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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 4.5.1998

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO DHMHTRH REPPA

Geia sas, kalo mhna kai kalh ebdomada.

* Gnwrizete oti egine h Synodos Koryfhs, stis Bryjelles to dihmero poy mas perase. Ta apotelesmata ths Synodoy sas einai gnwsta. Qa moy epitrecete na kanw mia poly syntomh anafora. Sto Symboylio Koryfhs, dyo einai ta stoixeia ta opoia ajizei na epishmanw: To prwto einai pws h poreia ths eyrwpaikhs enopoihshs qewreitai pleon ametaklhth, afoy oi hgetes twn xwrwn-melwn apofasisan na proxwrhsoyn se ayto to epomeno stadio eyrwpaikhs enopoihshs, me th dhmioyrgia ths Oikonomikhs kai Nomismatikhs Enwshs (ONE). To deytero shmeio, poy afora idiaitera th xwra mas, einai h anagnwrish twn apotelesmatwn poy exoyme petyxei me thn askoymenh politikh ta teleytaia xronia kai h enqarrynsh na synexisoyme, prokeimenoy me thn politikh mas na entaxqoyme, opws akribws exoyme stoxeysei, thn 1h Ianoyarioy toy 2001, ws plhres, isotimo melos sthn ONE. H prooptikh ayth, h opoia diagrafetai kai einai qetikh, dinei th bebaiothta oti qa epityxoyme na entaxqoyme thn 1 Ianoyarioy 2001 sthn ONE kai h bebaiothta ayth aporreei apo to oti h politikh poy akoloyqhsame exei dwsei karpoys, wste na krinetai apo oloys toys paragontes ws epityxhs politikh.

O Prwqypoyrgos qa enhmerwsei ayrio ton Proedro ths Dhmokratias. Thn Tetarth qa enhmerwsei toys politikoys arxhgoys. Kai thn Pempth qa paraxwrhsei synenteyjh Typoy, sto Zappeio Megaro.

* Qa moy epitrecete na anaferqw kai se ena allo qema. To Kypriako: Ekfrazoyme th lyph kai th dysareskeia mas, giati ejaitias ths adiallajias ths toyrkikhs pleyras, den yphrje proodos sto plaisio ths prwtoboylias toy k. Xolmproyk. Oi oroi poy eqese o k. Ntenktas gia thn epanenarjh twn synomiliwn einai, kata koinh omologia kai paradoxh, aparadektoi. Den einai dynaton na ginei syzhthsh kan epi twn orwn aytwn. H symmetoxh toy k. Ntenktas stis synomilies den proypoqetei oroys, apotelei ypoxrewsh toy, me bash kai tis apofaseis toy Organismoy Hnwmenwn Eqnwn. Pisteyoyme oti h prwtoboylia ayth qa synexistei, afoy bebaiws o dieqnhs paragontas bgalei ta katallhla symperasmata apo thn arnhtikh kai adiallakth stash poy threi h toyrkikh pleyra.

Qa anaferqw kai sthn protash poy ekane h Rwsia gia thn apostratikopoihsh ths nhsoy. H protash ayth apodeiknyei to endiaferon ths Rwsias gia thn idea ths apostratikopoihshs. Periexei stoixeia, ta opoia se arketes periptwseis exei anaptyjei o Proedros ths Kypriakhs Dhmokratias k. Klhridhs, oson afora thn epiqymia na prowqhqei h idea ths apostratikopoihshs sto nhsi.

Ayta se poly genikes grammes. Akoyw tis erwthseis.

LAKOPOYLOS: Exw dyo erwthseis: Gia to prwto qema poy qesate, se o,ti afora thn ONE, yparxei mia dhlwsh toy Proedroy ths Neas Dhmokratias k. Karamanlh, o opoios kat' oysia kathgorei thn Kybernhsh oti me tis energeies ths h xwra apwlese to pronomio ths isotimias poy eixe me thn entajh ths sthn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh. Qa hqela na to sxoliasete. Leei, dhladh, oti apo shmera den eimaste isotimo melos ths E.E.

REPPAS: Qa kanw mia genikoterh anafora sth stash toy k. Karamanlh. H Nea Dhmokratia stereitai politikhs, den exei strathgikh. O k. Karamanlhs, epeidh akribws gnwrizei oti einai adynato na epityxei to komma toy na apokthsei sygkekrimeno programma kai na proteinei sygkekrimenes idees kai qeseis gia ta megala problhmata poy apasxoloyn to lao kai th xwra, katafeygei se eykoles kathgories enantion ths Kybernhshs, prokeimenoy na dhmioyrghsei mia politikh polwsh kai na syspeirwsei to kommatiko akroathrio ths Neas Dhmokratias. Ayth einai mia genikh parathrhsh, thn opoia prepei na kanw, giati diapistwnw oti h stash ths Neas Dhmokratias, kai idiaiterws toy arxhgoy ths, einai mia stash kritikhs kata ths Kybernhshs, xwris omws sygkekrimeno periexomeno. Einai ewles kataggelies, oi opoies fanerwnoyn to endiaferon toy na prokalesei mia krish, mia ojynsh stis sxeseis Kybernhshs- Antipoliteyshs gia logoys profaneis, thn idia wra poy kalo qa htan, o idios na epidiwjei na aposafhnisei thn ideologikh kai politikh taytothta toy kommatos toy. Kai den to kanei. Oson afora to sygkekrimeno qema: Oxi mono h Ellada den sterhqhke pronomiwn me thn apofash ayth, h opoia elhfqh proxqes, alla isa-isa qa elega oti twra h Ellada, meta thn askoymenh politikh sth xwra mas, ta teleytaia xronia, apekthse to pronomio na diekdikei me ajiwseis kai na ginetai dekth h ajiwsh ths ayth, na entaxqei sthn ONE apo thn 1h Ianoyarioy toy 2001. Gnwrizete poia htan h katastash sthn opoia briskotan h xwra to 1993, otan kai pali to PASOK anelabe th diakybernhsh ths xwras. Yphrxe terastia apostash anamesa sta apotelesmata poy eixe epityxei h Kybernhsh ths Neas Dhmokratias kai toys stoxoys poy eixe h idia qesei, sto plaisio toy programmatos sygklishs poy eixe kataqesei molis ena xrono prin. Tote enas kalopistos kriths twn pragmatwn mporoyse na bgalei abiasta to symperasma oti to oneiro ths entajhs ths Elladas sthn ONE htan ena apiasto oneiro. Sta xronia poy akoloyqhsan, me thn politikh poy askoyme, katorqwsame na kalycoyme ayth th megalh apostash kai shmera na eimaste se apostash anapnohs apo tis alles xwres, oi opoies dikaiologhmena anagnwrizoyn ta apotelesmata ayths ths prospaqeias kai dexontai, analambanontas politikh desmeysh, mesw ths dhlwshs poy ekanan, oti h Ellada ston problepto xrono, thn 1.1.2001, qa einai melos ths ONE.

LAKOPOYLOS: An plhroi ta krithria qa einai melos. Ayto ennoeite;

REPPAS: Ma, einai bebaio oti qa plhroyme ta krithria, an synexisoyme sthn idia kateyqynsh poy exoyme epilejei. To oti akoloyqhsame ayth thn politikh mas efere sthn eyxaristh qesh shmera na eimaste toso konta, wste na entaxqoyme sthn ONE, se sxesh me th megalh apostash, h opoia mas xwrize apo tis alles xwres, liga xronia prin. Ayto to apotelesma, to xeiropiasto, to orato, to pragmatiko apotelesma, mporei kaqe kalopistos na to ajiologhsei kai na to krinei, xwris na xreiazetai, gia toso megalhs shmasias qemata, opws einai to sygkekrimeno, na katafeygoyme, gia logoys entypwsiasmoy h mikrokommatikhs skopimothtas, se eykoles kathgories kata ths Kybernhshs. Den dikaiologoyntai.

LAKOPOYLOS: Eipate oti ayto poy egine stis Bryjelles einai h anagnwrish twn apotelesmatwn kai ths politikhs poy askei h Kybernhsh, einai enqarrynsh ths politikhs ayths kai einai kai anagnwrish olwn aytwn poy eginan ews twra. Qelw na sas rwthsw, dedomenoy oti to etos krishs ths ellhnikhs oikonomias gia na entaxqei h na mhn entaxqei sthn ONE, den einai to 1997, basei toy opoioy eginan aytes oi qetikes epishmanseis, alla qa einai to 1999, ti allaje me thn katastash poy yphrxe pro toy Symboylioy, wste na dikaiologeitai aytos o enqoysiasmos poy diakrinei tis kybernhtikes antidraseis.

REPPAS: Moy dinete thn eykairia na pw oti h Kybernhsh oyte enqoysiasmenh einai, oyte qriambologei. Den panhgyrizoyme. Apla miloyme gia thn pragmatikothta poy exei diamorfwqei. Kai h pragmatikothta poy exei diamorfwqei epitrepei sthn Ellada thn aisiodojh prooptikh, ta epomena xronia, opws akribws exoyme qesei ws stoxo, na entaxqoyme sthn ONE. Den eimaste, dhladh, se apoklish apo to stoxo mas. Eimaste se proseggish, oson afora ayto to sygkekrimeno stoxo kai ayto einai mia para poly qetikh ejelijh. H Ellada qa kriqei to 2000, me bash ta apotelesmata poy qa exoyme petyxei, me thn politikh poy askoyme. Nomizw kai ayth einai h bebaiothta kai h pepoiqhsh poy exoyme oloi emeis, oti akoloyqwntas thn idia poreia poy mexri twra exoyme akoloyqhsei, qa exoyme petyxei toys stoxoys mas. Ayto einai poy dhmioyrgei thn aisiodojia, oti qa entaxqoyme sthn ONE. Kai bebaiws, ayto qa to epityxoyme me taktikes, politikes kai xeirismoys, oi opoioi qa diasfalizoyn taytoxronws thn koinwnikh synoxh, giati epiqymoyme olh h Ellada, oloi oi Ellhnes na entaxqoyn se ayth th megalh Enwsh, me koinwnikh eyaisqhsia kai allhleggyh, wste na antimetwpisoyme fainomena ta opoia se alles xwres pairnoyn ekrhktikes diastaseis, se baros twn politwn aytwn twn xwrwn. Milaw gia toys deiktes ths anergias, oi opoioi qa prepei na parameinoyn se epipeda anekta, prokeimenoy na mh qrymmatistei h koinwnikh enothta. Ayta einai qemata ta opoia mas apasxoloyn kai prepei na pw oti apo mas den xreiazetai na ekpempetai tonos qriambikos. Emeis prepei na miloyme me eyqynh, me sobarothta kai na doyleyoyme sth bash programmatos, prokeimenoy na epityxoyme aytoys toys stoxoys poy exoyn eqnikh shmasia. Ayto kanoyme.

LAKOPOYLOS: Parathrhsa, kyrie Ypoyrge, oti stis polles apanthseis poy dwsate den yparxei poyqena h diatypwsh oti h Ellada qa kriqei me ta idia krithria. Sas diefyge h pisteyete oti den qa isxysei ayto, opote gi' ayto den to anaferate;

REPPAS: Ayto qa isxysei. Kai einai aytonohto, wste na mh xreiazetai na to epanalambanoyme synexws. To eipan sthn politikh toys dhlwsh. Ayto, omws, htan kati poy to gnwrizame apo prin. Den apotelei politikh prostiqemenh ajia toso megalh. Asfalws, milhsame tis prohgoymenes hmeres gi' ayto kai eipame oti ta krithria, opws kai gia tis alles xwres, qa einai idia kai gia thn Ellada. Epanalambanw oti ayto einai aytonohto. To oti anaferetai se mia politikh dhlwsh, bebaiws exei thn ajia toy. Qewroyme omws oti einai kati poy prepei, me bash ta osa isxyoyn, na qewreitai dedomeno.

PARIS: Epeidh h pragmatikothta einai oti menoyme ap' ejw, h Kybernhsh toy k. Shmith memfetai prohgoymenes kybernhseis toy PASOK, dioti apo to 1981 poy anelabe h prwth kybernhsh toy PASOK, ektos apo tria xronia, ola ta ypoloipa htan kybernhseis toy PASOK. H politikh poy akoloyqeitai twra einai akribws antiqeth apo thn politikh poy akoloyqoysan oi prohgoymenes kybernhseis toy PASOK, dhladh tote megalo kratos, twra mikro kratos. Memfetai h Kybernhsh Shmith tis prohgoymenes kybernhseis PASOK;

REPPAS: Den memfetai h shmerinh Kybernhsh tis prohgoymenes kybernhseis toy PASOK. H shmerinh Kybernhsh epishmainei oti kaqe fora h askoymenh politikh prepei na syndeetai me tis epikratoyses synqhkes. Exoyme dyo stigmes poy mporei na pei kaneis oti apoteloyn kai oroshma: to 1981 otan to prwton anelabe th diakybernhsh toy topoy to PASOK, eprepe na antimetwpisei ena terastio dhmokratiko kai koinwniko elleimma poy yphrxe ston topo. H politikh, loipon, poy akoloyqhqhke, metajy twn allwn, eprepe na ikanopoihsei kai ayth thn eqnikh kai koinwnikh anagkh. Ena allo xroniko shmeio, oroshmo epishs politiko, einai oi kosmogonikes allages, oi opoies eginan ston planhth mas to 1989 kai to 1990. Oi synepeies aytwn twn ejelijewn edwsan mia nea wqhsh, mia megalyterh taxythta stis prwtoboylies tis opoies anelabe kai h Eyrwpaikh Enwsh. Ayto to opoio prepei na kanoyme shmera einai na synexisoyme, me thn politikh synepeia poy exoyme epideijei mexri twra, sto baqmo poy ayto einai anqrwpinws dynato, thn prospaqeia mas, wste na epityxoyme to stoxo mas gia thn entajh sthn ONE. Kai qa deite oti oi deiktes, oxi mono apo th statistikh, alla kai apo ta pragmatika stoixeia ths kaqhmerinhs zwhs, to 1993 otan anelabe kai pali to PASOK th diakybernhsh toy topoy, mono qlich kai apogohteysh mporoysan na dhmioyrghsoyn se ekeinoys toys analytes h toys melethtes, oi opoioi qa prospaqoysan na syndesoyn thn katastash ths Elladas tote, to 1993 me thn prooptikh ths gia entajh sthn ONE. Omws, shmera, dyo xronia meta tis teleytaies ekloges, ta pragmata einai para poly diaforetika. H prooptikh einai safhs gia thn entajh ths xwras. Synexizoyme, bebaiws, me thn idia synepeia thn politikh mas, pragma to opoio protiqemeqa na kanoyme, me th symbolh olwn twn koinwnikwn forewn kai bebaiws me th symparastash toy ellhnikoy laoy poy anagnwrizei th megalh eqnikh shmasia poy exei aytos o stoxos.

FILHS: Einai gnwsto oti to 1980 entaxqhke h xwra sthn EOK, kyriws me politikh diapragmateysh. Shmera, ti einai ekeino poy kata th gnwmh ths Kybernhshs, den epetrece mia analogh politikh diapragmateysh gia na entaxqei kai pali h xwra sto neo stadio poy einai to koino nomisma;

REPPAS: Kyrie Filh, qesate ena qema poy gia na apanthsw prepei na epanalabw ena meros ths apanthshs poy edwsa prin ston k. Paris. Shmera oi synqhkes einai poly diaforetikes. Kai bebaiws, h E. E. analambanei thn prwtoboylia na proxwrhsei s' ayth thn oikonomikh kai nomismatikh pleon enopoihsh ths hpeiroy mas, me bash ta nea dedomena poy exoyn prokycei ta teleytaia xronia, idiws meta thn katarreysh toy anatolikoy mplok. Emeis den epiqymoyme mesw politikwn diapragmateysewn na entaxqoyme se mia megalh oikogeneia, an oi deiktes ths oikonomias mas h oi paragwgikes dynatothtes mas ypoleipontai, giati h entajh ayth qa leitoyrgoyse telikws arnhtika gia th xwra mas. Emeis epiqymoyme na beltiwsoyme thn oikonomikh ikanothta ths xwras mas, se tetoio baqmo, wste h entajh mas kai malista sto plaisio toy antagwnismoy, to opoio shmera einai perissotero apo emfanes, se ayth th megalh Enwsh, na leitoyrghsei qetika gia thn Ellada. Qa prepei na exoyme xamhlo plhqwrismo, na mhn exoyme megala elleimmata, ta epitokia na kinoyntai se xamhla epipeda, prokeimenoy na exoyme kai emeis ajiwseis, se antagwnismo me tis alles xwres, na zhsoyme kalytera apo twra, prosferontas kalyteres synqhkes se oloys toys Ellhnes. An einai mesw mias politikhs diapragmateyshs, poy den einai dekth ws diadikasia, alla den einai kati poy to epiqymoyme ki emeis, na entaxqoyme se ena megalo sxhma oikonomikhs synergasias, xwris na exoyme proypoqeseis na epibiwsoyme kai na diekdikhsoyme mia jexwristh qesh, antilambaneste pws to egxeirhma ayto mporei telikws na apobei oleqrio gia thn prooptikh ths xwras mas. Kai den to epiqymoyme ayto.

FILHS: An den einai diapragmateysimo apo thn pleyra twn etairwn, einai mia antikeimenikh pragmatikothta. Katalabainw. Gia to "den to epiqymoyme" qa hqela na rwthsw to ejhs: Ma kai otan mpoyme, me to kalo, ean kai efoson kai otan mpoyme, h desmeysh poy exoyme analabei kai emeis kai ta alla krath einai na throyme ta krithria, ta opoia eprepe na ekplhrwsoyme gia na mpoyme sthn E.E., sto EYRW. Synepws, den yparxei qema na mhn prosarmostoyme sthn oikonomikh pragmatikothta. As mpoyme politika shmera kai as prosarmostoyme oikonomika ...

REPPAS: Ayto shmainei, k. Filh, an akoloyqoysame th dikh sas protash, ena akomh piqano endexomeno na tinajoyme ston aera thn koinwnikh synoxh, prokeimenoy na epitaxynoyme tis diadikasies, etsi wste na parameinoyme sto kaloymeno Symfwno Staqerothtas. Gnwrizete poly kala oti qema politikhs diapragmateyshs den eteqh, den to qetei kaneis, den to qetoyme oyte emeis, giati pisteyoyme oti den einai to stoixeio ayto poy mporei na apotelesei to krithrio gia thn entajh mas sthn ONE. Einai h beltiwsh se koinwniko kai oikonomiko epipedo ths qeshs ths xwras mas, prokeimenoy na entaxqoyme me isotimoys oroys se ayth th megalh Enwsh. Ayto epiqymoyme. Tetoio qema politikwn diapragmateysewn den exei qesei pantws kaneis. Kai den einai qema to opoio prepei emeis na to antimetwpisoyme, etsi opws blepw apo polles pleyres na proseggizetai, ws qema to opoio exei dhqen mono qetikes pleyres gia th xwra mas. Diafwnw apolytws.

FILHS: Thn idia apanthsh qa dwsete kai to 2001; Dhladh kai tote qa yparxoyn problhmata koinwnikhs synoxhs;

REPPAS: Ma, h politikh poy akoloyqoyme, politikh h opoia diakrinetai gia thn eyaisqhsia ths kai stoxeyei sto na diasfalisei thn koinwnikh synoxh, pisteyoyme oti qa mas odhghsei sto na beltiwnoyme toys deiktes, katorqwnontas taytoxrona, mesa apo thn koinwnikh ayth synoxh, oloi oi Ellhnes polites kai oloklhrh h Ellada, xwris kradasmoys, na entaxqoyme s' ayth th megalh oikonomikh synergasia. Ayto epidiwkoyme. Kai prepei na sas pw oti h entajh mas sthn ONE, einai mia kainoyrgia entajh sthn Eyrwph, h opoia throymenwn twn analogiwn, mporei na pei kaneis, oti ginetai me poly pio aysthroys oroys, se sxesh me thn entajh mas sthn tote EOK, to 1981. Giati ta krithria twra, basei twn opoiwn qa kriqeis, einai poly sygkekrimena kai oi oroi toys opoioys prepei na ikanopoihseis einai kai aytoi pleon prowqhmenoi.

FILHS: Plhroforiaka qelw na rwthsw. Me bash to programma sygklishs poy qa katateqei ek meroys ths Elladas sthn E.E., an exoyme kapoio xronodiagramma kai an prokeitai na jekinhsei to ameso diasthma h diadikasia pwlhshs ths Ionikhs Trapezas;

REPPAS: Oson afora to deytero qema, gnwrizete oti mas apasxolei. Einai qema gia to opoio to oikonomiko epiteleio ths Kybernhshs epejergazetai qeseis, prokeimenoy na oloklhrwqei ayth h diadikasia kata ton ena h ton allo tropo. Syntoma qa laboyme tis apofaseis mas kai qa tis anakoinwsoyme. Oson afora to prwto qema, prepei na pw oti oles oi xwres kai oxi mono h Ellada, me bash ta nea oikonomika dedomena poy exoyn prokycei, probainoyn se prosarmoges, se epikairopoihsh twn programmatwn toys. To idio qa kanoyme ki emeis, idiaiterws epeidh eixame thn teleytaia periodo mia anaprosarmogh ths isotimias toy nomismatos mas. Nomizw oti sto telos toy trexontos mhnos h to argotero stis arxes Ioynioy, qa eimaste etoimoi na kataqesoyme ayto to neo keimeno poy den qa einai tipota allo, para to keimeno sygklishs poy sas einai gnwsto, prosarmosmeno stis nees synqhkes.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, ti ekane ton k. Shmith, meta apo tosa xronia poy einai Prwqypoyrgos, na synanthqei me toys politikoys arxhgoys;

REPPAS: Gnwrizete oti exei synanthqei kai alles fores me toys politikoys arxhgoys o k. Shmiths. O Prwqypoyrgos, meta apo ayth thn ejelijh sthn ONE, qewrhse kaqhkon toy na enhmerwsei toys politikoys arxhgoys, me dikh toy prwtoboylia.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Me oloys toys politikoys arxhgoys exei synanthqei sto parelqon;

REPPAS: Exei synanthqei me oloys toys politikoys arxhgoys.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Sto parelqon;

REPPAS: Bebaiws. Me ton k. Ebert, otan htan Proedros ths Neas Dhmokratias, eixe synanthqei.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kai qelw akomh na moy peite, h Ellada diathrei to dikaiwma toy beto pleon sthn E.E.;

REPPAS: Oson afora tis politikes diadikasies ths E.E., tipota den allazei. Oson afora thn ONE, o tropos leitoyrgias ths problepetai apo tis apofaseis poy exoyn lhfqei. Den exei sxesh to ena me to allo.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Opote, apodesmeyetai, dhladh, to xrhmatodotiko prwtokollo, pleon. Den exoyme dikaiwma beto sto EKOFIN

REPPAS: Gnwrizete poly kala oti ta qemata ths ONE antimetwpizontai sto plaisio twn Ypoyrgwn Oikonomikwn. Einai apofaseis tis opoies exei labei to legomeno EKOFIN. Ta qemata sta opoia anafereste, aforoyn politikes diadikasies. Lambanontai sto Symboylio Genikwn Ypoqesewn poy symmetexoyn oi Ypoyrgoi Ejwterikwn twn xwrwn-melwn. Den exei kamia sxesh to ena me to allo. H qesh mas paramenei h idia gia to sygkekrimeno qema. Den allazei tipota kai qa parameinei tetoia mexris otoy ekplhrwqoyn oi oroi poy exoyme qesei, giati oi oroi poy proteinoyme einai poly logikoi kai repei na ginoyn dektoi.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Lete oti h prooptikh einai qetikh kai apo oloys toys paragontes einai apodekth. Poioi einai oi paragontes poy paradexontai; Ennoeite eswterikoys h ejwterikoys paragontes;

REPPAS: Ennow to dieqnh paragonta, ennow tis xwres ths E.E. poy exoyn bebaiws to diko toys logo na krinoyn thn poreia ths xwras mas s' ayth thn kateyqynsh. Kai bebaiws, kai sto eswteriko ths xwras, nomizw oti oi koinwnikoi foreis, alla kai oi Ellhnes polites epiqymoyn, sto syntriptika megalo pososto toys, thn entajh ths xwras sthn ONE. Den nomizw oti yparxei antiqeth apoch s' ayto to stoxo.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Dioti oi arxhgoi twn kommatwn einai oloi antiqetoi m' ayto to opoio egine stis Bryjelles.

REPPAS: Den nomizw oti einai antiqetoi sthn entajh ths xwras sthn ONE. Apla oi arxhgoi twn kommatwn, kata kaqhkon antipoliteytiko, den lene to qetiko logo gi' ayth thn ejelijh, logo o opoios prepei na doqei ayth thn wra sthn Kybernhsh, na pistwqei ayth h ejelijh sta qetika toy kybernhtikoy ergoy.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Den to katalabainei kanenas;

REPPAS: Den qa krinw egw toys politikoys arxhgoys, oson afora thn eyfyia toys, epeidh qesate eseis qema, an to katalabainoyn h oxi. Egw qa krinw tis politikes qeseis toys. Kai qa pw oti sto sygkekrimeno qema eixan kaqe logo na kanoyn mia qetikh anafora s' ayth thn ejelijh kai den thn kanoyn. Einai qema dikh toys eyqynhs. O ellhnikos laos mas krinei oloys.

KARASABBA: Qa hqela na rwthsw, an h ellhnikh Kybernhsh einai ikanopoihmenh ki an pisteyei oti eynoeitai apo to programma proseggishs ths, apo thn topoqethsh toy k. Ntoyizmpergker ws epikefalhs ths Eyrwpaikhs Kentrikhs Trapezas se sxesh me to Gallo ton k. Trise. Kai deyteron, an exete kapoio sxolio gia to oti to RKK, pleon, anoigei epishma grafeia edw, sthn Ellada. Eyxaristw.

REPPAS: Oson afora to prwto qema, den ephreazetai h poreia ths xwras mas pros thn ONE apo thn topoqethsh toy enos h toy alloy, ws epikefalhs ths Eyrwpaikhs Kentrikhs Trapezas. Einai ena qema to opoio apofasisthke. Den exei kamia epiptwsh sthn poreia thn opoia prepei na akoloyqhsoyme. Oson afora to deytero qema, gnwrizete poly kala oti sthn Ellada, opws kai se alles xwres ths E.E. leitoyrgoyn grafeia politikwn Koyrdikwn organwsewn poy parexoyn prostasia stoys prosfyges. Allwste, h Symbash ths Geneyhs problepei dikaiwmata gia toys prosfyges se oles tis xwres. H Ellada einai mia xwra sthn opoia yparxei dhmokratia. Kaqenas leei eleyqera tis apoceis toy. Alla h Ellada, epeidh akribws einai xwra dhmokratikh kai den epitrepei se opoiondhpote na anaptyssei drasthriothta, h opoia, metajy twn allwn, periexei stoixeia bias h tromokratias. Poly perissotero, otan strefetai enantion kybernhsewn allwn xwrwn. Ayto den einai paradekto. Den epitrepetai kai den prokeitai na ginei.

KARASABBA: Kyrie Reppa, den milhsa gia grafeia ERNK. Milhsa gia grafeia RKK.

REPPAS: Sas eipa oti ayto den einai paradekto. Kai den epitrepetai sthn Ellada h leitoyrgia grafeiwn organwsewn poy strefontai enantion allwn kybernhsewn h anaptyssoyn drasthriothtes, oi opoies periexoyn stoixeia bias kai tromokratias.

KARASABBA: Mia epejhghsh: Ti qa kanete, dhladh; Ti qa kanei h ellhnikh Kybernhsh;

REPPAS: H politikh mas einai safhs, ka Karasabba. Qa kanoyme kai sto mellon ayto poy kanoyme mexri twra. Qa perifroyrhsoyme th dhmokratia mas poy qewroyme oti einai meizon agaqo gia ton topo, gia th xwra mas, gia ton ellhniko lao. Alla na thn perifroyrhsoyme apo oloys ekeinoys oi opoioi me th drasthriothta toys, oysiastika thn yponomeyoyn. Me ayth thn ennoia, einai poly safhs h politikh thn opoia qa akoloyqhsoyme, giati einai gnwsth h politikh poy exoyme akoloyqhsei mexri twra sta qemata ayta.

KARASABBA: Qa apagoreysete ta grafeia; 'H mallon na qewrhsw apo thn politikh thn opoia exei epixeirhsei h Kybernhsh s' ayta ta qemata, qa epitrecei teleiws eleyqera na anoijoyn ayta ta grafeia, entos oligoy;

REPPAS: H Ellada einai mia xwra poy sebetai ta anqrwpina dikaiwmata. Kaqenas qa brei stegh s' ayto ton topo, efoson kineitai symfwna me to Syntagma kai toys nomoys. S' ayto ton topo, omws, den mporei na drasthriopoieitai opoiosdhpote meterxetai mesa bias h tromokratias, strefomenos malista enantion allwn Kybernhsewn. H qesh mas einai para poly safhs. Kai eimai kathgorhmatikos s' ayto to opoio lew. Kai makari, ta anqrwpina dikaiwmata opws ginontai sebasta apo thn Ellada, na ginontai sebasta kai se olo ton kosmo. Kai se alles xwres, geitonikes, oi opoies oxi mono den ta sebontai, alla ta katastrathgoyn. Kai se teleytaia analysh, askoyn mia politikh tromokratwntas aytoys poy polles fores qewroyn tromokrates.

KARASABBA: Exei teqei qema apo tis Hnwmenes Politeies;

REPPAS: Kanena qema den exei teqei.

KARASABBA: Kapoia piesh pros thn ellhnikh Kybernhsh;

REPPAS: Kamia piesh. H ellhnikh Kybernhsh akoloyqei thn politikh poy krinei oti einai symferoysa gia th xwra mas.

BITSENTZOY: Qa hqela na rwthsw, giati den exw katalabei apo thn apanthsh sas, qa to kleisete ayto to grafeio;

REPPAS: Einai poly safhs h apanthsh poy edwsa, ka Betsentzoy.

BITSENTZOY: Qewreite to RKK tromokratikh organwsh; Giati h Toyrkia leei oti strefetai enantion toy toyrkikoy kratoys.

REPPAS: Ka Bitsentzoy einai poly safhs h apanthsh poy edwsa kai perigrafei me apolyth safhneia thn politikh poy exei akoloyqhsei mexri twra h Kybernhsh sta qemata ayta. H politikh ayth den allazei. Ayto einai safes.

KARASABBA: Qa kleisei h ellhnikh Kybernhsh...

REPPAS: Giati na kanoyme aytes tis ypoqeseis; Gnwrizete oti yparxoyn kapoia sygkekrimena grafeia; Gnwrizete oti exoyn ginei dhlwseis. Sas eipa poia einai h politikh mas. Qa deite otan prepei kai klhqoyme sthn prajh na paroyme kapoia metra, poia metra qa paroyme. Tetoio qema den exei prokycei twra.

KARASABBA: Exei bgei dhlwsh.

REPPAS: Den exei prokycei tetoio qema twra.

KARASABBA: Exei bgei dhlwsh kai leei oti pleon ta grafeia, edw...

REPPAS: Poy einai ayta ta grafeia; Gnwrizete;

KARASABBA: Bebaiws.

REPPAS: Poy einai;

KARASABBA: Sthn odo Basilisshs Sofias 54.

REPPAS: Exete ypoch sas kapoia drasthriothta na anaptyssetai, loipon, me bash ayta ta grafeia, h opoia dhmioyrgei problhmata.

KARASABBA: Ayto einai to epishmo grafeio toy ERNK, to opoio pleon twra qa ginei RKK.

REPPAS: "Qa ginei" lete. Ara, den einai twra. Giati, loipon, mas kaleite...

KARASABBA: To lene apo thn Agkyra.

REPPAS: Wraia, to lene apo thn Agkyra. Eseis pisteyete, fainetai, poly perissotero ayta poy lene sthn Agkyra, apo ayta poy sas lew egw. Otan, loipon, prokycei qema, tote qa paroyme sygkekrimena metra. Yparxei qema twra epi toy opoioy me kaleite na parw qesh; To qema epi toy opoioy me kaleite na parw qesh, einai h politikh poy akoloyqoyme. Sas eipa poia einai h politikh poy akoloyqoyme. Kai ayto prepei na einai safes.

KARASABBA: Parakalw, na to anakalesete ayto.

REPPAS: Poio ap' ola;

KARASABBA: Yparxei ekproswpos toy RKK poy leei oti epishmws pleon qa anoijoyn grafeia edw.

REPPAS: Sas eipa, loipon, poia einai ta metra ta opoia qa laboyme, otan anaptyssontai drasthriothtes sthn Ellada, oi opoies den einai synnomes. Kai to plaisio ths politikhs poy akoloyqoyme, to anefera prin, me apolyth safhneia kai leptomereia.

SOYRMELH: M' ayta poy lete, katalabainw oti otan sas teqei h anagkh leitoyrgias grafeiwn toy RKK, qa arnhqei h Ellada. Den qa epitrecei th leitoyrgia toy. Ayto einai; Kala katalaba; 'H den to katalaba kala;

REPPAS: Edwsa apanthseis kai htan safeis. As mh meinoyme s' ayto to qema kai as mhn kanoyme ypoqeseis. Eipate an teqei, ti qa kanei h Ellada. Sas eipa poia einai h politikh mas. Me bash ayth thn politikh, qa antimetwpisoyme ola ta qemata kai to sygkekrimeno.

BTSENTZOY: Ejakoloyqw na mhn katalabainw ti lete. Syggnwmh, otan anaptyssoyn drash tromokratikh sthn Ellada kapoies jenes organwseis h se alles xwres poy egkaloyn aytoys toys anqrwpoys gia tromokrates;

REPPAS: Ma, hmoyn para poly safhs. Eipa oti sthn Ellada den mporoyn na leitoyrgoyn organwseis, mhxanismoi h swmateia, sth drasthriothta twn opoiwn, metajy twn allwn, diakrinei kaneis stoixeia bias kai tromokratias. Hmoyn poly safhs. Einai dynato na yparxei gi' ayto to qema opoiadhpote paranohsh; Milhsa para poly kai me pollh leptomereia, qa elega.

FILIPPAKOPOYLOS: Se poies organwseis anafereste;

REPPAS: Se opoiadhpote organwsh ths opoias o eaytos mporei na kaqreptizetai s' ayta ta opoia eipa.

KARASABBA: Kyrie Reppa, h ellhnikh Kybernhsh qewrei to RKK tromokratikh organwsh;

REPPAS: To RKK einai mia organwsh h opoia anaptyssei drasthriothta ekei opoy exei thn edra kai ekei opoy exei organwseis. Gnwrizw oti yparxoyn politikes organwseis poy droyn se diafores xwres ths Eyrwphs kai sthn Ellada. Oi politikes organwseis twn Koyrdwn synexizoyn na leitoyrgoyn.

KARASABBA: Den zhthsa...

REPPAS: To RKK, gnwrizete poly kala, ti akribws stoixeia politikhs exei. Kai gnwrizete para poly kala, poia einai h qesh poy exoyme, oson afora to Koyrdiko zhthma. Gnwrizete poly kala poia einai h qesh ths Kybernhshs. An qelete na thn epanalabw, an den th qymaste.

KANELLAKHS: Ep' aytoy k. Ypoyrge.

REPPAS: Apanthsa ep' aytoy. Ep' aytoy den qa epanelqoyme shmera. H apanthsh moy htan safhs. Qa epanelqoyme ayrio an qelete. Afhste kai kati gia tis epomenes meres.

FILHS: O Prwqypoyrgos exei dhlwsei oti yphrje bombisths kata th diarkeia ths diktatorias. H dhlwsh poy kanate twra ws ekproswpos toy Prwqypoyrgoy, oti h Kybernhsh den dexetai na dra sthn Ellada organwsh poy me bia h tromokratia antitiqetai se allh Kybernhsh h allo kaqestws, einai genikoy typoy diakhryjh;

REPPAS: Ma, milhsa prin. Edwsa apanthsh. Htan safes. Einai dynato na epitrecoyme na leitoyrgoyn sthn Ellada organwseis poy anaptyssoyn me bia kai tromokratia th drasthriothta toys; Sthn Ellada h bia kai h tromokratia katadikazontai. Oi prajeis aytes den einai synnomes kai den einai dynaton opoios anaptyssei tetoies drasthriothtes na brei stegh sthn Ellada.

FILHS: Ean fygoyme apo to xwro toy RKK, h dhlwsh ayth poy kanete einai genikh;

REPPAS: Einai dhlwsh genikh kai doqhke ...

FILHS: Sosialistikhs Kybernhshs kai enos Prwqypoyrgoy poy exei dhlwsei eyqarsws oti yphrje bombisths, gia na rijei th xoynta. Erwtw, einai qesh ths Kybernhshs, genikh -kai afhnoyme to RKK apejw- oti den prokeitai na periqalcei, oti den prokeitai na dwsei kamia bohqeia se opoiadhpote omada politwn apo allh xwra, poy me biaio tropo...

REPPAS: Poy anaptyssei drasthriothtes paranomes sthn Ellada, nai.

FILHS: Einai paranomh drasthriothta...

REPPAS: Bebaiws.

FILHS: ...o enoplos agwnas enantion enos...

REPPAS: "Enoplos agwnas sthn Ellada";

FILHS: H Organwsh Prwtoboyliwn gia thn enisxysh tetoioy agwna einai paranomh drasthriothta;

REPPAS: Opoiadhpote prajh ekdhlwnetai sthn Ellada kai periexei stoixeia bias kai tromokratias, den einai dynato na ginei paradekth. Den epitrepetai. Einai paranomh drasthriothta kai qa antimetwpistei analogws me bash to Syntagma kai toys nomoys toy kratoys. Ayto prepei na einai safes.

FILHS: Den skeptontai, dhladh, oi Sosialdhmokrates poy o makariths Andreas Papandreoy ( den akoygetai) enoploy agwna sthn Ellada;

REPPAS: Kyrie Filh, eseis exete isws mia allh politikh apoch, isws proxwreite se synergasia me oloys ekeinoys oi opoioi qeloyn na feroyn ayto to apotelesma, kai epimenoyn ta oramata toys na ta kanoyn prajh me tetoies diadikasies.

FILHS: Qelw na katalabw to neo PASOK.

REPPAS: Emeis, epeidh pisteyoyme oti prepei na yparxei filia, staqerothta, allhleggyh, synergasia metajy olwn, pisteyoyme sthn anagkh toy politikoy dialogoy kai ths synennohshs, prokeimenoy na antimetwpisoyme ta problhmata poy apasxoloyn toys laoys kai tis xwres.

FILHS: Me fasistikes Kybernhseis;

REPPAS: Poia einai h fasistikh Kybernhsh sthn opoia anafereste;

FILHS: Lew, genika milaw...

REPPAS: Sas lew, loipon, oti emeis prokrinoyme -antiqeta me o,ti fainetai eseis epiqymeite- ton politiko dialogo ws meso synennohshs kai epilyshs twn qematwn, ta opoia apasxoloyn shmera ta krath kai toys laoys.

FILHS: Aplws, yposhmeiwnw oti o bombisths Prwqypoyrgos dia toy ekproswpoy toy apokhryssei aytes tis energeies.

REPPAS: Kyrie Filh, einai poly ayqaireto to symperasma poy bgazete kai kanete ena logiko alma, opws antilambaneste.

FILHS: Allajane oi epoxes.

REPPAS: Den allajane oi epoxes, para to oti bebaiws prepei panta na throyntai oi politikes kai istorikes analogies. Ayto to opoio prepei na meinei -ki ayto egw yposhmeiwnw ws deytero shmeio, mia kai qelete na kanoyme yposhmeiwseis- einai toyto: oti h Ellada einai xwra ths E.E. Einai xwra poy prwtagwnistei gia thn asfaleia, thn eirhnh kai th staqerothta sta Balkania. Einai xwra h opoia analambanei prwtoboylies, prokeimenoy na bohqhsei th synennohsh kai thn politikh synergasia metajy xwrwn kai lawn poy den exoyn tis kalyteres sxeseis shmera. Ayto, allwste, htan kai to qema ths Diabalkanikhs Diaskechs poy organwsame, prin apo ena xrono sthn Krhth. Apo ekei kai pera, yparxei Syntagma, yparxoyn nomoi s' ayth th dhmokratia, thn ellhnikh, oi opoioi prepei na ginontai apolyta sebastoi.

FILHS: Milhsate sygkekrimena gia to RKK...

REPPAS: Milhsa gia ola.

KANELLAKHS: Sth Notioanatolikh Toyrkia oi sfages se baros toy amaxoy plhqysmoy toy Koyrdistan synexizontai apo ta toyrkika strateymata. Ti ginetai me tis dieqneis organwseis : to NATO , ton OHE , thn Kybernhsh sas;

REPPAS: Exw milhsei kat' epanalhch gia to oti ta anqrwpina dikaiwmata den ginontai sebasta sthn Toyrkia. Den yparxei politikh eleyqeria. Kai exoyme pei gia to sygkekrimeno qema, qa prepei na epidiwxqei h ajiopoihsh twn politikwn diadikasiwn prokeimenoy na breqei lysh sto problhma. Ayto to exei pei se oloys toys tonoys h Dieqnhs Koinothta, den ginetai sebasto apo thn Toyrkia. Epiteloys qa prepei na ginei kai ekei mia prospaqeia, wste to xronio ayto problhma na antimetwpistei.

KACAMPELHS: Se synexeia aytwn poy rwthse o k. Filhs, mhpws h Kybernhsh ektima oti hrqe o kairos na apofylakisei kai toys prwtaitioys toy Prajikophmatos toy '67;

REPPAS: Den katalabainw pia sxesh exei to ena me to allo. Katalabainw ton eirwniko tono poy exei h erwthsh sas. Ayto to opoio prepei na pw einai oti, xarh se ayth thn Kybernhsh exoyme qesmoys poy exoyn sterea qemelia, wste shmera na apolambanoyme oloi ta agaqa ths Dhmokratias. Einai mia emmesh apanthsh h erwthsh sas, s' ayta poy eqese prin o k. Filhs gia to 1981 kai erxetai se apolyth symfwnia me ayto poy eipa kai egw prin: Oti yphrxe terastio dhmokratiko elleimma to '81. Kai ftasame tosa xronia meta, me thn politikh poy askhsan kyria oi kybernhseis toy PASOK, th qesmikh politikh toys, tis metarryqmistikes allages, na exoyme empedwsei th dhmokratia ston topo mas kai na apolambanoyme ta agaqa ayths ths dhmokratias. Ayth einai h megalh allagh. Einai h prosfora toy PASOK ston topo kai ston ellhniko lao.

ELENOPOYLOS: Dhladh otan to dhmokratiko elleimma den mas afora, den mas anhsyxei kai otan eggizei th dikh mas porta, tote monon prepei na anhsyxoyme.

REPPAS: Prepei na ginontai sebastoi oi nomoi kai to Syntagma mias xwras. Kai sto plaisio ayto, me bash ta dikaiwmata ta opoia exoyn oi prosfyges, eimaste apolytoi enarmonismenoi. H Symbash ths Geneyhs einai poly sygkekrimenh kai leptomerhs. Parakalw na meinoyme s' aytes tis dieqneis symbaseis, tis opoies prepei na throyme se oles tis periptwseis kai oxi merolhptika.

ELENOPOYLOS: H ellhnikh Kybernhsh giati den bohqa ton koyrdiko lao na apokthsei politikes eleyqeries;

REPPAS: H ellhnikh Kybernhsh exei dhlwsei safws th qesh ths kai symmetexei se oles ekeines tis dieqneis diadikasies oi opoies stoxeyoyn sto na yparjei politikh antimetwpish toy sygkekrimenoy problhmatos kai opoioydhpote alloy. Dioti mas endiaferei na dieyqethqoyn ta problhmata poy yparxoyn mesa apo synennohsh kai dialogo, wste na pacoyn na yparxoyn sto xwro mas kai idiaiterws sthn perioxh mas, oi esties ths entashs. Ayto einai gnwsto.

ELENOPOYLOS: To monadiko dialogo poy askei h Agkyra einai ta strateymata poy stelnei.

REPPAS: Den qa meinoyme ayth thn wra -giati ayto to qema qetete- sto na krinoyme ti kanei h Agkyra sto dialogo poy exei h den exei me toys Koyrdoys. H qesh mas jerete poia einai. Exoyme kaythriasei th stash ths Agkyras. Kai den to exoyme kanei mono emeis, opote qa mporoyse kapoios na ypoqesei oti to kanoyme gia alloys logoys. To exoyme kanei me thn idia fwnh kai ston idio tono poy to kanei h Dieqnhs Koinothta, h opoia kalei thn Toyrkia na proxwrhsei se mia politikh antimetwpish toy zhthmatos. H Toyrkia den prattei ayto to opoio ths ypagoreyei h dieqnhs ennomh tajh, ayto to opoio leei o dieqnhs paragwn. Emeis, loipon, eimaste sth swsth kai orqh qesh. Kai h stash ayth ths Toyrkias mporei na elegxqei apo oloys ekeinoys oi opoioi exoyn endiaferon kai deixnoyn analogh eyaisqhsia gia alla qemata, wste oi tetoioy eidoys ekkremothtes na pacoyn na yparxoyn.

ELENOPOYLOS: Syggnwmh, exw to logo.

REPPAS: Parakalw poly, teleiwse ayto to qema. Apanthsa se ola ta sxetika qemata.

ELENOPOYLOS: Me sygxwreite, einai poly sobaro qema h sfagh twn Koyrdwn.

REPPAS: Asfalws einai poly sobaro qema to na meterxetai tetoia mesa ena kratos wste na antimetwpisei ena problhma sto eswteriko toy. Kai gnwrizete poies einai oi qeseis poy exei parei h Dieqnhs Koinothta kai gi' ayto to qema.

BITALHS: H ellhnikh Kybernhsh, kyrie Ekproswpe, qa qesei ek neoy to qema twn politikwn eleyqeriwn sthn Toyrkia, ths prostasias twn anqrwpinwn dikaiwmatwn sthn Toyrkia, alla kai tis synexizomenes sfages toy koyrdikoy plhqysmoy pros thn E.E. kai se alloys dieqneis organismoys;

REPPAS: Ayto to qema exei teqei kat' epanalhch sthn E. E. Mporw na pw oti oi qeseis tis opoies exei h E. E. apoteloyn ena eidos koinotikoy kekthmenoy. Gnwrizete oti kat' epanalhch, exei egkalesei kai egkalei synexws thn Toyrkia gia thn adynamia ths na antapokriqei stis pagies arxes sebasmoy twn anqrwpinwn dikaiwmatwn kai twn politikwn eleyqeriwn. H E.E., se oloys toys tonoys kai polles fores, exei anaferqei s' aytes tis elleiceis, paralhceis adynamies oi opoies yparxoyn sto eswteriko ths Toyrkias.

LAKOPOYLOS: To krithrio basei toy opoioy h Kybernhsh katadikazei mia organwsh ws diaprattoysa prajeis bias , einai an aytes oi prajeis diaprattontai epi ellhnikoy edafoys h an diaprattontai opoydhpote ston kosmo;

REPPAS: Genikws eimaste enantion ths askhshs bias, prokeimenoy na epityxei kapoios politikoys stoxoys. Qewroyme oti mesa apo to dialogo kai th synennohsh prepei na epidiwkontai oi lyseis sta politika problhmata poy yparxoyn. Kai nomizw oti h leitoyrgia twn qesmwn sthn Ellada einai tetoia poy den qa prepei na amayrwqei h na trwqei apo drasthriothtes oi opoies antibainoyn ayto to dhmokratiko kekthmeno to opoio exoyme, poy einai h leitoyrgia twn qesmwn.

KARASABBA: Diaceydete, dhladh, epishmws thn anakoinwsh toy Ypoyrgeioy Ejwterikwn ths Toyrkias oti to R.K.K. exei thn plhrh yposthrijh ths ellhnikhs Kybernhsews na anoijei grafeia sthn Aqhna.

REPPAS: Apanthsa s' ayto proxqes kai hmoyn para poly safhs. Epanhlqa shmera me perissoteres leptomereies kai nomizw h politikh mas s' ayto to qema einai gnwsth . Giati einai politikh poy exei askhqei. Den prokeitai gia kainoyrgia politikh. Einai mia politikh poy akoloyqoyme edw kai para poly kairo.

PARIS: Sto neo prosarmosmeno programma sygklishs to opoio qa efarmostei telos Maioy arxes Ioynioy, yparxoyn kapoies allages sta basika megeqh, opws o plhqwrismos , to dhmosio xreos h kati allo kai an nai , poies;

REPPAS: Prwta ap' ola den einai orqo na anakoinwsw egw ayto poy kaleite programma sygklishs, twra, prin doqei sth dhmosiothta apo tis armodies yphresies.

PARIS: Epeidh eipate...

REPPAS: Apla eipa kai epanalambanw oti eixame mia allagh poy metajy twn allwn, exei sxesh me thn prosarmogh ths isotimias toy nomismatos mas. Gnwrizete poies synepeies exei, idiws ston plhqwrismo h sta epitokia h prosarmogh ayth. Qa prepei, loipon, na lhfqoyn ypoch aytes oi allages. Kai, bebaiws, oi synqhkes poy exoyn dhmioyrghqei mas epitrepoyn na proxwrhsoyme sth diatypwsh aytoy toy keimenoy lambanontas ypoch ta nea dedomena. Qa elega, omws, oti den eimaste makria apo toys stoxoys poy eixame ejaggeilei apo thn arxh. Oi stoxoi aytoi paramenoyn ws oi basikoi stoxoi mas. S' ayth thn kateyqynsh kinoymaste. Apla lambanoyme ypoch mas aytes tis allages.

PARIS: Prin apo ena-enamish mhna, moy eixate pei oti to programma ejygianshs ths O.A. qa leitoyrghsei ws pilotos gia tis ypoloipes DEKO.

REPPAS: Pote den eipa tetoio pragma. Pote. Isa-isa exw pei oti h O.A. apotelei mia eidikh periptwsh...

PARIS: Apanthsate se emena ke Ypoyrge...

REPPAS: Sas eipa kat' epanalhch - kai parakalw na meinete s' ayta poy eipa- oti h O.A. apotelei mia eidikh periptwsh, akoloyqeitai mia idiaiterh diadikasia. Ayto eipa kai einai katagegrammeno.

PARIS: Emmenei h Kybernhsh en pash periptwsei sthn akoloyqoymenh diadikasia giati shmera yparxei kapoio sxolio toy k. Pagkaloy to opoio leei oti kanenas logikos anqrwpos den mporei na petajei me thn O.A. Ti ginetai, qa kleisei; Rwtw giati erxetai kai h toyristikh "sezon" ...

REPPAS: Antilambanomai thn anhsyxia sas kai thn agwnia sas gia thn tyxh ths Olympiakhs kai sas lew oti pragmati yparxoyn problhmata. Ayto to diasthma, ayto to mhna prosarmoghs poy efarmozetai to programma me bash to Nomo o opoios prosfata chfisthke, exoyn ekdhlwqei diafora fainomena , eite ayto exei sxesh me tis apergiakes kinhtopoihseis eite ayto exei sxesh me tis leitoyrgias ths epixeirhshs. Qa prepei na ta antimetwpisoyme kai ayta, wste to syntomotero dynato na einai kai pali ajiopisth h O.A. Ayth thn periodo kinoymeqa sto plaisio efarmoghs toy Nomoy poy chfisame prosfata. Den allazei tipota ws pros ayto.

PARIS: To oti yparxoyn problhmata einai mia monimh katastash. Den einai kati to opoio paroysiasthke meta thn chfish toy Nomoy.

REPPAS: To epishmainw epeidh akribws ekdhlwnontai dysleitoyrgies kai problhmata meta thn chfish toy Nomoy. Giati o Nomos aytos prepei na efarmosqei , h metafora toy keimenoy sthn prajh synanta dyskolies. Eimaste s' ayth thn periodo prosarmoghs kai pisteyoyme oti telika ta apotelesmata qa einai qetika. Alla ayto menei na fanei, na apodeixqei sthn prajh.

PARIS: O k. Papantwnioy se mia prosfath synenteyjh toy eipe oti h Kybernhsh qa perimenei kapoioys mhnes, alla einai apaisiodojh gia to programma ejygianshs ths O.A. kai oti apo ekei kai pera qa leitoyrghsoyn oi oroi ths agoras. Qa hqela na rwthsw poioi einai oi oroi ths agoras epeidh polla akoygontai gia strathgiko ependyth kai anarwtiemai poios strathgikos ependyths qa hqele thn O.A. twra;

REPPAS: Einai poly logikos o problhmatismos sas. Eipame, loipon, oti yparxei se ejelijh h efarmogh toy programmatos poy problepetai apo to Nomo poy chfisame. Den allazei h politikh mas gia to sygkekrimeno qema oyte kata keraia. Paramenoyme staqeroi s' ayto to plaisio to opoio apofasisame me ton prosfato Nomo. Den allazei tipota s' ayto to shmeio. Otan erqei h wra na kanoyme "tameio" kai na doyme ta apotelesmata, isws bebaia klhqoyme na paroyme kapoies apofaseis. Alla ayto einai ena stoixhma to opoio prepei na kerdisoyme twra. To stoixhma ths omalhs leitoyrgias ths O.A., ths anakamchs kai ths epanakthshs ths ajiopistias poy prepei na exei o eqnikos aerometaforeas. Twra prepei na kerdisoyme ayto to stoixhma. Kai ayth thn prospaqeia kanoyme twra en mesw para pollwn dyskoliwn. To anagnwrizw ayto, alla den prepei na paraithqoyme apo ayth thn prospaqeia. Antiqetws.

ELENOPOYLOS: O Proedros ths O.A. apo oti maqame petyxe mia symfwnia me toys xeiristes, h opoia otan hrqe sto D.S. ths epixeirhshs prokeimenoy na egkriqei, katachfisthke apo toys 4 symboyloys poy exei diorisei to Yp. Metaforwn . Qa hqela, loipon, na gnwrizw ean ayth h stash twn sygkekrimenwn symboylwn toy Yp. Metaforwn erxetai se antiqesh h oxi me thn omalh ejelijh ths leitoyrgia ths etaireias.

REPPAS: Prepei na sas pw oti h Dioikhsh ths O.A. xeirizetai ta qemata sto plaisio mias sxetikhs aytonomias poy exei . To D.S. einai to armodio organo na pairnei apofaseis kai ta melh toy D.S. enos dhmosioy organismoy, opws einai kai h O.A., exoyn se megalo baqmo proswpikh kai leitoyrgikh aytonomia. Ayto den prepei na parablepetai.

FILHS: Exoyme mia dhlwsh, xqes, sto Bolo, toy Makariotatoy k. Xristodoyloy h opoia den einai qeologikoy endiaferontos kai den afora monon toys pistoys , alla einai amesa kai kairia qa elega politikoy endiaferontos . Epikrinei thn eyrwpaikh pragmatikothta kai qewrei ws meionejia kai anaphria -an qymamai kala- to na diekdikei enas Ellhnas na ginei Eyrwpaios. Den qelw na metaferw olh th dhlwsh. Qa hqela na rwthsw an aytoy toy eidoys oi parembaseis toy Makariotatoy egkainiazoyn ena neo tropo sxesewn anamesa sthn Politeia kai thn Ekklhsia.

REPPAS: Oi sxeseis Politeias kai Ekklhsias einai orioqethmenes me bash ta osa problepoyn to Syntagma kai oi Nomoi toy Kratoys. Den qa apanthsw egw ek meroys ths Arxiepiskophs kai toy Makariotatoy. Pera apo tis eyxes mas, tis opoies exoyme diatypwsei pros ton Makariotato na epityxei sto ergo toy kai sthn pneymatikh ayth prospaqeia poy kanei, oloi kai h Kybernhsh qa einai sto pleyro toy gia to kalo ths Ekklhsias kai toy Orqodojoy laoy- apo ekei kai pera h Kybernhsh kai ta politika kommata exontas thn chfo toy ellhnikoy laoy kai th dikh toy egkrish askoyn mia politikh me gnwmona to dhmosio kai to eqniko symferon.

FILHS: Dhladh den blepete na yparxei ena problhma - estw en th genesei toy problhma- .. .

REPPAS: Allh erwthsh.

FILHS: Syggnwmh, otan o Prwqypoyrgos dinei maxh gia na entajei me kapoio tropo th xwra, sto eyrwpaiko gignesqai kai thn idia wra qewrei oti mia tetoia kateyqynsh synista eqnikh meionejia o k. Xristodoylos, den prokyptei ena problhma kata thn gnwmh sas;

REPPAS: Problhma qa proekypte an o ellhnikos laos htan topoqethmenos se mia allh politikh kateyqynsh apo thn kateyqynsh ayth poy akoloyqoyn h Kybernhsh kai ta politika kommata, toylaxiston ta perissotera, oson afora thn prooptikh ths entajhs ths xwras mas stoys eyrwpaikoys qesmoys, sthn Oikonomikh kai Nomismatikh Enwsh. Gnwrizete oti ta politika kommata sthn pleiochfia toys kai o ellhnikos laos sth syntriptikh pleiochfia toy einai topoqethmenos yper ayths ths prooptikhs. Ayto, loipon, dinei th dynatothta sthn Kybernhsh kai sta kommata na askoyn thn politikh toys me gnwmona to dhmosio kai to eqniko symferon, opws to antilambanontai ekeina, opws to antilambanontai oi Ellhnes polites sto synolo toys. Kai to dhmosio symferon epitassei na parameinoyme se koinh troxia me tis alles xwres ths E. E. Ayto to stoxo poy exoyme qesei qa ton epityxoyme.

FILHS: Einai epitrepto h Ekklhsia na kanei politikh ;

REPPAS: Apanthsa sthn arxh kiolas, ke Filh, legontas oti oi sxeseis Ekklhsias kai kratoys einai orioqethmenes apo to Syntagma kai toys Nomoys. Giati den anatrexete ekei gia na parete apanthseis kai ta qetete edw gia logoys entypwsewn; Ola ayta exoyn apanthqei.

FILHS: Pro dekaetias eixame Mhtropolites oi opoioi anoigan polemo me geitonikes xwres. To jerete ayto to problhma. Shmera o Prokaqhmenos -einai politikh qesh, den einai mono qrhskeytikh, einai Prokaqhmenos ths Ekklhsias ths Ellados- anoigei, me ton tropo toy, mia polemikh pros thn E. E. Ayto erwtw..

REPPAS: Den qa sxoliasw tis dhlwseis, topoqethseis toy Makariotatoy h opoioydhpote paragonta ths ellhnikhs ekklhsias. Ayto einai kanonas. Epanalambanw oti oi sxeseis orioqetoyntai me bash ta osa problepoyn to Syntagma kai oi Nomoi. Apo kei kai pera o kaqenas exei to diko toy xwro na askhsei tis armodiothtes toy kai parakalw ta qemata ayta poy aforoyn thn politikh poy akoloyqei h Kybernhsh h tis qeseis poy diatypwnoyn ta kommata gia diafora qemata, qa prepei na ta syndesete me thn entolh poy exoyme apo ton ellhniko lao mesw ths chfoy toy na akoloyqoyme mia sygkekrimenh politikh. Ayto einai to metro to opoio dinei th dynatothta thn ejoysia sta kommata na askoyn sygkekrimenh politikh. H chfos toy ellhnikoy laoy. Den exw th dynatothta na sxoliazw opoiondhpote, akomh kai enan paragonta epifanh ths dhmosias zwhs ths xwras, otan o pneymatikos toy rolos den mas dinei th dynatothta, kaqe fora na sxoliazw tis topoqethseis toy, oson afora tis politikes ejelijeis, giati den einai paragontas sto plaisio ths politikhs antiparaqeshs, sto plaisio ths leitoyrgias toy kommatikoy systhmatos. Emeis syzhtoyme, antallassoyme apoceis, dialegomeqa, antiparatiqemeqa me toys paragontes ths politikhs zwhs toy topoy kai monon .

FILHS: H erwthsh einai eyqeia. Epitrepetai na kanei politikh;.

REPPAS: To Syntagma kai oi Nomoi ti problepoyn gi 'ayto ke Filh; Gnwrizete;

FILHS: Ayto einai qema ermhneias.

REPPAS: Apanthsate, loipon.

PARIS: Nomizw, ke Ypoyrge, oti syntoma qa klhqeite na apanthsete stis dhlwseis toy Arxiepiskopoy kai edw bazw kai thn erwthsh moy. Ws Ypoyrgos Typoy qa prepei na kanete sxolio. O Arxiepiskopos apo thn hmera poy eklexqhke brisketai se kaqe kanali, se oles tis kyriakatikes efhmerides ...

REPPAS: H apanthsh einai poly safhs. Ayto einai qema poy den afora thn Kybernhsh. Afora ton idio ton Arxiepiskopo kai ta M.M.E., dhladh esas. Parakalw, loipon, sto plaisio twn sxesewn poy anaptyssei h Arxiepiskoph me ta M.M.E. na anazhthsete tis apanthseis sto erwthma poy qetete.

PARIS: Epeidh o neos Arxiepiskopos einai lalistatos, qa hqela na sas rwthsw ean dexeste oti apotelei pleon qesh ths Arxiepiskophs na einai politikos paragontas sth xwra. Dioti sto parelqon o Makariotatos Serafeim ....

REPPAS: Apanthsa prin se ola ayta ta qemata me leptomereies.

KACAMPELHS: Den jerw an exei yparjei dhlwsh sas gia to pws blepei h Kybernhsh thn protash 50 boyleytwn toy PASOK gia allagh toy orkoy poy dinoyn h Kybernhsh kai oi Ypoyrgoi otan eklegontai.

REPPAS: H Kybernhsh den exei diatypwsei tetoia qesh . Gnwrizete oti h syzhthsh gia thn anaqewrhsh diatajewn toy Syntagmatos einai mia katejoxhn koinoboyleytikh diadikasia. S' aythn symmetexoyn oi boyleytes, diatypwnoyn tis apoceis toys. Gnwrizete poies einai oi diatajeis tis opoies exei proteinei h Kybernhsh na ejetastoyn kai na teqoyn pros anaqewrhsh. Den einai h sygkekrimenh.

KACAMPELHS: Ara to apokleiete.

REPPAS: Einai mia qesh -epanalambanw- thn opoia gnwrizw oti exoyn diatypwsei boyleytes apo diafora kommata. Den einai stis protaseis poy exei kanei h Kybernhsh.

SOYRMELH: Yparxei kai mia protash 60 dianooymenwn metajy twn opoiwn Eyrwboyleytes, Boyleytes, prwhn Ypoyrgoi k.a.. poy zhtoyn to xwrismo ths ekklhsias apo to kratos.

REPPAS: Einai kai ayth mia protash. Gnwrizete poly kala oti ayta ta qemata antimetwpizontai me to isxyon nomiko kai syntagmatiko plaisio kai qelw na pw oti antimetwpizontai me apolyth kai ikanopoihtikh safhneia.

ELENOPOYLOS: Symfwna me ta "NEA" kai thn ERA, se natoikh askhsh poy jekina shmera, den qa ginontai anaxaitiseis natoikwn aeroskafwn (poy symmetexoyn sthn askhsh sto Aigaio), meta thn eidopoihsh toy Dioikhth toy NATO, oti qa dinontai sthn Ellada oi shmatikes anafores twn aeroporikwn apostolwn. To metro ayto qa isxysei apaj h qa genikeyqei kai se epomenes askhseis;

REPPAS: H Polemikh Aeroporia anaxaitizei ola ta aeroskafh poy den ypoballoyn sxedio pthshs. Eidika gia tis natoikes askhseis apo 10etias exoyme proteinei kai zhtoyme h thn ypobolh sxediwn pthshs h thn paroxh pros tis ellhnikes yphresies pente stoixeiwn pthshs kai sygkekrimena: 1. Xrono kai shmeio eisodoy kai ejodoy apo to FIR Aqhnwn. 2. Ariqmo kai typo aeroskafwn. 3. Xarakthristiko klhshs. 4. Xrono kai ych sthn perioxh twn askhsewn. 5. Kwdika IFF. Stis periptwseis poy ayta ta stoixeia parexontai, opws kata thn persinh askhsh DISTANT THUNDER, den probainoyme se anaxaitiseis.

Sas eyxaristw poly.

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