Greek Government Press Briefing, 98-04-29

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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 29.4.1998

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO DHMHTRH REPPA

Geia sas.

Opws gnwrizete, ayth thn wra brisketai se ejelijh h synedriash ths Koinoboyleytikhs Omadas toy PASOK. O Prwqypoyrgos anaferqhke sto plaisio ths kybernhtikhs politikhs, ekane epishmanseis gia oloys toys tomeis. Qa elega, pws periegrace to orama gia mia isxyrh Ellada, thn anagkh na proxwrhsoyme atalanteyta me taxeis ryqmoys, oson afora tis diarqrwtikes allages se epixeirhseis toy Dhmosioy. Idiaitera, enocei twn synqhkwn antagwnismoy poy diamorfwnontai pleon kai sto eswteriko ths xwras mas. Epishs, o Prwqypoyrgos aneptyje idiaitera thn anagkh ths synoxhs kai ths allhleggyhs sthn prospaqeia olwn twn stelexwn toy Kinhmatos kai ths Kybernhshs, sto plaisio mias dhmioyrgikhs enothtas, prokeimenoy h politikh ayth na perasei ston ellhniko lao, o opoios qa klhqei to 2000 na krinei kai pali to ergo mas. Bebaiws, h prospaqeia mas ayth exei endiamesoys staqmoys, opws einai h paroysia mas sth Synodo Koryfhs poy qa ginei meqayrio stis Bryjelles, opoy qa syzhthqei to qema ths ONE, opws einai h prospaqeia mas gia thn entajh sthn ONE. Ayth h prospaqeia qa einai synexhs kai adiataraxth. Den prokeitai oyte prowres ekloges, oyte alles kinhseis, oi opoies mporei men na dhmioyrgoyn proskaires eymeneis entypwseis, alla den paragoyn apotelesma xrhsimo gia th xwra, na mas apospasoyn apo ton prosanatolismo mas. Pisteyw oti h syzhthsh poy egine xqes to brady sth Boylh kai h shmerinh omilia toy Prwqypoyrgoy sthn K.O. toy PASOK apoteloyn krithria, wste o ellhnikos laos kai eseis na bgalete ta symperasmata sas gia thn akoloyqoymenh politikh mas kai gia tis enallaktikes protaseis, oi opoies diatypwnontai. An einai dhladh protaseis efiktes h parexoyn th dynatothta, an xrhsimopoihqoyn ws meqodoi, ws ergaleia, na mas odhghsoyn se eynoikoteres gia thn Ellada ejelijeis. Emeis pisteyoyme oti h politikh poy akoloyqoyme staqmizei afenos tis anagkes gia thn anaptyjh kai thn enisxysh ths qeshs ths xwras mas dieqnws kai afeteroy diasfalizei th synoxh sto eswteriko ths xwras, ws aparaithth bash gia thn ygih prospaqeia olwn twn Ellhnwn ston agwna gia th dhmioyrgia mias isxyrhs Elladas ston 21o aiwna.

* Qa hqela na ekfrasw ta syllyphthria moy sthn oikogeneia toy Arxelaoy. Me to penaki toy skorpise aploxera to gelio, alla energopoihse kai ton problhmatismo mas gia ta politika kai koinwnika fainomena. Oi dyo gioi toy poy einai kai synadelfoi sas dhmosiografoi na ton qymoyntai panta, opws qa ton qymomaste ki emeis giati htan enas jexwristos anqrwpos, peran toy oti htan enas diakekrimenos skitsografos.

MIXAHL : Giati, kata thn Kybernhsh, o k. Pagkalos ejemanh enantion toy k. Sirak;

REPPAS : Den ejemanh o k. Pagkalos. Ejemanh, qa elega, h politikh ths Gallias, h opoia dia toy ypoyrgoy ths k. Moskobsi dhlwnei oti einai akatanohth h stash ths Ellados, otan mplokarei to xrhmatodotiko kanonismo. Twra, ti einai akatanohto, enas mesos noys mporei eykola na antilhfqei. Dhladh, an einai akatanohto ayto to opoio h Ellada, ws politikh, diatypwnei kai efarmozei h einai akatanohth h qesh ekeinwn poy kata tropo kairoskopiko agnooyn oti h Toyrkia epiboyleyetai ellhnika edafh, amfisbhtei thn ellhnikh kyriarxia se mikra nhsia poy zoyn katoikoi, poy anaptyssetai oikonomikh drasthriothta, poy yparxoyn sxoleia, ekklhsies , dhmosies yphresies, mono kai mono gia na ejyphrethsei ta dika ths symferonta. Exoyme pei oti kanoyme politikh arxwn. Den kanoyme eykairiakh ejwterikh politikh. Qa prepei kai h E. E. ths opoias systatiko stoixeio -metajy olwn twn allwn- prepei na einai mia politikh arxwn , na blepei me apolyth katanohsh, akomh perissotero na eyqygrammizetai qa elega, me thn politikh arxwn poy askei mia xwra melos ths, opws einai h Ellada. Giati prepei panw ap' ola na yperaspizetai toys logoys gia toys opoioys idryqhke ayth h Enwsh, prokeimenoy etsi na dhmioyrghsei ta sterea qemelia gia na ejasfalisei thn prooptikh ths sto mellon. Na enisxysei thn ajiopistia ths apenanti stoys plhqysmoys twn xwrwn, twn kratwn melwn ths. Ayta einai qemata ta opoia me apolyth safhneia exoyme syzhthsei polles fores. Ton k. Pagkalo-toy opoioy thn agwnia, thn anhsyxia , symmerizomaste apolyta, opws kai to endiaferon toy gia thn prowqhsh twn ellhnikwn qesewn -syndramoyme me kaqe tropo, prokeimenoy na yperaspisqei ta eqnika symferonta.

MPOGIOPOYLOS : Kyrie Ypoyrge, me bash deltio Typoy to opoio doqhke se ola ta M.M.E. apo thn fasistikh organwsh "Xrysh Aygh", gia prwth fora -toylaxiston apo th metapoliteysh egw den gnwrizw kati analogo - fasistes proxwroyn se anoikth sygkentrwsh propagandishs toy synqhmatos "na fygoyn twra oloi oi jenoi apo thn Ellada", ayto ginetai thn Prwtomagia, kai malista sthn prokhryjh shmeiwnetai oti ektos twn allwn sth sygkentrwsh ayth epishma qa anadeixqei oti oi Ellhnes ergates gnwrisan xronia eyhmerias kai jexwrisths frontidas epi twn eqnikwn kaqestwtwn ths 4hs Aygoystoy kai ths 21hs Aprilioy. Qa hqela na gnwrizw pws qa antidrasei h Kybernhsh;

REPPAS : Den einai dynaton na sxoliasoyme, mpainontas se mia ideologikh kai politikh antiparaqesh me tis akraies aytes omades twn politwn, poy mono deina mporei na prosferei ston topo h drasthriothta toys. Pisteyw oti h ergatikh Prwtomagia qa dwsei th dynatothta sto ergatiko kinhma ths xwras, metajy twn allwn, na ekfrasei ta aisqhmata allhleggyhs pros toys jenoys poy briskontai s' ayth th xwra. H ellhnikh Kybernhsh exei apokrystallwsei thn politikh ths, prokeimenoy na omalopoihsei thn agora ergasias, me to na proxwrhsei sthn katagrafh toy dynamikoy twn metanastwn poy briskontai sthn Ellada, etsi wste mesa apo diadikasies elegxoy na nomimopoihsei to dynamiko ayto kai na to entajei me fysiologiko tropo sthn agora ergasias. H stash mas einai ametakinhth oson afora ta ratsistika, ta jenofobika, ta eqnikistika fainomena. Den einai dynaton , tetoies mikres omades, oso dynata kai na fwnazoyn na diasaleysoyn ayth thn katastash, poy exoyme dhmioyrghsei me kopo, me moxqo, oles oi politikes dynameis toy topoy, wste shmera oi koinoboyleytikoi qesmoi na einai stereoi, na akoygontai eleyqera oles oi apoceis kai h politikh ths xwras mas na diakrinetai gia thn anoxh se o,ti einai diaforetiko kai gia th dynatothta poy parexei se oloys osoi zoyn s' ayth th xwra na ajiopoioyn ta agaqa ths dhmokratias mas. To metwpo mas einai anoikto apenanti s' aytes tis mikres omades. Den einai dynaton h drasthriothta toys na anaptyssetai pera apo ta oria toy nomoy. Otan ayto ginei qa brei olon ton politiko kosmo, oloys toys polites kai bebaiws ta organa ths kratikhs ejoysias apenanti ths.

MPOGIOPOYLOS : Qa hqela na gnwrizw praktika ti prokeitai na kanei h Kybernhsh kai an protiqetai na kanei kati ....

REPPAS : Den fantazomai na perimenete na anaptyjoyme shmera ena senario kinhsewn kai antikinhsewn. Exoyn dhlwsei kapoia qesh oi ekproswpoi ayths ths omadas. Sas aneptyja th qesh ths Kybernhshs. Apo kei kai pera kaqe drasthriothta h opoia antibainei stoys kanones ths dhmokratias kai parabiazei toys nomoys kai to Syntagma, qa antimetwpistei analogws.

MPOGIOPOYLOS : Qelw na rwthsw an kata th gnwmh ths Kybernhshs to gegonos oti exoyme mia dhmosia qesh oson afora th stash ayths ths fasistikhs omadas apenanti se fyletika zhthmata , qewreitai apo thn Kybernhsh ikanos logos na antimetwpisqei twra h katastash. Me alla logia rwtw, ean qewreite pws hdh o nomos, gia ton opoion milhsame, den threitai.

REPPAS : Sthn Ellada, gnwrizete, pws den diwkontai oi apoceis, den diwketai to fronhma , diwketai h paranomh prajh. Kaqe drasthriothta ektos nomoy, episyrei tis analoges poines.

MPOGIOPOYLOS : Eptrecte moy. Me bash to nomo ths Kybernhshs toy PASOK ton 1419/ 84 peri "kolasmoy prajewn aposkopoyswn stis fyletikes diakriseis" yparxei nomikh bash epi ths opoias kalw thn Kybernhsh na apanthsei. To nomo ayto qa ton efarmosei;

REPPAS : Milhsa kai pali gia prajeis, milhsate kai seis twra gia prajeis, enw se oles tis erwthseis sas prin perioristhkate sto na anaferqeite se idees kai apoceis oi opoies ekdhlwnontai. Asfalws, oi prajeis oi opoies exoyn ej antikeimenoy mia tetoia kateyqynsh, antimetwpizontai analogws. Oi prajeis omws.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Me bash to nomo ton opoio exw mprosta moy ginetai logos gia ekeinon opoiosdhpote leei eite dhmosiws, eite proforikws, eite dia toy Typoy, h dia graptwn keimenwn kai edw exoyme grapto keimeno k.l.p.

REPPAS: Ti kai ta loipa, gia synexiste;

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Protrepei ek proqesews "eis prajeis h energeias dynamenwn na prokalesoyn diakriseis misoys h bias kata proswpwn h omadas proswpwn ek monoy toy logoy ths fyletikhs h exqrikhs katagwghs toys timwroyntai me fylakish dyo etwn" k.t.l.

REPPAS: Sas apanthsa s' ola ayta kai einai toso safhs h qesh mas.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Erwtw, ean aytos o nomos qa efarmostei sthn prokeimenh periptwsh;

REPPAS: Oloi oi nomoi efarmozontai. Gi' ayto akribws chfizontai kai leitoyrgoyn.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Giati mexri shmera kai enw yparxei ayth h prokhryjh edw kai tesseris meres, aytos o nomos den exei efarmostei;

REPPAS: Giati oi armodies yphresies exoyn krinei oti den yparxei parabiash toy nomoy.

KANELLAKHS: Oi Toyrkoi meta tis prosfates apeiles poy exoyn ejapolysei enantion ths Kyproy kai ths Elladas gia thn egkatastash twn pyraylwn S-300 sthn Kypro, twra askoyn kai pieseis stoys amerikanikoys mhxanismoys gia th mh promhqeia twn F-15 twn amerikanikwn aeroskafwn sthn Ellada. Ti leei h Kybernhsh;

REPPAS: To ejoplistiko programma ths xwras mas qa proxwrhsei symfwna me ta osa exoyme apofasisei. Bebaiws h epilogh twn oplikwn systhmatwn h twn maxhtikwn aeroskafwn qa ginei me gnwmona to eqniko symferon. Den yparxei opoiodhpote allo krithrio to opoio mporei na yperkerasei ayth thn epilogh, poy einai to eqniko symferon. Nomizw oti o sygkekrimenos typos maxhtikwn aeroskafwn exei epideixqei kai stis armodies ellhnikes Arxes. Ara, loipon, enapokeitai se mas na epilejoyme, otan erqei h wra, poio typo aeroskafwn qa promhqeytoyme. Ayto afora tis sxeseis ths Elladas me tis HPA kai sto qema ayto den yparxei opoiodhpote problhma. H Toyrkia se diaforoys tomeis kai gia diafora qemata prospaqei na parembei, prokeimenoy na dhmioyrghsei problhmata sthn politikh poy akoloyqei h xwra mas stoys antistoixoys tomeis. Katanohth ayth h prospaqeia ths, alla aparadekth. Pantote, omws, gnwrizete poia einai h dikh mas antidrash. Qa' lega pws h Toyrkia den epitygxanei to stoxo ths. To idio qa symbei kai sth sygkekrimenh periptwsh.

KANELLAKHS: Paliotera sas eixa rwthsei gia thn egkatastash pyrhnikoy antidrasthra sthn Toyrkia. Apasxolei thn Kybernhsh to qema;

REPPAS: Exoyn perielqei kai se mas oi plhrofories poy gnwrizete ki eseis. Parakoloyqoyme thn prospaqeia poy kanei h Toyrkia gia thn idrysh enos pyrhnikoy ergostasioy stis dytikes aktes ths. Einai ena qema gia to opoio exoyme armodiws anaferqei dieqnws. Einai kati to opoio mas apasxolei. Exoyme kanei tis analoges parastaseis. Oi yphresies ths xwras parakoloyqoyn pws ejelissetai ayto to qema.

KIAOS: S' ayto to teleytaio poy eipate. Sygkekrimena gnwrizete oti proxwrei h Toyrkia se sygkekrimenh topoqesia kai xrono k.l.p. gia na egkatasthsei pyrhniko ergostasio kai apo poies jenes xwres kai etairies zhthse na promhqeytei ta sxetika;

REPPAS: Gnwrizete oti h perioxh ayth brisketai sta notiodytika ths Toyrkias. Einai h perioxh Akoygioy, eixe graftei toylaxiston me ayto to onoma. Den exei proxwrhsei h dhmioyrgia toy ergostasioy. Ayto to opoio grafetai kai gnwrizoyme ki emeis einai oti h olh diadikasia brisketai se ena prwto stadio. Yparxoyn jenes etairies kyriws kanadikwn symferontwn h texnognwsias poy fainetai oti exoyn endiaferon h sxesh me th dhmioyrgia ayths ths monadas. Emeis gia ta qemata ayta exoyme safh politikh. Me thn eykairia ths erwthshs sas, sas lew oti qesame entonws to qema ths leitoyrgias toy Koslontoyi sth Boylgaria kata thn teleytaia episkech toy Prwqypoyrgoy. Pisteyoyme oti prepei na yparxei mia poly pio ypeyqynh antimetwpish leitoyrgias aytwn twn monadwn. Qa kanoyme ta deonta. Alla, ayto to opoio mporw na pw twra einai oti parakoloyqoyme to shmeio poy exoyn fqasei ta pragmata kai mporoyme na poyme oti den yparxei kati sygkekrimeno. Alla den mporei na mhn exei bash olh ayth h syzhthsh poy exei anaptyxqei. Den mporei, dhladh, "na yparxei kapnos, xwris fwtia". Gi' ayto akribws parakoloyqoyme me endiaferon to qema.

KANELLAKHS: Oi apolyseis dyo gnwstwn dhmosiografwn sthn Toyrkia einai mia akomh epibebaiwsh aytoy poy lene gia fimwsh toy Typoy poy epixeireitai sthn Toyrkia;

REPPAS: Einai mia epibebaiwsh oti sthn Toyrkia den leitoyrgoyn oi dhmokratikoi qesmoi, den ginontai sebasta ta atomika dikaiwmata, den yparxei eleyqerotypia. Kai blepete oti ayto poy apotelei ena koryfaio deigma ths ayqairesias kai ths aytarxias poy epikratei sthn Toyrkia, den lambanetai toso ypoch apo to dieqnh paragonta, o opoios dhqen koptetai gia th dhmokratia kai toys koinoboyleytikoys qesmoys. Pisteyoyme oti apotelei ena poly shmantiko stoixeio h diwjh twn dyo dhmosiografwn. Den exoyme kanena logo na ypeiselqoyme sta eswterika twn entypwn sta opoia ergazontan kai apo ta opoia apolyqhkan. Exoyme, omws, kaqe dikaiwma kai endiaferon na poyme se oloys toys tonoys oti tetoies symperifores apodeiknyoyn oti sthn Toyrkia den leitoyrgei plhrws h dhmokratia.

Eyxaristw poly.

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