Greek Government Press Briefing, 98-02-18

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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 18 Febroyarioy 1998

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO DHMHTRH REPPA

Geia sas. Akoyw tis erwthseis sas.

LEONTOPOYLOS: Sth shmerinh syskech toy Prwqypoyrgoy me thn hgesia toy Ypoyrgeioy Ejwterikwn, ti qemata syzhthqhkan kai ti apofasisthke;

REPPAS: H syskech ayth entassetai sto plaisio twn synergasiwn poy exei o Prwqypoyrgos me toys Ypoyrgoys. Syzhthqhkan ta qemata ths ejwterikhs politikhs. Oson afora thn protash poy diatypwse o k. Tzem, oi qeseis ths Ellhnikhs Kybernhshs sas einai gnwstes. Exei milhsei gia to qema ayto, proxqes kiolas, o k. Pagkalos. Osa eipe apoteloyn thn oysia twn qesewn, me tis opoies h Ellhnikh Kybernhsh qa apanthsei tis epomenes hmeres.

KONTOPOYLOS: Pote qa stalei ayth h rhmatikh diakoinwsh, me poia diadikasia kai an prokeitai ki emeis na qesoyme sthn Agkyra kapoia qemata ;

REPPAS: H apanthsh qa doqei apo to Ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn. Den einai dynato na prosdiorisoyme sygkekrimenh hmera. Qa ginei sto amesws epomeno diasthma. Qa epilegei o tropos ths epishmhs ayths apanthshs. Einai kati to opoio ginetai se aytes tis periptwseis. Apantas se qemata poy exei qesei kapoios kai taytoxrona, exeis thn eykairia, kaqws apantas, na anaptyjeis kai tis dikes soy idees, afoy milas gia thn politikh soy. Ayto qa ginei kai sth sygkekrimenh periptwsh.

FASOYLAS: O k. Mhtsotakhs sth synanthsh poy eixe xqes me ton Toyrko Presbeyth sthn Aqhna, toy eipe na metaferei ena mhnyma ston k. Ntemirel kai ston k. Gilmaz, oti twra einai h eykairia na lyqei to Kypriako. Qelw na sas rwthsw, an symmerizeste ayto to "twra" toy k. Mhtsotakh.

REPPAS: Gnwrizete oti para polles prospaqeies exoyn ginei, edw kai perissotero apo 20 xronia, gia thn antimetwpish toy kypriakoy problhmatos, dystyxws, xwris na exei prokycei lysh. Pisteyw oti h kinhtikothta poy exei anaptyxqei, thn teleytaia periodo, oson afora to Kypriako, einai ena kalo shmadi. Prepei, omws, na ginoyn polla akomh, wste na prokycei mia dikaih kai biwsimh lysh gia to kypriako qema. H Ellhnikh Kybernhsh symballei se ayth thn kateyqynsh. O dieqnhs paragontas fainetai pws exei eilikrines endiaferon na antimetwpisei to qema. Elpizoyme na synexistei me ton idio tropo to endiaferon ayto kai oles oi pleyres poy exoyn sxesh me to problhma na symbaloyn, wste telika na prokycei, epiteloys, lysh. Omws, qa moy epitrecete na pw, oti den prepei me biastiko tropo na bgazoyme symperasmata. Gia to qema ayto qa prepei na anamenoyme kai kaqws qa proxwroyn oi diadikasies, apo tis ejelijeis, tote kai monon tote, na bgazoyme ta symperasmata mas.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Dhladh, h prwtoboylia Xolmproyk, h opoia arxizei ton Martio kai h opoia anamenetai me para poly endiaferon, me ta legomena sas prohgoymenws afhnete na ennohqei oti den pisteyete oti mporei na prokycei kati qetiko apo aythn;

REPPAS: Pragmati, anamenoyme me endiaferon thn prwtoboylia Xolmproyk. Omws, h kaqe prwtoboylia prepei na krinetai apo ta apotelesmata ta opoia paragontai. Asfalws, exoyme endiaferon kai qa symbaloyme apo th dikh mas pleyra gia na yparjei apotelesmatikh antimetwpish toy problhmatos, sto plaisio ayths ths prwtoboylias. Exw pei, omws, kat' epanalhch oti ta panta krinontai apo tis sygkekrimenes prajeis, apo tis epiloges oi opoies ginontai, apo thn kateyqynsh h opoia kaqe fora akoloyqeitai gia thn antimetwpish kapoioy qematos.

BITSENTZOY: Ti apofasise h syskech sto Majimoy se sxesh me to "jepagwma" twn koinotikwn xrhmatodothsewn pros thn Toyrkia, poy syndeontai me thn telwneiakh symfwnia kai gia tis opoies ekdhlwnetai ena idiaitero endiaferon twn etairwn kai ths Komision na jemplokaristoyn;

REPPAS: Gia to sygkekrimeno qema, h politikh mas paramenei h idia. Den allazei tipota. Einai ayth poy gnwrizete.

BITSENTZOY: Dhladh, na paei h Agkyra sth Xagh gia ta Imia;

REPPAS: Exoyme qesei veto sthn ekroh aytwn twn xrhmatikwn poswn apo thn E.E. pros thn Toyrkia. H qesh ayth paramenei, afoy th synartoyme me sygkekrimenes proypoqeseis poy exoyme qesei.

BITSENTZOY: Skopeyei h ellhnikh pleyra na analabei kapoia prwtoboylia enanti ths toyrkikhs -estw kai se epipedo synanthsewn- prokeimenoy na beltiwqei to dimeres klima, enocei ejelijewn sto Kypriako;

REPPAS: Den yparxei tetoia prwtoboylia apo thn Ellhnikh Kybernhsh. Pantote, sto plaisio twn Dieqnwn Organismwn h dieqnwn synergasiwn, dinetai h dynatothta ayths ths epikoinwnias. Den qewroyme, omws, oti ayth thn wra yparxoyn oi proypoqeseis, prokeimenoy na kanoyme kati diaforetiko apo ayto to opoio mexri twra ginetai. Qa prepei h allh pleyra na exei mia tetoia symperifora, h opoia na sebetai toys kanones kalhs geitonias, na apofeygei tis proklhseis, tis parabiaseis kai tis parabaseis, stis opoies epididetai teleytaiws, wste etsi na dhmioyrghqei ena klima kai oi epikoinwnies, oi opoies yparxoyn metajy ajiwmatoyxwn twn dyo pleyrwn, na einai karpofores kai apodotikes. Qa elega, omws, oti h symperifora ths Toyrkias "torpilizei" ayth thn prospaqeia gia th dhmioyrgia enos hremoy klimatos sth sxesh twn dyo xwrwn.

SOYRMELIDHS: Yparxei anakoinwsh toy toyrkikoy Ypoyrgeioy Ejwterikwn, poy epikaleitai th symfwnia ths Madriths gia ta 12 milia. Exete kapoio sxolio ep' aytoy;

REPPAS: Exei apanthsei to Ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn sto qema ayto. H qesh mas einai gnwsth. Den einai dynaton, to Dieqnes Dikaio, poy ej orismoy diasfalizei ta nomima kai zwtika symferonta olwn twn xwrwn, na xrhsimopoieitai apo thn Toyrkia ws ergaleio gia anomes epidiwjeis. Poy akoysthke h askhsh kyriarxikoy dikaiwmatos, to opoio basizetai sto Dieqnes Dikaio, na qewreitai exqrikh prajh h na akoygetai ws apeilh; H Ellada einai mia xwra, ths opoias h ejwterikh politikh einai symbath me th dieqnh ennomh tajh kai to idio prepei na kanei kai h Toyrkia, kaqoson thn afora. Kai den to kanei.

T. MPERMPERAKHS: Qa hqela dyo dieykriniseis: Prwton, oson afora thn protash gia epishmopoihsh ths Madriths, h ellhnikh apanthsh qa einai oxi;

REPPAS: Exoyme apanthsei hdh. Emeis sebomaste thn politikh diakhryjh ths Madriths kai to exoyme apodeijei sthn prajh. Qa prepei, loipon, sthn prajh kai oxi mono qewrhtikws kai h Toyrkia na apodeijei oti sebetai kai threi ayth thn politikh diakhryjh.

T. MPERMPERAKHS: Ki ena deytero: Me bash kai tis dhlwseis poy exei kanei o k. Pagkalos, peri synanthshs alla oxi dialogoy, prosexws epikeitai kapoia synanthsh Pagkaloy - Tzem;

REPPAS: Apanthsa se erwthsh poy ekane prin h ka Bitsentzoy. Den einai kati tetoio programmatismeno. Eipa, omws, oti sto plaisio dieqnwn synergasiwn dinetai h eykairia gia tetoies synanthseis kai gia antallagh apocewn. Ayto den exei, bebaiws, opoiadhpote sxesh me ena politikoy xarakthra dialogo, ena dialogo gia th diapragmateysh dikaiwmatwn. M' ayth thn ennoia, synanthseis ginontai kai qa ginontai kai kalo einai na ginontai, alla bebaiws den exoyn kamia sxesh me thn allagh toy plaisioy ths ejwterikhs politikhs mas, opws sas einai gnwsto.

LAKOPOYLOS: Qa hqela na sas rwthsw gia osa blepoyme na diadramatizontai tis teleytaies hmeres sto xwro ths Neolaias PASOK.

REPPAS: Ayta einai qemata ta opoia ejelissontai sto plaisio toy Kinhmatos.

LAKOPOYLOS: Ma, den rwthsa. To prwto poy qelw na sas rwthsw einai ean yphrje pragmati thlefwnikh epikoinwnia toy Prwqypoyrgoy, toy Proedroy toy Kinhmatos, me ton Ypoyrgo Eqnikhs Amynas. Deyteron, poia einai h proswpikh apoch toy k. Shmith gia to Synedrio ths Neolaias PASOK; Kai triton: Efoson ayto to Synedrio pragmatopoihqei, opws h Neolaia toy Kinhmatos -me thn aytonomia poy eseis ypainixqhkate ligo prin- proxwrhsei sth diorganwsh toy, ean o Prwqypoyrgos -opws exete hdh proanaggeilei- qa parastei.

REPPAS: Ayta einai qemata ta opoia ta antimetwpizoyn ta organa toy Kinhmatos.

LAKOPOYLOS: Gia ton Prwqypoyrgo rwtaw.

REPPAS: O Prwqypoyrgos exei thn idiothta toy Proedroy toy Kinhmatos. H drasthriothta sthn opoia anafereste einai drasthriothta poy anagetai sthn idiothta toy ws Proedroy toy Kinhmatos, oxi ws Prwqypoyrgoy ths xwras. M' ayth thn ennoia, mporw na stamathsw edw th syzhthsh. Mporw omws, gia na mh sas kakokardisw, na pw to ejhs: Logw ths apoysias apo thn Ellada toy k. Tsoxatzopoyloy, doqhke h dynatothta mesw thlefwnikwn epikoinwniwn na antallajoyn apoceis gia to sygkekrimeno qema kai o Proedros kai ta alla stelexh ths Politikhs Grammateias me ton k. Tsoxatzopoylo. Ginetai shmera, opws gnwrizete, synanthsh toy Ektelestikoy Grafeioy me thn hgesia ths Neolaias. Nomizw oti qa epidiwxqei h kalyterh dynath lysh, poy qa toys ikanopoiei oloys, wste kai h enothta ths Neolaias toy PASOK na mhn traymatizetai kai h ajioprepeia, an qelete, h h istoria kai h timh poy prepei na diakrinei th Neolaia toy PASOK na diasfalizetai. Exw pei -kai blepw oti exei apodoqei me diaforoys tropoys ayth h apanthsh moy- oti pantote o Proedros toy PASOK se synedria toy Kinhmatos, poy einai synedria toy Kinhmatos, kai se synedria ths Neolaias, poy einai synedria ths Neolaias, pareyrisketai. Einai aytonohto ayto.

ELENOPOYLOS: Yparxoyn, dhladh, synedria ths Neolaias poy den einai synedria ths Neolaias;

REPPAS: Ayth thn apanthsh exw dwsei. S' aythn epanerxomai kai epeidh blepw na dinontai polles ermhneies, parakalw para poly na mhn parapoieitai h apanthsh. Na didetai oloklhrh h apanthsh, opws thn eipa egw. Apo kei kai pera oi ermhneies einai dikes sas, mporeite na tis kanete, sxoliazontas thn apanthsh.

LAKOPOYLOS: Mporeite na mas peite ta krithria basei twn opoiwn ena Synedrio ths Neolaias PASOK einai Synedrio ths Neolaias PASOK;

REPPAS: Ayta ta qemata qa ta antimetwpisei to PASOK kai h Neolaia toy sto plaisio ths synanthshs kai synergasias twn dyo antiproswpeiwn.

LAKOPOYLOS: O Prwqypoyrgos -kai lew o Prwqypoyrgos dioti h synanthsh egine sto Majimoy kai oxi sth Neolaia PASOK- synanthqhke me thn epikefalhs ths Neolaias PASOK kai ap' oti maqame, symfwnhqhke mia poreia pros to Synedrio. Ti mesolabhse kai apetraph ayto, to opoio symfwnhqhke me ton Prwqypoyrgo;

REPPAS: Ola ayta ta qemata ta antimetwpizoyn ta organa toy Kinhmatos.

SOYGLERHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, mesa apo tis antegklhseis, tis diafwnies kai ola ayta poy grafontai kai legontai kai akoygontai, qa ginei telika to Synedrio, nai h oxi;

REPPAS: Einai qema to opoio antimetwpizoyn ta organa toy Kinhmatos. Kai ta organa ths Neolaias, bebaiws, giati diko ths Synedrio einai.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Ayto to Synedrio poy ginetai einai Synedrio ths Neolaias PASOK;

REPPAS: Allh erwthsh.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Ti "allh erwthsh"; Rwtaw: Einai Synedrio ths Neolaias PASOK;

REPPAS: Exw apanthsei prin, k. Stamatopoyle. Qelw na parakoloyqeite th syzhthsh thn opoia kanoyme, etsi; Den qa syzhthqei ayto to qema edw.

SOYGLERHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, ola ayta poy ginontai timoyn to komma kai thn hgesia toy;

REPPAS: Apanthsa gi' ayto prin.

LAKOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, qelw na ypobalw mia paremferh erwthsh. Tis teleytaies hmeres parakoloyqoyme mesw toy Typoy, alla kai dhlwsewn kai ekdhlwsewn tmhmatwn kai paragontwn ths Neolaias PASOK kapoies drasthriothtes. Qelw na sas zhthsw, ek meroys ths Kybernhshs, ena sxolio gia to xarakthra kai to mhnyma poy dinoyn pros thn ellhnikh neolaia aytes oi drasthriothtes.

REPPAS: Den qa krinw tis drasthriothtes mias neolaiistikhs politikhs organwshs. To mono sxolio sto opoio periorizomai einai toyto: Oti h Neolaia PASOK exei mia lamprh istoria, exei dwsei shmantikoys politikoys agwnes. Epiqymoyme, epeidh akribws to PASOK einai to Kinhma to opoio sthrizei ayth thn Kybernhsh, h Neolaia toy Kinhmatos na diathrhsei arragh thn enothta kai na ajiopoihsei thn ikanothta oloy toy dynamikoy ths, prokeimenoy na antimetwpisei me epityxia tis proklhseis. Giati, gia th nea genia ths patridas mas, mia politikh organwsh Neolaias prepei na einai prwtoporos. Ayto to rolo prepei na diekdikei kai na katakta synexws h Neolaia PASOK. Ayto epiqymoyme.

KAMPOYRGIANNH: O Prwqypoyrgos qa parastei se ena Synedrio poy den qa einai enwtiko, me thn ennoia oti den qa symmetexoyn kapoies taseis;

REPPAS: Apanthsa se ola ayta ta qemata. Parakalw mhn epanerxeste s' ayto to qema. Den yparxei xwros gia syzhthsh epi tetoioy qematos.

FILIPPAKOPOYLOS: Meta apo ayta poy exoyn symbei sto xwro ths Neolaias, mhpws o Proedros toy kommatos qa kanei dektes kapoies eishghseis poy exoyn ginei gia na entaxqei h Neolaia sto komma;

REPPAS: Ola ayta ta antimetwpizei to PASOK me ta organa toy. Den exei teqei tetoio qema. Den exei apasxolhsei tetoio qema ton Prwqypoyrgo, an qelete na mpw kai epi ths oysias. Alla, ola ayta einai qemata ta opoia ta syzhtoyn ta organa toy PASOK. Den nomizw oti einai o katallhlos xwros edw, sto Pres-Roym, gia na ta syzhtoyme.

ARGYROS: Qa hqela na rwthsw an o Grammateas toy PASOK qa analabei kapoion kaqodhghtiko rolo sth Neolaia;

REPPAS: Exei analabei tetoio rolo o Grammateas ths Kentrikhs Epitrophs, o k. Skandalidhs, kai kanei tis katallhles kinhseis.

STAMATOPOYLOS: H Kybernhsh jepoylaei kapoies DEKO. Poios qa kanei thn apotimhsh aytwn twn DEKO kai ti qa ginei me toys ergazomenoys;

REPPAS: H politikh ths Kybernhshs epidiwkei ayto poy apaitei o ellhnikos laos. Oi epixeirhseis toy Dhmosioy na prosferoyn ychlhs poiothtas yphresies stoys polites. Sto plaisio ayto oi epixeirhseis prepei na ejygianqoyn. Prepei na ginoyn antagwnistikes, prepei na diakrinontai gia thn poiothta twn yphresiwn poy prosferoyn. Den nomizw na exei kapoios antiqeth apoch. H Kybernhsh asxoleitai systhmatika me to qema ayto. Exei ekponhsei sygkekrimena sxedia gia kaqe mia apo tis Dhmosies Epixeirhseis. Syzhta me tis Dioikhseis twn epixeirhsewn kai toys ergazomenoys, prokeimenoy na epidiwxqoyn synainetikes lyseis, giati oles oi pleyres antilambanontai th shmasia poy exei ayto to egxeirhma. Qeloyme epixeirhseis poy na mhn einai zhmiogones, oxi mono gia na antimetwpisoyme problhmata toy proypologismoy h ths ellhnikhs oikonomias, alla, kyriws, gia na prosferoyme ychloy epipedoy yphresies stoys katanalwtes, stoys Ellhnes polites. Nomizw, oydeis diafwnei. Ayth thn prospaqeia kanoyme. Den jepoylame kamia epixeirhsh. Apla, ajiopoioyme o,ti pleonekthma diaqetei kaqe mia apo aytes tis epixeirhseis, prokeimenoy na katastei pio antagwnistikh.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Den moy apanthsate sto poios qa kanei thn apotimhsh kaqe epixeirhshs kai ti qa ginei me toys ergazomenoys;

REPPAS: Ayta einai lymena qemata. Apanthsa sthn erwthsh sas. Otan lew oti qeloyme na tis kanoyme antagwnistikes, eseis apo poy bgazete to symperasma oti qeloyme na tis jepoylhsoyme; Prepei na dexqw oti qeloyme na tis jepoylhsoyme gia na apanthsw sta erwthmata poy qetete. Egw apanthsa oti tetoio qema den tiqetai. Mhn epimenete loipon.

SOYGLERHS: H trimerhs prwtoboylia twn kyriwn Pagkaloy, Primakof kai toy Galloy Ypoyrgoy Ejwterikwn, gia eirhnh ston Kolpo, exei kai allo xarakthra, peran apo thn thlefwnikh epikoinwnia; Mporei na analaboyn kai kapoia allh prwtoboylia, opws paradeigmatos xarin na episkefqoyn ton Geniko Grammatea toy OHE;

REPPAS: Apofasisthke hdh o Genikos Grammateas toy OHE na episkefqei th Bagdath. Ayto einai mia qetikh ejelijh. S' ayth thn kateyqynsh eixan ekfrasei qeseis kai oi treis Ypoyrgoi Ejwterikwn. Na doqei, dhladh, h dynatothta ston k. Anan na episkefqei to Irak. Meta apo ayth thn ejelijh, nomizw oti ta pragmata allazoyn, dhmioyrgoyntai nea dedomena. Elpizoyme h apostolh toy k. Anan na stefqei me epityxia kai na mh xreiastei telikws h xrhsh bias gia na antimetwpistoyn ta problhmata. Oydeis einai yper twn xhmikwn h pyrhnikwn oplwn. Emeis exoyme pei, dhmosiws kai epishmws, oti den epiqymoyme kapoios na ta paraskeyazei, na ta katexei kai poly perissotero na ta xrhsimopoiei. Apo ekei kai pera yparxei to Symboylio Asfaleias toy OHE to opoio pairnei apofaseis kai oi apofaseis aytes prepei na ginontai sebastes. Nomizoyme oti o k. Anan qa exei epityxia sthn apostolh toy. Emeis qa symbaloyme se ayth thn kateyqynsh.

KANELLOPOYLOS: Qelw na sas rwthsw gia to qema twn agrotwn, epeidh h ajiwmatikh antipoliteysh epanhlqe sto qema toy dialogoy. Mporei oi agrotes na ypoxwrhsan apo ta mploka, exei omws kai alles diastaseis koinwnikes, oikonomikes k.t.l. Pws skeftetai h Kybernhsh na to antimetwpisei;

REPPAS: H prospaqeia poy kanei h Kybernhsh anaptyssetai se polloys tomeis. Hdh, exoyme mia qetikh, qa elega, ejelijh me th qesh ths E.E. poy apespase o k. Tzoymakas, gia thn idiwtikh apoqematopoihsh toy ladioy, h opoia epitrepetai kai sthn Ellada apo omades paragwgwn. Ayto mporei na symbalei sthn antimetwpish ths krishs, h opoia proklhqhke thn teleytaia periodo, oson afora thn elaioparagwgh. Alla qemata ta opoia aforoyn toys agrotes, opws einai to petrelaio qermanshs, exoyme pei oti mas apasxoloyn. Yparxoyn kai qemata ta opoia den einai dynato na ikanopoihsoyme. Eite giati h ikanopoihsh toys antikeitai sthn koinotikh nomoqesia, eite giati yparxoyn adhrites anagkes, tis opoies den mporoyme na agnohsoyme. Den mporoyme na diaqesoyme, dhladh, kolossiaia posa ta opoia qa odhgoysan se katarreysh thn ellhnikh oikonomia. Apo ekei kai pera, epiqymoyme ta qemata poy apasxoloyn toys agrotes na syzhtoyntai kai na anadeiknyontai.

KANELLOPOYLOS: Yparxei to endexomeno na syzhthsete kai me ta alla kommata;

REPPAS: Asfalws eimaste sth diaqesh twn allwn kommatwn kai pisteyoyme oti, eite sto plaisio ths Boylhs, eite se alloys dhmosioys xwroys, oi syzhthseis einai wfelimes. Sth Boylh qa ginei syzhthsh gia ta agrotika qemata kai ekei qa fanei an h kaqe pleyra exei sygkekrimenh politikh gia thn antimetwpish twn gewrgikwn qematwn. Giati polles fores ta synqhmata kai oi logoi kalyptoyn thn oysia kai ta epixeirhmata. Emeis, epeidh exoyme sygkrothmenh politikh gia to sygkekrimeno tomea, pisteyoyme oti qa fanei ayto kai qeloyme na ginontai aytes oi dhmosies syzhthseis. Emeis epiqymoyme na ginetai syzhthsh epi ths oysias twn problhmatwn, giati exoyme sygkekrimenh politikh protash, giati exoyme programma kai oi alloi den exoyn.

Sas eyxaristw.

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