Greek Government Press Briefing, 98-01-26

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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 26.1.1998

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO DHMHTRH REPPA

Kalhmera sas kai kalh ebdomada.

Na jekinhsoyme me to programma toy Prwqypoyrgoy.

* Ayth thn wra, o Prwqypoyrgos proedreyei se syskech me ton k. Benizelo, ton k. Foyra kai alla stelexh toy PASOK gia qemata Aqlhtismoy. Oxi mono gia thn Olympiada, alla kai gia thn katastash poy exei dhmioyrghqei genikotera ston Aqlhtismo, epeidh akribws to PASOK proetoimazetai gia th diorganwsh mias diaskechs gia ton Aqlhtismo, mesa stoys epomenoys mhnes.

To brady, o Prwqypoyrgos qa parabreqei se dejiwsh toy Emporikoy kai Biomhxanikoy Epimelhthrioy Peiraia.

* Ayrio, stis 12.30 to meshmeri, qa dextei thn ka Miteran h opoia brisketai sthn Ellada kai stis 13.00 qa dextei me thn politikh hgesia toy Ypoyrgeioy Ygeias thn Omospondia twn atomwn me eidikes anagkes.

Argotera, qa paraqesei geyma se epta boyleytes toy PASOK.

* Thn Tetarth, stis 13.00, qa dextei to 15meles Symboylio ths Organwtikhs Epitrophs twn Olympiakwn Agwnwn toy 2004 kai akoloyqws oloi mazi qa episkeftoyn ton Proedro ths Dhmokratias.

* Thn Pempth, stis 13.30, o Prwqypoyrgos qa proedreysei se syskech me synarmodioys Ypoyrgoys, ton k. Rwmaio, ton k. Tzoymaka kai alloys paragontes gia to qema ths dasopyrosbeshs.

* Thn Paraskeyh, stis 9.30 to prwi, qa dextei ton Proedro toy Eyrwpaikoy Koinoboylioy k. Romples kai mish wra argotera qa synedriasei h Kybernhtikh Epitroph, h opoia qa asxolhqei me thn poreia toy kybernhtikoy ergoy.

Ayta ek meroys moy. Akoyw tis erwthseis sas.

FASOYLAS: O "ELEYQEROS TYPOS" dhmosieyei shmera aporrhta eggrafa apo th synanthsh toy Bretanoy Ypoyrgoy Ejwterikwn Rompin Koyk me ton Ollando Epitropo Xans Ban nter Mproyk. Metajy allwn, anaferetai oti einai "frikwdes" na odhgoyntai se adiejodo oi sxeseis ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs me thn Toyrkia, ejaitias kapoiwn braxwn sth Mesogeio kai yposthrizoyn akomh oti to kleidi gia thn epilysh toy zhthmatos brisketai sthn Aqhna kai oxi sthn Agkyra. Poio einai to sxolio ths Ellhnikhs Kybernhshs;

REPPAS: Gnwrizete poies einai oi qeseis ths Ellhnikhs Kybernhshs gia to qema ayto. Tis exoyme diatypwsei edw kai para poly kairo. Einai qeseis oi opoies exoyn ginei dektes apo thn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh kai apoteloyn ena stoixeio sto plaisio twn apofasewn poy exei labei h Eyrwpaikh Enwsh gia to qema twn sxesewn ths me thn Toyrkia. H politikh ayth poy exoyme diatypwsei den allazei. Pisteyoyme oti einai orqh politikh, opws allwste exei dextei kai h Eyrwpaikh Enwsh me ta organa ths. Apo ekei kai pera, gia na anaferqw sto sygkekrimeno dhmosieyma, moy dinete thn eykairia na eyxaristhsw ton "ELEYQERO TYPO", giati me to dhmosieyma ayto anagnwrizei emmesws thn isxyrh qesh ths Ellhnikhs Kybernhshs, h opoia gia ena qema to opoio kapoioi tritoi qewroyn mikro kai ashmanto, dinei ayth th maxh me epityxia, afoy exei katorqwsei to qema ayto na apotelei krithrio gia tis eyrwtoyrkikes sxeseis. Opws epishs, moy dinete thn eykairia na anaferqw sta osa o k. Oimen isxyrizetai, peri ths dhmosiografias thn opoia askei h sygkekrimenh efhmerida kai na epishmanw oti kanei megalo laqos na feretai me ayto ton tropo, qewrwntas oti sthn Ellada mporei na isxysoyn kanones kai diadikasies poy isxyoyn sth dikh toy patrida. Sthn Ellada o Typos einai eleyqeros. Ta oria ths eyqynhs ta orizoyn oi dhmosiografoi sto plaisio ths aytoryqmishs toy leitoyrghmatos toys. Nomizw, loipon, oti tetoioy eidoys symperifores apadoyn toy sygxronoy pneymatos enos nomikoy kai politikoy politismoy, ton opoio exei kerdisei h Eyrwph kai prepei na ton katakthsei kai h Toyrkia.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, mhpws mporeite na mas peite poioi kai poioys amfiboloy entimothtas proteinan ston Prwqypoyrgo gia thn Organwtikh Epitroph ths Olympiadas; Poioys ennoei o Prwqypoyrgos kai poioys toy proteinan;

REPPAS: H analhch ths Olympiadas einai mia megalh diakrish gia thn Ellada. H Olympiada qa diarkesei liges hmeres. H proetoimasia omws, gia na einai epityxhmenh h Olympiada, apaitei xronia. Proetoimasia poy afora ypodomes, kataskeyes, Yphresies. Metajy twn allwn, peran toy programmatos ths Olympiadas, gia na milhsoyme gia epityxia ths diorganwshs, qewroyme ek twn oyk aney proypoqesh th diasfalish ths antikeimenikothtas kai ths diafaneias sth dioikhsh kai th diaxeirish twn kondyliwn. Metajy twn pollwn katallhlwn proswpwn eprepe na epilegoyn oi kalyteroi. Gnwrizete pws enocei ths sygkrothshs ths Organwtikhs Epitrophs, polla grafthkan kai polla syzhthqhkan. O Prwqypoyrgos eprepe na dwsei idiaiterh prosoxh sthn epilogh twn proswpwn, prokeimenoy etsi na ejasfalizetai h amerolhcia, h oydeterothta, h antikeimenikothta stoys xeirismoys toys opoioys qa kanoyn, enocei toy dyskoloy ergoy poy toys exoyme anaqesei. O k. Shmiths -kai prepei na eimaste oloi eilikrineis- den anaferqhke se sygkekrimena proswpa, oyte yponohse Ypoyrgoys, oi opoioi ekanan, dhqen, kapoies protaseis. O Prwqypoyrgos epanelabe to aytonohto, to anamenomeno s' aytes tis periptwseis, poy einai ejairetikes, giati spania mia xwra exei thn timh, exei thn eykairia na diorganwsei mia Olympiada. Logiko einai, loipon, s' aytes tis ejairetikes periptwseis, na energopoioyntai symferonta kai na drasthriopoioyntai mhxanismoi, prokeimenoy na prowqhsoyn kapoies idioteleis epidiwjeis. Emeis qa eprepe, apenanti s' ayto to klima to opoio htan anamenomeno kai fysiologiko na dhmioyrghqei, me tis epiloges poy qa kaname na mhn epitrecoyme opoiadhpote yponoia gia xeirismoys, oi opoioi ejyphretoyn symferonta. Kai nomizw oti h epilogh toy Proedroy kai toy Dieyqynontos Symboyloy, alla kai olwn twn melwn ths Organwtikhs Epitrophs, apoteloyn toy logoy to asfales.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Ayto sas rwthsa: Poia symferonta ton plhsiasan kai poioi kai poioys proteinan;.

REPPAS: O Prwqypoyrgos den milhse gia sygkekrimena onomata h sygkekrimena symferonta. Milhse gia ena klima to opoio antikeimenika dhmioyrgeitai, otan exoyme na antimetwpisoyme tetoia ejairetika zhthmata, opws einai h diorganwsh mias Olympiadas. Kai prepei, gia na bgalei kapoios asfales symperasma, na parakoloyqhsei ton omiloynta, wste ap' ayta poy leei kai ta symfrazomena na antilhfqei ti akribws einai ayto to opoio leei. Mhn prospaqeite na bgalete symperasma, dhmioyrgwntas metajy twn allwn kai entypwseis, xwris na exete ypoch sas pws akribws ejelixqhke ayth h syzhthsh. Sas parakalw, epeidh edwsa safeis ejhghseis kai apanthseis, ayto to qema na qewrhqei oti exei lhjei. Ayto to opoio mas apasxolei einai na symbaloyme oloi, o kaqenas me to diko toy tropo kai apo th dikh toy pleyra, prokeimenoy me antikeimenikothta kai diafaneia na odhghqoyme stis ekdhlwseis ekeines ths Olympiadas, poy kai aytes elpizw na stefqoyn me epityxia. Aytos einai o stoxos mas.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Einai anakoinwsh toy idioy toy Prwqypoyrgoy, kyrie Ekproswpe. Ekdoqhke apo to Grafeio Typoy toy Prwqypoyrgoy. Milaei gia symferonta. Kapoioi toy proteinan kapoioys, poy den htan katallhloi, anentimoi.

REPPAS: O Prwqypoyrgos den milhse gia anentimoys. Anefere th lejh "symferonta" kai den ekane tipote allo para na epanalabei ayto to opoio oloi skepteste. Otan exoyme kataskeyes ergwn, dhmioyrgia megalwn ypodomwn kai yphresiwn, dhmioyrgia newn Organismwn prokeimenoy na antimetwpisoyme tis ypoxrewseis logw ths analhchs ayths ths shmantikhs diorganwshs, logiko einai kapoioi na epidiwkoyn mesw aytwn twn diadikasiwn na prosporistoyn ofelh. Emeis qa eprepe na epilejoyme toys anqrwpoys ekeinoys poy qa xeiristoyn ta ths Olympiadas me tetoio tropo, wste metajy twn allwn na dinetai h entypwsh oti yparxei h antikeimenikothta kai h diafaneia, poly de perissotero apo thn entypwsh na yparxei h bebaiothta, oti me xrhsth dioikhsh kai me diafaneia sth diaxeirish twn kondyliwn qa antimetwpizontai oles aytes oi diadikasies. Kai ayto egine. Ayth einai h qesh mas.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Aytoys toys kapoioys toys entopise o Prwqypoyrgos. Den toys leei toylaxiston kai stoys alloys, na fylagontai kai oi alloi;

REPPAS: Kyrie Stamatopoyle, htan safhs h apanthsh poy edwsa. O Prwqypoyrgos ekane mia anafora genikhs ajias, gia ena qema to opoio gnwrizete oti etsi ki alliws ekdhlwnetai ws symperifora, ekdhlwnetai ws endiaferon, otan exoyme na antimetwpisoyme -epanalambanw- tetoioy eidoys ejairetika gegonota.

MIXAHL: Thn Paraskeyh, meta to Ypoyrgiko Symboylio, otan mas enhmerwsate edw, den anaferate ta osa symperielhfqhsan sthn anakoinwsh toy Grafeioy Typoy toy Prwqypoyrgoy. Erwthma prwton, loipon: Den eixate ejoysiodothsh na ta anaferete h den eipwqhkan sto Ypoyrgiko Symboylio kai ek twn ysterwn prosteqhkan;

REPPAS: Edwsa safeis apanthseis gia thn oysia toy qematos. Qetete ena qema diadikasias. Prwton, ekana mia enhmerwsh gia th syzhthsh toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy kai antilambaneste oti den einai dynaton, proforika opws sas enhmerwnw, na metaferw lejh pros lejh tis syzhthseis oi opoies ginontai ekei. Deyteron, yparxei h anakoinwsh toy Grafeioy Typoy toy Prwqypoyrgoy poy anaferetai s' ayto to qema. Meta th syzhthsh poy egine aytes tis hmeres kai idiaiterws meta tis apanthseis poy edwsa se erwthseis poy prohghqhkan shmera, ola ayta ta qemata exoyn aposafhnistei, wste na mhn yparxei sxetikh aporia.

MIXAHL: Gia mena den exoyn aposafhnistei.

REPPAS: Gia mena exoyn aposafhnistei.

MIXAHL: Egw qa sas qesw ta erwthmata kai eseis mhn apantate, an nomizete oti exoyn aposafhnistei. O Prwqypoyrgos anefere sto Ypoyrgiko Symboylio ayta poy anaferontai sthn anakoinwsh toy Grafeioy Typoy toy kai ta akoysate oloi oi Ypoyrgoi, nai h oxi;

REPPAS: Asfalws to Grafeio Typoy toy Prwqypoyrgoy anaferetai s' ayta poy eipwqhkan. Kai oloi oi Ypoyrgoi oi opoioi htan parontes den ebgalan to symperasma to opoio ebgalan para polloi kai diatypwsan me diaforoys tropoys sta sxolia toys gia to qema ayto.

MIXAHL: Ayto afora ton kaqena, ti symperasmata bgazei. Egw qa hqela na sas pw, afoy anaferqhkan ekei, giati eseis to meshmeri ths Paraskeyhs, meta th lhjh toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy, den mas ta eipate kai ta maqame arga to brady apo th grapth anakoinwsh poy dieneime to Grafeio Typoy toy Prwqypoyrgoy.

REPPAS: Asfalws kai sas ta eipa. Den eipa akribws to idio. Sas eipa oti me ton proforiko logo sas edwsa mia enhmerwsh. Anefera oti o Prwqypoyrgos eipe oti mesa apo tis synergasies h tis ereynes poy ekane, katelhje sto symperasma oti o k. Mpakoyrhs kai oi alles proswpikothtes einai aytoi poy ejasfalizoyn antikeimenikothta, amerolhcia kai diafaneia. Sas to eipa.

MIXAHL: Afoy, loipon, eseis plhrestera mas enhmerwsate edw, tote giati...

REPPAS: Den einai plhrestero h ligotero plhres. Den einai ayto to qema.

MIXAHL: ... tote giati to Grafeio Typoy toy Prwqypoyrgoy eipe ayto. Poios edwse thn entolh -isws o idios o k. Shmiths- na bgalei thn plhrh, an qelete, diatypwsh, opws akribws eipwqhke, arga to brady; Giati to ekane;

REPPAS: Synhqizetai -kai gnwrizete oti yparxei ayth h praktikh- prokeimenoy na ypobohqhqeite kai eseis sto ergo sas, na exete apo to Grafeio Typoy toy Prwqypoyrgoy mia enhmerwsh gia thn parembash toy Prwqypoyrgoy sto Ypoyrgiko Symboylio. Den erxetai se antifash to ena me to allo. To ena exei apolyth synafeia h taytizetai me to allo. Deite ta dyo keimena kai qa diapistwsete oti den yparxei apoklish. Bghkan symperasmata, ta opoia den sthrizontai aparaithtws s' ayta ta opoia eipwqhkan. Kryboyn pollh fantasia ta symperasmata ta opoia bghkan.

MOSXOBAS: Anaferate prohgoymenws oti o Prwqypoyrgos ekane mia anafora kai epishmansh, ekane logo gia eishghseis, opws toylaxiston diabasame sto keimeno toy Grafeioy Typoy, dexthke eishghseis, endexomenws kai pieseis. Apo poioys kai giati; Poioi ekproswpoyn ayta ta symferonta;

REPPAS: Apanthsa s' ayto to qema. Eipa oti exoyn grafei kai exoyn syzhthqei polla kai gnwrizete kai eseis, opws o kaqenas apo emas, oti logiko einai na yparxei kai onomatologia, logiko einai na yparxei kai diatypwsh apocewn gia organwtika sxhmata, epeidh kaqenas o opoios diatypwnei mia apoch, qewrei oti etsi, metajy twn allwn, epitygxanei na prowqei kai dika toy symferonta. O Prwqypoyrgos ekane mia tomh, afoy ta parakoloyqhse ola ayta kai proxwrhse sth synqesh ths Organwtikhs Epitrophs, me tetoio tropo wste na ejasfalizetai kai h proypoqesh ayth, gia thn antikeimenikothta kai th diafaneia. Ayto einai to qema.

MOSXOBAS: Gia eishghseis idiwtwn milame;

REPPAS: Apanthsa kai eipa oti ola ayta ta qemata syzhthqhkan kai grafthkan. Mporei na pei kapoios, mia kai eseis exete empeiria aytwn twn dhmosieymatwn kai twn syzhthsewn, oti yphrje mia kinhtikothta. Yphrje ena klima to opoio dhmioyrghqhke, edw kai arketoys mhnes, enocei ths sygkrothshs ths Organwtikhs Epitrophs. S' ayto to klima to opoio, metajy twn allwn, qa elega oti symperielambane poly "koytsompolio", o Prwqypoyrgos ekane mia tomh, ekane mia yperbash kai proxwrhse s' ayth thn Epitroph.

KARAGIANNH: Kyrie Ypoyrge, ap' osa mas eipate, prokyptei oti o Prwqypoyrgos den anaferotan se kybernhtikoys kykloys otan miloyse gia epidiwjeis. To erwthma moy einai an anaferotan se politikoys kykloys poy den exoyn sxesh me thn Kybernhsh kai deyteron, an einai dynaton na mas dieykrinisete an h anakoinwsh poy ekdoqhke apo to Grafeio Typoy toy Prwqypoyrgoy aphxei epakribws to pneyma toy k. Shmith otan miloyse sth synedriash toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy.

REPPAS: O Prwqypoyrgos den ekane onomastikes anafores. Milhse gia to aytonohto. Ekane mia epishmansh genikhs ajias. To keimeno to opoio ekdoqhke apo to Grafeio toy Prwqypoyrgoy apodidei thn parembash h opoia egine. An oxi kata lejh, apodidei toylaxiston to pneyma ayths ths syzhthshs.

KACAMPELHS: Dhladh, kyrie Ypoyrge, o Prwqypoyrgos zhthse h den zhthse -den exei shmasia, epishma h anepishma- apo armodioys, synarmodioys Ypoyrgoys, emplekomenoys sthn olh istoria, protaseis h oxi gia ta onomata;

REPPAS: O Prwqypoyrgos eixe stenh synergasia me toys armodioys gia ta qemata ths Olympiadas Ypoyrgoys kai sto plaisio ayths ths synergasias kai apoceis antallaje kai alles idees akoyse, gia to pws qa dhmioyrghqoyn oi mhxanismoi, oi foreis h oi diadikasies, prokeimenoy na einai epityxhmenh h diorganwsh. O idios einai aytos o opoios ajiologhse, sto plaisio twn synergasiwn aytwn, oles tis qeseis poy ekfrasthkan kai elabe tis telikes apofaseis. Eixe synergasia o Prwqypoyrgos, asfalws.

KACAMPELHS: Mporeite na mas peite me poioys Ypoyrgoys eixe aytes tis synergasies;

REPPAS: Kyrie Kacampelh, antilambaneste oti eixe synergasia me toys armodioys Ypoyrgoys, me oloys ekeinoys oi opoioi kata kairoys symmeteixan se syskeceis, prokeimenoy na syzhthqoyn ta qemata ths Olympiadas. Syzhthse, prwta apo ola, h Epitroph Qesmwn ths Kybernhshs, sthn opoia symmetexei seira Ypoyrgwn. Argotera, to qema ayto apasxolhse mia poly mikroterh omada Ypoyrgwn poy exoyn mia poly pio stenh sxesh kai synafeia me ta qemata ths Olympiadas. O Prwqypoyrgos eixe tis dikes toy synergasies, me Ypoyrgoys poy asxoloyntai me ta qemata ayta. Ajiologhse olo ayto to yliko, olon ayton ton problhmatismo kai elabe tis apofaseis toy.

MOYRTZHS: Mporeite na apanthsete, ean o kyklos epirrown kai epidiwjewn poy epikalesthke o Prwqypoyrgos, brisketai entos ths Ellados h einai ektos; Giati h fantasia mas, opws eipate, kalpazei. Mporoyme, dhladh, na toys entajoyme se ena allo kratos;

REPPAS: Mporei na entajete otidhpote qelete, opoy qelete. Einai diko sas qema. Ayto to opoio epanalambanw einai oti o Prwqypoyrgos den anaferqhke se kati sygkekrimeno, afoy den onomase kati sygkekrimeno. Afoy, loipon, den onomase kai den anaferqhke se kati sygkekrimeno, den einai dynaton na syzhtoyme, prosdiorizontas to ti einai ayto poy ennooyse. O Prwqypoyrgoys yponohse oti oloi prepei na eimaste prosektikoi, giati logiko einai idiwtika symferonta na epidiwkoyn na ekmetalleytoyn oles aytes tis diadikasies, enocei ths Olympiadas. Kai qa prepei emeis, me tis epiloges poy qa kanoyme, na ejasfalisoyme diafaneia kai antikeimenikothta. Ayto eipe.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: O Prwqypoyrgos eipe h den eipe oti dexqhke eishghseis;

REPPAS: Kyrie Mpogiopoyle, apanthsa gia ola ayta ta qemata. O Prwqypoyrgos, asfalws dexqhke eishghseis gia polla qemata poy aforoyn thn Organwsh ths Olympiadas. Dhmioyrgoyntai foreis, jekinoyn diadikasies, prepei na ginoyn erga. Einai dynaton gia ola ayta ta qemata na mhn exei synergasia o Prwqypoyrgos me toys Ypoyrgoys toy;

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Einai akribes ayto poy apotypwqhke sthn anakoinwsh toy Grafeioy Typoy toy Prwqypoyrgoy oti apo aytes tis eishghseis poy dexqhke, ebgale kai ta symperasmata peri epidiwjewn; Ayto einai akribes, opws diatypwqhke sthn anakoinwsh;

REPPAS: Sas eipa k. Mpogiopoyle oti dexqhke eishghseis gia diafora qemata o Prwqypoyrgos. Ajiologhse oles aytes tis eishghseis kai elabe tis apofaseis toy.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Ma den moy apantate.

REPPAS: Sas parakalw para poly. Exete ena epishmo keimeno, to opoio exei ekdoqei apo to Grafeio Typoy toy Prwqypoyrgoy. Epishmo keimeno einai.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Poioi einai aytoi. Giati den mas toys lete;

REPPAS: H Kybernhsh exei thn eyqynh gi' ayto to keimeno.

MOSXOBAS: Apo tis apanthseis poy dwsate prohgoymenws prokyptei oti oi eishghseis poy dexqhke o Prwqypoyrgos htan monon apo Ypoyrgoys...

REPPAS: Gia qemata poy aforoyn th diorganwsh ths Olympiadas. H Epitroph Qesmwn ths Boylhs asxolhqhke prwta, gia to poia organa prepei na dhmioyrghqoyn. Asfalws, dexqhke eishghseis gia ayta ta qemata.

MOSXOBAS: Ara, s' aytes tis eishghseis anaferetai o Prwqypoyrgos;

REPPAS: Kyrie Mosxoba, apanthsa gia ayta ta qemata. Parakalw kapoion allon, gia to idio qema, an qelei na rwthsei, eyxaristws.

MOYRTZHS: Giati mas zhtate "na tetragwnisoyme ton kyklo" gia na broyme poioi einai aytoi oi kykloi. Den exoyn onomatepwnymo aytoi oi kykloi;

REPPAS: Sas parakalw para poly, na meinete s' aytes tis ejhghseis. Milame gia to antikeimeniko gegonos, to opoio allwste htan kai anamenomeno, opws se kaqe tetoia periptwsh.

LAKOPOYLOS: Yparxei endexomeno na teqei qema kommatikhs peiqarxias kata thn chfish toy forologikoy nomosxedioy;

REPPAS: Apanthsa se sxetikh erwthsh. Einai yperbolh na syzhtoyme gia mia dioikhtikoy h astynomikoy typoy kommatikh peiqarxia. Kaqe boyleyths exei synaisqhsh ths eyqynhs kai se ayth thn eyqynh, thn opoia prepei na apodeiknyei, nomizw oti peiqarxei. Einai qema toy kaqe boyleyth na antapokriqei se ayth thn ypoxrewsh toy.

LAKOPOYLOS: To deytero erwthma moy einai to ejhs: O Grammateas ths Kentrikhs Epitrophs toy PASOK kai boyleyths toy PASOK k. Skandalidhs eipe me arketh safhneia oti yparxoyn Ypoyrgoi oi opoioi erhmhn twn kommatikwn organwn kai makria apo to pneyma syllogikothtas poy o idios o Prwqypoyrgos exei dwsei entolh na isxyei sto PASOK, lambanoyn apofaseis kai aifnidiazoyn. Symmerizeste ayth thn apoch;

REPPAS: Milhse gia Ypoyrgoys o k. Skandalidhs;

LAKOPOYLOS: Eipe gia kybernhtikoys qylakes. Alimono, an ennoei katw apo Ypoyrgoys. Ypoqetw oti ennoei Ypoyrgoys.

REPPAS: Prwta apo ola h Kybernhsh, gnwrizete poly kala, exei egkaqidrysei sthn Ellada th diadikasia toy koinwnikoy dialogoy. Eimaste mia Kybernhsh h opoia pisteyei sto dialogo. Idiaiterws pisteyoyme sthn ajia toy dialogoy, giati nomizoyme oti ta problhmata ths xwras antimetwpizontai mesa apo th synennohsh kai th synergasia. Den einai dynaton mesw ths antiparaqeshs, h opoia dialyei oysiastika thn koinwnikh synoxh kai ejoydeterwnei tis gonimes dynameis toy Eqnoys, na odhghqoyme se qetika apotelesmata. Qa exoyme apotyxies ws xwra, ws koinwnia. Epiqymoyme, loipon, th synennohsh kai th synergasia olwn twn dynamewn. Ayto omws, den shmainei oti h Kybernhsh qa stamathsei na kyberna. O kaqenas exei to diko toy rolo. H Kybernhsh, bebaiws, ajiopoiei tis diadikasies dialogoy. Apo ekei kai pera omws, erxetai h wra, meta to dialogo, poy h Kybernhsh prepei na labei tis apofaseis ths gia sygkekrimena qemata. Kai einai poly megalo to qema, to opoio mas apasxolei oloys, twn zhmiogonwn epixeirhsewn toy Dhmosioy h twn epixeirhsewn poy einai elleimmatikes, poy paroysiazoyn elleimmata ekatontadwn disekatommyriwn draxmwn. Mporoyme na meinoyme adiaforoi; Jerete oti h Kybernhsh den exei to pronomio na krinetai apo toys logoys h tis qeseis, tis opoies paroysiazei sto plaisio mias diadikasias dialogoy. Prepei na kriqei apo to ergo ths. Gia na proxwrhsei, omws, to kybernhtiko ergo, prepei na lhfqoyn apofaseis. An den lhfqoyn apofaseis gia ayta ta toso krisima zhthmata, gia poia qemata kaleitai h Kybernhsh na labei apofaseis;

Ara, loipon, bebaiws o dialogos exei thn ajia toy. Symmerizomaste apolytws ayth th qesh kai gi' ayto proxwroyme se diadikasies dialogoy, xwris apo thn allh, na qewreitai oti exoyme apekdyqei ths eyqynhs na pairnoyme tis apofaseis mas, prokeimenoy na prowqhsoyme to kybernhtiko ergo.

KACAMPELHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, dyo pragmata: S' aytes tis synergasies poy eixe o Prwqypoyrgos me toys synarmodioys Ypoyrgoys, oi syzhthseis aforoysan onomata mono, krithria, diadikasies ti aforoysan; Kai deyteron, hqela na mas peite ean ejairoymenwn twn ej ofitsio melwn katalabainoyme oti an xreiastei na allajoyn, mporei na allajoyn, an qewreite oti mellontika mporei na exoyme allages sth synqesh ths Epitrophs.

REPPAS: Prwton, o Prwqypoyrgos eixe synergasia me toys synarmodioys Ypoyrgoys, kai basei ths eishghshs poy toy kateqese h Epitroph Qesmwn ths Kybernhshs poy asxoleitai me to qema ayto. Syzhthse mazi toys, epanalambanw, qemata poy aforoyn tis ypodomes, tis kataskeyes, tis diadikasies, ta krithria ta opoia eprepe na prytaneysoyn gia na ginoyn oi epiloges kai twn proswpwn. Den syzhthse gia proswpa. Ta proswpa ta epeleje o Prwqypoyrgos. Htan dikhs toy epiloghs, metajy twn allwn me krithria oxi kommatika bebaiws, pelateiaka h politika, alla antikeimenika, prokeimenoy aytoi poy qa analaboyn to sygkekrimeno ergo na exoyn kai thn ejwqen kalh martyria afenos, afeteroy na exoyn gnwseis kai eparkeia, gia na antimetwpisoyn me epityxia ta kaqhkonta poy toys anatiqentai. To allo qema to opoio qetete, to exoyme apanthsei. Eipame oti h Organwtikh Epitroph, otan systaqei h Anwnymh Etairia, qa apotelesei me th synqesh poy exei shmera to Dioikhtiko Symboylio ths.

KACAMPELHS: Den sas rwthsa ayto. An ejairoymenwn twn ej ofitsio melwn -aytonohto to giati- qewreite ws Kybernhsh oti mellontika mporei na xreiastoyn metaboles sth synqesh ths 15adas.

REPPAS: Jerete ti moy lete k. Kacampelh; An to kybernhtiko sxhma kapoia stigmh kriqei skopimo na allajei, na sas pw apo twra an qa allajei. Gnwrizete poly kala oti h epilogh poy egine gia ta sygkekrimena proswpa, einai epilogh poy exei baqos xronoy. Apo kei kai pera, den antimetwpizei tetoio qema o Prwqypoyrgos. H Kybernhsh den asxoleitai me ayto to qema. Pisteyoyme oti h synqesh einai para poly kalh, wste h Organwtikh Epitroph na mporei na ferei se peras to ergo to opoio ths anaqesame.

KAMPOYRGIANNH : Me aformh synenteyjh toy Ypoyrgoy Eswterikwn se toyrkikh efhmerida, qa hqela na rwthsw an metaballetai h bhma pros bhma proseggish me thn Toyrkia. Mexri twra miloysame gia prosfygh sto Dieqnes Dikasthrio ths Xaghs giat hn yfalokrhpida kai ta Imia. Twra leme sthn Toyrkia na paei ena paketo qematwn ta opoia aptontai akomh kai ths eqnikhs mas asfaleias.

REPPAS: O k. Pagkalos, se synenteyjh poy paraxwrhse, epanalambanei tis pagies ellhnikes qeseis. H politikh ths proseggishs bhma pros bhma me thn Toyrkia, einai politikh h opoia paramenei ws epilogh ths Kybernhshs mas, giati qewroyme oti einai h orqh politikh. Ti einai ayto to opoio exei prokalesei, isws, kapoia sygxysh; Mesa apo syzhthseis oi opoies eginan tis teleytaies hmeres, antilambanomai pws exoyn doqei tetoies ermhneies poy den exoyn antikrysma alhqeias. Kai ejhgoymai: Gnwrizete poly kala oti metajy twn allwn, prokeimenoy h Toyrkia na labei meros sthn Eyrwpaikh Diaskech ths exei teqei ws oros na dhlwsei oti qa dexqei th genikh dikaiodosia toy Dikasthrioy ths Xaghs. H qesh thn opoia diatypwse o k. Pagkalos -kai einai qesh ths Ellhnikhs Kybernhshs- leei to poly safes, gia to opoio milhsa thn prohgoymenh ebdomada, apantwntas se sxetikes erwthseis ki egw: Anti h Toyrkia me thn atakth stratiwtikh drash poy anaptyssei, me tropo epiqetiko kai proklhtiko, se baros ths Elladas, na epidiwkei na probalei tis ajiwseis ths, as paraithqei apo tis ajiwseis h an den to mporei, giati ayth einai h politikh ths, toylaxiston as apofygei ayth th symperifora kai as apeyqynqei sto Dikasthrio ths Xaghs, toy opoioy prohgoymenws prepei na anagnwrisei th dikaiodosia, gia na qesei ta qemata ths. Den kanoyme emeis kapoia sygkekrimenh protash. Apla epishmainoyme oti sthn Eyrwph ta opoia problhmata qewrei kapoios pws yparxoyn, qa prepei na ta qetei sto Dikasthrio ths Xaghs, anti na anaptyssei stratiwtikh drasthriothta. Anti na dinei, dhladh, ena polemiko xarakthra sthn ejwterikh politikh toy. Ayto eipe o k. Pagkalos kai ayto einai h qesh ths Kybernhshs. H politikh ths bhma pros bhma proseggishs paramenei. Pisteyoyme oti ayta einai ta qemata ta opoia mporoyn na apasxolhsoyn tis dyo xwres. Apo kei kai pera, ypodeiknyoyme sthn Toyrkia enan allo tropo symperiforas. Anti na exoyme aytes tis parabiaseis kai parabaseis, anti na exoyme ayth thn anaptyjh twn stratiwtikwn dynamewn ths, kata tropo proklhtiko kai epiqetiko, thn kaloyme, an exei kapoia qemata na qesei, na ta qesei me ton tropo poy alles xwres qetoyn ta dika toys qemata sto Dieqnes Dikasthrio ths Xaghs.

KAMPOYRGIANNH: Dhladh qa hmastan ikanopoihmenoi an h Toyrkia epelege na prosfygei sto Dieqnes Dikasthrio ths Xaghs me ena qema opws h apostratikopoihsh twn nhsiwn h gia ton enaerio xwro ...

REPPAS: An h Toyrkia dexqei th dikaiodosia toy Dikasthrioy ths Xaghs, tote den mporeis na thn empodiseis na odhghsei opoio qema ekeinh epilegei sto Dikasthrio ths Xaghs. Opws, den mporeis na empodiseis kai opoiondhpote allon o opoios exei dexqei th genikh dikaiodosia toy Dieqnoys Dikasthrioy. Opws th dikh mas xwra den mporei na thn empodisei opoiosdhpote na ferei sto Dikasthrio ths Xaghs qemata poy qewrei oti exoyn th qesh toys kai prepei na antimetwpizontai apo to Dikasthrio. Den einai epilogh dikh mas. Einai kati to opoio ej antikeimenoy mporei na ginei, an to apofasisei kapoia xwra, h opoia bebaiws exei dexqei th dikaiodosia toy Dieqnoys Dikasthrioy.

KAMPOYRGIANNH: Ma, emeis kyrie Ypoyrge, den dexomaste th dikaiodosia toy Dieqnoys Dikasthrioy gia orismena qemata eqnikhs asfaleias.

REPPAS: Asfalws, loipon, qa exoyme kai emeis tis apanthseis mas gi' ayta ta qemata. As anagnwrisei h Toyrkia th genikh dikaiodosia toy Dikasthrioy ths Xaghs kai as ejairesei aytoy toy eidoys ta qemata apo thn anagnwrish sthn opoia qa probei kai tote mporoyme na syzhthsoyme pali, gia na mhn proxwrhsoyme twra se ypoqeseis kai dhmioyrgoyme senaria ta opoia den exoyn bash. Ayto to opoio epanalambanw kai prepei na einai safes einai toyto: Ayth einai h pagia ellhnikh ejwterikh politikh. Tipota kainoyrgio den prostiqetai. Apla, kaleitai h Toyrkia na synacei sxeseis me to Dikasthrio ths Xaghs, na anagnwrisei th genikh dikaiodosia toy kai apo kei kai pera na stamathsei na symperiferetai me ton tropo poy symperiferetai shmera, ws dieqnhs tarajias. Ayto einai poy zhtoyme.

PAYLOPOYLOS: Dyo dieykrinistikes erwthseis poy proekycan apo tis apanthseis sas. Prwth: Opws exete diatypwsei eseis kai o k. Pagkalos epaneilhmmenws, h qewria ths bhma pros bhma proseggishs h opoia isxyrizeste shmera oti menei aparallakth, qetei ws prwto bhma na prosfygei h Toyrkia gia ta Imia sto Dieqnes Dikasthrio ths Xaghs, dedomenoy bebaiws oti qa exei dexqei th dikaiodosia ayth, epeidh einai dikh ths diekdikhsh. Emeis leme oti einai ellhniko edafos. Na prosfygei ayth kai meta qa erqoyn ola ta ypoloipa. O k. Pagkalos se synenteyjh toy eipe oti "as dextei h Toyrkia, dioti mporei ki emeis na pame ta Imia sto Dieqnes Dikasthrio ths Xaghs". Isxyei ayto h kanw laqos;

REPPAS: Prin h Toyrkia dexqei thn anagkastikh dikaiodosia toy Dikasthrioy ths Xaghs, syzhtoyme peripoy sto keno. Parakalw poly, ayto to opoio leme kai to epanalambanw einai toyto: H Toyrkia na dexqei th genikh dikaiodosia toy Dikasthrioy ths Xaghs. Kai etsi mesw toy Dikasthrioy na antimetwpizei ta qemata ta opoia apoteloyn ajiwseis ths h qemata ta opoia qewrei oti prepei na probalei. Kai na stamathsei epiteloys ayth th symperifora se baros ths Elladas. Ayto einai poy apotelei, an qelete, mia idea, mia qesh thn opoia diatypwnoyme epishmws. Na stamathsei ayth h symperifora ths Toyrkias kai gia opoia qemata thn apasxoloyn, as anagnwrisei to Dikasthrio ths Xaghs, as qesei ekei ta qemata kai yparxoyn apanthseis.

PAYLOPOYLOS: An katalaba kala, leme sthn Toyrkia na dexqei th dikaiodosia toy Dieqnoys Dikasthrioy ths Xaghs, ejairwntas kai ayth ta qemata poy aptontai ths eqnikhs asfaleias;

REPPAS: Emeis leme oti to Dieqnes Dikasthrio ths Xaghs einai ena organo to opoio mporei na ajiopoihqei, giati mporei na dwsei lyseis se polla problhmata. Kaloyme thn Toyrkia na ajiopoihsei ayto to organo. Epiqymoyme na mh dexqei periorismoys. Alla ayto einai kati to opoio ayth thn wra fantazei poly, otan den exei dexqei kan th genikh dikaiodosia. Poso mallon na th dexqei xwris periorismoys.

T. MPERMPERAKHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, qa hqela kapoio sxolio sto oti sth shmerinh "MILIET" dhmosieyetai synenteyjh-apanthsh toy k. Etzebit ston k. Pagkalo me thn opoia ton kalei sthn Agkyra, me th logikh toy oti ta problhmata metajy twn dyo xwrwn prwta prepei na apotelesoyn antikeimeno dialogoy kai san katalhjh aytoy toy dialogoy merika pragmata mporoyn na pane sto Dikasthrio ths Xaghs.

REPPAS: Einai h politikh thn opoia proteinei edw kai para poly kairo h Toyrkia. Den mas briskei symfwnoys ayth h politikh. Den einai dynaton na syzhthsoyme gia qemata ta opoia exoyn ryqmistei me Dieqneis Synqhkes h exoyn dhmioyrghqei ws aporroia twn kanonwn toy Dieqnoys Dikaioy. M' ayth thn ennoia, den antimetwpizoyme thn prosklhsh ayth qetika. Kaloyme thn Toyrkia, antiqetws, na symperiferetai opws oles oi alles xwres ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs, prokeimenoy na entaxqei s' ayto to dieqnes systhma, poy exei sygkekrimenoys kanones, basei twn opoiwn ryqmizontai ta qemata poy apasxoloyn tis xwres ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs.

KARASABBA: Hqela na rwthsw, an h krish sto Kapitwlio exei ephreasei tis sxeseis ths Amerikhs me thn Ellada. Kai an sygkekrimena exoyn anablhqei h akyrwqei episkeceis, opws h anamenomenh episkech toy k. Xolmproyk h kapoiwn allwn Amerikanwn ajiwmatoyxwn sthn perioxh.

REPPAS: Den gnwrizw na exei diataraxqei h Ellhnoamerikanikh synergasia. Gnwrizw antiqetws oti o k. Klhridhs, o Proedros ths Kyproy, se prosfath omilia toy, eipe oti meta tis ekloges, prokeitai na ekdhlwqei h prwtoboylia toy k. Xolmproyk gia to Kypriako qema.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Mporeite na mas peite gia poia apo ekeina ta qemata, ta opoia h Toyrkia emfanizei ws ellhnotoyrkikes diafores, h Ellada den anagnwrizei th dikaiodosia toy Dikasthrioy ths Xaghs;

REPPAS: Gnwrizete poly kala oti thn armodiothta toy Dikasthrioy den thn anagnwrizoyme gia qemata amynas kai asfaleias ths xwras mas. Ayth einai h qesh mas. Apo ekei kai pera, epeidh emmesws h kai amesws anaferesqe stis ellhnotoyrkikes sxeseis, sas lew oti yparxei to qema ths yfalokrhpidas poy pragmati mporei na apotelesei antikeimeno syzhthshs, prokeimenoy na epilyqei kai yparxei kai to qema ths Imias, to opoio prokalese h Toyrkia. Kai gia to qema ayto thn exoyme kalesei na analabei sygkekrimenes prwtoboylies, prokeimenoy kai ayto na antimetwpistei kai na lyqei. Den yparxoyn alla qemata.

MOYRTHS: O k. Pagkalos anefere dyo akomh qemata: Toy enaerioy xwroy kai ton ejoplismo twn ellhnikwn nhsiwn. Gia ta dyo ayta qemata h Kybernhsh qewrei oti anagnwrizei th dikaiodosia toy Dikasthrioy ths Xaghs;

REPPAS: Gia ta qemata ayta exoyme isxyres qeseis. Den apoteloyn antikeimeno syzhthshs sto Dikasthrio ths Xaghs. Emeis den einai dynaton, gia ta qemata ayta poy exoyme toso safh politikh, na dhmioyrghsoyme qema syzhthshs. Einai lymena ayta ta qemata gia emas.

BLAXOS: Pws sxoliazete to gkalop twn NEWN poy deixnei ptwsh ths dhmotikothtas Shmith;

REPPAS: Exw pei kat' epanalhch, oti oi dhmoskophseis apodidoyn tis protimhseis ths koinhs gnwmhs mia dedomenh stigmh. Gnwrizete poly kala oti polles dhmoskophseis exoyn ginei kai qa ginoyn mexri na oloklhrwsei h Kybernhsh th qhteia ths. Ayto to opoio epidiwkoyme einai na oloklhrwsoyme me epityxia th qhteia mas kai stis kalpes opoy ginetai h pragmatikh, dhmokratikh kai kyriarxh dhmoskophsh na exoyme thn empistosynh ths pleiochfias toy ellhnikoy laoy, ekfrasmenh dia ths chfoy toy. Ayto epidiwkoyme kai ayto qa epityxoyme.

MOSXOBAS: Ti exete na mas peite gia tis aitiaseis twn kyriwn Peponh kai Papaqemelh oti epixeireitai alloiwsh ths fysiognwmias toy PASOK.

REPPAS: Gnwrizete para poly kala oti to kybernhtiko ergo, mesa kai apo thn chfish sxetikwn nomwn, einai ergo to opoio antapokrinetai stis programmatikes ejaggelies mas. Allwste, toys nomoys aytoys toys exoyn chfisei oloi oi boyleytes toy PASOK, poy shmainei oti oloi mazi symfwnoyme pws to plaisio entos toy opoioy ejelissetai to kybernhtiko ergo, einai to plaisio ideologias kai politikhs to opoio antapokrinetai sth fysiognwmia toy PASOK. M' ayth thn ennoia, o problhmatismos poy anaptyssetai einai gonimos kai paragwgikos, einai apodektos, arkei oloi mazi na enwsoyme tis dynameis mas, prokeimenoy to kybernhtiko ergo, mesa apo thn chfish kiolas twn sxetikwn nomwn, na proxwrhsei me thn idia epityxia kai sto mellon.

Sas eyxaristw.

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