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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 23.1.1998

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO DHMHTRH REPPA

Geia sas.

Synedriase shmera to Ypoyrgiko Symboylio. Syzhthse dyo qemata. To ena afora tis diatajeis toy arqroy 19 toy Kwdika Iqageneias poy isxyei apo to 1955. To allo qema afora thn poiothta, ta agaqa, tis yphresies kai tis leitoyrgies sto dhmosio kai ton idiwtiko tomea.

* Oson afora to prwto qema: To Ypoyrgiko Symboylio apofasise shmera thn katarghsh toy arqroy 19 toy Nomoqetikoy Diatagmatos 3370/1955 gia th dynatothta afaireshs ths ellhnikhs iqageneias apo allogeneis, efoson egkataleipoyn thn Ellada, me skopo mh epistrofhs. Syntoma, qa katateqei sth Boylh sxetiko nomosxedio. H Ellada exei katakthsei ychlo deikth sthn klimaka ths prostasias twn anqrwpinwn dikaiwmatwn kai ths perifroyrhshs twn politikwn eleyqeriwn. H patrida mas brisketai se poly ychlo epipedo sth Dieqnh Koinothta, oson afora qemata isonomias kai isopoliteias. Sthn prospaqeia mas na beltiwnoyme synexws thn politikh mas s' aytoys toys tomeis, apofasisame shmera thn katarghsh toy sygkekrimenoy arqroy.

H apofash den exei anadromikh isxy. Shmeiwnw, aplws, oti kai to Syntagma ths xwras, sto arqro 111, problepei oti to sygkekrimeno arqro (19), isxyei mexri thn katarghsh toy. Apo tote, dhladh, eixe ypodeixqei o dromos ths katarghshs ths sygkekrimenhs diatajhs, kapoia stigmh. Ayth th nomoqetikh prwtoboylia analambanei syntoma h Ellhnikh Kybernhsh.

* Oson afora ta qemata poiothtas: Ta qemata ayta ta opoia aforoyn toso ta proionta, oso kai tis yphresies h tis leitoyrgies toy idiwtikoy alla kai toy dhmosioy tomea anaferontai se oles sxedon tis perioxes armodiothtwn. Gi' ayto akribws apotelesan kai antikeimeno syzhthshs se epipedo Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy, afoy oloi oi Ypoyrgoi exoyn allos perissotero kai allos ligotero, qemata ta opoia prepei na antimetwpisoyn kai yp' ayto to prisma. Ths ejasfalishs, dhladh, ths poiothtas gia ta proionta ta opoia paragoyn h tis yphresies tis opoies parexoyn. Gnwrizete poly kala oti o dieqnhs antagwnismos epiballei pleon na enisxysoyme thn antagwnistikh mas qesh, oxi sth bash toy xamhloy ergatikoy kostoys, alla kyriws -ayto ginetai sto sygxrono kosmo- sth bash ths poiothtas twn proiontwn kai twn yphresiwn.

Ayto htan se genikes grammes to pneyma ths syzhthshs mas. Pio sygkekrimena:

-To Ypoyrgeio Anaptyjhs exei khryjei to 1998 etos poiothtas. Exoyn analhfqei sygkekrimenes prwtoboylies. Exei idryqei Eqniko Symboylio Poiothtas gia na parakoloyqei ta sxetika qemata. Opws epishs idryetai, sto plaisio toy Ypoyrgeioy, mhtrwo pistopoihshs twn epixeirhsewn, oi opoies exoyn epityxei na entaxqoyn ta proionta toys sto gnwsto se sas systhma ISO. Yparxei sygkekrimenh drash poy exei analhfqei. Mikromesaies epixeirhseis, oi opoies qa epidiwjoyn thn pistopoihsh twn proiontwn toys sto systhma ISO, qa epidotoyntai sto 75% twn dapanwn toys gia thn prospaqeia ayth.

-Sto Ypoyrgeio Eswterikwn, metajy twn allwn, exoyme mia prosfath drash. H sxetikh apofash teqhke hdh se leitoyrgia kai afora thn paroxh plhroforiwn, mesw thlefwnoy h thn ejyphrethsh gia thn ekdosh pistopoihtikwn, mesw aithmatos poy ypoballetai thlefwnika.

-Sth Genikh Grammateia Dhmosiwn Ergwn, meta apo diagwnismo, jekina th leitoyrgia toy o Eidikos Symboylos Poiotikoy Elegxoy (E.S.P.EL.) twn dhmosiwn ergwn. Ypologizetai oti perissotera apo 1.500 erga se olh thn Ellada qa elegxqoyn gia thn poiothta toys.

-Epishs, yparxei Genikh Dieyqynsh h opoia idryqhke prokeimenoy, peran olwn twn allwn, na elegxei thn poiothta, to sxediasmo kai thn ektelesh twn dhmosiwn ergwn.

-Meta apo protaseis toy Ypoyrgeioy Gewrgias, oloklhrwnetai syntomotata h synergasia twn synarmodiwn Ypoyrgwn kai proxwroyme sthn idrysh eniaioy forea elegxoy ths poiothtas twn trofimwn. Einai kati poy leipei sthn patrida mas. Tetoios Organismos se alles xwres leitoyrgei edw kai polla xronia. Proxwroyme, loipon, sthn idrysh enos analogoy Organismoy sthn patrida mas.

-Sto Ypoyrgeio Ergasias, leitoyrgei, me ta prwta tmhmata toy, edw kai ligo kairo, to Eqniko Parathrhthrio Apasxolhshs. Stoxos mas einai na dhmioyrghsoyme se olh th xwra 54 tetoia parathrhthria, ta opoia syllegoyn stoixeia kai plhrofories gia tis anagkes ths agoras ergasias. Enhmerwnontai oi endiaferomenoi. Yparxei, dhladh, mia episthmonikh diamesolabhsh, tekmhriwmenh, wste na synantwntai aytoi oi opoioi zhtoyn na apasxolhsoyn ergatiko dynamiko kai aytoi oi opoioi zhtoyn mia qesh ergasias.

Ola ayta ta qemata epiballoyn, epeidh qewroyme oti einai krisima, se kaqe Ypoyrgeio, th dhmioyrgia mias eyelikths omadas poy qa parakoloyqei ta qemata poiothtas. Kai bebaiws, th se orizontia pia sxesh - synergasia kaqe Yphresias me toys foreis aytoys poy exoyn eniaio h eidiko xarakthra, prokeimenoy na yparxei syntonismos drashs kai ta apotelesmata na einai amesws metrhsima.

Apo th drash ayth, kaqe Ypoyrgeio mexri telos Aprilioy qa ypobalei sygkekrimeno sxedio drashs gia proionta h yphresies poy paragei kai parexei. Metajy twn allwn, sto plaisio aytoy toy "etoys poiothtas" qa doqoyn brabeia, qa organwqoyn ekdhlwseis, qa ginoyn seminaria, prokeimenoy to qema ths poiothtas na anadeixqei.

Kleinw ayth th mikrh anafora, legontas oti h Ypoyrgos Anaptyjhs qa dwsei thn erxomenh Trith synenteyjh Typoy gia ta qemata ayta.

Epishs, qa moy epitrecete na epishmanw oti ta qemata ayta pragmatika einai poly shmantika. Oysiastika, enw katarghqhkan sto plaisio ths Koinothtas, fer' eipein, oi periorismoi gia ta synora, h poiothta einai ayth h opoia telika dhmioyrgei nea synora, afoy sto plaisio toy antagwnismoy, aytos poy paragei poiotika proionta, ektopizei ta mh poiotika. Dhladh, mporei kai pali na dhmioyrghqoyn synora metajy twn isxyrwn poy paragoyn poiotika proionta kai parexoyn ychloy epipedoy kai poiothtas yphresies kai twn allwn poy adynatoyn na prajoyn to idio.

Kai mia deyterh epishmansh, h opoia sxetizetai me to oti h poiothta afora toys polloys, kyriws toys adynamoys. Gnwrizete poly kala, allwste, oti oi oikonomika isxyroi mporoyn na ejasfalisoyn thn ap' aytoys epiqymhth poiothta twn proiontwn, twn trofimwn poy katanalwnoyn h twn yphresiwn me ton ployto h thn oikonomikh dynamh poy diaqetoyn. Ara, ta qemata poiothtas aforoyn toys polloys, aforoyn to meso polith, gi' ayto akribws apoteloyn kai gia mas ena poly shmantiko kefalaio gia thn kybernhtikh politikh mas.

* Eisagwgika, o Prwqypoyrgos ekane kapoies poly syntomes epishmanseis. Anaferqhke sta problhmata poy parathroyntai ston agrotiko tomea kai epishmane, kanontas idiaiterh mneia sto elaiolado kai sta esperidoeidh, oti den qa prepei na epitrecoyme thn parabiash ths koinotikhs nomoqesias h twn kanonwn poy exei qespisei h Agrotikh Trapeza Elladas, prokeimenoy na fanoyme eyxaristoi se omades paragwgwn poy exoyn probei se paranomes prajeis. Qa prepei na parameinoyme staqera kai ametakinhta sthn yperaspish twn entimwn, twn diafanwn diadikasiwn, poy prepei kai ston tomea ayto na yperisxyoyn. Anaferqhke, epishs, se skeceis oi opoies eginan kai se synergasies tis opoies kai o idios eixe gia th sygkrothsh ths Organwtikhs Epitrophs ths Olympiadas toy 2004. Anaferqhke idiaitera ston epilegenta Dieyqynonta Symboylo k. Kwsta Mpakoyrh kai eipe oti, metajy twn allwn, epeidh akribws prepei na ejasfalisoyme thn antikeimenikothta kai th diafaneia sth diaxeirish kai tis leitoyrgies, o k. Mpakoyrhs eggyatai thn epiteyjh aytoy toy stoxoy. O Prwqypoyrgos hqele me ayto ton tropo na shmeiwsei oti egine enas elegxos, mia ereyna -qa elega- prokeimenoy aytos o opoios qa etiqeto epikefalhs ths poly shmantikhs eqnikhs prospaqeias, na einai bebaio oti den exei opoiesdhpote ejarthseis h tetoies sxeseis, oi opoies qa mporoysan na dhmioyrghsoyn yponoies gia dikh toy merolhptikh stash, enocei twn krisimwn qematwn ta opoia kaleitai na antimetwpisei. Egine, epishs, anafora, opws kai sto parelqon exei ginei, sthn anagkh oloi oi Ypoyrgoi na enteinoyme thn prospaqeia mas, giati se polles periptwseis parathroyntai kaqysterhseis. Einai oi eggeneis dysxereies ths Dioikhshs, ta grafeiokratika empodia, sthn prospaqeia stelexwshs Yphresiwn, oi opoies einai neyralgikes, opws aytes gia ton elegxo twn periballontologikwn meletwn. Para polloi synadelfoi poy elaban argotera to logo epeshmanan qemata poy aforoyn dikh toys armodiothta kai den einai eykolo na prowqhqoyn me to ryqmo poy kai oi idioi qa hqelan, epeidh akribws leipei to episthmoniko dynamiko poy einai aparaithto. Ayto einai epishs mia genikh epishmansh. Einai ena qema, ena stoixhma -qa elega- to opoio paramenei synexws anoixto. Prepei na to kerdisoyme.

SOYRMELIDHS: To arqro 19 antikaqistatai apo kapoio allo arqro. Egine kapoia syzhthsh gia to qema ayto sto Ypoyrgiko Symboylio;

REPPAS: To arqro 19 katargeitai. Den antikaqistatai h diatajh ayth me allh. Den exei anadromikh isxy. Aplws, h nomoqetikh prwtoboylia mas anaferetai se katarghsh toy sygkekrimenoy arqroy. Kata th syzhthsh toy qematos elaban to logo diaforoi Ypoyrgoi. H apofash poy elabe to Ypoyrgiko Symboylio einai omofwnh.

KIAOS: Gia to deytero qema poy milhsate, thn poiothta, epeidh anaferqhkate sto oti qa ginoyn diafores epitropes, o Ellhnikos Organismos Typopoihshs -o ELOT- poy yparxei, ti qa kanei pleon; Rwtw epeidh den ton anaferate oyte mia fora.

REPPAS: O ELOT einai enas Foreas, o opoios leitoyrgei xronia sthn patrida mas. Exei poly shmantiko ergo na paroysiasei. Prosfata, eksygxronisthke to qesmiko plaisio kai metatraphke se anwnymh etaireia. Prosferei thn texnognwsia toy kai yposthrizei alles draseis sto synolo toy Dhmosioy, oson afora qemata poiothtas kai typopoihshs idiaiterws. Ta qemata poiothtas aforoyn ena megalo fasma leitoyrgiwn kai drasthriothtwn. Ypo ayto to prisma syzhthqhkan shmera.

KIAOS: Merimna, meta thn katarghsh toy arqroy 19, gia tis periptwseis prosfygwn apo ton kairo toy emfylioy polemoy, poy zoyn se xwres toy allote yparktoy sosialismoy, opws lene, exei lhfqei apo thn Kybernhsh, me thn apofash ayth;

REPPAS: Einai ena qema to opoio den mas apasxolhse shmera. Den exei sxesh to ena me to allo. To oti den exei anadromikh isxy h katarghsh ths sygkekrimenhs diatajhs, dinei kai mia emmesh apanthsh sto erwthma poy qetete. To qema to opoio eisagei h erwthsh sas einai ena allo qema, poy den mas apasxolhse shmera.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Eipate oti o Prwqypoyrgos eipe oti o k. Kwstas Mpakoyrhs eggyatai th diafaneia. Apo poy bgainei ayto; Ti exeggya exei o Prwqypoyrgos gia ton k. Mpakoyrh; Ton eixe Symboylo h htan kati allo; Giati ap oti jeroyme htan na ton balei se dyo alloys Organismoys kai ton aperrican. Gi ayto rwtaw. Twra pws edw eggyatai ta panta;

REPPAS: Ti sxesh exei to ena me to allo; Den aperrifqh, an aperrifqh kapoy opws lete, epeidh akribws den eixe ayta ta exeggya ths antikeimenikothtas h ths xrhsths dioikhshs. Isa-isa mporw na pw oti htan ypochfios gia th qesh toy Dieyqynontos Symboyloy ston OTE, htan sthn kaloymenh "mikrh lista" metajy twn triwn poy eixan symperilhfqei pros telikh epilogh. Den epelegh...

STAMATOPOYLOS: Giati;

REPPAS:...para to aristo biografiko kai tis systaseis poy yphrxan, epeidh akribws den eixe idiaiterh sxesh h empeiria, oson afora qemata thlepikoinwniwn. Gi' ayto to logo kai mono. Oxi gia qemata poy aforoyn thn ajiopistia toy kai thn antikeimenikothta toy. O k. Mpakoyrhs, opws eipa sthn arxh...

KIAOS: Sygnwmh, alla, meta thn allagh toy nomoy, ep' aytoy, den xreiazetai synafeia.

REPPAS: To eipa. Asfalws xreiazetai kai einai kati to opoio panta ajiologeitai, ws stoixeio, ws krithrio an qelete, prokeimenoy na ginei mia epilogh. O k. Mpakoyrhs, opws eipe o Prwqypoyrgos, parexei oles ekeines tis eggyhseis, wste h qesh thn opoia exei na toy epitrecei na prosferei kai sthn patrida mas, alla kai na ikanopoihsei kai to koino aisqhma. Giati pera apo thn epiqymia ths Kybernhshs, fantazomai oti oloi oi polites apaitoyn na yparxei xrhsth dioikhshs kai na yparxei diafaneia.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Ti prosonta akribws exei, kyrie Ypoyrge, o k. Mpakoyrhs, ektos apo gnwseis gia tis mpataries;

REPPAS: Gnwrizete to biografiko toy. Einai epityxhmenos manatzer. Sas parakalw mhn arxizete ayton ton polemo fqoras, enantion enos proswpoy to opoio den exete gnwrisei oyte eseis. Einai diko sas to dikaiwma na krinete opoiondhpote paragonta, qa moy epitrecete, omws, ki emena na zhthsw apo sas kalh pisth. Poly perissotero epeidh h ypoqesh ayth einai eqnikh ypoqesh. H epilogh den exei kommatiko xarakthra. Den exei opoiadhpote sxesh me kommata h me to diko mas komma o k. Mpakoyrhs, gia na mporei kapoios na isxyristei oti tetoia krithria prytaneysan. Gi ayto sas parakalw na mhn epidiwkoyme na amayrwnoyme mia eikona, xwris na yparxei enas sygkekrimenos logos, o opoios na dikaiologei ayth th stash. Den dikaiologeitai ayth h stash.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Qa perasei apo thn Epitroph ths Boylhs o k. Mpakoyrhs;

REPPAS: Gnwrizete poly kala oti h sygkrothsh ths Epitrophs ayths einai mia diadikasia gia ejairetikes periptwseis. Eyqys ej arxhs eipame, poios einai o tropos me ton opoio qa sygkrothqei h Epitroph ayth.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Ena akomh erwthma, epeidh eipate oti den exoyn kamia sxesh ta kommata, einai yperanw kommatwn kai tetoia: Rwthqhkan ta kommata gi ayton ton kyrio kai gia toys dekapente ths Epitrophs;

REPPAS: To gegonos oti oi epiloges oi opoies eginan einai yperanw kommatwn h oiwndhpote kommatikoy xarakthra krithriwn, fainetai apo to oti h Epitroph ayth den einai proektash kommatikwn antiproswpeiwn. Opoioi symmetexoyn se ayth thn Organwtikh Epitroph, den symmetexoyn epeidh exoyn kapoia kommatikh idiothta h toys ypedeije ena sygkekrimeno komma. Exoyn mia proswpikh kai leitoyrgikh aytonomia kai epilexqhkan me krithria th gnwsh, thn eparkeia kai thn ikanothta toys, gia na antapokriqoyn sta kaqhkonta poy toys anatiqentai. Den einai mia Diakommatikh Epitroph h Diorganwtikh Epitroph, kaqe allo.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Einai kommatikh Epitroph.

REPPAS: Ayth einai h apoch sas. Lypoymai poy epimenete xwris na exete stoixeia na epikalesteite gi ayto.

POYLIDOY: Hqela na rwthsw, prwton, an exete eikona apo posoys allogeneis exei afaireqei h iqageneia basei toy arqroy 19 kai, deyteron, an yparxei pronoia gia toys aniqageneis poy yparxoyn.

REPPAS: To qema poy syzhthsame shmera, afora thn katarghsh sygkekrimenoy arqroy kai tipota alloy. Oson afora ton ariqmo yparxoyn stoixeia, ta opoia mporeite na exete sth diaqesh sas. Den ta exw proxeira egw twra. Mporw, omws, na pw oti oysiastika ayth h diatajh fainetai oti eixe meinei praktika anefarmosth. Ton prohgoymeno xrono, to 1997, o ariqmos aytos aforoyse peripoy 80 atoma, arketoi twn opoiwn me dikh toys aithsh h ekoysia, eixan zhthsei thn allagh ths iqageneias toys. Ayta ta stoixeia yparxoyn sto Ypoyrgeio Eswterikwn kai einai sth diaqesh sas. Egw sas eipa enan ariqmo gia to 1997. Apo to 1993 mexri shmera o ariqmos aytos anerxetai se peripoy 200. Na prosqesw mono oti, oysiastika, epeidh kapoioi, arketoi, me dikh toys aithsh zhthsan na allajoyn iqageneia, den mporoyme na poyme -se sxesh me tis kathgories poy kata kairoys diatypwnontai- oti h diatajh ayth exei xrhsimopoihqei etsi, wste na yparxei mia mazikoy xarakthra antimetwpish enos politikoy h eqnikoy kat' alloys problhmatos. Oxi, kaqe allo.

POYLIDOY: Gia ta teleytaia xronia milate pantws.

REPPAS: Nai. Nai.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Gia toys iqageneis den eipate tipota.

REPPAS: Eipa oti den antimetwpisame kanena allo qema shmera.

T. MPERMPERAKHS: Dhladh, meta to nomoqethma poy qa chfistei den qa yparxei kamia problech ston ellhniko nomo peri iqageneias gia diagrafh apo thn yphkoothta, opoioydhpote Ellhna polith, anejarthta an htan allogenhs h omogenhs.

REPPAS: Akoyste. Einai etsi opws to lete. Emeis shmera antimetwpisame mono to qema ths katarghshs toy arqroy 19, toy sygkekrimenoy Nomoqetikoy Diatagmatos. To diatagma ayto exei kai alla arqra. Sto arqro 20 problepetai oti kapoios poy den epideiknyei gnhsio endiaferon gia thn patrida toy, mporei na dexqei mia tetoia kyrwsh. Kai ayto afora ton opoiodhpote polith mias xwras. Einai kati poy symbainei kai se alles xwres. Kapoios gia paradeigma poy den ekplhrwnei tis stratiwtikes toy ypoxrewseis. Ayto einai kati to opoio isxyei gia oloys. Alla, to sygkekrimeno arqro gia to opoio polys logos exei ginei -prepei na sas pw oti- exei apofasisei h Kybernhsh kai se ayto proxwroyme, thn katarghsh toy. Ayto einai sto opoio prepei na meinoyme.

T. MPERMPERAKHS: Qa yparjei pronoia, wste apo thn shmerinh hmera ths ejaggelias mexri thn chfish toy nomosxedioy, na mhn efarmostei h sxetikh diatajh gia teleytaies periptwseis.

REPPAS: Sas eipa oti einai peripoy anenergh ayth h diatajh, afoy einai ekfrasmenh me apofash, pleon, toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy h qesh mas ayth. Dexqeite oti ena kaqestws, me ta opoia oriaka estw apotelesmata kai synepeies mexri twra, poy hdh exei epi xronia, payei na yparxei. Katargeitai.

MIXAHL: Ap' o,ti katalabainw, loipon, h Kybernhsh katargei ayto to arqro afhnontas se ekkremothta na dei th ryqmish toy nomosxedioy, na etoimasei oles tis periptwseis aytes.

REPPAS: Den eipa ayto to pragma. Eipa oti ayto to opoio mas apasxolhse shmera kai ayto sto opoio qa proboyme, einai h katarghsh toy arqroy 19 toy nomoqetikoy diatagmatos. Tipota allo.

MIXAHL: Tis periptwseis diaforwn Ellhnwn poy ypesthsan tis synepeies toy sxetikoy nomoqethmatos, ws politikoi prosfyges, tote, toy emfylioy: Aytes tis periptwseis qa tis antimetwpisete me to nomosxedio, to opoio ta ryqmizei ola ayta.

REPPAS: Sas apanthsa molis prin.

MIXAHL: O k. Shmiths, afoy anaferqhke se syskeceis kai epafes poy eixe gia thn Olympiada, ejhghse sto Ypoyrgiko Symboylio h mallon aisqanqhke thn anagkh na pei giati h ka Daskalakh den einai sth dekapentada h o k. Synadinos h kapoioi alloi, poy eixan paijei rolo sthn Epitroph Diekdikhshs;

REPPAS: Ekane kapoies anafores o Prwqypoyrgos. Epeidh, akribws, se dhmosieymata h se ekpompes radiothleoptikes, ginetai anafora se onomata kai malista me enan tetoio tropo, o opoios den apodidei thn pragmatikothta, eipe o Prwqypoyrgos -allwste sas to eixa pei ki egw, edw kai kapoies hmeres, otan eixa dexqei sxetikh erwthsh- pws h ka Daskalakh-Aggelopoyloy eixe ekfrasei thn epiqymia, edw kai arketo kairo malista, na mhn symperilhfqei sthn Organwtikh Epitroph. H o k. Synadinos, ston opoio protaqhke na einai sthn Organwtikh Epitroph, o idios to gnwrizei...

KIAOS: Ws melos, e!

REPPAS: Bebaiws. Den dexqhke na symmetexei, epeidh akribws edeije endiaferon na analabei alles drasthriothtes, na exei mia symmetoxh, logw kai toy epaggelmatos toy, stis diadikasies ths diorganwshs ths Olympiadas. Gi ayto akribws den hqele na einai paron sthn Organwtikh Epitroph. Ena allo paradeigma: Grafetai kapoy oti o k. Foyras, einai paraponoymenos epeidh symperilhfqh o G.G.A. Giannhs Sgoyros. Ton k. Sgoyro ton proteine o idios o k. Foyras, prokeimenoy na symperilhfqei sthn Organwtikh Epitroph. Einai apo ayta ta aqwa men, alla arketa -telikws- yponomeytika sxolia, ta opoia epeidh akribws den antapokrinontai sthn alhqeia, dhmioyrgoyn problhmata.

MIXAHL: Einai toso eypaqhs h enothta ths Kybernhshs;

REPPAS: Kaqe allo. Alla, telika, otan dhmioyrgeitai ayth h entypwsh ston kosmo, antilambaneste oti, xwris na yparxei logos, kataskeyazetai ena problhma. Kai den yparxei logos giati einai qema kakhs plhroforhshs.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Einai ki alloi poy den dexqhkan;

REPPAS: Ayth einai h anafora poy egine sto Ypoyrgiko Symboylio.

KIAOS: Mono gi ayta ta dyo onomata eipe;

REPPAS: Anaferqhke se ayta ta tria onomata.

KIAOS: To trito;

STAMATOPOYLOS: O Sgoyros.

MOSXOBAS: Elabe kapoios allos Ypoyrgos to logo, o k. Laliwths gia paradeigma, panw s' aytes tis epishmanseis.

REPPAS: Gia to qema ths Olympiadas, oxi. Gia to qema ths antimetwpishs twn problhmatwn ston agrotiko tomea, oxi. Milw gia tis epishmanseis toy Prwqypoyrgoy. O k. Laliwths eipe oti to Ypoyrgeio toy exei kanei entonh prospaqeia, oson afora toys episthmones poy qa asxolhqoyn me th meleth kai ton elegxo twn periballontikwn meletwn, wste na yparxei, to syntomotero dynato, h proslhch twn episthmonwn aytwn.

KIAOS: Pantoy qa diorisqoyn.

REPPAS: Prepei na sas pw oti kai egw antimetwpizw ena terastio problhma. Sto Symboylio Radiothleorashs, edw kai para poly kairo, exoyme apofasisei thn enisxysh toy me episthmoniko proswpiko. Yparxoyn eggeneis dysxereies. Einai h antikeimenikothta twn diadikasiwn, poy polles fores, dhmioyrgei ayth th xronotribh.

MOSXOBAS: Gia th synqesh ths Epitrophs...

REPPAS: Oydeis allos.

FILHS: Pote problepete na katateqei to nomosxedio poy qa allazei, katargei to arqro 19;

REPPAS: Syntomotata. Den lew syntoma, lew syntomotata.

FILHS: An me to nomosxedio problepetai na kyrwqei kai h symbash plaisio toy Symboylioy ths Eyrwphs gia ta dikaiwmata twn meionothtwn;

REPPAS: Exoyme ypogracei aytes tis symbaseis, opws gnwrizete poly kala. Ayth h kyrwsh qa ginei, fantazomai, to idio syntoma apo to Ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn. Alla, den eimai egw aytos, o opoios qa programmatisw th nomoqetikh drasthriothta toy kaqe Ypoyrgeioy.

FILHS: Asxolhqhke me to qema to Ypoyrgiko Symboylio;

REPPAS: Den asxolhqhkame me opoiodhpote allo qema, shmera. Ayto to eipa kai hmoyn arketa safhs.

FILHS: Giati qelete na katartisete oloklhro nomosxedio kai oxi apla mia diatajh se ena opoiodhpote nomosxedio poy na leei oti katargeitai to arqro 19;

REPPAS: Einai piqano na ginei kai ayto. Na einai mia prosqhkh se kapoio apo ta trexonta, legomena nomosxedia.

FILHS: Eipate nomosxedio.

REPPAS: Eipa kai prin oti nomosxedio qa einai.

KIAOS: 'H nomoqetikh ryqmish, en pash periptwsei.

REPPAS: Bebaiws. Nomoqetikh ryqmish.

KOYIN: Panw sto idio qema. Epeidh exei parei mia sxetikh prwtoboylia to Ypoyrgeio Dhmosias Tajews, na efarmosei th symfwnia twn Hnwmenwn Eqnwn toy 1954 kai na xorhghsei se atoma poy briskontai entos elladikoy xwroy, alla toys exei afaireqei h iqageneia, ta legomena "Laissez passer", qa yparjei kapoia merimna gi' ayta ta atoma, poy briskontai entos ellhnikoy xwroy, den lew gi' ayta poy einai ektos ellhnikoy xwroy;

REPPAS: Ayto einai teleiws diaforetiko qema. Qa apasxolhsei tis armodies Yphresies. Den apasxolhse to Ypoyrgiko Symboylio.

KOYIN: Nai, alla, epeidh eipate oti den yparxei anadromikothta, ti qa ginei m' aytoys; Einai peripoy 1000 atoma.

REPPAS: Emeis, shmera, apofasisame thn katarghsh toy sygkekrimenoy arqroy. Gnwrizete poly kala oti to arqro ayto isxye para polla xronia kai exei dhmioyrghsei problhmata. Ola ayta ta qemata, asfalws sto plaisio ths ryqmishs sthn opoia qa proboyme, qa antimetwpistoyn. Emeis, shmera, phrame ayth thn apofash kai doqhke odhgia sta armodia Ypoyrgeia na proxwrhsoyn se ekeinh th diatajh nomoy, me thn opoia katargeitai to sygkekrimeno arqro. Den mphkame se alla qemata.

XASAPOPOYLOS: O k. Mhtsotakhs edwse shmera mia synenteyjh ston "Khryka" ths Neas Yorkhs, exete na kanete kapoio sxolio s' ayta poy anaferei oti prepei h Ellada kai h Toyrkia na ta broyne h na ypoxwrhsei h Ellada ston eqniko enaerio xwro h na epekteinei ta xwrika ydata;

REPPAS: Oi apoceis toy k. Mhtsotakh exoyn endiaferon, epeidh exei xeiristei ta qemata ayta. Se kapoies apoceis mporei kapoios na symfwnhsei. Se kapoies alles den yparxei symfwnia. Kai prepei na pw oti, idiws sto shmeio poy o k. Mhtsotakhs anaferetai se adynamia h mh eniaia politikh ths ellhnikhs Kybernhshs, qa mas brei na diafwnoyme apolyta. H ellhnikh Kybernhsh askei ejwterikh politikh, poy perifroyrei ta kyriarxika dikaiwmata mas, kai gnwrizete poly kala, pws exei th boylhsh -kai ayto exei sthn prajh fanei- na enisxysei th qesh ths Ellados, prokeimenoy kai dia aytoy toy tropoy na katoxyrwsoyme ta eqnika symferonta. H Ellada exei mia enisxymenh qesh shmera. Ara, oxi mono den einai adynamh Kybernhsh, alla qa elega, oti einai perissotero isxyrh apo opoiadhpote allh Kybernhsh sto parelqon, afoy exei epityxei aythn thn pio enisxymenh gia thn Ellada qesh, sth dieqnh zwh.

MIXAHL: Gia ta eji milia;

REPPAS: H qesh mas einai safhs s' ayta ta qemata. Sas parapempw se dhlwseis poy exoyme kanei h apanthseis poy exw dwsei se sxetikes erwthseis tis teleytaies hmeres, idiaiterws.

KWNSTANTATOS: H Toyrkikh Omospondia Podosfairoy ekane mia protash sthn ellhnikh na syndiorganwsoyn to Eyrwpaiko Prwtaqlhma to 2004. H qesh ths Kybernhshs poia einai s' ayth thn protash, giati empleketai kai h Kybernhsh s' ayth thn istoria.

REPPAS: Prwton, exoyme arketa xronia mprosta mas. Deyteron, einai ena qema to opoio qa antimetwpisoyn oi Omospondies kai oi armodies Arxes twn dyo kratwn. Einai wraio na yparxei mia epikoinwnia, mesw aqlhtikwn kai politistikwn ekdhlwsewn, twn dyo lawn. Bebaiws, epeidh akribws ginetai protash gia mia diorganwsh, enos qesmoy se dyo krath, taytoxronws, kati poy isws den exei prohgoymeno, einai ena qema to opoio prepei na apasxolhsei kai th Dieqnh Omospondia. Ayto, loipon, qa to antimetwpisoyn oi Aqlhtikes Arxes ths xwras mas kai oi armodies Yphresies ths Politeias, poy elpizw kai epishma na dexqoyn ayth thn protash.

KIAOS: Sthn protash ths Toyrkikhs Omospondias, h EPO, xqes, parepemce sto Ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn, eseis twra, ws Kybernhsh, parapempete sthn EPO.

REPPAS: Ta qemata ayta qa ta antimetwpisoyn oloi oi foreis, oi opoies exoyn kapoio logo. Poioi einai oi foreis poy exoyn logo; Einai h Dieqnhs Omospondia prwta apo ola. Einai oi Aqlhtikes Omospondies kaqe xwras. Einai oi armodies Yphresies kaqe kratoys. To eipa ayto. Milhsa kai gia tis Aqlhtikes Arxes kai gia tis armodies Yphresies, anaferomenos, akribws stis Yphresies ths Politeias poy asxoloyntai me ta qemata ayta.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Meta ta xqesina gegonota poy eginan sthn Agkyra, mporei na ginei h synergasia, mporoyn na ginoyn agwnes;

REPPAS: Twra apantate sto synadelfo poy eqese thn erwthsh.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Den apantw.

REPPAS: Giati egw ginomai dekths erwthsewn, oi opoies ypokryptoyn diametrika antiqetes qeseis h paradoxes. Prepei na pw oti ta epeisodia einai qlibera. Mas lypoyn. Otan yparxoyn aqlhtikes synanthseis, qa prepei to aqlhtiko pneyma na prytaneyei. Ekfrazoyme kai th lyph mas gia ta epeisodia ayta. Ligoi filaqloi anohtoi, proseferan kakh yphresia, oxi mono ston Aqlhtismo h sthn omada toys, alla kai sthn patrida toys. Giati ayth h symperifora den einai symperifora h opoia epaineitai. Antiqetws, kataggelletai apo olo ton kosmo.

T. MPERMPERAKHS: Mia dieykrinish. H Kybernhsh qa enqarrynei thn EPO sto na synergastei, mhpws mporei na ginei ayto to pragma, h den thn enqarrynei.

REPPAS: Emeis, pisteyoyme oti einai qetiko na yparxoyn politistikes h aqlhtikes synanthseis.

FASOYLAS: Xqes, 10.000 Boreiohpeirwtes diadhlwsan sto kentro ths Aqhnas, me aithma na apokthsoyn thn ellhnikh yphkoothta. H Kybernhsh pws to antimetwpizei ayto to qema;

REPPAS: H Kybernhsh exei thn politikh ths gi' ayto to qema. Einai gnwsth, den allazei ayth h politikh. Gnwrizete poly kala oti exei jekinhsei h diadikasia gia thn xorhghsh ths legomenhs "prasinhs kartas", se jenoys oi opoioi einai sthn patrida mas. Yparxei h sygkekrimenh kathgoria, h opoia den topoqetei ton eayto ths sth qesh toy allodapoy kai exei mia allh qesh. Gnwrizete poly kala, omws, oti den askeitai politikh dia aytoy toy tropoy. Einai safhs h politikh mas, den allazei tipota. Exoyn sygkekrimenh yphkoothta oi filoi poy zoyn s' ayth thn polh, s' ayth th xwra, qa prepei na akoloyqhsoyn tis nomimes diadikasies, prokeimenoy na nomimopoihsoyn -an den einai mexri twra nomimh- thn paramonh toys sthn Ellada.

FILHS: Xqes, se thleoptikoys staqmoys kai shmera se efhmerides akoysame kai diabasame ektimhseis astynomikwn Arxwn, xwris na prosdiorizetai poia Arxh akribws, symfwna me tis opoies, oi tromokratikes epiqeseis sta Ejarxeia tis teleytaies hmeres, apodidontai piqanws h sigoyra, analogws ti diabazei o kaqenas, se drasthriothta Toyrkikwn Mystikwn Yphresiwn. Yparxoyn kapoia stoixeia h kapoia topoqethsh ek meroys ths Kybernhshs;

REPPAS: Gia tis energeies aytes, blepete oti diafora senaria anaptyssontai. Ayto to opoio mporw na pw einai, oti den exoyme stoixeia, prokeimenoy me kathgorhmatiko tropo na poyme oti ofeilontai oi energeies aytes se sygkekrimenoys kykloys h ekdhlwnontai gia sygkekrimenoys logoys. Oi armodies Astynomikes Arxes ereynoyn ola ayta ta endexomena. Ara, loipon, kinoyntai pros pasa kateyqynsh.

Sas eyxaristw poly. Kalo Sabbatokyriako.

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