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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS

Aqhna, 8.1.1998

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY & MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO DHMHTRH REPPA

Akoyw tis erwthseis sas.

BITSENTZOY: Qelw na rwthsw sxetika me thn anakoinwsh poy ejedwse tis proalles to Ypoyrgeio Aigaioy gia ajiopoihsh orismenwn braxonhsidwn h epoikismoy toys, an eixe erqei se synennohsh to Ypoyrgeio Aigaioy me to Ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn.

REPPAS: Prepei na pw oti to programma ayto, to opoio xrhmatodothqhke apo thn Eyrwpadkh Enwsh me ena shmantiko poso, den problepei epoikismo. Einai ena programma to opoio anaferetai sthn hpia anaptyjh, h opoia qa epidiwxqei se diafores perioxes, se nhsia kai nhsides, kyriws gia logoys oikologikoys. Kai bebaiws, olh ayth h ejelijh toy programmatos, poy parakoloyqeitai kai epopteyetai apo to Ypoyrgeio Aigaioy, einai sto plaisio ths kybernhtikhs politikhs.

POYLIDOY: Den apanthsate.

REPPAS: Apanthsa. Asfalws einai sto plaisio ths kybernhtikhs politikhs.

POYLIDOY: Htan enhmero; Den einai sto plaisio... Den leei kati ayto poy lete.

REPPAS: Nomizw oti ta leei ola.

POYLIDOY: Htan enhmero, ara, mas lete;

REPPAS: Ayto poy eipa ta leei ola. Asfalws yphrje synennohsh. Otan lew oti einai sto plaisio ths kybernhtikhs politikhs, den nomizete oti ayto ta leei ola;

POYLIDOY: O kaqenas ermhneyei thn kybernhtikh politikh opws qelei, kyrie Ekproswpe. Edw rwtame kati aplo...

REPPAS: ...h opoia (kybernhtikh politikh) omws, telikws, einai mia. Kai epeidh akribws einai mia, einai ayth sthn opoia synantatai to kaqe Ypoyrgeio me ta alla Ypoyrgeia kai to Ypoyrgeio Aigaioy me to Ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn, en prokeimenw.

BITSENTZOY: Exoyn hdh egkriqei apo thn Eyrwpadkh Epitroph ayta ta erga poy prosdoka na xrhmatodothsei to Ypoyrgeio Aigaioy h qa egkriqoyn;

REPPAS: Einai sto plaisio toy programmatos INTEREG II. Yparxei h apofash gia th xrhmatodothsh toy programmatos. Epanalambanw oti to programma ayto anaferetai se hpia anaptyjh gia oikologikoys logoys kai den qa prepei na ginetai opoiadhpote sygxysh, poly perissotero otan apo thn Toyrkia epixeireitai h diastrofh ths pragmatikothtas, prokeimenoy na proklhqei entash kai krish, me aformh to qema ayto, gegonos to opoio den qa eprepe na symbainei.

FASOYLAS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, mporeite na mas dwsete mia eikona ths katastashs poy epikratei ayth th stigmh sto Aigaio, giati polla akoygontai peri parabiasewn kai parabasewn toy eqnikoy enaerioy xwroy; Kai deyteron, pws sxoliazei h Aqhna tis xqesines dhlwse is twn Toyrkwn poy amfisbhtoyn enaerio xwro kai braxonhsides;

REPPAS: Ayth thn wra yparxei hsyxia. Eixame, shmera to prwi, pthseis kata mhkos toy FIR Aqhnwn apo megalo sxetika ariqmo toyrkikwn maxhtikwn aeroskafwn. Ola anagnwristhkan kai anaxaitisthkan apo ellhnika polemika aeroskafh. H symperifora ayth ths Toyrkias den mas jenizei. Ekdhlwqhke thn hmera twn Qeofaniwn, ekdhlwqhke kai shmera se perioxes gia tis opoies h Toyrkia den eixe programmatisei kapoies askhseis. Prepei na pw oti oi pthseis aytes den einai pthseis sto plaisio stratiwtikwn askhsewn, oi opoies egi nan -opws eipa kai prin- kata mhkos toy FIR Aqhnwn apo th Qrakh mexri th Rodo.

Telikws, me ayth th stash ths h Toyrkia oyte toys stoxoys ths se baros ths Ellados epitygxanei, antiqetws apomonwnetai dieqnws. Mia tetoia symperifora apodidei anaglyfa thn proqesh ths na diathrhsei thn entash stis sxeseis ths me thn Ellada. Kaqe allo para bohqaei, h politikh thn opoia akoloyqei h Toyrkia, thn enswmatwsh ths stoys eyrwpadkoys qesmoys. Kai bebaiws, mia tetoia symperifora apodeiknyei oti den epiqymei thn ejomalynsh twn sxesewn me thn Ellada, thn epidiwjh sxesewn kalhs geitonias me thn Ellada, poy einai metajy twn allwn mia shmantikh proypoqesh, prokeimenoy na ikanopoihqei h eyrwpadkh filodojia ths.

Oi antidraseis ths Elladas einai ameses kai apofasistikes:

* Se stratiwtiko epipedo yphrjan anaxaitiseis.
* Se politiko kai diplwmatiko epipedo qa ginoyn ta diabhmata me tropo entono.
* Qa yparjei enhmerwsh twn xwrwn ths Eyrwpadkhs Enwshs gia th stash ths Toyrkias.

Ola ayta ta qemata ta opoia h Toyrkia qetei tis teleytaies hmeres, pisteyoyme oti entassontai sthn prospaqeia ths af' enos na sygkalycei pragmatika problhmata, anti na ta lysei, kai af' eteroy epidiwkei na dhmioyrghsei mia nea katastash sto xwro toy Aigaioy, kati to opoio den mporei na ginei paradekto.

H askhsh ejwterikhs politikhs me stratiwtikes dynameis -ayth fainetai oti einai h epilogh ths Toyrkias- thn ekqetei akomh perissotero, den ths lynei kanena problhma, enw ths dhmioyrgei arketa. Ayto prepei h Toyrkia na to katanohsei. An synexisei mia tetoia politikh, den prokeitai na bgei kerdismenh. Ayto einai safes. Kai h Ellada den prokeitai na bgei xamenh. Kai ayto, epishs, einai safes.

T. MPERMPERAKHS: Ti ennoeite, otan lete "kata mhkos toy FIR Aqhnwn";

REPPAS: Eipa oti ekei opoy yparxoyn ta synora toy FIR Aqhnwn me to FIR ths Kwnstantinoypolhs eixame eisodo toyrkikwn maxhtikwn aeroskafwn, oxi se sygkekrimenes perioxes. Kata mhkos toy FIR Aqhnwn, loipon -dieykrinisa apo th Qrakh mexri th Rodo- eixame pthseis toyrkikwn aeroplanwn. Kapoies pthseis eginan panw apo braxonhsides. Toyrkika aeroskafh petajan panw kai apo ta Cara Ola ayta -epanalambanw- kaqe allo para dikaiologoyntai. Dhmioyrgoyn problhma stis ellhnotoyrkikes sxeseis. Ayto einai aytonohto. Dhmioyrgoyn problhma kai sthn Toyrkia. Kai ayto prepei na ginei safes.

T. MPERMPERAKHS: Epeidh eipate oti den htan stratiwtikes askhseis, ara den exoyme parabiash toy Mnhmonioy Papoylia - Gilmaz.

REPPAS: Oi pthseis aytes, etsi opws ekdhlwqhkan, den htan pthseis sto plaisio stratiwtikwn askhsewn, toylaxiston twn askhsewn aytwn poy eixe anaggeilei h Toyrkia oti qa kanei. Exoyme parabiash eqnikoy enaerioy xwroy. Gi' ayto akribws antimetwpisthkan me apofasistiko kai apotelesmatiko tropo apo ellhnika polemika aeroskafh.

MPERMPERAKHS: Kai toy eqnikoy enaerioy xwroy;

REPPAS: Kai toy eqnikoy enaerioy xwroy. Eipa se olo to mhkos toy FIR Aqhnwn petajan kai asfalws ekanan kai parabaseis twn kanonwn enaerias kykloforias kai parabiaseis toy eqnikoy enaerioy xwroy.

KIAOS: Mporeite na mas dieykrinisete gia to mhkos toy FIR, epeidh to mhkos einai...

REPPAS: To FIR Aqhnwn exei diastaseis se mhkos kai se platos. Milw twra gia th diastash ekeinh, h opoia afora ta synora toy FIR Aqhnwn me toy FIR Kwnstantinoypolhs, apo th Qrakh mexri th Rodo.

KIAOS: Dhladh, sthn epafh...

REPPAS: Mphkan sto FIR Aqhnwn, mphkan sto eqniko enaerio xwro. Apla, to eipa ayto sthn arxh gia na dieykrinisw kai na bohqhsw kai esas na antilhfqeite pws exei to qema. Oti, dhladh, oi pthseis den eginan stis perioxes poy eixe programmatisei h Toyrkia arxika na diejagei aytes tis askhseis. Eginan kata mhkos oloy toy Aigaiakoy xwroy, as moy epitrapei ayth h ekfrash.

T. MPERMPERAKHS: Se poses pthseis yphrje parabash toy FIR Aqhnwn, parabiash toy enaerioy xwroy;

REPPAS: Kyrie Mpermperakh, den exoyme akomh ta stoixeia gia na sas pw sygkekrimeno ariqmo parabasewn h parabiasewn. Ginetai mia ejetash twn ixnwn. Ta stoixeia ayta qa ta exoyme sth diaqesh mas argotera.

T. MPERMPERAKHS: Oson afora to qema twn Qeofaniwn poy eipate, epeidh eipate oti den prokeitai gia stratiwtikh askhsh, ara den exoyme parabiash toy Mnhmonioy Papoylia - Gilmaz.

REPPAS: Exoyme parabiash toy eqnikoy enaerioy xwroy. Kai ayto einai kati poly xeirotero.

KYRIAKIDOY: Synolika, me parabaseis kai parabiaseis, gia ti ariqmo aeroplanwn syzhtame, poy petajan sthn perioxh ayth; Gia pente gia deka, gia eikosi, gia trianta, gia poses parabiaseis;

REPPAS: Milame gia enan ariqmo, o opoios kymainetai sta, peripoy, trianta toyrkika maxhtika aeroskafh, me bash ta stoixeia poy exoyme ayth th stigmh.

KIAOS: Trianta aeroskafh h trianta parabiaseis;

REPPAS: Peripoy trianta aeroskafh. Eipa oti gia tis parabaseis-parabiaseis prepei na ginei ejetash twn ixnwn gia na gnwrizoyme to sygkekrimeno ariqmo.

FILHS: Telikws qa prowqhqei to sxedio ayto gia thn "hpia anaptyjh" twn braxonhsidwn;

REPPAS: Asfalws.

FILHS: Qa ginei se synergasia me thn E.E.;

REPPAS: Ma, yparxei synergasia me thn E.E.

FILHS: Mhpws kapoio apo ta eyrwpadka Programmata problepei kai emplokh ths Toyrkias;

REPPAS: Kanena Programma den problepei emplokh ths Toyrkias. Moy dinete omws, me thn erwthsh sas, thn aformh na sxoliasw pws einai idiaiterws proklhtikh h stash thn opoia akoloyqei h Toyrkia sth sygkekrimenh periptwsh. Poly perissotero otan qewrei pws exei thn eykairia, me aformh to gegonos ayto, na amfisbhthsei kyriarxika dikaiwmata ths xwras mas. Ayto einai anepitrepto, einai aparadekto, einai kati to opoio den mporei kan na syzhthqei. Kai prepei na stigmatizetai se kaqe periptwsh. Giati einai prwtofanes, sto plaisio ths E.E., mia trith xwra, h opoia geitniazei me xwra ths Koinothtas, na amfisbhtei ta synora ths. ?H na amfisbhtei th dynatothta twn xwrwn ths E.E. na anaptyssoyn Programmata symfwna me toys nomoys kai toys kanones poy yparxoyn kai prepei na ajiopoioyntai.

POYLIDOY: Kyrie Ekproswpe, poy briskontai aytes oi braxonhsides, entos twn Dwdekanhswn h sto boreio Aigaio;

REPPAS: Exei ekdoqei anakoinwsh, poies einai oi nhsoi kai oi nhsides, stis opoies anaferetai to Programma ayto.

POYLIDOY: Kai den qymaste, qelete na peite.

REPPAS: Eseis tis gnwrizete;

POYLIDOY: Oxi, giati...

REPPAS: Ma, exei dhmosieyqei, ka Poylidoy, stis efhmerides.

POYLIDOY: Emeis kai diabazoyme kai doyleyoyme, alla, ayto den to exoyme diabasei.

REPPAS: Amfisbhteite to oti exei dhmosieyqei;

POYLIDOY: Oxi.

REPPAS: Exei dhmosieyqei. Sas lew, loipon, oti exoyn gnwstopoihqei ta sygkekrimena onomata twn nhsiwn. Exoyn anakoinwqei.

POYLIDOY: Ta onomata ta jeroyme. Egw sas rwtw an ypagontai sto symplegma twn Dwdekanhswn h einai sto boreio Aigaio;

REPPAS: Ypagontai sthn ellhnikh epikrateia.

POYLIDOY: H toyristikh ajiopoihsh, poy lete, den problepei paradosiakoys oikismoys, opws diabasame, ara, egkatastash kapoiwn anqrwpwn, den problepei toyristikes egkatastaseis, marines, problhtes k.lp.; Ayta ta pragmata den synistoyn epoikismo me alla logia;

REPPAS: Oxi, den synistoyn epoikismo me alla logia. Einai Programmata "hpias anaptyjhs", ta opoia gia logoys oikologikoys, se polles perioxes ths Eyrwphs kai sth sygkekrimenh, ginetai prospaqeia na prowqhqoyn kai prepei na prowqhqoyn.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: Se mia antapokrish, ths "Kaqhmerinhs ths Kyriakhs" apo thn Oyasigkton, anaferetai se eswteriko eggrafo toy Steit Ntipartment, oti kata tis synomilies toy k. Klinton me ton k. Gilmaz, o Proedros twn HPA xarakthrise thn Toyrkia "propyrgio kai prostatida dynamh twn dytikwn symferontwn kai ajiwn sthn perioxh". Qa hqela ena sxolio ths ellhnikhs Kybernhshs.

REPPAS: Qelw na pw oti, h Toyrkia, epeidh akribws den exei katorqwsei na enarmonistei me aytes tis dytikes ajies, paramenei se megalh apoklish kai apostash apo thn E.E. Kai ayto to omologoyn -giati ayth th qesh ekfrazoyn- oles oi xwres ths E.E. Oti, dhladh, h Toyrkia prepei na kanei para polla bhmata, prokeimenoy na egkolpwsei sto systhma ths kai sthn politikh ths, toys kanones kai tis arxes me tis opoies yphretoyntai oi ajies. Kai ayto, h Toyrkia, den to exei epityxei mexri shmera.

MPOGIOPOYLOS: To gegonos, ap? o,ti fainetai, oti o k. Klinton kai h amerikanikh politikh, den symfwnei me osa eseis diatypwsate prin apo ligo, kanei thn ellhnikh Kybernhsh na skeftetai oti einai mallon askopo, kaqe fora, poy yparxei ojynsh me thn Toyrkia, na prosfeygei, na prostrexei h ellhnikh Kybernhsh ston Amerikano presbh, ton k. Mperns;

REPPAS: Den prostrexoyme se opoiondhpote presbh. H prosfath enhmerwsh gia qemata poy aforoyn tis ellhnotoyrkikes sxeseis, egine meta apo endiaferon poy ekdhlwse o Amerikanos presbhs. Ayth einai mia leptomereia h opoia isws sas diafeygei. Bebaiws, emeis exoyme kaqe logo, otan krinoyme skopimo, na enhmerwnoyme tis jenes xwres, mesw twn diplwmatikwn yphresiwn toys, gia qemata, ta opoia qewroyme oti exoyn gia mas ycisth shmasia. Bgainoyme kerdismenoi apo thn enhmerwsh poy parexoyme. Kai nomizw oti h politikh poy akoloyqoyme einai mia swsth politikh.

MIXAHL: Tis teleytaies hmeres diabasame oti logw ths katastashs poy yparxei ayth th stigmh, h Toyrkia, symfwna me oles tis ektimhseis, brisketai se dyskolh qesh -kai logw Koyrdikoy kai logw eswterikwn problhmatwn- kai einai mia katallhlh eykairia h Ellada na kanei kapoies sygkekrimenes kinhseis. Diabasame, loipon, poly sygkekrimena, oti o Prwqypoyrgos skeftetai na dwsei synenteyjh se Toyrkoys synadelfoys se endexomeno na yparjei kapoia protash toy ellhnikoy Koinoboylioy, toy Prwqypoyrgoy, se Toyrkoys boyleytes. Ola ayta ejetazontai apo thn Kybernhsh, proxwroyn h einai apla....

REPPAS: Den exei labei tetoies apofaseis o Prwqypoyrgos, eite na paraxwrhsei synenteyjh, eite na diatypwsei sygkekrimenh protash. Ayto to opoio kanei o Prwqypoyrgos, epikefalhs ths ellhnikhs Kybernhshs, einai na kateyqynei thn ejwterikh politikh ths xwras, me gnwmona to eqniko symferon. Kai pisteyoyme oti sto plaisio ayto, oi kales sxeseis me thn Toyrkia prepei na epidiwkontai. Emeis tis epidiwkoyme. Alla, gia na epityxoyme aytes tis kales sxeseis, qa prepei kai h allh pleyra na tis epidiwkei me ton idio tropo kai den to kanei.

GARGALAKOS: Parathrhqhkan, ek neoy, pieseis panw sth draxmh kai to erwthma einai, an kindyneyei h draxmh h qa epidiwxqei -an epidiwxqei- diadikasia taxeias diolisqhshs.

REPPAS: H politikh ths Kybernhshs gia thn yposthrijh toy eqnikoy nomismatos einai gnwsth. H politikh ayth paramenei idia. Qa synexisoyme ajiopoiwntas oles tis dynatothtes poy exoyme, prokeimenoy na yposthrijoyme to eqniko nomisma. Ola ta prosfora metra poy exei sth diaqesh ths h Kybernhsh, ta exei labei kai qa synexisei, efoson yparxei logos, na ta lambanei. Den yparxei logos anhsyxias. Prepei na pw oti yparxei to prwtogenes problhma, poy dhmioyrgeitai apo tis pieseis poy askoyntai. Emeis den qa prepei na epitrecoyme na dhmioyrgoyntai problhmata deyterogenws, mesw enos klimatos anhsyxias h anataraxhs, poy mporei na dhmioyrghqei, pragma anepitrepto. Gi' ayto, nomizw, exoyme oloi xreos na symbaloyme -einai koinh eyqynh allwste- sth sthrijh toy eqnikoy nomismatos, me to na empedwsoyme ena aisqhma asfaleias, ena klima hremias kai cyxraimias, prokeimenoy na ginontai ypeyqyna oi swstoi xeirismoi.

LAKOPOYLOS: Se mia synenteyjh toy o prwhn Prwqypoyrgos k. Mhtsotakhs, apospasmata ths opoias dhmosieyontai shmera ston hmerhsio Typo, xarakthrizei apotyxhmenh thn ejwterikh politikh toy Andrea Papandreoy, ton idio ton xarakthrizei erasitexnh -an diabasa kala- kai en pash periptwsei kanei kai mia sygkekrimenh kritikh sto Ntabos. Taytoxrona, exw dei mia xqesinh synenteyjh toy Ypoyrgoy Politismoy k. Benizeloy, sthn opoia leei oti h ejwterikh politikh ths Kybernhshs Shmith einai synexeia ths ejwterikhs politikhs twn Kybernhsewn Papandreoy. Qa hqela na sxoliasete ypo ayto to pneyma tis apoceis poy diatypwnei o prwhn Prwqypoyrgos.

REPPAS: Nomizw oti o k. Mhtsotakhs proebh s' ayth th dhlwsh mono kai mono gia na krinei arnhtika ton Andrea Papandreoy. Ayto einai pantelws adikaiologhto gia polloys logoys. Kyriws giati o Andreas Papandreoy ston tomea ths ejwterikhs politikhs, apo th stigmh poy egine Prwqypoyrgos, alla kai prin, me diafores protaseis kai eishghseis, pisteyw oti akoloyqhse mia politikh h opoia htan kai eqnika symferoysa kai wfelimh, alla kai anedeije to xarakthra ths Ellados ws xwras, h opoia mporei na yperaspistei ta dikaia, ta dikaiwmata kai ta symferonta ths, me tropo apofasistiko kai apotelesmatiko. Exoyme polla tetoia paradeigmata. Den xreiazetai na kanw mneia gegonotwn. Exoyn katagrafei istorika kai einai se gnwsh twn pantwn. Einai, loipon, adiko gia ton Andrea Papandreoy, o opoios den yparxei pleon en zwh, na askeitai mia tetoia politikh kritikh, h opoia einai mikrocyxh kai aprephs. Poly perissotero otan den anaferetai se sygkekrimena stoixeia. "Erasitexnhs o Andreas Papandreoy" einai enas xarakthrismos o opoios jefeygei twn oriwn twn xarakthrismwn ths politikhs kritikhs. Qa mporoysa na pw polla gia thn ejwterikh politikh toy k. Mhtsotakh. Den exw kanena logo na to kanw twra, giati akribws den qelw na anadeijw tis diafores oi opoies yparxoyn se xeirismoys poy exoyn kanei kata kairoys gia ta eqnika qemata oi ellhnikes kybernhseis. Poly perissotero shmera poy xreiazetai na yparxei omocyxia kai koinh stash apenanti sta megala qemata, ta opoia antimetwpizei h xwra. Pantws, qa elega pws einai apo toys teleytaioys, o prwhn Proedros ths Neas Dhmokratias, poy mporoyn na krinoyn ton Andrea Papandreoy, idiaitera gia qemata ejwterikhs politikhs. O Andreas Papandreoy synebale, wste h Ellada na einai mia xwra yperhfanh kai oi Ellhnes na noiwqoyn ena aisqhma eqnikhs ajioprepeias ston ypertato baqmo.

T. MPERMPERAKHS: Xqes, h Agkyra diatypwse thn protash gia amesh synanthsh twn "Sofwn". Qa hqela to sxolio sas.

REPPAS: Gnwrizete oti h prwtoboylia gia th dhmioyrgia twn omadwn empeirognwmonwn eixe analhfqei apo thn Eyrwpadkh Enwsh. H ellhnikh pleyra, me epistolh ths, eixe zhthsei ayth th synanthsh. H synanthsh ayth den egine ejaitias ths arnhshs ths allhs pleyras. Einai eyrwpadkh ayth h prwtoboylia. To qema ayto qa syzhthqei sto Symboylio twn Ypoyrgwn Ejwterikwn ths E.E. tis epomenes hmeres. Emeis pisteyoyme pws prepei na ejelixqei ws eyrwpadkh h prwtoboylia ayth, opws akribws jekinhse kai den katanooyme toys logoys arnhshs ths Toyrkias.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, opoios den chfisei to forologiko nomosxedio, qetei ton eayto toy ektos Koinoboyleytikhs Omadas;

REPPAS: Apanthsa se sxetikh erwthsh xqes, gia to qema ayto. Den xreiazetai na kanoyme ypoqeseis. Otan erqei h wra ths chfoforias, qa deite oti h syzhthsh qa einai poly epoikodomhtikh sth Boylh. Pisteyw oti oi boyleytes, me to aisqhma eyqynhs poy toys diakrinei, qa symbaloyn, wste to nomosxedio, otan chfistei kai katastei nomos toy Kratoys, na einai enas forologikos nomos dikaios, antikeimenikos, diafanhs pros to symferon ths oikonomias ths xwras, alla kai twn forologoymenwn politwn.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Ta idia legate kai gia ton Proypologismo kai meta eidame treis na diagrafontai. Sas erwtw eyqews: Opoios den chfisei to forologiko nomosxedio, feygei apo thn Koinoboyleytikh Omada;

REPPAS: Mhn perimenete ayth thn wra na kanoyme askhseis epi xartoy. Parakalw para poly na parameinete s' ayto poy kai xqes eipa, oti oi boyleytes poy sthrizoyn thn Kybernhsh toy PASOK kai apoteloyn thn pleiochfia ths Ellhnikhs Boylhs, me aisqhma eyqynhs, opws se ola ta qemata etsi kai sto sygkekrimeno qa symbaloyn, wste o forologikos nomos na einai artios, plhrhs kai apotelesmatikos.

STAMATOPOYLOS: O Prwqypoyrgos exei kanei askhsh epi xartoy;

REPPAS: O Prwqypoyrgos einai aytos o opoios kateyqynei thn kybernhtikh politikh se oloys toys tomeis kai sto sygkekrimeno. Kai to kanei ayto me poly qetiko kai nomizw anagnwrismena apotelesmatiko tropo.

FILHS: Eseis ektimate to ergo toy Prwqypoyrgoy;

REPPAS: Poio einai to parapono sas;

FILHS: O yfistamenos dhmosiws kai aproklhtws ektima to ergo toy prodstamenoy.

REPPAS: Gnwrizete poly kala oti milw ek meroys ths Kybernhshs kai toy Prwqypoyrgoy kai logiko einai, otan exw mia sygkekrimenh apoch na thn ekfrazw. Ektos an den qelete na ekfrazw tis apoceis ths Kybernhshs kai toy Prwqypoyrgoy. H apoch, loipon, poy exei h Kybernhsh einai ayth. To periergo qa htan na symbainei to antiqeto. Alla polles fores, edw symbainei na epanalambanw kai to aytonohto. Giati polles fores blepw oti ki eseis, otan sxoliazete qemata, kanete tis dikes sas ermhneies. Polles fores, loipon, polla aytonohta pragmata den einai toso aytonohta, oso aytonohta ta nomizoyme. Gi'ayto, akribws, kalo einai na anaferomaste s' ayta.

KACAMPELHS: H Kybernhsh kai o Prwqypoyrgos aytoepainoyntai;

REPPAS: Den exoyn kanena logo na aytoepainoyntai, giati opws antilambaneste oi Kybernhseis kai oi Prwqypoyrgoi anadeiknyontai me thn chfo toy laoy kai oxi me aytoepainoys.

FILHS: Kai me thn chfo twn boyleytwn.

REPPAS: Kai oi boyleytes me thn chfo toy laoy anadeiknyontai, opws gnwrizete poly kala kai eklegontai oloi ypo sygkekrimenh shmaia kai me sygkekrimeno programma. Oi boyleytes eklegontai gia na symparastaqoyn sto ergo mias kybernhshs ths opoias o epikefalhs, ws Prwqypoyrgos einai gnwstos stoys eklogeis. Einai safes ayto.

Sas eyxaristw.

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