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ENHMERWSHS 24.10. 1996

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY KAI MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO k. DHMHTRH REPPA

Geia sas.

* Gnwrizete oti o k. Prwqypoyrgos anaxwrei shmera gia th Mosxa, prokeimenoy na labei meros stis ergasies ths Synodoy toy Organismoy Synergasias Eyjeinoy Pontoy, poy diejagontai ayrio ekei. Qa exei epafes me Prwqypoyrgoys allwn xwrwn poy symmetexoyn s'ayth th Synodo. Anaferw th synanthsh poy qa exei ayrio, Paraskeyh (25.10.96) stis 9. 00 to prwi me ton Prwqypoyrgo ths Rwsias k. Tsernomirntin. Qa syzhthqoyn qemata poy apasxoloyn tis dyo xwres. Oi sxeseis mas, gnwrizete oti einai poly kales. Kai einai shmantiko oti o Rwsos Prwqypoyrgos qa dexqei ton Ellhna Prwqypoyrgo kai qa syzhthsoyn, prin jekinhsei to fortwmeno, etsi ki alliws, programma to opoio exei, mias kai einai o oikodespoths ayths ths Synodoy.

* Sth synexeia, o k. Prwqypoyrgos qa episkefqei th Boydapesth, prokeimenoy na labei meros sth Synodo twn Hgetwn twn Sosialistikwn Kommatwn. Kai qa exei synanthsh, me thn eykairia ayth, me ton omologo toy k. Xorn, Prwqypoyrgo ths Oyggarias.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Ypoyrgoi phgainoyn mazi toy;

REPPAS: Nai. Qa einai kai o k. Pagkalos...

KIAOS: Eseis;

REPPAS: Egw qa paw sthn patrida moy. Einai 28h Oktwbrioy kai prepei na labw meros stis ekdhlwseis poy qa ginoyn ekei. Eimai kai eortazwn kai prepei na meinw sthn Ellada.

MIXAHL: Eipate oti sth Mosxa qa synanthqei me ton k. Tsernomirntin o k. Prwqypoyrgos. Mhpws qa einai sth synanthsh kai o Prwqypoyrgos ths Boylgarias k. Bintenof; Dhladh mhpws exoyme mia trimerh synanthsh;

REPPAS: Oxi. H synanthsh kata to programma poy exei katartisqei, kyrie Mixahl, qa einai synanthsh twn dyo Prwqypoyrgwn.

SOYRMELH: Prin fygei o Prwqypoyrgos synanthqhke h qa synanthqei me kapoio symboylo toy Galloy Proedroy Sirak;

REPPAS: Anakoinwsa xqes oti shmera exei synanthsh o Prwqypoyrgos me ton k. Lenoyar, o opoios einai apestalmenos toy Galloy Proedroy Zak Sirak. O k. Lenoyar anaptyssei thn protash - idea ths Gallias (to memoradum social, opws sas einai perissotero gnwsto) gia to koinwniko proswpo ths Eyrwphs. Einai mia idea ths Gallias poy diatypwqhke gia prwth fora sto Torino, sto plaisio ths Diakybernhtikhs. Kai ayth akribws thn idea anaptyssei o k. Lenoyar ws eidikos apestalmenos toy k. Sirak.

SOYRMELH: Allo qema den qa syzhthqei;

REPPAS: Ayto kai mono.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Ti idiothta exei o k. Lenoyar;

REPPAS: Einai prwhn Ypoyrgos kai ws eidikos apestalmenos toy k. Sirak, ginetai dektos apo ton k. Prwqypoyrgo.

KWNSTANTINIDHS: Qa pragmatopoihqei telika synanthsh Shmith Ntemirel;

REPPAS: Kyrie Kwnstantinidh, exoyme apanthsei gi'ayto tis prohgoymenes hmeres. Den yparxei kati neotero. Den exei programmatisqei kati.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Gia synanthsh (den akoygetai);

REPPAS: Exoyme apanthsei gi'ayto. Den exei allajei tipote sta osa mexri twra exoyme pei.

BITSENTZOY: Giati h Aqhna arneitai h distazei na diatypwsei epishma pros thn Agkyra aithma paratashs toy moratorioym, otan o Ypoyrgos Amynhs fobatai epanalhch qermoy epeisodioy sto Aigaio;

REPPAS: To problhma to opoio prokyptei sto Aigaio kai dhmioyrgei entash kai tribes stis sxeseis twn dyo xwrwn, einai problhma to opoio den sxetizetai genikws me ta gymnasia ta stratiwtika kai tis askhseis poy diejagontai sto Aigaio, alla me thn atakth stratiwtikh drash ths geitonikhs xwras. Ayto einai to problhma. Yparxei to Mnhmonio toy 1988 poy mporei na apotelesei, opws exoyme pei kat'epanalhch, mia kalh bash gia thn proseggish twn dyo xwrwn. Ayto einai kati poy mporei na ajiopoihqei, na ejelixqei kai na dwsei akomh kalytera apotelesmata, prokeimenoy na ejomalynqoyn oi sxeseis Ellados Toyrkias. H anhsyxia h opoia ekfrasqhke, kata th dikh sas ekfrash, den einai tipote allo para mia dhlwsh ths etoimothtas sthn opoia brisketai h Ellada ana pasa stigmh gia na antimetwpisei - epeidh einai dedomenh h epiqetikh kai proklhtikh politikh poy akoloyqei h Toyrkia - opoiodhpote endexomeno. Prepei na eimaste etoimoi, ana pasa stigmh, na antimetwpisoyme opoiadhpote ejelijh, afoy h politikh poy akoloyqei h Toyrkia enanti ths Ellados exei parei monima xarakthristika. Xarakthristika ta opoia deixnoyn oti h geitonikh xwra den epiqymei proseggish, filia kai synergasia. Emeis, ws xwra, epeidh akribws qeloyme ayth thn proseggish, eimaste diateqeimenoi, ef'oson h Toyrkia akoloyqei toys dieqneis kanones, na laboyme to mhnyma. Alla prepei prwta h Toyrkia na steilei kapoio mhnyma gia na mporei o apodekths na labei mhnyma. Den mporeis na labeis mhnyma, otan den yparxei mhnyma. H Toyrkia tetoio mhnyma den mas stelnei.

BITSENTZOY: Ayto shmainei oti den prepei na perimenoyme apo thn Ellada kammia analhch kapoias diplwmatikhs prwtoboylias poy qa anetrepe ayth thn tajh twn pragmatwn.

REPPAS: Yparxei mia diafora: Oti h Ellada einai h xwra h opoia sebetai to Dieqnes Dikaio kai threi tis symfwnies kai synqhkes, opws kai toys kanones poy prepei na diepoyn thn kinhsh twn stratiwtikwn dynamewn sto Aigaio kai h Toyrkia einai h xwra poy den dexetai tipote ap'ola ayta. Parabiazei to Dieqnes Dikaio kai parabainei toys kanones aytoys. An, loipon, kai h Toyrkia opws kai h Ellada symmorfwqei kai einai synephs stoys kanones aytoys, tote pragmatika dhmioyrgeitai ena neo klima, exoyme nea dedomena ta opoia prepei na ejetasoyme. Gi'ayto to qema milhsame kai xqes kai alles fores.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Eipate oti o k. Prwqypoyrgos qa exei epafes sth Mosxa. Einai kati sygkekrimeno, ektos apo ton k. Tsernomirntin; Se sxesh me thn Toyrkia (den akoygetai);

REPPAS: Exoyn zhthsei synanthsh, epikoinwnia me ton Ellhna Prwqypoyrgo oi omologoi toy apo diafores xwres. Endeiktika mporw na anaferw thn Albania, th Gewrgia, thn Oykrania, to Azermpaitzan. Alla, epeidh to qema poy qetete, teqhke kai tis prohgoymenes hmeres, to eqese shmera kai o k. Kwnstantinidhs, sas lew oti den exei allajei tipota sxetika me piqanh synanthsh toy k. Shmith me ton k. Ntemirel. Den exei allajei tipote se sxesh me ayta poy exoyme pei mexri twra. Thn Toyrkia ekproswpei o k. Ntemirel kai qa einai kai h kyria Tsiler.

GARGALAKOS: Exete kapoio sxolio gia th synedriash ths Kentrikhs Epitrophs toy kommatos ths Ajiwmatikhs Antipoliteyshs;

REPPAS: Ayta einai eswterika qemata enos kommatos kai oi teleytaioi oi opoioi qa exoyn to logo na to sxoliasoyn, eimaste emeis. Oxi giati den mas prokaloyn to endiaferon, alla giati prepei na throyntai kanones sth leitoyrgia toy politikoy systhmatos tetoioi, poy qa apodidoyn sto politiko systhma synepeia, eystaqeia kai deontologia. Stoixeia poy einai aparaithta gia ena ygies politiko systhma. Ayto poy genika mporw na pw ws sxolio einai oti qeloyme h Nea Dhmokratia, opws kai ola ta politika kommata na leitoyrgoyn kai sthn prajh na apodeiknyetai oti einai xrhsima kai wfelima kommata gia thn patrida kai ton ellhniko lao.

GARGALAKOS: Na rwthsw kai kati allo paremferes, poy afora thn Kybernhsh. Megalh apogeymatikh efhmerida exei ena oloselido reportaz, mesa apo to opoio bgainei oti h ka Basw Papandreoy kanei mia hgetikh paroysia kai emfanish, pontarontas sth meta Shmith epoxh. Mporeite na to sxoliasete;

REPPAS: Na sxoliasw dhmosieymata efhmeridwn; Den exw kanena logo na to kanw. To mono poy exw na pw einai oti h ka Papandreoy einai ena stelexos, Ypoyrgos kai melos toy Ektelestikoy Grafeioy toy PASOK, poy, ek twn pragmatwn, exei drasthriothtes tetoies oi opoies kai probolh, etsi ki alliws, ths didoyn, alla kai th qetoyn sto epikentro twn drasthriothtwn toy kommatos kai ths Kybernhshs mas.

LAKOPOYLOS: An gnwrizw kala, to krithrio basei toy opoioy prosklhqhkan 28 boyleytes apo thn ka Papandreoy gia na toys enhmerwsei gia to ergo ths, htan oti einai neoi boyleytes. Qelw na sas rwthsw mhpws gnwrizete, ean o Prwqypoyrgos h alloi Ypoyrgoi protiqentai na kalesoyn thn idia omada boyleytwn, me to idio krithrio, prokeimenoy na toys enhmerwsoyn analogws.

REPPAS: Kaqe Ypoyrgos, prokeimenoy na ejyphrethsei perissotero thn prospaqeia poy kanei h Kybernhsh gia thn ylopoihsh ths politikhs ths, nomizw oti mporei na lambanei tetoioy eidoys prwtoboylies, einai xrhsimes. Kai prepei oi Ypoyrgoi na anaptyssoyn prwtoboylies, ajiopoiwntas th fantasia toys, ajiopoiwntas idees, ajiopoiwntas dynatothtes kai eykairies oi opoies parexontai.

LAKOPOYLOS: O Prwqypoyrgos;

REPPAS: O Prwqypoyrgos exei proedreysei se dyo synedriaseis ths Koinoboyleytikhs Omadas kai exei epikoinwnia me toys boyleytes, me diaforoys tropoys.

LASKARIDHS: H Kybernhsh den antimetwpizei kanena problhma me tetoioy eidoys synanthseis; Giati eprokeito peri synanthshs oxi twn melwn toy KTE, toy Ypoyrgeioy Anaptyjhs, to opoio den exei sygkrothqei akomh, alla prokeitai gia megalyterh omada boyleytwn.

REPPAS: Nomizw, einai wfelimo, einai xrhsimo, boyleytes oi opoioi gia prwth fora eiserxontai sto Ellhniko Koinoboylio, na exoyn thn eykairia na enhmerwnontai gia to antikeimeno, gia tis leitoyrgies enos Ypoyrgeioy.Ayto einai kati to opoio h ka Papandreoy qewrhse oti eprepe na kanei kai poly kalws ekane kai proxwrhse s'ayth thn prwtoboylia. Den dhmioyrgeitai kanena apolytws problhma. Problhma dhmioyrgeitai otan sto plaisio mias Kybernhshs enos kommatos den yparxei drash, den yparxoyn prwtoboylies, den yparxei kinhsh. Otan akribws yparxoyn prwtoboylies oi opoies dinoyn th dynatothta sto plaisio ths syllogikhs drasthriothtas na metexoyn oso ginetai perissoteroi sthn prowqhsh toy kybernhtikoy ergoy, alla kai na synteloyn sto na dhmioyrgeitai akribws mia eikona drasthrias Kybernhshs, nomizw oti ta apotelesmata einai pantote qetika.

LAKOPOYLOS: Epeidh den enhmerwqhkan mono, alla efagan kiolas kai h peira leei pws, otan h ka Papandreoy trwei me kapoioys, kati ginetai meta...

REPPAS: Emeis, kyrie Lakopoyle, sto PASOK trwme - en parenqesei ayto - edesmata kai oxi anqrwpoys, opws ginetai se alla kommata.

MIXAHL: Jerete an syzhthqhkan sth sygkekrimenh synanthsh ths kas Papandreoy me toys boyleytes kai alla qemata plhn twn qematwn poy aforoyn to Ypoyrgeio Anaptyjhs;

REPPAS: Otan synantwntai anqrwpoi poy anhkoyn sto idio komma kai exoyn ayth thn idiothta (einai synadelfoi boyleytes, dhladh), asfalws politika stelexh einai, politikh syzhthsh ginetai. Den prokeitai gia syzhthsh yphresiakoy xarakthra. Asfalws yparxei enhmerwsh, yparxei kateyqynsh, asfalws kai antallassontai problhmatismoi gia sygkekrimeno antikeimeno. Alla, qa htan anohto na perimenei kaneis oti me thn eykairia ayth den qa diatypwqoyn ap' oloys toys metexontes kai apoceis kai problhmatismoi poy exoyn genikotero endiaferon.

MIXAHL: Synepws, kyrie Ypoyrge, den aforoyse h synanthsh mono to ti protiqetai na kanei h ka Papandreoy sto Ypoyrgeio ths. Dioti, ayto mporoyme na to maqoyme, opws poly swsta parathrhse o k. Laskaridhs, mesw toy armodioy KTE. Synepws, aforoyse kai thn eyryterh politikh ths Kybernhshs. Ara, mia tetoia kinhtikothta, me tetoio periexomeno, den sas problhmatizei;

REPPAS: Aporw giati epimenete me epanalambanomenes erwthseis gia to idio qema. Prwton, se kaqe KTE den symmetexoyn toso polloi boyleytes. Kai deyteron, prepei na sas pw oti exei logo na problhmatisqei kapoios, epeidh synanthqhkan kapoioi synadelfoi, synefagan kai antallajan apoceis, me aformh thn prosklhsh enos Ypoyrgoy se neoys synadelfoys; Den antilambanomai akribws ti einai ayto to opoio...

MIXAHL: Einai asynhqisth mia tetoia prosklhsh, ayto einai to zhthma.

REPPAS: Polla pragmata ginontai gia prwth fora, apoktoyn kapoia ajia kai epanalambano- ntai. Mporei kai kapoios allos Ypoyrgos na analabei analogh prwtoboylia. Giati sas kanei entypwsh ayto; Pisteyw pws tetoies diadikasies einai diafaneis kai ygieis sto politiko systhma. Na antallassontai apoceis, na synantwntai ta politika stelexh, na enhmerwnontai. Qewrw oti einai mia diadikasia politika ygiestath.

KIAOS: Dhladh to klima ths synanthshs...

REPPAS: Jerete ti parathrw; O k. Mixahl leei "synepws", lete eseis "dhladh", wste na synexizetai to qema san na bgazete to symperasma sas ap'o,ti eipa egw, enw eseis bgazete allo symperasma ap'ayta poy lew. Ayth einai h diafora.

KIAOS: Qelw na pw oti, opws mas eipate xqes gia to klima sthn Kybernhtikh Epitroph, kai ekei antallajan apoceis... To oti htan klima synoxhs, klima omoiogeneias, klima synergasias xqes, to idio klima htan kai s'ayth th synanthsh, as poyme;

REPPAS: Prepei na pw oti to klima ek twn pragmatwn einai filiko, einai klima synergasias. Alla bebaiws einai diaforetiko to antikeimeno, einai diaforetiko to pedio sto opoio anaptyssetai ayth h syzhthsh. Mporw na pw, oti edw den lambanontai kapoies apofaseis, den ejetazontai kapoies politikes sygkekrimena, den einai organo, einai mia politikh synergasia poy exei kai to xarakthra ths koinwnikhs ekdhlwshs. Einai synadelfoi poy synantwntai kai syzhtoyn.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, o Prwqypoyrgos eixe enhmerwqei gi'ayto to geyma;

REPPAS: O k. Prwqypoyrgos den eixe prosklhqei, wste ek twn proterwn na enhmerwqei. Twra, an hjere apo prin h emaqe meta oti egine ayth h synanthsh, einai kati poy den to gnwrizw. Alla, asfalws, aythn thn wra poy syzhtoyme, o Prwqypoyrgos to gnwrizei, dioti hdh exei grafei ston Typo h einai hdh gnwsto. Alla prepei na sas pw, oti kai egw meta to emaqa.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Apo tis efhmerides to emaqe dhladh;

REPPAS: Ayto to lete eseis. Egw eipa, den gnwrizw ean to hjere apo prin h meta. Giati ean eixe prosklhqei, einai bebaio oti qa to hjere apo prin. Sas lew oti den eixe prosklhqei.Ayto omws den apokleiei na to hjere apo prin, giati me thn ka Papandreoy, opws kai me alloys Ypoyrgoys, syzhta synexws gia diafora qemata.

GARGALAKOS: Den sas apasxolhse ayto ston prwino kafe, kyrie Ekproswpe;

REPPAS: Den mas apasxolhse, dioti den yphrje prwinos kafes shmera, logw toy tajidioy kai toy gematoy programmatos toy Prwqypoyrgoy.

MOYRTZHS: Den sas apasxolhse to oti h ka Papandreoy aresketai se mia yperprobolh ths sta Mesa Mazikhs Enhmerwshs; Kai epidiwkei pantote na brisketai sto epikentro toy endiaferontos;

REPPAS: Apanthsa se allh erwthsh, oti ek twn pragmatwn brisketai sto epikentro probolhs, dioti einai melos ths Politikhs Grammateias toy Ektelestikoy Grafeioy, einai koryfaia Ypoyrgos afoy symmetexei kai sthn Kybernhtikh Epitroph kai einai kai mia dhmofilhs politikos sthn patrida mas. Logiko einai loipon, epeidh fainetai oti o ellhnikos laos, o opoios thn chfizei, ths dinei megalh eklogikh dynamh, endiaferetai gia th drasthriothta ths, anagkazei esas - epeidh o laos parakoloyqei ta Mesa kai diabazei tis efhmerides stis opoies grafete - na anaferesqe syxnotata sthn ka Papandreoy. H probolh ayth perna mesa apo sas, den ginetai aytomatws. Mh rwtate emena gia thn probolh poy ejasfalizete eseis se mena h se opoiondhpote allon. Loipon, den thn epiballei kaneis.

KWNSTANTHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, an pragmatopoihsoyn sto prosexes diasthma paromoies synanthseis alla hgetika stelexh, opws o k. Arsenhs, o k. Tsoxatzopoylos, o k. Laliwths qa exete ta idia qetika sxolia;

REPPAS: Ma, kaqe synanthsh kai syzhthsh einai, pisteyw - otan ginetai me ayton ton tropo - ena qetiko gegonos. Den mporei kaneis na to sxoliasei arnhtika. Aloimono an qewrhqoyn paranomes tetoioy eidoys politikes kai koinwnikes drasthriothtes. Parakalw, mhn enoxopoioyme anqrwpoys oi opoioi synantwntai kai antallassoyn apoceis sto plaisio mias synergasias poy ek twn pragmatwn exoyn.

KARAKWSTAS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, protiqesqe na analabete kai eseis kapoia analogh...;

REPPAS: Den exw tetoio antikeimeno to opoio na me kanei na noiwqw oti prepei na kanw me toys synadelfoys moy mia tetoia synergasia eidikh. Etsi ki alliws, me toys synadelfoys, oxi me oloys mazi, alla me ton kaqena xwrista, qa elega me oloys sxedon, exw synexh epikoinwnia ek twn pragmatwn, gia qemata poy prokyptoyn kaqhmerina.

FILHS: Yparxoyn ejelijeis sthn Eyrwph poy aforoyn thn Ellada kai den eidame mia dhmosia toylaxiston topoqethsh apo thn ellhnikh pleyra. Einai h anakoinwsh ths Gallias kai ths Germanias gia to pws qeloyn na yparjei to sxhma ths Enwmenhs Eyrwphs me thn katarghsh ths arxhs ths omofwnias se ola ta qemata. To deytero einai oti symfwna me plhrofories h Irlandikh Proedria, sto prosxedio toy telikoy keimenoy poy qa paroysiasei to Dekembrio sth Synodo Koryfhs gia th Diakybernhtikh den perilambanei thn pagia epidiwjh ths Elladas gia thn katoxyrwsh twn ejwterikwn synorwn ths E.E. Yparxei kapoio sxolio gia tis ejelijeis aytes, dedomenoy oti th Deytera qa syzhthqoyn ta problhmata ayta kata kapoio tropo sto Symboylio...

REPPAS: To sxolio poy kanw, apantwntas sthn erwthsh sas, einai to ejhs: H Ellhnikh Kybernhsh, gi'ayta ta qemata, ek twn prwtwn Kybernhsewn exei dwsei tis qeseis ths. Exei steilei ypomnhma sthn Irlandikh Proedria kai exei katasthsei safes oti antitiqetai se opoiadhpote idea dhmioyrgias dieyqynthrioy sto plaisio ths E.E. Pisteyoyme oti toylaxiston gia ta qemata poy aptontai ths asfaleias kai ths akeraiothtas ths xwras to veto, h arxh ths omofwnias, einai ek twn wn oyk aney sto plaisio ths leitoyrgias twn organwn ths E.E. Prepei na sas pw oti oi plhrofories poy exete einai plhrofories oi opoies asfalws erxontai apo phges poy proskeintai sthn Irlandikh Proedria. Ejetazoyme ta panta ta opoia mporoyn na fqasoyn kai se mas, prokeimenoy na xarajoyme mia tetoia stash kai na antimetwpisoyme kaqe endexomeno ekeinh thn wra ths syzhthshs. H qesh mas einai safhs. Sas exw pei polles fores oti sta plaisia twn organwn ths E.E., ginetai diarkhs diapragmateysh gia diafora qemata. S'ayth th diapragmateysh exoyme eiselqei ek twn pragmatwn kai dinoyme ton agwna yperaspizomenoi ta eqnika mas symferonta. Ayto qa kanoyme kai twra. Asfalws, qa eimaste eytyxeis, an oi apofaseis oi opoies lambanontai einai taytoshmes me tis dikes mas qeseis. An ayto den symbainei, den shmainei oti stamatoyme thn prospaqeia mas. Synexizoyme sthn idia kateyqynsh poy sas einai gnwsth. Prepei na poyme oti h Ellada einai anamesa stis dyo h treis xwres ths E.E. oi opoies prwtes esteilan tis qeseis toys gia ta qemata ths Diakybernhtikhs sthn Irlandikh Proedria. Kai gia to sygkekrimeno qema toy "gallo-germanikoy" ajona, opws apokaleitai apo polloys, sto plaisio ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs.

FILHS: Pali apo eyrwpaikh phgh diatypwnetai to ejhs erwthma: Giati o k. Pagkalos esteile dia toy k. Kranidiwth, kaqysterhmena mia epistolh sxetika me to problhma poy anefera, dhladh oti apokleietai h katoxyrwsh twn ejwterikwn synorwn ths E.E. sto prosxedio ths Irlandikhs Proedrias, me apotelesma, na mhn mporei diadikastika na syzhthqei to qema meqayrio, Deytera, sto Symboylio twn YPEJ ths E.E.;

REPPAS: Anaferesqe se ena problhma diadikastiko, opws to onomasate kai eseis. Prepei na sas pw oti h qesh ths Ellhnikhs Kybernhshs gia to sygkekrimeno zhthma einai gnwsth se oloys, giati exei diatypwqei egkairws. Exoyme syzhthsei gia th qesh ayth mhnes prin. Otan jekinhsan oi ergasies ths Diakybernhtikhs. Ara, parelkei ayth thn wra na syzhtoyme gia eyqynes h ypaitiothta toy Ypoyrgeioy Ejwterikwn, oson afora kaqysterhsh sth diatypwsh kai probolh kapoiwn qesewn mas gia to qema ayto. Peran toy oti einai safeis, exoyn diatypwqei egkairws, wste na einai gnwstes se oloys. Kai stis qeseis aytes emmenoyme. Eimaste ek twn prwtwn poy exoyme aposafhnisei poies einai oi qeseis mas gia ta qemata ayta, me kaqe leptomereia.

FILHS: An h Ellada ekfwnei mono...;

REPPAS: H Ellada einai apo toys synepeis etairoys s'aytes tis diadikasies. Kai prepei na sas pw oti eimaste apo tis xwres poy gia ola ayta ta qemata, gia ta perissotera estw, exoyme proteinei analytikes qeseis. H Ellada deixnei idiaiterh epimeleia, oson afora th symmetoxh ths sta organa ths E.E.

MOYRTZHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, eixate mia synergasia shmera, an den kanw laqos, me ton Proedro ths ERT k. Panagiwtoy. Ti aforoyse ayth h synergasia; Qa yparjoyn allages sthn hgesia ths ERT;

REPPAS: Den qa elega oti eixame kapoia programmatismenh synergasia. Logiko einai na synergazetai mazi moy o k. Panagiwtoy, ws Proedros ths ERT. Briskomaste ws ek toytoy se mia synexh epikoinwnia. Prepei na sas pw oti apofash mas einai na proxwrhsoyme stis organwtikes anadiarqrwseis kai programmatikes allages poy qewroyme oti qa dwsoyn sthn ERT to proswpo poy prepei na exei, wste na antapokriqei sthn apostolh ths. Gnwrizete oti h Epitroph poy exei systaqei gia to programma ths ERT synexizei to ergo ths. H Epitroph ayth synedriase hdh, qa synedriasei kai pali thn erxomenh ebdomada, prokeimenoy na katalhjei sthn telikh ths qesh. Oson afora to teleytaio erwthma sas den yparxei qema allaghs sthn hgesia ths ERT.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Poios ekproswphse xqes thn Kybernhsh sthn enqronish toy k. Cyxarh;

REPPAS: Kyrie Stamatopoyle, den gnwrizw poios akribws ekproswphse thn Kybernhsh sthn enqronish toy k. Cyxarh. Ayto poy gnwrizw einai oti o k. Cyxarhs anelabe kaqhkonta me oloys toys typoys.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Den phge kaneis apo thn Kybernhsh sthn enqronish;

REPPAS: Kyrie Stamatopoyle, sas eipa oti den gnwrizw an phge kapoios apo thn Kybernhsh. Ayto poy gnwrizw einai oti anelabe kaqhkonta o k. Cyxarhs me oloys toys typoys. Ola exoyn ginei etsi wste na einai pleon - kai me th boyla poy leme - Dioikhths toy Agioy Oroys.

MOSXOBAS: Shmerino dhmosieyma anaferei oti o k. Shmiths den htan enhmeros gia thn topoqethsh toy k. Cyxarh. Qelw na sas rwthsw htan enhmeros gia thn apofash toy k. Pagkaloy o Prwqypoyrgos h aifnidiasthke;

REPPAS: H apofash ayth einai apofash toy Ypoyrgoy Ejwterikwn. Oi Ypoyrgoi exoyn armodiothta kai pairnoyn apofaseis gia seira qematwn gia ta opoia den einai aparaithto na einai enhmerwmenos o Prwqypoyrgos. Den einai dynaton kaqe ypoyrgos prin labei opoiadhpote apofash na enhmerwnei ton Prwqypoyrgo. O Prwqypoyrgos enhmerwnetai gia orismena qemata ta opoia exoyn jexwristh shmasia kai gi' ayto synergazetai me toys ypoyrgoys toy.

MOSXOBAS: Den moy apanthsate. Sas erwtw, aifnidiasthke o Prwqypoyrgos;

REPPAS: Sas apanthsa. Den aifnidiasthke.

GARGALAKOS: H epilogh toy k. Cyxarh apo ton k. Pagkalo otan egine, egine en gnwsei toy Prwqypoyrgoy h o k. Shmiths thn emaqe katopin eorths;

REPPAS: Kyrie Gargalako, h epilogh ayth htan epilogh toy ypoyrgoy Ejwterikwn. Gia thn epilogh toy ayth den eixe enhmerwqei o Prwqypoyrgos. Alla bebaiws, einai kati to opoio apotelei mia synhqismenh praktikh, sto plaisio leitoyrgias twn ypoyrgwn kai twn sxesewn poy exoyn me ton Prwqypoyrgo. Den einai dynaton kaqe apofash thn opoia lambanei kaqe ypoyrgos na syzhteitai kai me ton Prwqypoyrgo.

KIAOS: Eixate pei oti den qa eixe antirrhsh o Prwqypoyrgos....

REPPAS: Qa parakaloysa, epeidh ayta menoyn, na eisqe akribhs s' ayta ta opoia exw pei.

KIAOS: Syggnwmh, den eixate pei oti den qa eixe antirrhsh o Prwqypoyrgos;

REPPAS: Eipa, oti h epilogh ayth einai toy k. Pagkaloy kai oti gia thn epilogh ayth den eixe kanena logo na exei antirrhsh o k. Prwqypoyrgos. Oxi den qa eixe antirrhsh, den eixe - otan thn plhroforhqhke kai toy eipe o k. Pagkalos oti "ayth einai h epilogh moy" - o k. Prwqypoyr- gos toy eipe oti "ayth einai h epilogh soy".

KIAOS: S' ayto poy lete, den mporei na pei kaneis oti isxyei to idio kai gia tis epiloges poy ginontai stoys Genikoys Grammateis Ypoyrgeiwn, Perifereiwn klp., opoy o Prwqypoyrgos synergazetai me toys Ypoyrgoys;

REPPAS: Ayto afora olh thn Perifereiakh Dioikhsh. Afora toys ekproswpoys ths Kybernhshs se olh thn Epikrateia. Den einai to idio.

KIAOS: Entajei. Epeidh to Agio Oros einai aytonomh perioxh, aytodioikhth. Gi' ayto to lew.Entajei den einai to idio. Apo ekei kai pera, giati to ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn ebgale anakoinwsh miamish mera meta afotoy orkisthke o k. Cyxarhs kai o anaplhrwths Dioikhths, opws to anaferei, gia ton k. Kasmirogloy kai den ebgale anakoinwsh thn idia hmera gia na enhmerwsei ton ellhniko lao;

REPPAS: H kritikh einai giati ebgale meta apo miamish mera anakoinwsh;

KIAOS: Oxi kritikh, erwthsh einai.

REPPAS: Giati, tote ekrine to Ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn oti eprepe na bgalei thn anakoinwsh. Ayth einai h apanthsh moy.

FILHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, apo tote poy anakoinwqhke o diorismos toy k. Cyxarh mexri shmera exoyn symbei arketa pragmata. Ayth h apofash toy k. Pagkaloy exei ginei antikeimeno kritikhs apo polloys kai apo merida toy Typoy. Exei ginei syzhthsh sth Boylh, edw polles fores exoyme syzhthsei. Sas erwtw loipon. H Kybernhsh qewrei oti to qema ayto htan ena qema to opoio den eprepe na syzhthsei se politiko epipedo prin probei o k. Pagkalos ston diorismo toy k. Cyxarh; Ek ths ejelijews toy qematos lew pantote, den afora to qema ayto th genikh eikona ths Kybernhshs; Einai qema mias apofashs se enan tomea eidiko, eidikotato; Einai ena elasson qema toy kybernhtikoy ergoy;

REPPAS: Kyrie Filh, einai sthn armodiothta toy ypoyrgoy Ejwterikwn ayth h epilogh. Gia thn Kybernhsh to qema ayto exei kleisei ton kyklo toy. Den apasxolei thn Kybernhsh.

FILHS: Den moy apanthsate. Yfistatai meta ton diorismo qema;

REPPAS: Eseis pisteyete oti yfistatai qema; Egw sas lew oti gia thn Kybernhsh einai ena qema to opoio exei kleisei ton kyklo toy.

FILHS: Egw lew, oti yparxei qema meta to diorismo.To syzhtame synexeia.Sas eipa sth Boylh syzhtietai, edw to syzhtame, o Typos asxoleitai kaqhmerina.H Kybernhsh h opoia einai eyaisqhtos dekths twn laikwn h allwn antidrasewn...

REPPAS: Xairomai poy to anagnwrizete.

FILHS: Oxi, eipa symfwna me th dikh ths dhlwsh. Den pisteyete oti qa eprepe na asxolhqei me to megalo qema gia to diorismo toy k. Cyxarh;

REPPAS: Afoy, loipon, eseis den dexeste oti eimaste eyaisqhtos dekths aytwn twn laikwn antidrasewn giati perimenete na exoyme diaforetikh stash;

FILHS: Sas erwtw pali. Yfistatai meta to diorismo qema kata th gnwmh sas;

REPPAS: Epanerxomai sthn prohgoymenh apanthsh moy. To qema ayto exei kleisei ws qema ton kyklo toy.

MOYRTZHS: Epeidh o k. Cyxarhs exei mia diplh idiothta, dhladh einai dieyqynths kai ekdoths mias efhmeridas kai twra einai kai Dioikhths toy Agioy Oroys,giati den syzhthqhke se politiko epipedo to qema prin anakoinwqei apo ton k. Pagkalo o diorismos toy k. Cyxarh kai efere ton Prwqypoyrgo pro tetelesmenoy;

REPPAS: Kyrie Moyrtzh mporeite na bgalete opoiodhpote symperasma. Parakalw mhn apodidete se emena ola osa einai dika sas kai mono. Deyteron, oi xeirismoi oi opoioi eginan einai xeirismoi poy etsi ki alliws problepontai, sto plaisio twn nomwn kai ths leitoyrgias ths Kybernhshs kai gi' ayto den exoyme na sxoliasoyme tipote perissotero.

LAKOPOYLOS: Qelw na sas rwthsw - kai qelw na einai kaqarh h apanthsh

REPPAS: An einai kaqarh h erwthsh, qa einai kaqarh kai h apanthsh.

LAKOPOYLOS: Kaqarh, kaqarotath. H epilogh toy k. Cyxarh einai h den einai apofash ths Kybernhshs;

REPPAS: Ma, kaqe apofash poy pairnei o kaqe Ypoyrgos ekfrazei thn Kybernhsh. Den einai apofash h opoia einai....

LAKOPOYLOS: Den sas erwtw an ekfrazei thn Kybernhsh, alla an einai apofash ths Kybernhshs.

REPPAS: Ma, einai apofash ths Kybernhshs.Alla oi apofaseis ths Kybernhshs lambanontai analogws, ths periptwsews, me mia orismenh diadikasia. Alles lambanei to Ypoyrgiko Symboylio, alles lambanei h Kybernhtikh Epitroph, alles lambanei to KYSEA, ta syllogika kybernhtika organa, alles lambanei o Prwqypoyrgos, alles lambanoyn oi armodioi ypoyrgoi. Alles lambanoyn oi Genikoi Grammateis.Yparxei mia diarqrwsh, mia ierarxia kai mia leitoyrgia h opoia dinei thn dynatothta stoys kybernhtikoys paragontes, gia qemata ta opoia ejetazoyn, na lambanoyn tis sxetikes apofaseis.

LAKOPOYLOS: Dhladh, oi opoies apofaseis, einai apofaseis ths Kybernhsews.

REPPAS: Asfalws ths Kybernhsews. Ths Kybernhsews ths Ellados. Bebaiws. Den einai dynaton na einai ths Antipoliteysews.

Sas eyxaristw poly.

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