BRIEFING 14-06-96

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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY KAI MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS 14/6/96

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY KAI MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO k. DHMHTRH REPPA

DHMOSIOGRAFOI: Qa thn exoyme;

REPPAS: Nai, qa thn exete. Einai mia enhmerwtikh epistolh, h opoia exei apostalei apo ton Prwqypoyrgo stoys hgetes jenwn xwrwn kai dieqnwn organismwn. Stoys hgetes twn xwrwn - melwn ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs, twn Hnwmenwn Politeiwn kai ths Rwsias, ton Proedro ths Eyrwpaikhs Epitrophs, k. Santer kai toys epikefalhs toy OHE ton k. Gkali kai toy NATO ton k. Solana.

POYLIDOY: Meta th synedriash toy KYSEA mas eixate pei oti h Kybernhsh qa qesei se oloys toys dieqneis organismoys kai ta dieqnh FORA to qema ths toyrkikhs proklhtikothtas. Mporeite na mas peite pws eteqh sto NATO;

REPPAS: Kyria Poylidoy, to qema ayto tiqetai prwta apo ola me thn epistolh thn opoia exei aposteilei o Ellhnas Prwqypoyrgos. Deyteron, me tis syzhthseis - diatypwsh kai probolh twn ellhnikwn qesewn stis syzhthseis aytes - poy eixe h hgesia toy Ypoyrgeioy Ejwterikwn. Kai triton, me thn enhmerwtikh prospaqeia thn opoia anelabe - epityxws as moy epitrapei na pw - o k. Arsenhs stis syzhthseis, kat' idian, dimerws poy eixe me toys Ypoyrgoys Amynas twn allwn xwrwn, sta plaisia twn ergasiwn toy NATO. H syzhthsh ayth pisteyoyme, se oles tis periptwseis, einai apodotikh kai synanta thn katanohsh kai thn apodoxh ths allhs pleyras, kaqe fora. Xwris bebaiws - to exw epishmanei kai egw ayto - na ftanei mexri to shmeio wste dhmosiws oi alles xwres, oi organismoi, oi politikoi paragontes, na diatypwnoyn qeseis, oi opoies briskontai se apolyth armonia, taytish kai symptwsh me tis dikes mas qeseis.

POYLIDOY: Kriqhke askopo dhladh na teqei sto plaisio toy Symboylioy...;

REPPAS: Toy Symboylioy, Ypoyrgwn sto NATO, ennoeite;

POYLIDOY: Nai, toy Symboylioy Ypoyrgwn sto NATO.

REPPAS: Kyria Poylidoy, epeidh den htan sth qematologia ths synedriashs ayths to qema, o Ellhnas Ypoyrgos Amynas qewrhse - kai ta apotelesmata ton dikaiwnoyn - oti htan kalytero na exei mia kat' idian syzhthsh me oloys toys synadelfoys toy gia ayto to qema. Pragma to opoio qa ton bohqhsei na bgalei symperasmata, wste h dhmioyrgia twn proypoqesewn mesa apo aythn thn proergasia na einai tetoia, kai se mia epomenh periptwsh na mporei na qesei to qema epishmws pleon sta organa. Me dedomeno, omws, oti h prospaqeia ayth qa exei ena shmantiko pososto na epityxei na sygkentrwsei th symfwnia kai ths allhs pleyras, twn allwn xwrwn. Giati ayto einai telika poy epidiwketai. Shmasia den exei mono na katagrafetai h apoch mas. Shmasia exei na prohghqei h analogh ekeinh proergasia - wste pera apo to na diatypwqei h apoch mas - h apoch mas ayth na sygkentrwnei kai to endiaferon kai th symfwnia kai ths allhs pleyras.

POYLIDOY: Ti nohma eixe tote h proanaggelia apo ton k. Arsenh oti qa to qesei sta plaisia toy Symboylioy Ypoyrgwn;

REPPAS: Kyria Poylidoy, o k. Arsenhs eipe oti qa enhmerwsei tis alles xwres kai toys synadelfoys toy gia ta qemata ta opoia exoyn prokycei meta apo thn teleytaia ellhno- toyrkikh krish. Ayto ekane o k. Arsenhs.

KARAGIANNH: Kyrie Ypoyrge, se poia stoixeia basizetai h katanohsh, gia thn opoia kai xqes milhsate, se o,ti afora tis ellhnikes qeseis apo th dieqnh koinothta;

REPPAS: Basizetai, ka Karagiannh, sto gegonos oti oydeis mexri shmera apo toys jenoys hgetes me toys opoioys syzhthsan Ellhnes paragontes - ajiwmatoyxoi toy Ypoyrgeioy Ejwterikwn, o Ypoyrgos Amynas - exoyn dexqei oti h qesh ths Toyrkias einai qesh h opoia mporei na syzhthqei. Aporriptoyn ayth th qesh ths Toyrkias gia to qema ths Gaydoy. Einai h prosfath qesh, sthn teleytaia proklhsh ths Toyrkias.

KIAOS: Mono gia th Gaydo;

REPPAS: Ma, ayto htan to qema to opoio syzhthqhke. Einai to teleytaio epikairo qema. Kai eipame oti gi' ayto to qema ginetai h enhmerwsh. Se ayto to qema yparxei katanohsh ths allhs pleyras. Alla bebaiws, epishmws - ayto hdh eipa sthn arxh - h allh pleyra kaqe fora kanei mia synolikh diatypwsh ths qeshs ths, h opoia bebaiws anaferetai se kapoia genikh arxh: Oti prepei na yparxei eyoiwno mellon sthn perioxh h oti prepei h Ellada kai h Toyrkia na lysoyn ta problhmata toys h oti prepei na yparxei sthn perioxh staqerothta kai synennohsh metajy twn dyo xwrwn. Alla gia to sygkekrimeno qema ths Gaydoy, to opoio eteqh prosfatws apo thn Toyrkia kai gia to opoio h Ellhnikh Kybernhsh ekane prospaqeia enhmerwshs twn jenwn paragontwn, h apodoxh kai h katanohsh prepei na sas pw oti einai safhs, einai dedomenh.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Otan lete "katanohsh apo tis alles pleyres", ennoeite kai toys Amerikanoys kai toys Germanoys; Rwtw giati alla deigmata yparxoyn.

REPPAS: Kyrie Stamatopoyle - epanalambanw kai pali - oti stis syzhthseis aytes yparxei katanohsh twn qesewn poy anaptyssoyme. Yparxei aporrich ths toyrkikhs qeshs, h opoia xarakthrizetai me diafores lejeis. Ayto exei ginei kai dhmosiws. Ayto, omws, to opoio - epanalambanw kai pali - den prepei na mas diafeygei allwste, to opoio den exoyme petyxei akomh, einai dhmosiws kai egkyrws h epishmh qesh twn organismwn kai twn xwrwn na einai taytoshmh kai se apolyth symptwsh me th dikh mas qesh, gia tis sxeseis mas me thn Toyrkia.

STAMATOPOYLOS: O k. Kinkel eipe, omws, "breste ta"...

REPPAS: Egw ti eipa k. Stamatopoyle; Den eipa molis prin - den me parakoloyqeite fainetai - oti h epishmh qesh thn opoia ekfrazoyn aytes oi xwres einai mia qesh genikhs ajias kai arxhs oti prepei oi dyo xwres na synennohqoyn, "na ta broyn", wste na ejasfalisqei to eyoiwno mellon sthn perioxh; Enw gia to sygkekrimeno qema poy qetoyme (ths prosfaths diekdikhshs sth Gaydo) h qesh thn opoia pairnoyn oloi oi jenoi hgetes stis jenes xwres einai qesh safhs. Aporriptoyn, dhladh, ayth thn toyrkikh ajiwsh ws steroymenh kaqe logikhs.

MELETHS: Qewrei dhladh, h Kybernhsh oti einai apospasmatika ta qemata ayta. Dhladh to qema ths Gaydoy kai genikotera oi toyrkikes diekdikhseis, einai diaforetiko, den entassontai se ena sygkekrimeno syllogiko plaisio, opws exei pei...;

REPPAS: Epeidh leipate tis prohgoymenes hmeres k. Meleth, qa moy epitrecete na epanalabw aplws oti h teleytaia ayth proklhtikh stash ths Toyrkias, apla dinei mia nea diastash sthn toyrkikh epiqetikothta, h opoia - opws eipa kai ypenqymizw kai epanalambanw - exei pia diarkeia kai exei labei monimo xarakthra. Asfalws den einai jekomenh. Exoyme apanthsei s' ayta ta qemata. Alla den einai qemata ths hmeras. Otan syzhtoyme kaqe hmera edw, prepei na syzhtoyme gia ta qemata ths hmeras h ths kaqe hmeras. Qemata poy ta syzhthsame thn prohgoymenh ebdomada, otan den einai sthn epikairothta kai pali kai exoyme topoqethqei s' ayta, kalo einai na ta epanaferete, alla etsi stereite th dynatothta na syzhtoyme gia qemata ta opoia einai pio "freska".

MELETHS: Egw gia thn epistolh erwtw. Anaferetai mono sth Gaydo;

REPPAS: H epistolh anaferetai sta teleytaia gegonota ta opoia proklhqhkan meta tis apaithseis ths Toyrkias.

GARGALAKOS: H Ellhnikh Kybernhsh anamenei kapoia antidrash apo thn toyrkikh pleyra logw ths episkechs toy Prwqypoyrgoy sth Gaydo;

REPPAS: Kyrie Gargalako, h toyrkikh kybernhsh prwta apo ola prepei na dieykrinisei gia to sygkekrimeno qema poia einai telikws h qesh ths. Giati mexri twra apo ajiwmatoyxoys ths Toyrkias exoyme akoysei treis diaforetikes qeseis. O k. Gilmaz milhse gia politikh dienejh, o k. Gkionensai milhse gia texniko problhma kai o arxhgos toy Genikoy Epiteleioy Naytikoy ths Toyrkias milhse gia ena problhma to opoio exei nomiko xarakthra kai politikes diastaseis epishs. Pisteyw oti h astaqeia kai h reystothta poy yparxei sto eswteriko ths Toyrkias den prepei na ephreazei thn ejwterikh politikh ths Toyrkias se tetoio baqmo, wste na dhmioyrgei- tai mia prosqeth tribh kai entash stis sxeseis ths me thn Ellada. Isa - isa qa prepei na odhghqoyme se apoklimakwsh ayths ths entashs. H Ellada ayto to epidiwkei. Zhtoyme ayth h prospaqeia ths Ellados na ginei antilhpth ws prospaqeia poy oloi prepei na th xeirokrotoyn - kai oi jenes xwres - dhladh kai na antimetwpisoyn th stash ths Toyrkias, h opoia prokalei problhmata sthn perioxh. Eipa oti h Toyrkia einai dieqnhs tarajias. O Ellhnas Prwqypoyrgos exei dikaiwma na episkefqei th Gaydo, opws exei dikaiwma na episkefqei opoiodhpote shmeio ths ellhnikhs epikrateias. Kai, bebaiws, den qa zhthsei thn adeia apo opoiondhpote gia thn episkech toy ayth. Oi antidraseis ths Toyrkias, sth sygkekrimenh periptwsh, mas einai pantelws adiafores.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kai thn Imia mporei na episkefqei;

REPPAS: O Ellhnas Prwqypoyrgos mporei na episkefqei opoiodhpote shmeio ths Elladas. Alla ayto to kanei gia na proaspisei ta symferonta mas, na prowqhsei tis qeseis mas. Kai den to kanei, paradidomenos ston eykolo entypwsiasmo. Thn Imia thn anakalycan meta apo 47 xronia, polloi prosfata. Alla o patriwtismos den einai emporeysimo eidos. O patriwtismos einai poly sobarh ypoqesh kai xreiazetai xeirismoys ypeyqynoys, synetoys kai apofasisti- koys, taytoxrona. Kai tetoioys xeirismoys kanei o Ellhnas Prwqypoyrgos kai h Ellhnikh Kybernhsh.

BAREMENOS: Qa ginei syskech twn Politikwn Arxhgwn gia ta ellhno-toyrkika;

REPPAS: Yparxei ayth h skech poy dietypwse o k. Ebert, o opoios episkefqhke shmera ton Proedro ths Dhmokratias. Prepei na sas pw - ypenqymizontas sas - oti o k. Ebert arnhqhke na episkefqei ton Ellhna Prwqypoyrgo, otan eixe prosklhqei gia na syzhthsei mazi toy ta eqnika qemata. Sth synexeia, o k. Ebert den ezhthse na episkefqei ton k. Prwqypoyrgo kai na exei mazi toy syzhthsh gia ta qemata ayta. Pisteyoyme oti - epeidh akribws einai sobara ayta ta qemata kai xreiazontai sobarh antimetwpish - o k. Ebert prepei, epiteloys, na einai etoimos wste ayta ta qemata na ta antimetwpizei me ton tropo me ton opoio armozei. Giati, otan den exei dexqei - den epediwje o idios - na syzhthsei me ton k. Prwqypoyrgo ayta ta qemata, paradidomenos se enan entypwsiasmo kata kairoys kai se fqhna texnasmata, prokeimenoy na syspeirwsei to kommatiko toy akroathrio kai na jeperasei me epitropes eklogikoy agwna thn eklogikh agwnia poy o idios exei, den einai logiko, na bazei shmera qema Symboylioy Politikwn arxhgwn gia na syzhthsei kati to opoio o k. Ebert den epediwje na syzhthsei me ton Ellhna Prwqypoyrgo, epi mhnes twra, se mia dimerh synanthsh toys.

GARGALAKOS: Par' ola tayta, ti apantate se ayto;

REPPAS: H Ellhnikh Kybernhsh exei deijei to endiaferon ths. O Ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn k. Pagkalos symmetexei - polles fores exei ginei - sthn armodia Koinoboyleytikh Epitroph kai exei syzhthsei me toys synadelfoys boyleytes ta qemata ejwterikhs politikhs, prosferontas s' aytoys enhmerwsh, leptomerestath, gia tis ejelijeis sta eqnika mas qemata. H Kybernhsh den exei arnhqei, isa - isa, me poly oysiastiko qa elega tropo, anabaqmise tis sxeseis twn kommatwn se sygkrish me to parelqon. O Ellhnas Prwqypoyrgos exei syzhthsei me toys alloys politikoys hgetes qemata eqnika, qemata ejwterikhs politikhs. O monos o opoios den exei epidiwjei mia tetoia synanthsh - kai otan eixe thn eykairia thn apempolise - einai o k. Ebert. H Ellhnikh Kybernhsh qelei na yparjei synennohsh kai sygklish. Alla, bebaiws, h diadikasia poy qa akoloyqhqei gia na ftasoyme s' ayto to stoxo prokeimenoy na petyxoyme mia eniaia kai makroproqesmoy xarakthra ejwterikh politikh, einai enas stoxos, o opoios pisteyoyme oti yphreteitai me thn politikh ths Kybernhshs, se xamhloys tonoys sto eswteriko ths xwras, xwris patridokaphlies, xwris atekmhriwtes kathgories "peri eqnikhs prodosias" h "peri politikhs eqnikwn tapeinwsewn". H Kybernhsh systhmatika enhmerwnei tis hgesies twn allwn kommatwn. Enhmerwnei ton ellhniko lao, opws enhmerwnei kai th dieqnh koinh gnwmh. Kai prospaqei na dhmioyrghsei ena eqniko metwpo sthn bash mias politikhs gia ta eqnika mas qemata.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Ara;

REPPAS: Ara, den apokleioyme tipota. Alla ayto poy prepei na kanoyme, einai na ergasqoyme bhma me bhma, wste ayto to eqniko metwpogia thn ejwterikh politikh mas, enw prospaqoyme na to dhmioyrghsoyme, - na to afhsoyme ejw apo to pedio twn kommatikwn antidikiwn kai antiparaqesewn, pragma poy syxna epixeirei o k. Ebert, thn wra poy shmera kanei mia tetoia protash.

MIXAHL: Prokeitai na synanthqei o Prwqypoyrgos me ton Proedro ths Dhmokratias tis epomenes hmeres;

REPPAS: Kyrie Mixahl, yparxei epikoinwnia twn dyo Proedrwn, synexhs, taktikotath, sas exw pei. H synanthsh ayth den einai programmatismenh, alla den apokleietai na ginei. Allwste, th Deytera dexomaste thn episkech toy Proedroy ths Armenias. O Proedros ths Armenias, sto plaisio twn synanthsewn poy qa exei, qa dei bebaiws kai ton Proedro ths Dhmokratias. Qa yparjoyn kapoies ekdhlwseis. Einai kai ek ths symptwsews ayths eykolo na synanthqoyn kai na antallajoyn apoceis oi dyo andres. Mhn qewreite oti prepei na anakoinwqei kapoia synanthsh, prokeimenoy na antallajoyn apoceis oi dyo andres.

MIXAHL: Sas rwtw k. Ypoyrge, gia ton ejhs poly aplo logo: O Proedros ths Dhmokratias epestrece apo dyo tajidia, poly shmantika, opws katagrafhke apo th megalyterh merida toy Typoy kai opws ektimhqhke apo para polloys koinotikoys paragontes toso stis HPA, oso kai sth Germania. O k. Shmiths apo thn pleyra toy exei kanei kapoies energeies gia thn enhmerwsh poy mas lete. Den einai logiko, loipon, na rwthsei kapoios, an prokeitai oi dyo andres na synanthqoyn kai na kanoyn mia synolikoterh ektimhsh ths ejwterikhs politikhs;

REPPAS: Oti qa synanthqoyn, qa synanthqoyn. Einai bebaio, k. Mixahl. Rwthsate "pote qa synanthqoyn". Sas lew den exei anakoinwqei. H epikoinwnia yparxei. Kai asfalws qa yparjei kai synanthsh. Me rwtate ean qa yparjei synanthsh toy Proedroy ths Dhmokratias me ton Proedro ths Kybernhshs; Asfalws qa yparjei synanthsh.

MIXAHL: Ayto rwthsa.

REPPAS: Sas parakalw para poly. Perimenate na sas apanthsw oti den qa yparjei synanthsh, dhladh; Yphrxe piqanothta, se mia tetoia erwthsh, na apanthsw oti: "oxi" den qa yparjei synanthsh toy Proedroy ths Dhmokratias me ton Proedro ths Kybernhshs;

MIXAHL: Exw to dikaiwma na exw amfibolies, k. Ypoyrge, gia ena monadiko logo:...

REPPAS: Den exete kanena dikaiwma. Giati, isa - isa blepete - kai to epishmanate - oti o Proedros ths Dhmokratias ws Eqnikos Presbeyths exei apotelesmatikh paroysia sto dieqnh xwro.

MIXAHL: Egw, otan blepw gia dyo mhnes na mhn pragmatopoieitai synanthsh twn dyo andrwn kai exoyn mesolabhsei dyo megala tajidia sto ejwteriko toy Proedroy ths Dhmokratias, qewrw oti qa htan logiko, na paei o Proedros ths Kybernhshs kai na pei: "Elate k. Proedre na ta koybentiasoyme"...

REPPAS: Loipon, eipate oti exoyn perasei dyo mhnes kai den exoyn synanthqei. Ayto eipate;

MIXAHL: Nai.

REPPAS: Exoyn synanthqei.

MIXAHL: Pote;

REPPAS: Qelete na sas dwsw hmeromhnies;

MIXAHL: Prin apo thn Amerikh, pantws.

REPPAS: Oxi, k. Mixahl. Exoyn synanthqei, mhn epimenete. Sas parakalw, kaqe fora poy qa qetete erwthma an qa synanthqei o Proedros ths Dhmokratias me ton Prwqypoyrgo, h apanthsh qa einai oti qa synanthqoyn. Kaqe fora poy qa tiqetai ayth h erwthsh, h apanthsh qa einai h idia: Qa synanthqoyn.

KARASABBA: Ellhnika Mesa Enhmerwshs anaferoyn oti yparxoyn toyrkikes diekdikhseis se nees braxonhsides.

REPPAS: Exoyme ypoch mas ta dhmosieymata toyrkikwn efhmeridwn. Exoyme ypoch mas tis plhrofories oi opoies diarreoyn. Den yparxei epishmws diatypoymenh kapoia qesh apo thn allh pleyra. Ayto poy mporw na pw, ayth thn wra - kai prepei na einai safes - einai oti: H Ellada den qa epitrecei to Aigaio mas na ginei aperanto "orfanotrofeio". Ayto prepei na einai kaqaro.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Aperanto...

REPPAS: As to antimetwpisw etsi ayth thn wra.

KIAOS: Ligotero apo to "aperanto" yparxei;

REPPAS: Epeidh einai tosa polla ta ellhnika nhsia sto Aigaio Arxipelagos, gi' ayto milhsa gia to "aperanto". Logw toy polyariqmoy twn ellhnikwn nhsiwn.

PARIS: Meros toy albanikoy Typoy shmera dhmosieyei oti h Ellada (toylaxiston to megalytero meros toy PASOK kai ths ND) exei dexqei to aithma ths albanikhs antipoliteyshs na epanalhfqoyn oi ekloges. Yparxei kati tetoio;

REPPAS: Kyrie Paris, dexqhka kai egw xqes politikoys hgetes twn kommatwn ths Albanias. Syzhthsa mazi toys. Ejeqesan tis apoceis toys gia thn katastash poy exei dhmioyrghqei sthn Albania, meta tis ekloges ths 26hs Maioy. H qesh ths Ellhnikhs Kybernhshs brisketai se armonia me tis qeseis twn allwn kybernhsewn ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs, poy exoyn ekfrasqei me anakoinwsh ths Italikhs Proedrias. Kai sta plaisia ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs, opoies syzhthseis ginoyn, qa qesei ekei h Ellada tis apoceis ths. Giati pisteyoyme oti pragmatika exoyn symbei sth geitonikh xwra gegonota ta opoia amayrwnoyn to hqos to opoio prepei na exoyn otan leitoyrgoyn acoga oi koinoboyleytikoi qesmoi.

GARGALAKOS: Yparxei mia plhroforia, oti o Prwqypoyrgos blepei qetika thn protash poy diatypwsan oi kyrioi Laliwths, Papaiwannoy kai alloi...

REPPAS: Poioi "alloi";

GARGALAKOS: Kai eseis, ws "loxagoi".

REPPAS: Den eimaste "alloi". To "allos" to lete giati to "allos" panta pairnei ychla pososta; Otan stis dhmoskophseis mpainei to "allos" pairnei ychla pososta.

GARGALAKOS: Loipon, .... na mhn eklegei Antiproedros. Epibebaiwnete ayth thn plhroforia;

REPPAS: O k. Shmiths - exw pei kat' epanalhch - otan qewrhsei oti exei kati na pei poy ton afora, qa to pei o idios. Thn wra poy o idios qa epilejei na to pei. Krinontas me bash ta symferonta ths paratajhs kai kyriws ta symferonta ths ellhnikhs koinwnias. Giati, den prepei na mas diafeygei, o k. Shmiths einai Prwqypoyrgos. Kai einai Prwqypoyrgos ths Ellados. Den einai Prwqypoyrgos toy PASOK.
Sas eyxaristw poly.

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