BRIEFING 13-06-96

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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY KAI MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS 13/6/96

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY KAI MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO k. DHMHTRH REPPA

PARIS: Pws sxoliazei h Kybernhsh tis dhlwseis toy k. Klinton sxetika me tis ellhno-toyrkikes diafores;

REPPAS: O k. Klinton eipe kati poy einai aytonohto: oti efoson lyqoyn ta problhmata metajy Ellados kai Toyrkias, to mellon ths perioxhs einai eyoiwno. An den lyqoyn ta problhmata, to mellon einai skoteino. Ayto einai mia taytologia h mia parataytologia, qa moy epitrecete na pw. To qema einai oti to mellon gia na einai eyoiwno prepei na einai symfyto me orismenes arxes, me th staqerothta, me thn asfaleia, me th filia, me th synergasia, me to sebasmo se dieqneis Kanones kai Synqhkes. Ayto bebaiws einai kati gia to opoio ergazetai h Ellada. Kai omws, h Toyrkia ergazetai se teleiws antiqeth kateyqynsh. O k. Klinton kai h Kybernhsh twn Hnwmenwn Politeiwn, qewrw pws prepei epi ths oysias pleon na syndramoyn tis dynameis ekeines oi opoies ergazontai pros thn kateyqynsh to mellon sthn perioxh na einai ena mellon eyoiwno. Kai na antistaqoyn se oles ekeines tis dynameis oi opoies me th symperifora toys, me thn politikh toys dynamitizoyn kaqe prospaqeia poy kataballetai gia na yparjei ayto to eyoiwno mellon.

MOYRTZHS: O qerapwn iatros toy Proedroy toy PASOK, o k. Kremastinos, dhlwse xqes me nohma oti o Andreas Papandreoy einai Prwqypoyrgos ths laikhs entolhs se antidiastolh me ton Kwsta Shmith poy einai Prwqypoyrgos eklegmenos apo thn Koinoboyleytikh Omada. Ena sxolio parakalw.

REPPAS: O Andreas Papandreoy einai, ston kyklo ths metapoliteyshs, o monos politikos o opoios exei katorqwsei na kerdisei treis eklogikes anametrhseis. Pantote, o logos o dikos mas gia ton Andrea Papandreoy qa einai logos timhs, agaphs kai sebasmoy. O Kwstas Shmiths einai o Prwqypoyrgos poy kata to Syntagma kai ta osa ayto problepei, exei eklegei. Exei tis armodiothtes, ta dikaiwmata kai thn isxy poy toy apodidoyn oi Syntagmatikoi Kanones kai nomizw oti apo kanenan den yparxei amfisbhthsh oti o k. Shmiths einai o Prwqypoyrgos ths xwras. Kai opws to Kinhma mas exei pei, qa dwsei me ayton epikefalhs th maxh en ocei twn eklogwn toy 1997 kai meta tis ekloges qa synexisei na einai kai pali Prwqypoyrgos.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Ayth h "peribohth" synanthsh, qa ginei, metajy toy Prwqypoyrgoy kai toy Arxhgoy toy PASOK;

REPPAS: Oydemia synanthsh einai "peribohth" k. Stamatopoyle, sto xwro ths politikhs. Oydemia synanthsh einai peribohth. Isws synanthsh toy k. Ebert me ton k. Mhtsotakh an ginotan "tet a tet", qa moy epitrecete na pw, qa mporoyse na xarakthristei "peribohth".

STAMATOPOYLOS: Mhpws ekproswpw ton k. Ebert;

REPPAS: Oxi, k. Stamatopoyle. Den eipa ayto to pragma.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Egw allo sas rwtaw kai eseis moy apantate ti leei o Ebert.

REPPAS: Lete, oti milw enantion toy k. Ebert, otan anaferomai se esas. Prospaqw, isws, yposyneidhtws kinoymenos, na brw koina shmeia metajy mas!

STAMATOPOYLOS: Den me endiaferei an milate enantion toy k. Ebert. Alla, otan sas rwtaw egw, moy apantate ti leei o Ebert.

REPPAS: Oxi, k. Stamatopoyle. Apanthsa, sxoliazontas to xarakthrismo sas peri "peribohths" synanthshs. Sas eipa: sto xwro ths politikhs otan ginontai synanthseis metajy twn politikwn, den prepei na xarakthrizontai etsi. Edw den yparxoyn synanthseis opoy ginontai symfwnies me megala "kase" les kai milame gia to xwro toy aqlhtismoy h to xwro twn kallitexnwn opoy oi synanthseis aytes paragoyn ena qeama kai dhmioyrgoyn mia entypwsh. H opoia synanthsh me ton Proedro toy PASOK einai mia synanthsh h opoia exei ena xarakthra kanonikothtas, qa moy epitrecete na pw. Me ayth thn ennoia den mporei na einai "peribohth".

STAMATOPOYLOS: H synanthsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy me ton Proedro toy PASOK den einai sobarh;

REPPAS: Sobarh einai. Peribohth den einai. Asfalws kai einai sobarh. Sobarotath qa elega. Sas exw pei oti yparxei epikoinwnia. O Andreas Papandreoy, gnwrizete, oti brisketai sto stadio ths anarrwshs. Beltiwnetai synexws h ygeia toy. To programma toy kaqorizetai katw kai apo toys periorismoys poy epiballei akribws to stadio sto opoio brisketai shmera.

MAYROS: Ti epikoinwnia yparxei metajy toy Prwqypoyrgoy kai toy Proedroy toy PASOK;

REPPAS: Yparxei kai thlefwnikh epikoinwnia. Eipa, oti h texnologia prosferei dynatothtes k. Mayro, kai alles peran twn synanthsewn kai ths fysikhs paroysias.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Me eikonothlefwno milane;

REPPAS: Kyrie Stamatopoyle, epikoinwnoyn me diaforoys tropoys thlepikoinwniakoys. Kai me eikonothlefwno. Alla h epikoinwnia toys einai pragmatikh, oysiastikh kai filikh kai den einai eikonikh, opws symbainei alloy.

MAYROS: Loipon, pote qa ginei ayth h synanthsh;

REPPAS: Kyrie Mayro, den exei kaqorisqei sygkekrimenh hmeromhnia.

MOYRTZHS: Protiqetai h Kybernhsh na diaqesei ston k. Laliwth swmatofylakes, otan anebainei sto Ektelestiko Grafeio; Giati dhlwse xqes oti "tromokrateitai apo melh toy Ektelestikoy Grafeioy".

REPPAS: O k. Laliwths den dhlwse oti "tromokrateitai apo melh toy Ektelestikoy Grafeioy". Eipe oti kaqenas prepei na leei eleyqera tis apoceis toy kai den prepei na einai stoxos "tromokrathshs" - as to poyme etsi - h stoxos epiqesewn otan diatypwnei kapoies apoceis, apo kapoioys stoys opoioys den einai arestes aytes oi apoceis. Alla, antilambanesqe poly kala oti sta plaisia toy PASOK anaptyssetai o dialogos kai ta stelexh toy PASOK, metajy twn opoiwn kai o k. Laliwths, lene tis apoceis toys. O k. Laliwths einai ena apo ta agaphta kai dhmofilh stelexh toy PASOK kai den kindyneyei apo kanenan.

MOYRTZHS: Fobatai omws.

REPPAS: Den exei na fobhqei tipota o k. Laliwths kai exei apodeijei oti den fobatai se kairoys poy htan poly pio dyskolh h ekfrash twn apocewn. Poso mallon shmera poy h ekfrash twn apocewn einai apolytws eleyqerh.

KONTOPOYLOS: Pws sxoliazei h Kybernhsh to gegonos oti symfwna me thn teleytaia dhmoskophsh ths MRB h Nea Dhmokratia prohgeitai kata 2,5 monades ths Kybernhshs toy PASOK;

REPPAS: H Kybernhsh - kai alles fores exw pei - den sxoliazei dhmoskophseis oi opoies apotypwnoyn thn epiqymia enos sygkekrimenoy swmatos - periorismenoy pantws - mias orismenhs, sygkekrimenhs perioxhs, gia mia orismenh stigmh, apenanti se ena sygkekrimeno erwthma. Dhmoskophseis exoyn ginei sto parelqon, ginontai twra, qa ginoyn kai sto mellon. Ayto to opoio emas mas endiaferei kai gi' ayto ergazomaste k. Kontopoyle einai, o ellhnikos laos, sthn kalph, otan erqei h wra to 1997, na chfisei to Kinhma mas wste na anadeixqei ek neoy Kybernhsh ston topo. Aythn thn eklogh, h opoia einai kati poly perissotero kai egkyrotero apo th dhmoskophsh, emeis pisteyoyme oti qa petyxoyme na thn kanoyme na einai qetikh gia mas. Kai ayto einai poy exei telika shmasia. Den epidiwkoyme na exoyme kales dhmoskophseis. Epidiwkoyme na exoyme kales epidoseis wste na kerdisoyme tis ekloges.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Epeidh milate gia epidoseis: Ejw, shmera, oi syntajioyxoi exoyn kleisei to Syntagma. Ligo pio katw, sthn Axarnwn, oi ypallhloi toy Ypoyrgeioy Gewrgias exoyn kleisei thn perioxh kai sto Ypoyrgeio Paideias, pali to idio kai exoyme twra genikes ejetaseis.

REPPAS: H Kybernhsh ekane o,ti to kalytero mporoyse na kanei prokeimenoy na enisxysei, dia toy "bohqhmatos koinwnikhs allhleggyhs", opws to onomase, toys exontes xamhlo eisodhma syntajioyxoys. Htan ena metro eyergetiko - qa elega - throymenwn twn oikonomikwn analogiwn. H Kybernhsh kanei ta panta, wste oi ejetaseis na ginoyn kanonikotata xwris na yparxei to paramikro problhma. H Kybernhsh, sto xwro toy Ypoyrgeioy Gewrgias, exei ejaggeilei mia politikh prokeimenoy na ikanopoihqoyn aithmata gia ta opoia exei symfwnhsei me toys ergazomenoys h Kybernhsh. H Kybernhsh antimetwpizei ola ta problhmata me gnwmona to symferon twn koinwnikwn omadwn poy exoyn ayta ta problhmata, katw apo to prisma bebaia twn periorismwn poy epiballoyn oi oikonomikes dynatothtes ths xwras.

STAMATOPOYLOS: To symferon twn koinwnikwn omadwn;

REPPAS: Katw apo toys periorismoys poy epiballei h oikonomikh dynatothta thn opoia exei h xwra. Kai ayth einai poly sygkekrimenh.

STAMATOPOYLOS: To symferon ths Kybernhshs...

REPPAS: Ma, to symferon ths Kybernhshs einai na exei filikes sxeseis me tis koinwnikes omades wste afoy exei lysei ta problhmata toys na chfisqei apo oles tis koinwnikes omads kai na einai pali Kybernhsh. Kai ayto qa to petyxei.

MAYROS: O k. Arsenhs shmera to prwi...

REPPAS: O k. Arsenhs symmetexei sth Synodo toy NATO. Ejefrase tis apoceis ths Ellhnikhs Kybernhshs gia ta qemata toy NATO ws armodios Ypoyrgos. Alla o k. Arsenhs, pera apo th symmetoxh toy sthn epishmh ayth diadikasia, exei analabei mia prospaqeia na enhmerwsei kat' idian, se dimereis synanthseis, toys Ypoyrgoys twn allwn Kybernhsewn poy symmetexoyn se ayth th Synodo. Pisteyoyme oti h prospaqeia ayth qa apodwsei karpoys. Dioti ta prwta mhnymata poy exoyme einai oti yparxei mia katanohsh gia tis ellhnikes qeseis, idiaiterws meta tis "prwtoboylies" gia to qema ths Gaydoy, poy anelabe teleytaiws h Toyrkia. Qema, to opoio ejeplhje toys pantes, gia ton tropo me ton opoio eteqh, alla kai gia thn oysia toy qematos aytoy kaq' eaytoy.

PARIS: Me poio tropo ypodaylizei to NATO h Toyrkia, k. Ypoyrge; Giati etsi eipe o k. Arsenhs xqes.

REPPAS: To NATO einai enas Organismos. Yparxoyn problhmata metajy twn melwn toy NATO. O Organismos aytos, epeidh diepetai h leitoyrgia toy apo orismenoys kanones, qa prepei na epideijei endiaferon kai eyaisqhsia - qa elega - stis perioxes ekeines, opoy anaptyssontai entaseis kai tribes metajy twn melwn toy. Kai mia tetoia perioxh einai h perioxh toy Aigaioy. To NATO den mporei na menei adiaforo. Den mporei na menei parathrhths gia ena qema, to opoio yparxei mesa stoys kolpoys toy. Kai h proseggish gia th lysh aytoy toy problhmatos, den mporei na einai allh proseggish, apo ayth h opoia ypagoreyetai apo to Dieqnes Dikaio, gia to opoio, toylaxiston kata tis ekfraseis - kai sthn prajh prepei na to blepoyme - leei to NATO oti agwnizetai ws Dieqnhs Organismos.
Sas eyxaristw poly.

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