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YPOYRGEIO TYPOY KAI MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS 14/5/96

H ENHMERWSH TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY APO TON YPOYRGO TYPOY KAI MESWN MAZIKHS ENHMERWSHS KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO k. DHMHTRH REPPA META TH SYNEDRIASH THS KYBERNHTIKHS EPITROPHS (WRA:16.15)

* Epishs, egine enhmerwtikh syzhthsh gia to nomosxedio peri ths poinikhs eyqynhs twn Ypoyrgwn, meta to dhmosio dialogo poy exei anaptyxqei, ta sxolia poy exoyn ginei kai tis apoceis poy exoyn ekfrasqei. H Kybernhsh deixnontas eyaisqhsia qewrhse pws eprepe na yparjei mia syzhthsh gia to sygkekrimeno qema.
-Apofasisqhke na epidiwxqei h megisth dynath symptwsh twn apocewn kai twn boyleytwn toy PASOK oi opoioi exoyn ekfrasei diaforetikes antilhceis, wste na katastei safes pws o kyoforoymenos nomos oxi mono den qespizei ena eidiko kaqestws gia toys Ypoyrgoys, alla apotelei ena isxyro qesmiko plaisio sygxrono kai apotelesmatiko, prokeimenoy na antimetwpizontai me ton kalytero dynato tropo ta opoia problhmata prokyptoyn apo eyqynes poy piqanws exoyn Ypoyrgoi kai prepei na toys apodidontai.

* H syzhthsh htan ektetamenh oson afora thn proodo twn ergwn stis 13 Perifereies.
* Htan enhmerwtikh oson afora to nomo gia thn poinikh eyqynh twn Ypoyrgwn. Kai epeidh einai perasmenh kai h wra, epifylassomai na dwsw apanthseis sta erwthmata poy qa qesete, gia na mhn sas koyrazw qetontas eisagwgikws egw kai alla qemata.

KOGIANNHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, exw na ypobalw dyo erwthmata: a) O nomos peri eyqynhs Ypoyrgwn qa erqei ek neoy sto Ypoyrgiko Symboylio, prin katateqei sth Boylh; b) Sth shmerinh synedriash ths Kybernhtikhs Epitrophs egine syzhthsh gia to qema ths ejaireshs kapoiwn kataskeyastikwn etairiwn apo thn onomastikopoihsh twn metoxwn;

REPPAS: Ws pros thn prwth erwthsh sas: Gia to nomo peri ths poinikhs eyqynhs twn Ypoyrgwn, qa yparjei dialogos, qa yparjei syzhthsh, prokeimenoy - epanalambanw kai pali - na epidiwxqei h symfwnia olwn peri ths ajias twn ryqmisewn aytoy toy nomosxedioy, wste na mhn yparjei kai na apokroysqei en th genesei ths opoiadhpote yponoia gia ryqmiseis oi opoies ginontai me bash skopimothtes. Na fanei oti den yparxei allos stoxos otan katartizetai enas tetoios nomos kai katatiqetai pros syzhthsh, para monon to apotelesma poy oloi qeloyme na yparxei: Diafaneia. Mia isxyrh - qa elega - dikonomikh "faretra", wste me kaqe tropo kai se kaqe kairo na apodidontai eyqynes, ef'oson yparxoyn, s'aytoys poy exoyn eyqynes.

Ws pros th deyterh erwthsh sas...

STAMATOPOYLOS: Syggnwmh, mhn proxwrhsoyme sth deyterh erwthsh sas pros to paron. Na meinoyme gia ligo sto prwto.

REPPAS: Tote krateitai h deyterh erwthsh toy k. Kogiannh, sthn opoia kai qa epanelqoyme.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Otan lete "symfwnia me alloys xwroys", ti ennoeite;

REPPAS: Eipa: H megisth dynath symptwsh.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Me poioys; Me toys boyleytes toy PASOK;

REPPAS: Kai me toys boyleytes twn allwn kommatwn. Giati oxi;

STAMATOPOYLOS: Dhladh, qa arxisei dialogos kai me ta alla kommata;

REPPAS: Oxi, den qa arxisei neos kyklos dialogoy. H Kybernhsh exei -opws poly kala gnwrizete - asxolhqei me to qema kai exei orisei ena plaisio gia th ryqmish aytoy toy qematos.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Pws qa ginei;

REPPAS: Qa ginei kai pali syzhthsh me toys boyleytes toy Kinhmatos poy exoyn ekfrasei apoceis gia to sygkekrimeno qema. Kai h Kybernhsh einai diateqeimenh na proxwrhsei sthn kataqesh enos nomoy, poy qa afora thn poinikh eyqynh twn Ypoyrgwn.

MAYROS: Pote qa ginei ayto;

REPPAS: To syntomotero dynaton. Ef'oson oloklhrwqei aytos o kyklos, wste na yparjei - epanalambanw kai pali - mia omofwnh qesh olwn sthn anagkh kai thn ajia enos tetoioy nomoqethmatos.

KIAOS: Omofwnh;

REPPAS: Giati oxi; Qa to epidiwjoyme.

KIAOS: Syggnwmh poy epimenw: Eipate prohgoymenws "na yparjei omofwnh qesh".

REPPAS: Kyrie Kiao, to na epidiwketai h omofwnia einai kaqhkon kaqe fora kai gia kaqe qema. Asfalws, omws, to oti den yparxei panta omofwnia, den shmainei aytomatws oti prepei na anatrepetai h na empodizetai h prospaqeia ths Kybernhshs na eisagei pros chfish ena nomosxedio poy ryqmizei kapoia qemata.

PAPAKWNSTANTINOY: Yphrje ektimhsh sthn Kybernhtikh Epitroph oti den prolabainei h Kybernhsh na kataqesei to nomosxedio ayto, prin apo tis qerines diakopes;

REPPAS: H Kybernhsh me entatiko tropo qa ergasqei, wste to syntomotero dynaton na katateqei to nomosxedio sth Boylh poy afora to sygkekrimeno qema kai na katastei nomos toy Kratoys.

KIAOS: Sthn omofwnia poy einai epidiwjh ths Kybernhshs (opws mas eipate) anaferesqe se omofwnia apo ola ta kommata;

REPPAS: H omofwnia olwn twn kommatwn einai kati poy prepei na epidiwkei kaqe Kybernhsh kai to kaqe komma, oson afora sta alla kommata. Alla, bebaiws, milame gia thn omofwnia h th megisth symptwsh apocewn (gia thn opoia milhsa sthn arxh), sta plaisia toy Kinhmatos mas. Deijame mia eyaisqhsia, epeidh akribws exoyn ekfrasqei diafores apoceis. To gnwrizete, allwste.

KIAOS: Kai mia deyterh erwthsh: Giati den htan sth syzhthsh parwn o armodios Ypoyrgos;

REPPAS: O k. Benizelos den symmetexei sthn Kybernhtikh Epitroph. O k. Prwqypoyrgos eixe xqes leptomerestath enhmerwsh apo ton k. Benizelo. Kai o k. Prwqypoyrgos htan aytos o opoios eqese to qema. Allwste, h syzhthsh htan enhmerwtikoy xarakthra. Yphrjan oi apoceis twn melwn ths Kybernhtikhs Epitrophs kai syntomws to qema ayto qa antimetwpisqei telesidikws.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Eiqistai na paristatai omws, kyrie Ypoyrge, o kaq'ylhn armodios Ypoyrgos.

REPPAS: Bebaiws, eiqistai.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Prwth fora ginetai ayto, pantws. Na syzhteitai qema sthn Kybernhtikh Epitroph en apoysia toy armodioy kaq'ylhn Ypoyrgoy.

REPPAS: Exei syzhthqei to qema ayto, kyrie Stamatopoyle. Oi apoceis einai katastalagmenes. Exei kanei tis eishghseis toy o k. Ypoyrgos kai h syzhthsh aforoyse ta melh ths Kybernhti- khs Epitrophs kai eixe enhmerwtiko xarakthra, epanalambanw kai pali.

KACAMPELHS: Dieykrinistika, kat'arxhn, kyrie Ypoyrge, milame panta gia to nomosxedio poy jeroyme, gia to sxedio poy jeroyme.

REPPAS: Ayth einai h bash ths olhs ryqmishs thn opoia epidiwkoyme na kanoyme.

KACAMPELHS: Poy shmainei oti mporei kai na exoyme metaboles;

REPPAS: Den apokleietai na yparxoyn kai kapoies metaboles, prokeimenoy - epanalambanw kai pali - na ejasfalisoyme ayth th symptwsh apocewn gia thn opoia hdh sas milhsa. Ma, an, kyrie Kacampelh, me bash mia sygkekrimenh protash, yparxoyn (einai gnwsto ayto) diaforetikes apoceis, logiko einai na epidiwkeis enan dialogo, wste na yparjei mia synqesh twn apocewn aytwn kai na katalhjoyme se mia koinh qesh.

KACAMPELHS: Mporeite na mas peite an o kaq' ylhn armodios Ypoyrgos eishghqhke kapoies tetoies metaboles;

REPPAS: Egine xqes - epanalambanw kai pali - mia ektetamenh syzhthsh me ton Prwqypoyrgo, ton opoion episkefqhke o armodios Ypoyrgos. O k. Prwqypoyrgos ekane mia enhmerwsh shmera eishgoymenos to qema kai anaferqhke se diafores ryqmiseis oi opoies mporei kai prepei na lhfqoyn ypoch apo ta melh ths Kybernhtikhs Epitrophs, alla kai qa lhfqoyn ypoch oi qeseis twn boyleytwn poy exoyn diaforetikh gnwmh gia to sygkekrimeno qema, wste - epanalambanw kai pali - na yparjei telikh diatypwsh toy nomosxedioy.

KACAMPELHS: Gia na mhn epanelqw, na rwthsw to teleytaio: Anamesa s'aytes einai kai ekeinh poy afora thn pleiochfia me thn opoia qa ginetai h parapomph;

REPPAS: Einai mia seira qematwn poy aforoyn to sygkekrimeno nomosxedio, ta opoia eqighsan, kyrie Kacampelh. Asfalws einai kai ayto. Den xreiazetai na to rwthsete. Ayto mporeite na to gracete, giati einai aytonohto. Gnwrizete poly kala oti boyleytes oi opoioi ejefrasan apoceis, ejefrasan apoceis kai gi'ayto to qema. Otan, loipon, eipa oti qa epidiwxqei na yparjei synennohsh kai symptwsh apocewn, logiko einai h epidiwjh ayth na afora kai to sygkekrimeno qema. Den nomizw oti xreiazetai na katasteite "lagwnika" gia na bgalete tetoioy eidoys apanthseis. Ayto einai aytonohto. Einai tria - tessera qemata ta opoia exoyn katastei antikeimeno dhmosioy dialogoy kai ep'aytwn twn qematwn yphrje enhmerwtikh syzhthsh shmera.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Poia einai ayta ta tria qemata, kyrie Ypoyrge;

REPPAS: Apanthsa. Kyrie Stamatopoyle, exw apanthsei gia to sygkekrimeno qema.

MAYROS: Sygkekrimena, kyrie Ypoyrge.

REPPAS: Ma, exw apanthsei, kyrie Mayro.

STAMATOPOYLOS: H apoch toy Prwqypoyrgoy poia einai;

REPPAS: Epanalambanw: H syzhthsh htan enhmerwtikh. Qa yparjei telikh diatypwsh toy nomosxedioy kai otan pragmatika labei th telikh toy morfh, qa gnwstopoihqei.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Den mporoyme na jeroyme poy yparxoyn...

REPPAS: Ti na gnwrizete, kyrie Stamatopoyle; Egine mia enhmerwtikh syzhthsh. Ekfrasqhkan oles oi apoceis. To oti ekfrazontai kapoies apoceis, den shmainei oti oi apoceis oi opoies einai diaforetikes einai apoceis oi opoies ypodhlwnoyn sygkroysh.

MAYROS: An ayto syndyasqei me thn apoysia toy Ypoyrgoy Dikaiosynhs, tote yparxei qema.

REPPAS: Tote kai eseis ginesqe "lagwnika", opws eipa kai prin. Epanalambanw kai pali: H syzhthsh htan enhmerwtikh. Den yparxei tetoio qema. An qelete na syzhthsoyme s'ayth th bash, nomizw oti einai axaro kai den einai kai paragwgiko. As mhn to kanoyme loipon.

ELENOPOYLOS: Otan yparjei, qa mas to peite, kyrie Ypoyrge;

REPPAS; Ma, otan diatypwqei h telikh protash, asfalws kai qa sas gnwstopoihqei. Lete na thn diatypwsoyme gia ton eayto mas kai na thn krathsoyme sta kommatika ermaria; To nomosxedio qa katateqei sth Boylh.

ELENOPOYLOS: Syggnwmh, den egina antilhptos. Den ennooysa ayto. Ennooysa: An yparjei qema me ton Ypoyrgo Dikaiosynhs, qa mas to peite;

REPPAS: Den yparxei kanena qema. Alla, jerete, oti oso perissotero syzhtoyme gia to an yparxei qema, dhmioyrgoyme hdh qema. Kai nomizw oti ayto mporei esas na sas ejyphretei, alla epeidh akribws den ejyphretei thn alhqeia, kalo einai na to apofygoyme.

MOYRTZHS: Thn telikh diatypwsh toy nomosxedioy, poios qa thn kanei; Poios exei thn eyqynh; O Prwqypoyrgos h o armodios kaq'ylhn Ypoyrgos;

REPPAS: O armodios kaq'ylhn Ypoyrgos, asfalws.

KARAMPASHS: Qa hqela th qesh ths Kybernhshs gia mia shmerinh dhlwsh toy k. Kokkalh: Sth dhlwsh toy o k. Kokkalhs anaferei oti exoyn dhmioyrghqei entexnws dikastikes diwjeis. Symmerizetai ayth thn apoch h Kybernhsh; To deytero stoixeio poy anaferetai sth dhlwsh toy: O OTE adranhse plhrws kai h adraneia ayth safws ejyphretei ta jena symferonta. Ti leei kai gi'ayto h Kybernhsh; Kai to trito stoixeio: Ta teleytaia dyo xronia o OTE pragmato- poihse molis to 30% twn programmatismenwn ependysewn toy. Alhqeyei ayto;

REPPAS: O k. Kokkalhs einai Ellhnas poliths. Exei to dikaiwma na ekfrazei tis apoceis toy eleyqera. H Kybernhsh asfalws - to katanoeite, fantazomai - den einai dynaton na sxoliazei tis apoceis tis opoies ekfrazoyn oi Ellhnes polites, genikws kai aoristws.

KOGIANNHS: Gia to qema ths onomastikopoihshs twn metoxwn kai osa legontai gia piqanh ejairesh egine kapoia syzhthsh;

REPPAS: Einai ena qema ayto, k. Kogiannh, to opoio qa apasxolhsei kata tis epomenes hmeres thn Kybernhsh, sto plaisio twn kybernhtikwn organwn. Yparxei pragmati dialogos giati apo polles pleyres exei diatypwqei h apoch oti ayto einai ena para poly shmantiko qema kai den prepei h Kybernhsh na meinei adiaforh. H Kybernhsh einai eyaisqhth se tetoia qemata kai asfalws qa asxolhqei. Me thn eykairia ayth omws prepei na pw oti yparxei aneilikrineia kai ypokrisia sthn politikh zwh. Kai to stoixeioqetw ayto - me thn eykairia poy moy dinei h erwthsh toy k. Kogiannh - anaferontas oti h Nea Dhmokratia, liges hmeres prin (proxqes Kyriakh, 12 Maioy), gia to sygkekrimeno qema ths onomastikopoihshs ejedwse anakoinwsh epitiqemenh sthn Kybernhsh, oyte ligo oyte poly. Kathgorei h Nea Dhmokratia thn Kybernhsh oti protiqetai na probei se allages h metaboles toy kaqestwtos, yponowntas etsi oti qelei na ejyphrethsei symferonta. Kai einai ypokritiko ayto kai aneilikrines giati h Nea Dhmokratia, apo tis 25 Aprilioy, ena peripoy mhna prin, exei systhsei epitroph gia th diafaneia. H Nea Dhmokratia htan ayth h opoia, metajy twn allwn exei sygkatalejei s' aythn thn perifhmh epitroph kai ton k. Prokoph Paylopoylo, kaqhghth Panepisthmioy.

MOYRTZHS: Ti yponoeite;

REPPAS: Yponow oti o k. Prokophs Paylopoylos einai o plhrejoysios dikhgoros toy Syndesmoy Texnikwn Etaireiwn. Kai gia logariasmo twn texnikwn aytwn etaireiwn exei kataqesei, stis 24 Aprilioy, sto tmhma anastolwn toy Symboylioy ths Epikrateias aithsh gia xorhghsh anastolhs efarmoghs toy sxetikoy proedrikoy diatagmatos. Einai dynaton o k. Paylopoylos ws episthmwn, plhrejoysios dikhgoros texnikwn etaireiwn, na prosfeygei sto Anwtato Dikasthrio aitwntas na mhn isxysei to Proedriko Diatagma - as to pw etsi synoptika - thn wra poy einai ekproswpos enos kommatos, ths Neas Dhmokratias, to opoio komma egkalei emas giati kata thn Nea Dhmokratia epidiwkoyme allagh aytoy toy nomikoy kaqestwtos; Edw exoyme ena yphreth dyo afentadwn. Kai bebaiws den einai eykolo - epanalambanw kai pali - se ayto to xwro na kanoyme tetoioy eidoys syzhthseis poy aforoyn proswpa. Emeis se mia tetoia mikropreph politikh den prokeitai na mpoyme. Apo thn allh omws, pws alliws na ejhghsoyme th qesh poy pairnei ws episthmonas poy brisketai se plhrh antikroysh kai abyssalea sygkroysh me th qesh poy pairnei to idio fysiko proswpo ws kommatiko stelexos; Kai den einai h prwth fora poy symbainei ayto. Synebh kai me thn perifhmh gnwmodothsh, poy den htan omadas kaqhghtwn. Yparxei epishs prosfygh gia logariasmo ths "Intrasoft" poy exei kanei o k. Paylopoylos gia to programma TAXIS toy Ypoyrgeioy Oikonomikwn, oktw mhnes prin, ton Ioynio toy '95. Kai shmera paroysiazetai diaprhsios khrykas ths diafaneias kai kathgoros toy PASOK, h Nea Dhmokratia! Thn epaggelmatikh drasthriothta - epanalambanw kai pali - twn politwn, otan einai synnomh oydeis mporei na thn skiasei kai na thn kathgorhsei. Ayto omws to opoio prepei na epishmanoyme einai h ypokrisia kai h aneilikrineia poy yparxei. Kai nomizw oti h dhmosia zwh, h politikh zwh ths xwras, epeidh akribws prepei na leitoyrgei me ygieis ryqmoys, se synqhkes diafaneias, kalo einai na prostateyetai kai apo oloys ekeinoys toys aytoklhtoys oi opoioi en onomati ths diafaneias kai ths ejygianshs toy dhmosioy bioy jexnoyn oti o dhmosios bios exei anagkh apo yphretes oi opoioi einai apokleistika dikoi toy yphretes. Kai bebaiws den kathgorw kanenan. Epanalambanw kai pali oti h synnomh epaggelmatikh drasthriothta den mporei na einai stoxos kai antikeimeno kathgorias. Na mhn yparxei opoiadhpote paranohsh. Alla bebaiws olo ayto ton tragelafo den mporeis na ton ejhghseis alliws para mono me thn hqika amoralistikh h eqnika kai koinwnika epikindynh politikh thn opoia akoloyqei h Nea Dhmokratia, h opoia fainetai oti exei prosxwrhsei sto dogma "gaia pyri mixqhtw". Ena dogma politikhs to opoio armozei s' ena mikro komma, ena komma kataggelias kai oxi mia ypeyqynh paratajh opws qelei na paroysiazetai h Nea Dhmokratia. Ayth thn politikh thn katadikazoyme.

PARIS: Poia einai h dikh sas politikh kai ti qa kanete k. Ypoyrge; Eipate oti qa asxolhqeite kata tis epomenes hmeres. Edw kai mia bdomada den diapragmateyontai aytes oi metoxes.

REPPAS: Kyrie Paris, kanete sxolio, kanete mia anaptyjh skeptikoy. Qesate to erwthma: Ti qa kanei h Kybernhsh. Sas apantw: H Kybernhsh qa asxolhqei tis epomenes hmeres, exei eyaisqhsia, epeidh apo polles pleyres diatypwnontai aithmata peri twn problhmatwn poy exoyn prokycei kai qa kanei to kalytero dynato. Qa labei tis apofaseis to kybernhtiko organo to opoio qa asxolhqei me to qema. Kai den einai nomizw efikto h swsto na anakoinwsw egw shmera apofaseis oi opoies den yparxoyn.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Eipate oti o k. Kokkalhs einai Ellhnas poliths kai ekfrazei tis apoceis toy. Den einai aplos Ellhnas poliths. Einai o epishmos promhqeyths kratikwn organismwn...

REPPAS: Apenanti sto nomo oi polites einai isoi, k. Stamatopoyle.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Nai, alla bgainoyn onomata diafora, akomh kai proswpwn poy briskontai sto periballon toy Prwqypoyrgoy, ta opoia exoyn diatelesei ston OTE kai ginetai oloklhrh fasaria gyrw apo ayto to qema. Kai ekane mia dhlwsh h opoia einai poly sobarh. Den qa th sxoliasete;

REPPAS: Na sxoliasw th dhlwsh toy k. Kokkalh, otan bgainoyn ayta ta qemata kai epilambanontai dikastika organa; Qa bgalw egw apofash gia to an exei dikio o k. Kokkalhs h oxi;

STAMATOPOYLOS: Den sas eipa gia parembash...

REPPAS: Ti eipate; Na sxoliazw tis dhlwseis poy kanei o kaqe Ellhnas poliths; As ajiologhsoyn th dhlwsh oi armodioi oi opoioi epilambanontai twn qematwn sta opoia anaferetai o k. Kokkalhs, me th dhlwsh toy.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kai den einai armodia h Kybernhsh;

REPPAS: H Kybernhsh kathgoreitai gia kati sygkekrimeno apo ton k. Kokkalh wste na apanthsei ston k. Kokkalh me opoio tropo krinei prosforo h Kybernhsh;

STAMATOPOYLOS: O k. Kokkalhs anaferetai sygkekrimena sthn Kybernhsh.

REPPAS: Den sxoliazoyme th dhlwsh toy k. Kokkalh. Den exoyne logo na to kanoyme. Gia ola ayta ta qemata o k. Kokkalhs mporei tis apoceis tis opoies ekfrazei eleyqerws ws Ellhnas poliths na tis kataqesei kai sta dikastika organa, wste na apotelesoyn stoixeio pros ejetash kai oi dhlwseis aytes kai ta stoixeia ta opoia exei ypoch toy h mporei akomh na anaferei.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Kathgorei thn Kybernhsh oti to programma to opoio eprepe na proxwrhsei den exei proxwrhsei para mono kata 30%.

REPPAS: Ayto einai apoch toy k. Kokkalh. To shmantiko jerete poio einai k. Stamatopoyle; Oti meta apo dyo apotyxhmenes apopeires gia thn eisagwgh toy OTE sto xrhmatisthrio me thn merikh metoxopoihsh toy organismoy aytoy petyxame na eisaxqei o OTE sto xrhmatisthrio. Eixame mia epityxhmenh qa elega eisagwgh kai ayto pisteyw einai kati poy epishs prepei na to diafylajoyme. H Dioikhsh toy OTE, epeidh akribws o organismos einai pleon eishgmenos sto xrhmatisthrio kai prepei na prostateysei ta symferonta toy organismoy kai twn metoxwn toy, qa kanei to kalytero dynato. Se ayto eimaste bebaioi.

STAMATOPOYLOS: H eisagwgh htan epityxhs, h synexeia den jerw...

REPPAS: Qa einai to idio epityxhs. Egw jerw.

KWNSTANTHS: H efhmerida ELEYQEROS apokalyptei shmera eggrafo toy koinotikoy epitropoy toy armodioy gia tis thlepikoinwnies, me to opoio epeshmene egkaira sthn Kybernhsh (exei hmeromhnia 20 Aprilioy 1994) oti yparxoyn paranomies kai paratypies stis prosfores twn etaireiwn SIEMENS kai INTRAKOM kai oti h akoloyqoymenh diadikasia qa eblapte sobara to dhmosio symferon. Giati den tis elabe ypoch h Kybernhsh;

REPPAS: H Kybernhsh opoiodhpote stoixeio yparxei poy afora th sygkekrimenh ypoqesh qewrei pws prepei na apotelesei antikeimeno ths dikografias h opoia sygkroteitai kai qa apasxolhsei ta dikastika organa.

KACAMPELHS: Enas boyleyths xqes dietypwse mia synolika barytath kataggelia enantion ths Ypoyrgoy kas B. Papandreoy legontas ligo poly oti einai mplegmenh se polla skandala. Ti leei ap' aytoy h Kybernhsh;

REPPAS: Kyrie Kacampelh, htan barytates oi kathgories, htan kathgories oi opoies apeyqynqhkan apo ton k. Stefanopoylo sthn ka Papandreoy, me tropo aperiskepto, asyneto, qa elega epikindyno gia th dhmosia zwh kai tis leitoyrgies ths politikhs sthn Ellada. H ka Papandreoy exei hqos kai entimothta poy einai se oloys gnwsta. To hqos kai h entimothta ths kas Papandreoy einai isxyrh kai apotelesmatikh aspida gia na antimetwpisei opoiadhpote lasph h kakohqeia h sykofantia poy ektojeyetai se baros ths. O k. Stefanopoylos prepei na parei tis eyqynes toy kai na apologhqei gia ta osa eipe me sygkekrimena stoixeia ta opoia bebaiws den yparxoyn. Gi' ayto, anti na plhjei thn ka Papandreoy, plhttetai o idios. Ayto omws einai to ligotero. To qema einai oti plhttetai kai o dhmosios bios me tetoioy eidoys asynarthtes - qa moy epitrapei na pw - kataggelies.

KIAOS: Epeidh h synedriash ths Kybernhtikhs Epitrophs krathse treis wres...

REPPAS: Htan makra h syzhthsh gia ta PEP. Exoyme dekatreis perifereies. Gia kaqe perifereia egine ektetamenh ereyna gia to pws ta erga proxwroyn.

KIAOS: Den antilegw. Rwtw ean se ayto to diasthma elexqh enhmerwtika estw otidhpote gia to qema twn chfiakwn poy exei jeshkwsei tosh qyella.

REPPAS: Den elexqh apolytws tipota k. Kiao. Den egine to qema ayto antikeimeno syzhthshs.

STAMATOPOYLOS: O k. Pagkalos giati ekane xqes pisw kai parepemce to qema ths xrhmatodothshs ths Toyrkias sto Eyrwkoinoboylio enw mporoyse na to stamathsei sthn epitroph; Alla elege sthn Amerikh alla egina xqes stis Bryjelles.

REPPAS: O k. Pagkalos den "ekane pisw" k. Stamatopoyle. H Ellada einai staqerh stis qeseis ths. Di' aytoy toy tropoy o k. Pagkalos epetyxe na ginei eykrines oti emeis endiaferomeqa gia th mesogeiakh politikh ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs, mesogeiakh politikh thn opoia emeis oi idioi empneysqhkame kai - an qelete - egkainiasame sth Synodo Koryfhs poy egine sthn Kerkyra, otan eixame thn Proedria. Bebaiws h stash ayth ths Ellhnikhs Kybernhshs bohqa na ginei antilhpto oti emeis qeloyme na yparjei proodos stis xrhmatodothseis pros tis alles mesogeiakes xwres, alla exoyme isxyres enstaseis gia th roh twn xrhmatwn pros thn Toyrkia, logo twn problhmatwn poy exoyn prokycei. Ayth h stash egine eykrinhs, egine dekth kai to Eyrwkoinoboylio qa asxolhqei me to qema. Qa yparjei xroniko diasthma to opoio sto metajy qa diarreysei kai tote otan epanelqei to qema, qa deite poia qa einai kai h telikh mas stash. qa einai h pleon symferoysa eqnika.

STAMATOPOYLOS: Dhladh to kanoyme gia na kerdisoyme xrono;

REPPAS: Oxi, to kaname dioti sthn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh, gnwrizete para poly kala metajy twn allwn oti oi diapragmateyseis apoteloyn ena monimo stoixeio ena systatiko stoixeio ths leitoyrgias ths. H Ellhnikh Kybernhsh loipon qewrhse oti yperaspisthke ta megista kai oti di' ayths ths stashs edeije oti exei mia swsth politikh sta plaisia twn sxesewn ths me thn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh.

MAYROS: Apo th syzhthsh gia ta PEP proekyce kati anakoinwsimo gia th Boreia Ellada kai eidikotera gia thn Makedonia;

REPPAS: Qa yparjei sxetikh anakoinwsh h opoia qa anaferetai sto ti syzhthqhke. Den proekyce kati idiaitero. Den milhsame gia ta erga ta opoia einai eqnikoy xarakthra, opws einai ta megala erga.

KOGIANNHS: O k. Laliwths qa kanei thn anakoinwsh;

REPPAS: Ypeyqynos gia thn parakoloyqhsh twn PEP einai o k. Paxtas, o Yfypoyrgos Eqnikhs Oikonomias. Qa ekdoqei leptomerhs kybernhtikh anakoinwsh.

KARASABBA: O Prwqypoyrgos qa synanthqei me Germanoys ajiwmatoyxoys toy CDU;

REPPAS: Qa yparjei tetoia synanthsh ayrio (15.5.96) stis 12.00 to meshmeri.

KARASABBA: Mhpws jerete an oi Germanoi politikoi qa qesoyn to qema ths INTRAKOM - ZIEMENS;

REPPAS: Den mporw na sas dwsw apanthsh. An to qesoyn oi Germanoi, asfalws qa laboyn apanthsh. Kai h apanthsh einai oti toy qematos epilambanontai hdh oi dikastikes arxes.

KARASABBA: Exei teqei pote ayto to qema apo th germanikh pleyra;

REPPAS: Epishmws oxi. Ej oswn gnwrizw, oxi. Alla mporw na to diereynhsw.

KARASABBA: Qa me ypoxrewnate.

REPPAS: Kalws.
Eyxaristw poly.

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