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Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Deytera, 4 Ioylioy 2011

Ariqmos Deltioy: 340884925

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KYBERNHTIKOS EKPROSWPOS

Aqhna, 4 Ioylioy 2011

KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO HLIA MOSIALO

Kalo meshmeri.

Qa dexqw tis erwthseis sas amesws, xwris sxolia apo th dikh moy pleyra.

SIDERHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, poso yperhfanos aisqanqhkate me th dhlwsh Gioynker gia ``calidi'' sthn eqnikh kyriarxia ths xwras;

MOSIALOS: Ayto poy qa hqela na pw einai oti sta plaisia ths symfwnias mas me thn Eyrwpaikh 'Enwsh - kai exoyme mia poly sygkekrimenh symfwnia- prepei na eimaste poly synepeis sthn efarmogh ths. Oi oroi ayths ths symfwnias apoteloyn desmeyseis mas, poy prosdiorizoyn ws enan baqmo kai tis sxetikes politikes mas. Omws, eimaste se synexh diapragmateysh me toys daneistes mas kai thn Eyrwpaikh 'Enwsh kai qa allazoyme synexws toys oroys ayths ths symfwnias. To shmantiko, poy qa prepei na doyme, einai oti h Ellada prepei na orqopodhsei, na ftiajei ena sygxrono kratos, mia apotelesmatikh ejwstrefh oikonomia, etsi wste na mhn xreiazetai na exei kamia morfh ejarthshs.

STRATAKHS: Hqela na rwthsw, sthn prospaqeia ayth qa exoyme kai eidhmones apo thn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh poy qa epiblepoyn thn efarmogh twn symfwnhqentwn;

MOSIALOS: Oxi, ayto to opoio problepetai einai h texnikh bohqeia. Ayto eixe kaqoristei kai sthn epistolh poy esteile o Prwqypoyrgos ston k. Mparozo. Qa yparxei, epomenws, texnikh bohqeia kai gia th diekperaiwsh twn koinotikwn programmatwn, alla kai allwn qematwn, opws h ajiopoihsh ths akinhths dhmosias perioysias kai twn apokratikopoihsewn. Se kamia periptwsh, omws, den prokeitai na yparxoyn epitropoi sta ellhnika ypoyrgeia.

MOSXOBAS: Hqela ena sxolio gia kati gia to opoio mas enhmerwse o k. Gioynker, oti exoyme apwlesei meros ths eqnikhs mas kyriarxias, opws eipe se synenteyjh toy. To exei pei kai o Prwqypoyrgos palaiotera. To epibebaiwse o k. Gioynker. Qelw na to akoysw epishmws kai apo esas. Einai etsi;

MOSIALOS: Dhlwsa prohgoymenws poia einai h epishmh qesh ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs.

MOSXOBAS: Epi ths oysias, omws;

MOSIALOS: Epi ths oysias, sas eipa oti xreiazetai na ftiajoyme mia oikonomia sobarh, ejwstrefh, me ejagwgiko xarakthra, me mikrotero eyelikto kratos, dhmioyrgiko kratos, konta ston polith. Otan ola ayta ta petyxoyme, tote h xwra mas qa mporesei na exei pleonasmatikoys proypologismoys kai na mhn xreiazetai na daneizetai gia na xrhmatodotei thn oikonomia ths.

MOSXOBAS: Syggnwmh poy epimenw, ara, mexri na ftasoyme s ekeino to epiqymhto epipedo, exoyme periorismenh kyriarxia.

MOSIALOS: Eimaste se mia synexh poreia ejorqologismoy ths ellhnikhs oikonomias. Ayth th stigmh xreiazomaste daneies dynameis kai aytes einai oi daneiakes ypoxrewseis ths xwras, giati den exoyme pleonasmatikoys proypologismoys. Fetos, paradeigmatos xarin, mas leipoyn 11,5 dis gia na xrhmatodothsoyme tis anagkes toy kratoys, oxi toys tokoys. Tis kratikes leitoyrgies. Ayta ta 11,5 dis antistoixoyn peripoy sto 52% - 55%, dhladh, toy misoy twn misqwn toy synoloy twn dhmosiwn ypallhlwn. Dhladh, h misqodosia twn dhmosiwn ypallhlwn einai 21,7 dis. Ayth th stigmh mas leipoyn, an den paroyme ta daneia, 11,5 dis kai edw den bazw toys tokoys. Ayto einai ena shmantiko qema. Prepei syntoma na apokthsoyme pleonasmatikoys proypologismoys.

MOYRELATOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, sto politiko kai koinwniko skhniko poy diamorfwnetai sth xwra mas, bohqane tetoies dhlwseis, opws aytes toy k. Gioynker;

MOSIALOS: Nomizw oti o k. Gioynker exei kanei kai alles dhlwseis. Ean deite tis dhlwseis toy k. Gioynker, prin apo dyo ebdomades, milhse gia meiwsh twn epitokiwn. Ayth htan mia ejairetika xrhsimh kai kalh dhlwsh gia mas poy dystyxws, sthn Ellada perase aparathrhth.

BITALHS: 'Exoyn perasei, hdh, kapoies hmeres apo ekeina ta gegonota poy eixame sto Syntagma kai sth Boylh kai th syzhthsh poy akoloyqhse, h opoia epanerxetai me entash synexws sta mesa enhmerwshs. Qelw na sas rwthsw, ean yparxei kapoia proodos, sxetika me thn ereyna poy exei diatajei gi ayta ta gegonota o armodios ypoyrgos. Yparxei kapoio porisma etoimo, qa bgei, ti ginetai me ayto;

MOSIALOS: Qa hqela na sas enhmerwsw oti shmera o k. Papoytshs esteile ston Eisaggelea thn enorkh dioikhtikh ejetash. Oloklhrwqhke h enorkh dioikhtikh ejetash kai estalh ston Eisaggelea. Anamenoyme twra thn antapokrish ths Ellhnikhs Dikaiosynhs, gia na yparxei kai politikh apofash ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs.

MPEKA: Se polla merh ths xwras kykloforoyn afises enantion twn boyleytwn poy chfisan to mesoproqesmo. Kai anaferomai oxi sta epeisodia enantion twn boyleytwn, apla gia tis afises. Kata th logikh pollwn kybernhtikwn kai kommatikwn stelexwn, opws o k. Pagkalos, o k. Karximakhs, o k. Apostolos Kaklamanhs, lene oti gia ola ftaiei sygkekrimenos politikos xwros, o SYRIZA. Poia einai h epishmh qesh kai apoch ths kybernhshs kai toy Prwqypoyrgoy gi aytes tis kathgories enantion enos kommatos;

MOSIALOS: Ayto to opoio leme emeis einai oti ola ta politika kommata, qa prepei me safhneia na katadikazoyn th bia. Kaqe morfh bias, ap opoy ki an proerxetai. Dhladh, qa prepei na kanoyn poly safeis kai kathgorhmatikes dhlwseis enantia sth bia, ap opoy ki an proerxetai ayth h bia. Den yparxei kalh kai kakh bia, den yparxei proodeytikh kai synthrhtikh bia. H bia einai opisqodromikh. Kai h bia empodizei toys polites na ekfrasoyn me eleyqeria tis apoceis toys. Me ayth thn ennoia, emeis anamenoyme ola ta politika kommata na katadikasoyn kaqe morfh bias.

SPANOY: Mia kai milame gia th bia, ektos apo to peristatiko poy egine EDE, yparxoyn polles epwnymes kataggelies politwn gia peristatika astynomikhs bias kai ayqairesias kai prwtofanoys agriothtas. Yparxoyn kataggelies apo to Dikhgoriko Syllogo, apo to Farmakeytiko Syllogo, ton Iatriko Syllogo kai thn Enwsh Eisaggelewn, poy miloyn peripoy gia dhmokratikh ektroph. Eseis exete pei oti h astynomia edeije aytosygkrathsh. Poy apodidete olh ayth thn omobrontia kataggeliwn;

MOSIALOS: Kat` arxhn qa hqela na tonisw oti oi kataggelies einai eynohtes, epiqymhtes kai qa prepei na katalhjoyn kai sthn ellhnikh dikaiosynh gia na paroyn kai to dromo toys. Dhladh, to swsto dromo mesw ths ellhnikhs dikaiosynhs. Emeis enqarrynoyme aytes oi kataggelies na katalhjoyn sthn ellhnikh dikaiosynh. Ayth einai mia poly safhs topoqethsh. Apo ekei kai pera, nomizw oti doqhkan oi aparaithtes ejhghseis kai apo ton ypoyrgo Ygeias kai apo ton ypoyrgo Prostasias toy Polith, sth Boylh. Kai eixame dyo periodoys sthn ekfrash diamartyriwn: Mia poly megalh periodo me eirhnikes diadhlwseis, opoy den yphrxan problhmata. Kai mia deyterh periodo, opoy eixame ta fainomena twn koykoyloforwn, ta opoia profanws, den proklhqhkan apo thn kybernhsh - kai oyte kaneis tonizei kati tetoio, se kamia periptwsh- kai ta opoia prokaloyn terastia problhmata, oxi mono sth dhmokratikh leitoyrgia alla kai ston ellhniko toyrismo, sthn ellhnikh oikonomia, sthn idiwtikh idiokthsia. Einai qemata ta opoia, dystyxws, den mpainoyn sto dhmosio dialogo kai ta opoia qa prepei apo edw kai mpros na arxisoyme na ta syzhtame. Ti epiptwseis, dhladh, exoyn ayta ta fainomena ths biaihs antiparaqeshs ston ellhniko toyrismo, sthn ellhnikh oikonomia kai sthn idiokthsia twn Ellhnwn politwn. Sto plaisio ayto h kybernhsh qa labei kai sygkekrimenes prwtoboylies, to epomeno diasthma.

MIXAHL: Prin apo ligh wra bghke mia anakoinwsh apo thn Standard ... Poor s poy oyte ligo, oyte ligo poly, leei oti oles aytes oi syzhthseis poy ginontai se eyrwpaiko epipedo gia thn ejeyresh mias lyshs me th symmetoxh kai idiwtwn gia th ryqmish toy ellhnikoy xreoys oi idioi th qewroyn en merei pistwtiko gegonos. Ean h kybernhsh exei ena sxolio ep` aytoy.

MOSIALOS: Yparxoyn se ejelijh oi diergasies ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs. Opws gnwrizete, oi kybernhseis den qa prepei na epembainoyn se diergasies poy aforoyn sthn eqelontikh symmetoxh twn idiwtikwn trapezwn h idiwtikwn asfalistikwn tameiwn. Den syzhtame aytes tis diadikasies.

MIXAHL: To erwthma einai oti efoson ginontai aytes oi diadikasies, to gegonos oti parembainei enas oikos ajiologhshs, eseis den qelete na to sxoliasete;

MOSIALOS: Einai gnwsth h qesh mas gia toys oikoys ajiologhshs, opws einai gnwstes kai oi parembaseis ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs sthn Eyrwpaikh Epitroph, kaqws kai oi synomilies poy exoyme me ton ypeyqyno ths eswterikhs agoras Epitropo Mparnie, etsi wste na yparjei kai enas eyrwpaikos organismos ajiologhshs, o opoios ayth th stigmh einai ypo qesmoqethsh. Den mporoyme na akoloyqoyme tis eikasies kai ta porismata kerdoskopikwn oikwn. Yparxei se ejelijh ena eyrwpaiko programma daneismoy ths xwras kai ekei menoyme.

GARGALAKOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, exoyme ginei martyres ta teleytaia eikositetrawra, mias diamaxhs poy exei prokycei anamesa stoys efhmeridopwles kai se diafora praktoreia. Alla genika yparxei mia dystokia sto qema ths apeleyqerwshs twn epaggelmatwn. Yparxoyn kai oi mhxanikoi poy lene oti den exoyn bgei ta proedrika diatagmata. Yparxoyn kai polles ekkremothtes telos pantwn. Ti ginetai m` ayth thn ypoqesh;

MOSIALOS: Qa hqela na sas pw oti den xreiazetai na ekdoqoyn Proedrika Diatagmata. Isxyoyn oi nomoi toy kratoys, opws aytoi chfisthkan apo thn ellhnikh Boylh. Ayto, omws, den shmainei oti h apeleyqerwsh odhgei aytomata kai se adeia askhshs epaggelmatos. Dhladh, an kapoios qelei na ginei giatros h aeronayphgos, den mporei na ginei, an prohgoymenws den exei spoydasei sthn Iatrikh, an den exei perasei stis ejetaseis toy h an den exei spoydasei sto Polytexneio kai den exei kataqesei to sxetiko fakelo me ta dikaiologhtika poy problepei h ellhnikh nomoqesia stis armodies kratikes Arxes. Ayto poy allazei twra einai oti oi armodies kratikes Arxes qa prepei na apanthsoyn entos diasthmatos triwn mhnwn. Epomenws, den xreiazetai na ekdoqoyn sygkekrimena Proedrika Diatagmata. Ta epaggelmata exoyn apeleyqerwqei, me thn proypoqesh, opws tonisa, na throyntai oi diadikasies poy problepei h ellhnikh nomoqesia.

SEGKOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, sta thleoptika Mesa tis prohgoymenes hmeres problhqhkan eikones apisteyths agriothtas me andres twn MAT na jylokopoyn aploys diadhlwtes kai oxi koykoyloforoys. Malista, an qelete, mporeite na deite ayta ta binteo kai sto diadiktyo. Kykloforoyn kai ekei. Ap` o,ti katalabainw gia thn kybernhsh den yparxei tipote mempto se ayth th stash ths astynomias;

MOSIALOS: Sas anefera oti hdh oloklhrwqhke mia EDE, enw brisketai se ejelijh kai mia deyterh poy dietaje o k. Ragkoyshs kai afora toys syndikalistes ths EQEL. Kai perimenoyme ayto to porisma. To ena porisma exei hdh doqei sthn ellhnikh dikaiosynh kai perimenoyme thn amesh antapokrish ths. H astynomia kinhqhke kai oloklhrwse thn EDE se poly syntomo xroniko diasthma. Elpizw oti kai h deyterh EDE, se poly syntomo xroniko diasthma, qa doqei sth dhmosiothta h qa parapemfqei sth Dikaiosynh. Qa hqela, omws, na tonisw kai to anefera kai sthn arxh, oti qa prepei na katadikasoyme ola ta fainomena bias ap` opoy kai an proerxontai. Yphrxe fainomeno bias sygkekrimenoy koykoyloforoy enantia se boyleyth toy PA.SO.K. Yparxoyn genikws fainomena bias, periorismoy eleyqerias ths ekfrashs twn boyleytwn. Emeis, ws kybernhsh katadikazoyme ola ta fainomena bias, ap` opoy kai an proerxontai. Opws sas anefera, gi` ayta ta qemata qa yparxoyn kai prwtoboylies ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs, to epomeno diasthma.

SEGKOS: Synepws kai thn astynomikh bia katadikazete;

MOSIALOS: Sas eipa, ap` opoy kai an proerxontai, alla prepei ayta ta qemata na ta blepoyme synolika kai oxi apospasmatika. Eimai safhs sth dhlwsh moy.

KEXAGIA: Mporeite na ginete ligo pio safhs, ws pros tis prwtoboylies aytes;

MOSIALOS: Oxi. Qa perimenoyme na yparjei syzhthsh se kybernhtiko epipedo kai qa exoyme th dynatothta na epanelqoyme.

MOSXOBAS: Mia dieykrinish kai mia erwthsh. H dieykrinish afora sto apo poion korbana qa plhrwnontai oi texnokrates poy eseis lete oti den qa einai epithrhtes gia na mas bohqhsoyn, na mas ejagoyn texnognwsia. Apo to diko mas h apo ths E.E.;

MOSIALOS: Emeis zhthsame, ola ayta, na einai epipleon bohqeia ths E.E. Einai ena qema to opoio qa dieykrinistei tis epomenes hmeres.

MOSXOBAS: Ara, den einai akomh bebaio, an qa plhrwnontai apo emas h apo ekeinoys.

MOSIALOS: Zhthsame texnikh bohqeia, ws epipleon bohqeia pros thn ellhnikh kybernhsh.

MOSXOBAS: Kai h erwthsh poy qelw na kanw einai h ejhs, se sxesh me tis apolyseis twn dhmosiwn ypallhlwn: Sthn ekqesh ths h KOMISION perigrafei oti h ellhnikh kybernhsh desmeyetai na symperilabei ektos apo ta gnwsta metra periorismoy twn dhmosiwn ypallhlwn kai to metro twn apolysewn, sth nea daneiakh symbash. Exete kata noy na apolysete dhmosioys ypallhloys;

MOSIALOS: Opws gnwrizete, sto steno dhmosio tomea den problepontai apolyseis apo to Syntagma. Ayto einai dedomeno kai eimai safhs ws pros ayto. Exoyme, omws, se ejelijh th diadikasia ena pros pente poy mporei na epektaqei.

MOSXOBAS: Na ayjhqei to noymero ennoeite;

MOSIALOS: Oxi. Na epektaqei genika sto synolo toy dhmosioy tomea, pente apoxwrhseis pros mia proslhch. Ayto qa odhghsei se poly megalh meiwsh toy ariqmoy twn dhmosiwn ypallhlwn. Hdh, o ariqmos twn dhmosiwn ypallhlwn exei meiwqei kata 105.000 epi diakybernhshs PA.SO.K. Einai enas poly megalos ariqmos, mia poly megalh meiwsh.

MOSXOBAS: Epeidh analabate th desmeysh, ws kybernhsh ennow, na symperilabete kai to metro ths apolyshs. Ayto qa afora ton eyrytero dhmosio tomea, ap` o,ti katalabainw.

MOSIALOS: Ston eyrytero dhmosio tomea, ta dioikhtika symboylia twn DEKO qa laboyn tis apofaseis toys. Sto steno dhmosio tomea yparxoyn oi gnwstes syntagmatikes desmeyseis.

MPEKA: Giati to Sabbato 2 Ioylioy me tis ypografes toy k. Benizeloy kai toy k. Probopoyloy, en agnoia ths Boylhs, ypogracate symfwnies gia nea metra se baros ths Elladas kai twn Ellhnwn, opws grafei shmera ena dhmosieyma ths efhmeridas ``ELEYQEROTYPIA''. Telika, ti einai to Koinoboylio gia thn kybernhsh Papandreoy, ypenqymizontas oti oyte thn prwth daneiakh symbash ferate ekei gia kyrwsh.

MOSIALOS: Nomizw oti yparxei sxetikh anakoinwsh toy ypoyrgoy twn Oikonomikwn oti sto mnhmonio den perilambanetai tipota poy na mhn exei paroysiastei analytika sth Boylh kata th syzhthsh kai chfish toy mesoproqesmoy programmatos dhmosionomikhs prosarmoghs kai toy efarmostikoy nomoy. Einai mia poly safhs dhlwsh toy ypoyrgeioy Oikonomikwn kai toy idioy toy ypoyrgoy. Den yparxoyn prosqetes protaseis h prosqeta metra, pera ap ayta ta opoia exoyn paroysiastei sthn koinoboyleytikh diadikasia. Einai poly safhs h topoqethsh moy, giati anaferesqe se dhmosieyma kai oxi se epishmh phgh.

MPEKA: Kai kati epipleon, panw s ayto: Sto idio dhmosieyma leei oti mexri 15 Aygoystoy qa erqei enas deyteros efarmostikos nomos.

MOSIALOS: Ma, o efarmostikos nomos o prwtos htan enas apo toys efarmostikoys nomoys ylopoihshs toy mesoproqesmoy programmatos. Piqanws, na yparxei kai tritos kai tetartos. Analoga me thn ejelijh toy mesoproqesmoy programmatos ejelissontai kai oi efarmostikoi nomoi. O prwtos efarmostikos nomos anaferetai stis draseis gi ayth th xronia.

SIDERHS: Eipate oti to fainomeno twn koykoyloforwn den proklhqhke profanws apo thn kybernhsh. Pws ejhgeite omws oti epi 30 xronia oi koykoyloforoi zoyn kai basileyoyn, probokaroyn diadhlwseis kai pote den exei bgei oyte mia koykoyla apo toys astynomikoys;

MOSIALOS: Nomizw oti exoyn ginei arketes syllhceis, kyrie Siderh, opws gnwrizete kai apo ekei kai pera, akoloyqei o rolos ths ellhnikhs dikaiosynhs. Den einai qema ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs, den einai qema ths astynomias. Opws sas eipa, qa yparjoyn anakoinwseis ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs to epomeno diasthma gi ayta ta qemata.

MIXAHL: Oi prytaneis kataferontai me sklhres ekfraseis enantion ths prwtoboylias gia th metarryqmish poy prowqei to ypoyrgeio Paideias, gyrw apo ta AEI. Malista, lene oti oyte ligo, oyte poly, oyte toys exoyn enhmerwsei kai toys pianoyn ejapinhs. Poia einai h qesh ths kybernhshs;

MOSIALOS: Nomizw oti eixame dialogo gia panw apo peripoy ena xrono, qa elega, gia ta qemata twn Anwtatwn Ekpaideytikwn Idrymatwn. H kyria Diamantopoyloy exei paroysiasei, kat epanalhch, tis protaseis ths kai stis synodoys twn prytanewn, alla kai se diaboyleyseis kai syzhthseis me kaqhghtes panepisthmiwn. Ektetamenes diaboyleyseis kai syzhthseis. Kai h diaboyleysh den exei teleiwsei. Molis twra arxise me thn paroysiash twn basikwn shmeiwn. Kai qa synexisoyme na syzhtame kai me toys prytaneis kai me toys foithtes kai me toys panepisthmiakoys.

Ayto, omws, to opoio einai shmantiko kai qelw na tonisw einai to an qa prepei na proxwrhsoyme se mia rizikh metarryqmish twn Anwtatwn Ekpaideytikwn Idrymatwn. Eimaste h pempth xwra metajy twn xwrwn toy OOSA sth xrhmatodothsh twn AEI kai h 24h oson afora sthn apodotikothta twn Anwtatwn Ekpaideytikwn Idrymatwn. Kai ayto einai to qema.

To deytero qema, to opoio qa hqela na tonisw einai oti exoyme 35.000 ellhnes foithtes sto ejwteriko. Ena megalo meros aytwn phgainei sto ejwteriko gia metaptyxiaka programmata. Kai eimaste mia apo tis teleytaies xwres ston kosmo poy proselkyei jenoys foithtes, enw exoyme ajiologo panepisthmiako dynamiko kai entos ths xwras kai ektos ths xwras poy qa eprepe na to proselkyoyme anti na afhnoyme ayto to panepisthmiako dynamiko na didaskei se panepisthmia ths Amerikhs, ths Agglias h genika ths Dytikhs Eyrwphs.

Epomenws, einai anagkaia kai epitaktikh h metarryqmish twn AEI, etsi wste na exoyme pio apodotika panepisthmia, pio antagwnistika panepisthmia, pio ejwstrefh panepisthmia kai dieqnopoihmena panepisthmia. Kai ayth th metarryqmish, h kybernhsh qa thn proxwrhsei. Panta se dialogo me thn panepisthmiakh koinothta, alla eimaste apofasismenoi na petyxoyme ton stoxo mas, na exoyme pio dhmioyrgika kai pio ejwstrefh Anwtata Ekpaideytika Idrymata.

GARGALAKOS: Mhpws skeptetai h kratoysa katastash na balei kai didaktra sta AEI;

MOSIALOS: Se kamia periptwsh. Kathgorhmatika, oxi. Par oti kapoioi diakinoyn aytes tis plhrofories, kathgorhmatika oxi, den qa yparxoyn didaktra.

STRATAKHS: Na moy epitrecete na epanelqw sto qema twn epeisodiwn ths prohgoymenhs ebdomadas. Mhpws, pera apo tis EDE kai toys fakeloys sth Dikaiosynh, prepei prwtistws na yparjei politikh antimetwpish toy zhthmatos, kaq oti toso to porisma to opoio anegnwse apo toy bhmatos ths Boylhs o k. Papoytshs, oso kai apo ta gegonota ta opoia afhghqhkan me thn idia leptomereia syllhfqentes h mallon prostateyqentes apo thn astynomia kai h astynomia mas odhgei sthn epibebaiwsh twn senariwn poy yparxoyn xronia gia sygkoinwnoynta doxeia ths astynomias me sygkekrimenoys politikoys xwroys;

MOSIALOS: Emeis den yioqetoyme ayta ta senaria. Ayto omws to opoio qa hqela na tonisw, gia mian akomh fora, einai oti h politikh antimetwpish prepei na perilambanei oles tis diastaseis. Kai otan legw ``oles tis diastaseis'' ennow kai tis epiqeseis enantia se boyleytes kai genika ola ta fainomena bias ap opoy ki an proerxontai. Exw hdh apanthsei oti qa yparjoyn syntomws politikes prwtoboylies ths kybernhshs.

STRATAKHS: Mia yposhmeiwsh oti den prokeitai peri senariwn, alla peri pragmatikwn gegonotwn, ta opoia exoyn afhghqei oloi oi prwtagwnistes: Astynomia, koykoyloforoi poy proshlqan kai malista sto proaylio ths Boylhs kai o ypoyrgos. Dhladh, den milame gia senaria.

MOSIALOS: Gi ayto qa yparjei - yparxei kiolas- h enorkh dioikhtikh ejetash toy ypoyrgeioy Prostasias toy Polith, alla kai deyterh enorkh dioikhtikh ejetash, h opoia qa brei kai ayth ton dromo ths Dikaiosynhs.

MOSXOBAS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, me dedomenes tis apeiles toy oikoy Standard ... Poor s poy akoysame prin oti qa ypobaqmisei ta ellhnika omologa sto epipedo D ean qewrhqei en merei ws pistwtiko gegonos ayth h lysh ths Gallias poy prokrinetai me thn eqelontikh diakrathsh apo idiwtes kai me dedomeno oti endexomenws na apaithqoyn kai prosqeta metra, mhpws exete problhmatisqei ean h kybernhsh syretai monimws pisw apo tis ejelijeis;

MOSIALOS: Sas exw hdh dieykrinisei oti, gia mas, den tiqetai qema na sxoliasoyme aytes tis kinhseis aytwn twn dieqnwn oikwn. H diadikasia ths Biennhs einai mia eqelontikh diadikasia. Opoiadhpote dhlwsh ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs mporei na qewrhqei ws parembash s ayth th diadikasia.

MPEKA: Kyrie Ekproswpe, kybernhtika kai kommatika stelexh ejapolyoyn drimytates kathgories enantion ekeinwn poy pisteyoyn oti organwnoyn ta epeisodia se baros boyleytwn poy chfisan ``nai'' sto mesoproqesmo. Kat antistoixia h kybernhsh poioys pisteyei oti briskontai pisw apo tis apeiles kata ths zwhs toy Alekoy Aqanasiadh; Poioys qewrei ypeyqynoys;

MOSIALOS: O k. Aqanasiadhs qa prepei na katonomasei toys ypeyqynoys kai na katafygei ston Eisaggelea. Ayto dhlwnw.

ZAFEIRIADOY: Kyrie Ekproswpe, ean o k. Aqanasiadhs prepei na katonomasei toys ypeyqynoys kai na paei ston Eisaggelea, to idio den qa prepei na kanei kai o k. Karximakhs apo thn pleyra toy PASOK poy mila gia ``gkotzamanhdes'' xwris trikykla, anaferomenos se enan poly sygkekrimeno politiko xwro; Na pei dhladh poioi einai aytoi oi anqrwpoi poy dhmioyrgoyn ayta ta epeisodia, merikes fores kai tis prajeis bias, opws sth Lamia;

MOSIALOS: Nomizw oti oi anafores einai poly sygkekrimenes. Yparxei anakoinwsh ths neolaias toy SYRIZA poy anaferetai se ``polemo'', poy anaferetai ston Prwqypoyrgo ws ``arxistrathgo twn exqrwn''. Yparxei anakoinwsh ths Nomarxiakhs Epitrophs Magnhsias toy SYRIZA poy kataggellei toys topikoys mas boyleytes, ton k. Kartalh kai thn kyria Zhsh, gia thn ``egklhmatikh'' toys symperifora. Epomenws, o SYRIZA ofeilei na parei qesh kai na dieykrinisei poia einai h epishmh qesh toy kommatos apenanti stis anakoinwseis ths neolaias kai ths sygkekrimenhs Nomarxiakhs Epitrophs.

STRATAKHS: Hqela na rwthsw, o k. Samaras desmeyqhke me synenteyjh toy se kyriakatikh efhmerida, oti otan to epitrecei to elleimma, qa apokatasthsei thn apwleia eisodhmatos poy exoyn ypostei oi polites. Eseis qa to kanete ayto; Desmeyesqe;

MOSIALOS: Profanws, aytonohto einai. Ma, mila gia ta aytonohta o k. Samaras. Qa mporoyse na mas pei pote qa apokatastaqei ayto to elleimma me tis politikes ths N.D.; Giati mila me poly ypoqetikoys oroys. Emeis kostologhsame to ``Zappeio 2'' kai me bash to ``Zappeio 2'' qa exoyme elleimmata 36 dis eyrw. Ara, pote me bash tis politikes ths N.D.

ZAFEIRIADOY: Hqela, epi ths prohgoymenhs erwthshs poy eqesa, epeidh anaferqhkate se dyo poly sygkekrimenes anakoinwseis ths neolaias toy SYRIZA kai ths Nomarxiakhs Epitrophs Magnhsias. Aytoys, loipon, poy ypografoyn aytes tis anakoinwseis stoxopoieite ws komma kai oxi ws kybernhsh;

MOSIALOS: Den omilw ek meroys toy kommatos, omilw ek meroys ths kybernhshs. Ayth th stigmh yparxoyn ayta ta dyo gegonota. Ek meroys ths kybernhshs, zhthsa, sthn arxh ths topoqethshs moy, ap ola ta kommata, na katadikasoyn kaqe morfh bias, ap opoy ki an proerxetai. Kai tonisa oti den yparxei kalh kai kakh bia, den yparxei proodeytikh kai synthrhtikh bia. H bia einai opisqodromikh. Kai einai enantia sthn eleyqeria ekfrashs kaqe Ellhna polith kai twn boyleytwn. Kai ayth thn eleyqeria ekfrashs thn exoyme katoxyrwsei s ayth th xwra. Epomenws, den qa prepei na apeileitai apo kamia morfh bias.

Sas eyxaristw poly.

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