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Dieyqynsh Plhroforhshs

Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Trith, 21 Ioynioy 2011

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KYBERNHTIKOS EKPROSWPOS

Aqhna, 21 Ioynioy 2011

KAI KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO HLIA MOSIALO

Kalo meshmeri.

Shmera, to Koinoboylio syzhta, gia trith hmera, th diadikasia chfoy empistosynhs sthn kybernhsh. H syzhthsh qa oloklhrwqei ta mesanyxta, me th gnwsth koinoboyleytikh diadikasia.

Perimenw tis erwthseis sas.

KOYTRAS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, skeftetai h kybernhsh, meta tis apofaseis toy Eurogroup, oi opoies htan safeis kai eipan oti mexri tis 3 Ioylioy qa prepei na exei chfistei to mesoproqesmo kai oi efarmostikoi nomoi, epeidh den yparxei periqwrio xronoy, o efarmostikos nomos na erqei me th morfh toy katepeigontos;

MOSIALOS: Ayto to opoio gnwrizoyme ayth th stigmh einai oti qa exoyme tis gnwstes koinoboyleytikes diadikasies gia thn chfish toy mesoproqesmoy programmatos. To mesoproqesmo qa chfistei thn epomenh ebdomada. Gia ton efarmostiko nomo kai tis diadikasies chfoforias, qa kanei anakoinwseis o ypoyrgos twn Oikonomikwn kai Antiproedros ths Kybernhshs, kata th diarkeia ths omilias toy, shmera sth Boylh. Moy zhthse na sas enhmerwsw oti qa kanei sygkekrimenes anakoinwseis gia th diadikasia ths chfoforias.

KOYTRAS: Epeidh katalabainw oti profanws, epeidh piezei o xronos, qa ginoyn mikroteres oi diadikasies. Den sas problhmatizei h antidrash twn boyleytwn toy PASOK; Dioti, ena apo ta basika zhthmata poy eixan balei prin ginei olh ayth h istoria, htan oti den qeloyn na chfisoyn allo nomosxedio ths kybernhshs, to opoio qa erqei me th morfh toy katepeigontos.

MOSIALOS: Sas enhmerwnw kai pali: Sas parapempw sth dhlwsh poy ekane shmera o ypoyrgos twn Oikonomikwn kai Antiproedros ths Kybernhshs kai sthn thlefwnikh epikoinwnia poy eixe me ton arxhgo ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs k. Samara, kaqws epishs kai sthn prohgoymenh topoqethsh poy ekana oti qa yparxoyn analytikes dhlwseis apo ton ypoyrgo twn Oikonomikwn shmera sth Boylh, gia th diadikasia chfishs toy efarmostikoy nomoy.

SIDERHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, ti nohma eixe h synanthsh xqes toy k. Prwqypoyrgoy me toys kyrioys Rompai kai Mparozo; To mono poy eida na bgainei apo aytes einai h piesh sthn Ellada gia synainesh. Phge kai toy zhthse na piesoyn thn ajiwmatikh antipoliteysh na synainesei;

MOSIALOS: Qewreite oti mono to periexomeno twn telikwn anakoinwqentwn antanakla tis syzhthseis toy Prwqypoyrgoy me ton k. Ban Rompai kai ton k. Mparozo; Profanws, oxi...

SIDERHS: ... oxi, alla dikaioymai na to eklabw etsi.

MOSIALOS: Qa moy epitrecete kyrie Siderh na oloklhrwsw thn apanthsh moy, an qelete kai meta, qa exete oso xrono qelete na me rwthsete pali. Sas
eyxaristw poly.

Oi synanthseis aytes toy Prwqypoyrgoy me ton k. Ban Rompai kai ton k. Mparozo, entassontai sta plaisia twn episkecewn kai twn synanthsewn toy Prwqypoyrgoy me hgetes xwrwn ths Eyrwpaikhs 'Enwshs kai dieqnwn Organismwn. Kata th gnwmh mas, einai ejairetika xrhsimo na ginontai aytes oi synanthseis kai pisteyoyme oti etsi to antilambanetai kai o ellhnikos laos, oloi oi ellhnes polites, oti den mporoyme na diapragmateyomaste kai na syzhtame me toys armodioys eyrwpaikoys foreis poy daneizoyn thn Ellhnikh Dhmokratia, me to na menoyme sthn Aqhna. Epomenws, yparxoyn koina anakoinwqenta. Piqanws ayta ekfrazoyn kai epiqymies synaineshs apo toys politikoys hgetes me toys opoioys synantatai o k. Prwqypoyrgos. To shmantiko gia mas, omws, einai na katalhjoyme se ena qetiko apotelesma gia th xwra.

SIDERHS: Ta koina anakoinwqenta, otan exoyn mia eniaia apoch, einai kai h apokrystallwsh twn synanthsewn aytwn. An yphrxe kati allo, qa eixe yparjei estw kai ws endeijh sta koina anakoinwqenta...

MOSIALOS: Sta anakoinwqenta toy k. Mparozo kai toy k. Ban Rompai htan safes oti anagnwrizetai h terastia prospaqeia poy exei kanei mexri stigmhs h Ellada na meiwsei to dhmosionomiko ths elleimma. Ayto einai mia safhs anagnwrish kai einai mia kat' epanalhch anagnwrish poy ginetai sta anakoinwqenta twn teleytaiwn ebdomadwn. Kai ayto qa prepei na krathsoyme.

PAPPA: Kyrie Ekproswpe, qa hqela na epanelqw sthn prohgoymenh erwthsh, oson afora toys efarmostikoys nomoys kai na sas pw oti sto teleytaio dieyrymeno KTE Oikonomias, eixe ginei pollh syzhthsh gia toys efarmostikoys nomoys kai eixe parasxei tote th diabebaiwsh o k. Papakwnstantinoy oti qa ginei ejantlhtikh syzhthsh se sxesh me aytoys kai oti ekei, kata kyrio logo, estiazontai oi antidraseis kai oi epifylajeis twn boyleytwn. Twra, ayto blepete na allazei me ayta poy mas lete oti qa ta anakoinwsei o k. Benizelos;

MOSIALOS: Ma, sas eipa kati para poly sygkekrimeno: Na perimenoyme ton ypoyrgo twn Oikonomikwn, na anakoinwsei th diadikasia. Moy lete twra na antikatasthsw thn anakoinwsh toy ypoyrgoy twn Oikonomikwn. Den qa hqela na to prajw.

PAPPA: Apo thn allh pleyra, piezei o xronos.

MOSIALOS: Profanws, alla se liges wres, o ypoyrgos twn Oikonomikwn qa kanei poly sygkekrimenes anakoinwseis gia thn koinoboyleytikh diadikasia poy qa akoloyqhsoyme.

MIXAHL: Mesa sto mesoproqesmo programma yparxei h protash ths kybernhshs ston tomea twn apokratikopoihsewn na katebei to pososto ths DEH sto 34%. Par' ola ayta, gia orismenoys boyleytes, ayto den ginetai apodekto kai epimenoyn na diaforopoioyntai. Qa synexisei na yparxei ayth h qesh sas en ocei ths chfoforias h qa thn tropopoihsete;

MOSIALOS: Ayth th stigmh, ayto to opoio isxyei kai einai meros kai toy mesoproqesmoy programmatos einai oti to pososto symmetoxhs toy Dhmosioy qa meiwqei kata 17%.

MPEQANH: Symfwna me shmerina dhmosieymata sth Gallia kai sth Germania, thn epomenh ebdomada qa yparjei mia koinh diafhmistikh kataxwrhsh, peripoy 35 megalwn eyrwpaikwn epixeirhsewn, oi opoies qa zhtoyn apo toys politikoys ths Eyrwphs na stamathsoyn toys laikismoys kai na sthrijoyn tis xwres toy notoy, opws einai h Ellada, giati den prepei na paizei kaneis me th megalh katakthsh, opws shmeiwnoyn, toy eyrw. Poio einai to sxolio sas gi` ayth thn prwtoboylia;

MOSIALOS: Den qa hqela na sxoliasw aytes tis dieqneis prwtoboylies. Opws gnwrizete, yparxoyn qetikes dieqneis prwtoboylies, yparxoyn kai polles arnhtikes prwtoboylies enantion ths xwras mas. Emeis, epishmainoyme ta qetika kai elpizoyme na ginoyn poly perissotera. Opws gnwrizete, qa analabw kai egw poly megales prwtoboylies sto ejwteriko, me syxnes episkeceis kai syzhthseis me ta dieqnh MME. Opote, otidhpote qetiko ginetai, toso kalytera gia thn patrida mas.

SEGKOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, mhpws afoy apetyxe h prospaqeia ths kybernhshs na pagideysei ton ellhniko lao me oles aytes tis ekklhseis peri synaineshs, twra epistrateyei kai toys ajiwmatoyxoys ths E.E.; Anaferomai stis xqesines dhlwseis Mparozo kai Rompai poy, an mh ti allo, synistoyn mia aprokalypth parembash sthn eswterikh politikh zwh ths xwras, me ola ayta poy eipan peri synaineshs.

MOSIALOS: Ayto poy qa hqela na sas pw egw, einai oti emeis qa proxwrhsoyme me apofasistikothta gia na chfisoyme to mesoproqesmo programma kai ton efarmostiko nomo. Ayta einai dikh mas politikh. Den qa sxoliasw tis dhlwseis jenwn ypoyrgwn h jenwn efhmeridwn poy anaferontai sta qemata synaineshs h akomh kai sto proswpo toy arxhgoy ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs. Den sxoliazoyme.

SEGKOS: Eseis qewreite fysiologiko, dhladh, na parembainei o jenos paragontas, opws eipate kai eseis, sto eswteriko ths xwras; Poso mallon otan exoyme kai mia asxhmh empeiria sto parelqon.

MOSIALOS: Gnwrizete poses fores exoyn graftei arnhtika sxolia gia thn kybernhsh, gia ypoyrgoys h thn kybernhtikh politikh; Den qa prepei na deixnoyme aytes tis yperbolikes eyaisqhsies, kaqe fora poy yparxei ena arnhtiko sxolio. Arnhtika sxolia yparxoyn kai ston ellhniko kai sto dieqnh Typo. Profanws, emeis den qa qelame na yparxei kanena arnhtiko sxolio kai gia thn kybernhsh, alla kai gia ta ypoloipa kommata poy symmetexoyn sthn koinoboyleytikh diadikasia. Kai den mas aresei, otan yparxoyn arnhtika sxolia, eite einai gia thn kybernhsh, eite ayta aforoyn thn ajiwmatikh antipoliteysh kai idiaitera ton k. Samara, eite ayta ta sxolia aforoyn arxhgoys allwn kommatwn. Kai edw eimai kathgorhmatikos.

PITTARAS: Qa hqela na sas rwthsw, se sxesh me th stash twn oikwn ajiologhshs, giati mexri twra pairnate kapoia metra kai oi oikoi ebgainan ek twn ysterwn kai oysiastika mas ypobaqmizan, telos pantwn kinoyntan entelws arnhtika apenanti mas. Twra, blepoyme oti ayto to kanoyn prokatabolika. Dhladh, anaferomai ston oiko Fitch, o opoios exei bgei kai exei pei oti o idios qa ermhneysei ws xreokopia thn kinhsh metakylishs ths lhjhs twn ellhnikwn omologwn kai ek twn pragmatwn qa ypobaqmisei kai thn pistolhptikh ikanothta ths Elladas. Qelw na rwthsw, pws qa antidrasete s` ayto; Kai to lew me thn ennoia oti sto parelqon exoyme fqasei dyo fores, poly konta, sto na kinhqei to ellhniko dhmosio kai nomika enantion twn oikwn ajiologhshs. Qa to prajete ayto;

MOSIALOS: Einai se ejelijh mia diadikasia stis Bryjelles. Opws gnwrizete, oi Bryjelles kai h Eyrwpaikh Epitroph etoimazoyn ena neo qesmiko plaisio, oson afora th ryqmish twn dieqnwn oikwn ajiologhshs. Ayto, omws, yperbainei tis armodiothtes ths E.E. Qa prepei na yparxei ena dieqnes qesmiko plaisio gia toys oikoys ajiologhshs. Den tiqetai qema nomikhs diadikasias ayth th stigmh. Ayto, omws, to opoio tiqetai ws qema einai na proxwrhsei h diadikasia -se eyrwpaiko epipedo- ths syzhthshs, gia to pws qa enisxyqei h ellhnikh oikonomia, pera apo thn 5h dosh toy daneioy poy anamenoyme meta tis chfofories poy qa ginoyn tis epomenes hmeres. Ayto einai to shmantiko. Opws gnwrizete, exei anoijei mia syzhthsh apo to Eurogroup epi twn arxwn kai qa synexistei ayth h syzhthsh. Epeidh, omws, den exoyme katalhjei, oi ypotiqemenes ypobaqmiseis ginontai epi syzhthsewn poy einai en ejelijei. Den mas aresei, profanws, oti to dieqnes qesmiko plaisio gia toys oikoys ajiologhshs einai toso xalaro kai den antapokrinetai stis sygxrones oikonomikes anagkes. Aytoi oi oikoi einai anejelegktoi kai den qa eprepe na einai etsi diamorfwmenh h katastash.

QEODWROPOYLOS: Mexri thn prohgoymenh ebdomada eixame ton tews ypoyrgo Oikonomikwn na apeilei ton ellhniko lao me stash plhrwmwn, an den chfistei to mesoproqesmo. Xqes, o k. Rompai eipe oti an den chfistei to mesoproqesmo, oysiastika den pairnei h Ellada thn 5h dosh. Poso kairo qa synexisei h ellhnikh kybernhsh mazi me thn E.E. na ekbiazei ton ellhniko lao gia na ypotaxqei sta sklhra metra;

MOSIALOS: H ellhnikh kybernhsh kanei o,ti einai dynaton gia na diasfalisei tis daneiakes anagkes ths xwras. Den exw akoysei, mexri stigmhs, kamia allh protash gia to pws mporoyme na broyme xrhmata, etsi wste na plhrwsoyme toys misqoys kai tis syntajeis toys epomenoys mhnes. Ayto to opoio exw akoysei, einai oti qa mporoyse ws mia lysh na htan h stash plhrwmwn. Emeis den yioqetoyme aytes tis apoceis. Qa prepei na yparxei xrhmatodotikh roh sthn ellhnikh oikonomia kai ayto, akribws, qa diasfalisoyme. Qa diasfalisoyme toys misqoys, tis syntajeis kai tis dapanes toy ellhnikoy dhmosioy ta epomena xronia.

QEODWROPOYLOS: Sygnwmh, alla apo ta daneia den pane xrhmata stoys misqoys kai stis syntajeis.

MOSIALOS: Apo ta daneia pane xrhmata kai stoys misqoys kai stis syntajeis.

QEODWROPOYLOS: O k. Saxinidhs exei dhlwsei epaneilhmmenws oti ta xrhmata ayta kateyqynontai sthn apoplhrwmh tokwn kai kefalaiwn... .

MOSIALOS: Oxi, den einai akribws etsi. An deite ton proypologismo toy ellhnikoy dhmosioy kai an deite ta elleimmata toy ellhnikoy dhmosioy, eixame ena elleimma th xronia poy mas perase, toy ycoys toy 10,5%. Ayto antistoixei se peripoy 24 dis eyrw. Apo ayta, ta 10 dis eyrw einai pleonazoysa dapanh. Dhladh, dapanoyme perissotera, ap` o,ti eisprattoyme. Einai para poly safhs h katastash. Ta ypoloipa einai tokoi. Akomh kai an den plhrwname toys tokoys, poy den mporoyme na to kanoyme, qa eprepe na yparxoyn dieqneis symfwnies kai diergasies, oi opoies ayth th stigmh den yparxoyn, qa xreiazomastan pali 10 dis eyrw mono gia na ejyphrethsoyme tis oikonomikes anagkes ths Ellhnikhs Dhmokratias, gia to 2011.

MPEKA: Kyrie Ekproswpe, o k. Benizelos exei pei oti to mesoproqesmo xreiazetai 180 chfoys gia na perasei. H kybernhsh, meres twra, leei oti arkei h aplh pleiochfia. To erwthma einai to ejhs: Milate gia thn aplh pleiochfia toy synoloy twn boyleytwn, dhladh 151 h milate epi thn pleiochfia twn parontwn boyleytwn, poy an apoysiasoyn apo ena ews kai ola ta kommata ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs apo thn chfoforia, ayto shmainei egkrish toy mesoproqesmoy me 75 ews 128 chfoys;

MOSIALOS: Oxi, se kamia periptwsh. Sas diakoptw giati den yparxei tetoio senario kai kamia tetoia periptwsh.

MPEKA: Afhste me ligo na oloklhrwsw, parakalw: Qa desmeysete to mellon ths Elladas me tetoies meqodeyseis; Sas rwtaw giati hdh to LAOS exei pei oti den qa parei meros s` ayth th diadikasia.

MOSIALOS: To mesoproqesmo qa egkriqei apo thn Koinoboyleytikh Omada toy PA.SO.K., h opoia exei dhlwsei kata th diarkeia ths koinoboyleytikhs diadikasias oti qa to chfisei. Emeis eyxomaste kai alla kommata na deijoyn to aparaithto qarros kai na synainesoyn s` ayth th diadikasia. Qa to chfisoyn oi 155 boyleytes toy PA.SO.K., meta apo eyreia syzhthsh kai afoy h kybernhsh parei ypoch ths tis apoceis toys. Etsi opws, ejalloy, kanoyme. Stis koinoboyleytikes diadikasies akoyme toys boyleytes mas kai kanoyme tis synqeseis kai tis beltiwseis poy xreiazontai. Se kamia periptwsh, omws, den prokeitai na yparxei chfish enos mesoproqesmoy programmatos me tis diadikasies tis opoies ypodeijate apo 70 h 80 boyleytes.

MPEKA: Ara den yioqeteite kai th stash Benizeloy.

MOSIALOS: Oxi, ayto poy qesate einai ena diaforetiko erwthma. Sto telos qesate ena erwthma, an 70 h 80 boyleytes qa chfisoyn ena mesoproqesmo programma. Se kamia periptwsh den prokeitai na symbei ayto. Ean synebaine ayto, qa htan ektroph. Kai dhlwnw kathgorhmatika, oti ayto den prokeitai na symbei.

MPEKA: Nai, milame gia thn periptwsh poy apoysiazoyn oi boyleytes ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs.

MOSIALOS: Se periptwsh poy apoysiasoyn oi boyleytes ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs, qa einai sthn koinoboyleytikh diadikasia oi 155 boyleytes toy PA.SO.K. kai aytoi synistoyn thn pleiochfia twn boyleytwn toy Ellhnikoy Koinoboylioy. Kai epanalambanw, akoyme toys boyleytes mas, akoyme tis apoceis toys, synqetoyme aytes tis apoceis kai exoyme kai beltiwseis kiolas, kata th diarkeia ths koinoboyleytikhs diadikasias, tis opoies qa anakoinwsei o ypoyrgos Oikonomikwn. Oson afora thn arxikh topoqethsh toy ypoyrgoy Oikonomikwn kai antiproedroy ths kybernhsews, peri ths diadikasias oti qa eprepe na yparxei eyryterh synainesh 180 chfwn, ayth h qesh mas proyphrxe ths protashs mas pros th N.D., gia na yparxei mia kybernhsh eqnikhs enothtas. Ayth aperrifqh apo th N.D. Dystyxws, den egine dekth. Ayto to opoio epidiwkoyme emeis, einai na synexisoyme na exoyme ena synainetiko klima me to komma ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs. Ayto den shmainei oti apaitoyme apo to komma ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs na chfisei to mesoproqesmo programma.

MARAQIAS: Hqela na rwthsw, yparxei aithma apo thn pleyra ths GENOP-DEH gia na synexistei h epixorhghsh sto syndikato;

MOSIALOS: An yparxei kapoio tetoio aithma, qa yparxei stis anakoinwseis poy ekanan. Dhlwnw kathgorhmatika oti den tiqetai tetoio qema.

MARAQIAS: Den tiqetai kai gia to 2011;

MOSIALOS: Den tiqetai qema epipleon epixorhghshs twn asfalistikwn tameiwn ths DEH, peran apo tis ypoxrewseis poy hdh exei analabei to ellhniko dhmosio. Kamia epipleon epixorhghsh.

ZAFEIRIADOY: Kyrie Ekproswpe, diapistwnei h kybernhsh mia ypokinhsh apo thn pleyra ths N.D., apostratwn ajiwmatikwn, prokeimenoy na thn antikroysei, an xreiastei; Kai ti, akribws, shmainei to rhma ``antikroyw'' thn kybernhsh;

MOSIALOS: Ekane sxetikes dhlwseis o ypoyrgos Amynas k. Mpegliths. Sas parapempw s` aytes tis dhlwseis, oi opoies htan ejairetika safeis. Xreiazetai cyxraimia ayth thn periodo. Ayto mono mporw na pw kai ayto eipe kai o k. Mpegliths.

GARGALAKOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, exw dyo erwthseis, an moy epitrepete. H prwth erwthsh: 'Exw edw mazecei merika dhmosieymata, opoy sxedon para polles efhmerides kai eidika oi germanikes efhmerides ta exoyn balei me ton k. Samara. Blepw edw, se mia germanikh efhmerida toy Monaxoy ``o kerdoskopos ths katarreyshs'', ton apokalei. Blepw sth germanikh ekdosh twn  FINANCIAL TIMES ``o arnhths''. Mhpws telika yparxei kanenas makrys daktylos ths kybernhshs pisw apo olh ayth thn istoria;

MOSIALOS: Se kamia periptwsh, to dhlwnw kathgorhmatika. Kai epishs, dhlwnw kathgorhmatika oti den epikrotoyme ayta ta dhmosieymata. Den epikrotoyme dhmosieymata enantion Ellhnwn politikwn, opoies ki an einai oi apoceis toys kai idiaitera dhmosieymata enantion toy arxhgoy ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs.

GARGALAKOS: H deyterh erwthsh moy, kyrie Ypoyrge: Yparxei mia afisa ths DAKE poy kykloforei kai malista exei ena synqhma poy to elege o makariths o Andreas o Papandreoy ``H Ellada anhkei stoys 'Ellhnes''. 'Exete kapoio sxolio gi' ayto;

MOSIALOS: Kalio arga, para pote, ayto lew sth DAKE.

SIDERHS: Xqes kai shmera exete epaneilhmmena xrhsimopoihsei th frash ``ayto qelei o ellhnikos laos''. Ti einai ekeino poy sas kaqista kai me poio ergaleio kaqistasqe ayqentikos ermhneyths ths qelhshs toy ellhnikoy laoy;

MOSIALOS: Den eimai ayqentikos ermhneyths ths qelhshs toy ellhnikoy laoy, kyrie Siderh, gia ola ta qemata. Anaferomai sta oikonomika zhthmata. Pisteyete oti o ellhnikos laos den qelei oikonomikh staqerothta; Sthn oikonomikh staqerothta anaferomai, oxi sthn egkrish toy synolikoy eyroys ths politikhs toy PASOK.

MIXAHL: Shmera, sta Skopia, bazoyn sthn kentrikh toys plateia ena agalma toy Megaloy Alejandroy, synexizontas thn proklhtikh taktikh poy exoyn akoloyqhsei. Poia einai h apanthsh ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs;

MOSIALOS: 'Exei bgalei anakoinwsh to ypoyrgeio twn Ejwterikwn kai sas parapempw sthn anakoinwsh toy ypoyrgeioy twn Ejwterikwn gi' ayto to qema.

KOYTRAS: Gia to qema ths GENOP se o,ti afora tis apergies, protiqetai h kybernhsh na kanei kati; Giati yparxoyn polloi epaggelmatikoi kladoi oi opoioi plhttontai.

MOSIALOS: Qa antimetwpisoyme to qema me bash thn ejelijh ayths ths apergias. Ayth th stigmh, den yparxoyn sobara problhmata.

PITTARAS: Qa hqela na rwthsw, poso wraio einai kai ws eikona kai ws diadikasia na ypoxrewnete twra toys syntajioyxoys mesa sto kalokairi na phgainoyn stis Trapezes gia na pairnoyn th syntajh toys kai na dhlwnoyn oysiastika oti einai en zwh, epeidh to kratos einai anikano na pistopoihsei se poioys dinei lefta kai syntajeis.

MOSIALOS: 'Htan h monh lysh poy qa mporoysame na eixame kanei twra, kaq' oti, opws gnwrizete, yparxoyn para polloi syntajioyxoi poy den einai en zwh kai gia poly megala xronika diasthmata - o k. Koytroymanhs exei dwsei ayta ta stoixeia me poly analytiko tropo kai sas parapempw sto ypoyrgeio Ergasias kai Koinwnikwn Asfalisewn gia na parete ayta ta stoixeia- epairnan aytes tis syntajeis kapoioi mh dikaioyxoi kai oxi oi syntajioyxoi. Syntoma, omws, qa dhmioyrghsoyme ena eniaio systhma syntajewn kai plhrwmwn gia tis syntajeis, etsi wste na apofeyxqei ayth h talaipwria. Prepei omws oloi na katanohsoyme oti yparxei megalh diafygh poswn ston tomea ayto. Ti qa eprepe na kanoyme; Den qa eprepe na broyme mia lysh kai na antimetwpisoyme ayth thn katastash kai qa eprepe na synexisoyme na plhrwnoyme syntajeis se syntajioyxoys poy den yparxoyn; Brhkame ayth th lysh. Einai proswrino to metro, to tonizw ayto. Qa doqoyn oristikes lyseis para poly syntoma, etsi wste na apofeyxqei h talaipwria twn syntajioyxwn.

ZAFEIRIADOY: Kyrie Ekproswpe, epi ths diadikasias: Yparxei kapoia ejelijh oson afora sto pote prepei na perimenoyme ta Proedrika Diatagmata poy qa dwsoyn armodiothtes stoys ypoyrgoys, twn opoiwn ta ypoyrgeia den exoyn akomh systaqei;

MOSIALOS: Poly syntoma. Anamenoyme mexri to telos ayths ths ebdomadas na exoyn bgei ta Proedrika Diatagmata. Den qa yparxoyn kaqysterhseis.

MPEKA: Kyrie Ekproswpe, xqes sas egine mia erwthsh sxetika me tis fwnes twn aganaktismenwn sthn plateia kai kata poson tis akoyte. Qa epanelqw s' ayth thn erwthsh kai qa sas pw: Kata poson lambanete sobara th fwnh twn aganaktismenwn poy lene ``oxi'' sto mesoproqesmo; Lambanete sobara thn teleytaia dhmoskophsh poy ekane o radiofwnikos staqmos  REAL FM , epibebaiwnontas oti eiste mia isxnh pleiochfia me pososto katw toy 20% ;

MOSIALOS: Qelw na sas pw oti oi dhmoskophseis apotypwnoyn taseis. Kai s' ayth th fash apotypwnoyn mia tash opoy h kybernhsh brisketai se mia krisimh strofh, alla kai h idia h ellhnikh koinwnia brisketai se mia krisimh strofh. Eimaste sta mesa mias diadikasias ylopoihshs toy megalyteroy metarryqmistikoy programmatos kai ths megalyterhs oikonomikhs anasygkrothshs poy egine pote sthn Ellhnikh Dhmokratia. Den mporoyme, omws, na kanoyme politikh me bash tis dhmoskophseis. Profanws kai akoyme ta aithmata twn Ellhnwn politwn kai profanws ta lambanoyme yp' ocin sth diamorfwsh ths kybernhtikhs politikhs.

MPEKA: Den emeina ikanopoihmenh apo to prwto skelos ths erwthshs, kata poson akoyte sobara th fwnh twn aganaktismenwn. Deixnete oti exete mia sygkekrimenh politikh thn opoia akoloyqeite, xwris na parakamptete tis arxes sas. Omws, o laos kai o kosmos gia na katebainei stis plateies, shmainei oti qelei alla pragmata. Ayth einai h erwthsh moy kai pali: Kata poson akoyte sobara th fwnh twn aganaktismenwn; Blepoyme toys Spartiates na erxontai apo th Sparth, 225 xiliometra, me ta podia. Ayto nomizw oti einai kati, as poyme ayth h qysia toys shmainei kapoia antidrash pros thn politikh poy akoloyqeite.

MOSIALOS: Qa hqela na sas pw para poly kathgorhmatika oti ean den diasfalisoyme thn 5h dosh toy daneioy, thn oikonomikh staqerothta sth xwra mas, to opoio shmainei epektash twn anagkwn poy exei to ellhniko dhmosio -einai gnwsto oti qa xreiastoyme peraiterw xrhmata, oxi mono thn 5h dosh toy daneioy, kaq' oti den einai dynaton na bgoyme stis agores mexri to 2012, ayto exei anagnwristei kai apo toys daneistes mas- ean den kanoyme loipon ta aparaithta gia na broyme ena synoliko plaisio epilyshs toy ellhnikoy xreoys, tote den qa yparxoyn peraiterw dynatothtes sthn ellhnikh oikonomia. Kai h stash eyqynhs einai prwta na diasfalisoyme thn oikonomikh staqerothta, na diasfalisoyme tis anagkes ths meshs ellhnikhs oikogeneias kai parallhla na akoyme ta aithmata kai ta parapona twn Ellhnwn politwn. Sthn kateyqynsh ayth o Prwqypoyrgos anakoinwse kai th diadikasia syzhthshs gia dhmochfisma me mia eyrythta qematwn, ta opoia qa teqoyn se anoikth diaboyleysh.

QEODWROPOYLOS: Qa hqela na ypobalw dyo erwthseis. H mia einai to dhmochfisma. Na arxisw omws me thn apanthsh poy dwsate prohgoymenws: Thn oikonomikh staqerothta thn ejasfalizete kobontas misqoys kai syntajeis, epiballontas kainoyrgioys foroys enantion toy ellhnikoy laoy; 'Etsi qa ejasfalistei h oikonomikh staqerothta;

MOSIALOS: Ayto to opoio htan enantion toy ellhnikoy laoy kai qa hqela na to tonisw ayto, htan to terastio xreos toy 130% toy AEP kai to terastio elleimma toy 15,5% toy AEP. Ayto htan atomikh bomba sta qemelia ths Ellhnikhs Dhmokratias kai ths oikonomikhs zwhs toy topoy. An mporei kaneis na moy ejhghsei to pws qa mporoysame na synexisoyme na plhrwnoyme toys misqoys kai tis syntajeis, enw eisprattoyme poly ligotera ap' ayta poy plhrwnoyme, an kapoios mporoyse na lysei ayto to dysepilyto oikonomiko problhma, tote ki emeis qa allazame oikonomikh politikh. Einai aytonohto ayto to pragma. Kaneis, omws, mexri stigmhs, den exei dwsei lysh sta terastia problhmata toy xreoys kai twn elleimmatwn, pera ap' aytes tis proseggiseis kai lyseis poy me poly megalo politiko kostos epidiwkei ayth h kybernhsh. Ta ypoloipa einai fantasiakes sxeseis me thn koinwnia, fantasiakes sxeseis me thn politikh. Den eimaste monoi mas s' ayto ton planhth. Eimaste ejartwmenoi s' ena dieqnes oikonomiko systhma. Kai kalws h kakws, h ellhnikh oikonomia den paragei ayth th stigmh. 'Exoyme 15 dis peripoy ejagwges kai 45 dis eisagwges. Epanalambanw: 'Exoyme ena terastio xreos kai ena terastio elleimma kai ayth einai h pragmatikothta. 'Osoi den qeloyn na th blepoyn ayth thn pragmatikothta, mporoyn na ftiaxnoyn fantasiakes sxeseis kai me thn oikonomia kai me thn politikh kai me tis protaseis toys.

QEODWROPOYLOS: Pantws, me thn politikh sas kai h anaptyjh meiwnetai kai to xreos megeqynetai.

MOSIALOS: To xreos - kai qa sas apanthsw pali s' ayto- einai para poly aplo: Otan to elleimma einai 15,5% kai peftei sto 10,5%, ayto einai mia terastia epityxia, alla paramenei 10,5% to elleimma, synexizei na einai megalo. To 10,5% toy elleimmatos poy paramenei, prostiqetai sto xreos. Kai gi' ayto, einai epitaktikh h anagkh gia thn ellhnikh kybernhsh na mhdenisei ayto to elleimma se syntomo xroniko diasthma, ta epomena 3-4 xronia, giati to enapomeinan elleimma qa prostiqetai panw sto xreos. Ayta einai apla maqhmatika.

MARAQIAS: Prin eipate oti den mporoyme na bgoyme stis agores. 'Hqela na rwthsw telika, poios ftaiei gia to gegonos ayto; H troika me th syntagh ths; To prohgoymeno oikonomiko epiteleio h synolika h kybernhsh poy den akoloyqhse pista thn efarmogh ayths ths syntaghs; Telika exoyme kapoio symperasma kai kapoia aytokritikh gia poio logo den petyxame ton stoxo kai ara den bgainoyme stis agores to 2012;

MOSIALOS: Gia thn ejodo stis agores to 2012, htan oi ektimhseis twn daneistwn mas oti qa eprepe na bgoyme stis agores to 2012. To eipe kai o Prwqypoyrgos sthn prwtomilia toy sth Boylh kai htan ejairetika safhs. Den htan ektimhseis ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs. Ayta yphrxan stis anakoinwseis poy ekanan oti qa eprepe na bgoyme stis agores to 2012.

Opws ejhghsa omws prohgoymenws, mesa s' ena dieqnes systhma agorwn, polles fores, to ti kanoyn oi agores ephreazetai - egine sxetikh erwthsh prin- apo toys dieqneis aytoys oikoys ajiologhshs, oi opoioi profanws den blepoyn ws qetiko gegonos akoma kai ayth thn terastia epityxia ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs na meiwsei to elleimma kata 5%. Den exei meiwqei poyqena alloy mesa s' ena xrono to elleimma kata 5% toy AEP. Kai para tayta, oi anejelegktoi oikoi ajiologhshs synexizoyn na exoyn mia arnhtikh stash apenanti sthn Ellada. Ayto, omws, den mporoyme na to antimetwpisoyme elleicei qesmikoy plaisioy se pagkosmio epipedo. Den einai dikh mas eyqynh. Den einai o dikos mas rolos. Kanonika, meta apo mia tetoia megalh epityxia, qa eprepe na eixan anoijei oi agores.

KOYTRAS: Epeidh anaferate to paradeigma twn problecewn ths troikas, telos pantwn, kai epeidh h ellhnikh kybernhsh, poly syxna, anaferetai s' ayth th meiwsh toy elleimmatos kata 5 monades perysi, fetos exete eikona gia ton Proypologismo, o opoios exei pesei ejw; Profanws oi oikoi thn exoyn.

MOSIALOS: 'Exoyme poly megalh eikona gia ton Proypologismo, o opoios ypoleipetai mexri stigmhs to prwto pentamhno -kai eimaste para poly eilikrineis, den prokeitai na krycw ta stoixeia- kata 0,4% toy AEP.

KOYTRAS: Dyo dis peripoy.

MOSIALOS: 0,4% toy AEP, einai h ektimhsh poy kanei to ypoyrgeio twn Oikonomikwn kai qa kanei kai sxetikes anakoinwseis shmera sthn omilia toy sth Boylh o k. Saxinidhs.

Epitrecte moy, omws, na qesw to qema ligo eyrytera kai qa sas dwsw kapoia stoixeia, giati einai poly shmantiko na doyme to plaisio ths syzhthshs, thn opoia diejagoyme. Qa prepei na mas krinete, se sxesh me th diaxronikh ajiopistia twn Proypologismwn, giati prepei panta na blepoyme ta sygkritika stoixeia kai malista th diaxronikh ajiopistia twn Proypologismwn mesa se synqhkes, opoy den yphrxe h dhmosionomikh krish, apo thn opoia dierxetai twra h xwra. Giati metajy toy 2005 kai toy 2009 den eixame ayta ta fainomena ths terastias yfeshs, ths dhmosionomikhs krishs kai ths sympieshs twn terastiwn elleimmatwn poy antimetwpizei ayth th stigmh h Ellhnikh Dhmokratia.

Loipon, emeis pesame ejw mexri stigmhs to prwto pentamhno kata 0,4%. Poia htan h ypeyqynh stash ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs; Na krycei ayto to elleimma, opws ginotan sto parelqon h na to pistopoihsei kai na parei metra antimetwpishs toy; Emeis to pistopoihsame, pairnoyme metra antimetwpishs toy, ta opoia perilambanontai ola sto mesoproqesmo programma. Einai kai ta 6,4 dis epiprosqeta metra poy anakoinwsame. Qa qelame na to kanoyme; Profanws kai den qelame na to kanoyme. Perimename na einai oi yfesiakes taseis sthn Ellada toso megales; Oyte ayto to perimename, alla to anagnwrizoyme kai pairnoyme epiprosqeta metra. Den to afhnoyme na kylisei xwris na to antimetwpizoyme.

Twra (s.s. exoyn dianemhqei ta stoixeia stoys dhmosiografoys) koitajte ta stoixeia ta opoia sas exw dwsei: - To 2005 poy oi oikonomikes synqhkes den exoyn kamia sxesh me tis shmerines, h apoklish toy Proypologismoy htan 4,7 dis. - To 2006 htan 6,6 dis. - To 2007 htan 9,1 dis. - To 2008 htan 19,4 dis kai - To 2009 poy htan o plhrhs ektroxiasmos ths xwras, 31 dis.

Sas kalw na sygkrinete ayta ta stoixeia me thn ektelesh toy dyskoloteroy Proypologismoy, stis dyskoloteres oikonomikes synqhkes poy antimetwpise pote h xwra.

Synepws, eimaste eilikrineis kai kanoyme o,ti einai dynaton gia na paroyme ta swsta metra, etsi wste na mhn yparxei dhmosionomikos ektroxiasmos.

SIDERHS: Syxna anaferesqe sto perifhmo elleimma 5% poy meiwsate. Egw oikonomologos den eimai, alla akoysa thn ka Papandreoy proxqes sthn Koinoboyleytikh Omada na leei ``den yparxei ayth h meiwsh, giati to kratos exei kanei stash plhrwmwn gyrw sta 8 me 10 dis, an eixe plhrwsei tis etaireies, toys ofeiletes toy, ayta ta xrhmata, den qa eixe meiwqei kaqoloy to elleimma''. To qewrhse eikoniko.

MOSIALOS: Ayth thn apoch den th gnwrizw, qa moy epitrecete na mhn th gnwrizw. Ayto to opoio omws gnwrizw, einai oi pistopoihseis poy exoyn kanei oloi oi dieqneis Organismoi kai kyriws h Statistikh Yphresia ths Eyrwpaikhs 'Enwshs. Ean amfisbhteite ta stoixeia ths Statistikhs Yphresias ths Eyrwpaikhs 'Enwshs, mporeite na ta amfisbhteite. H Ellhnikh Dhmokratia den ta amfisbhtei.

SIDERHS: H boyleyths sas to anefere, oxi egw.

MOSIALOS: Anaferomai sth Statistikh Yphresia twn 27 xwrwn ths Eyrwpaikhs 'Enwshs.

QEODWROPOYLOS: Epeidh anafereste sthn megalh apoklish toy proypologismoy to 2008 kai to 2009 kai ta dis poy ypoleipontai, profanws jexnate oti dwsate 28 dis stis trapezes. H kybernhsh ths N.D. ... .

MOSIALOS: ... Eggyhseis.

QEODWROPOYLOS: Dwsate eggyhseis kai reysto kai poy symfwnhse to PASOK.

MOSIALOS: Htan eggyhseis.

QEODWROPOYLOS: Kai reysto.

MOSIALOS: Eggyhseis.

MPEKA: Qelw na sxoliasete ayta poy elexqhsan xqes sth Boylh apo ton k. Shfoynakh, o opoios apeyqynomenos sta ena apo to pente dhmokratika kommata, milame gia to SYRIZA , milhse gia karfitsa, gia Xitler kai gia brwmiko 1989. Kyrie Ekproswpe, mhpws ta stelexh ths kybernhshs exoyn xasei ligo thn cyxraimia toys enanti twn ``Aganaktismenwn'';

MOSIALOS: Qewreite kat arxhn oti taytizetai o SYRIZA me toys ``Aganaktismenoys'';

MPEKA: Oxi. Symfwna me ta legomena toy k. Shfoynakh.

MOSIALOS: Sas rwtw, giati emeis den taytizoyme to SYRIZA me toys ``Aganaktismenoys'' . Qewroyme oti oi ``Aganaktismenoi'' den ypokinoyntai apo kapoio sygkekrimeno politiko komma h den taytizontai me kapoio sygkekrimeno politiko komma. Ayth einai h dikh mas qesh. Den taytizoyme toys ``Aganaktismenoys'' me sygkrimenes politikes apoceis. Akoyme me poly megalh prosoxh tis apoceis toys. Apo ekei kai pera h kybernhsh katadikazei th bia apo opoy kai an proerxetai kai ayto poy qa hqela na dhlwsw - kai den anaferomai stis dhlwseis toy k. Shfoynakh kai s` ayto eimai safhs kai kathgorhmatikos- oti katadikazoyme genikotera th bia. H bia den dhmioyrgei pedia synennohshs kai ekfrashs olwn twn dhmokratikwn apocewn. Ayth einai h oysia ths politikhs antiparaqeshs. Einai gnwstes oi apoceis moy genikotera gia to pws antiparatiqetai o politikos kosmos. Qa prepei na ginetai me metriopaqeia kai antallagh tekmhriwmenwn apocewn.

QEODWROPOYLOS: Mhpws me to dhmochfisma poy lete oti qa diejagete, epixeireite na aporrofhsete tis laikes antidraseis kai na apofygete thn katadikh ths oikonomikhs politikhs sas;

MOSIALOS: Aporrofhsh einai to na anoigeis mia eyrytath syzhthsh me ton ellhniko lao; Ayto einai baqytath dhmokratikh diadikasia kai ayto akribws kanoyme, antapokrinomenoi kai sta aithmata twn politwn na anoijei mia eyreia syzhthsh gia to politiko systhma, toys qesmoys, tis treis ejoysies - oxi mono thn Ektelestikh ejoysia, alla th Nomoqetikh kai th Dikastikh Ejoysia- alla kai synolikotera gia to rolo toy kratoys. Ayto zhtoyn kaqhmerina oi polites. Qeloyn ena kalytero kratos. Qeloyn ena leitoyrgikotero kai apotelesmatikotero politiko systhma, me mia safh diakrish ejoysiwn. Emeis antapokrinomaste sta gnhsia aithmata ths ellhnikhs koinwnias.

KOYTRAS: Gi` ayto to logo oi polites exoyn chfisei kybernhsh. H kybernhsh prepei na to kanei.

MOSIALOS: H kybernhsh kanei ayto poy prepei na kanei. Opws gnwrizete, meros ths syzhthshs kai oxi olh h syzhthsh proypoqetei kai syntagmatikh anaqewrhsh. Emeis ti kanoyme ayth th stigmh; Dieyrynoyme th syzhthsh en` ocei piqanhs syntagmatikhs anaqewrhshs kai kaloyme toys Ellhnes polites na symbaloyn me tis apoceis toys, me mia baqytath gnhsia dhmokratikh diadikasia, sth diamorfwsh twn politikwn prooptikwn ayths ths xwras. Einai mia baqytata dhmokratikh prajh kai diadikasia kai egw qa perimena na thn agkaliasei to synolo toy politikoy fasmatos kai twn Ellhnwn politwn. Den einai mia kleisth diadikasia. Den einai mia diadikasia poy thn kateyqynoyme emeis. Emeis anoigoyme th syzhthsh.

SEGKOS: Afoy einai mia baqytata dhmokratikh diadikasia kai endiafereste gia thn etymhgoria toy ellhnikoy laoy giati tote periorizete th syzhthsh mono sto politiko systhma kai den bazete sto dhmochfisma kai thn oikonomikh politikh poy akoloyqeite;

MOSIALOS: Perimenete na anoijei ayth h diadikasia. Qa katateqoyn protaseis apo pantoy kai emeis qa tis akoysoyme. Emeis anoijame th diadikasia me bash to politiko systhma. An akoystoyn diaforetikes protaseis, profanws kai qa tis akoysoyme.

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