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Dieyqynsh Plhroforhshs

Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Pempth, 2 Ioynioy 2011

Ariqmos Deltioy: 335514747

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KYBERNHTIKOS EKPROSWPOS

Aqhna, 2 Ioynioy 2011

GIWRGO PETALWTH

Kalo meshmeri.

Kaqhmerina doyleyoyme mesa se mia prwtofanh krish na apegklwbisoyme tis idiaitera ygieis dynameis ths koinwnias. Kai ontws yparxoyn polles tetoies dynameis ston xwro ths neolaias, ths ergasias, twn pneymatikwn anqrwpwn.

Ston xwro poy agwnioyn kai skeptontai kritika gia to mellon. Aytoi poy den ypotassontai se eykola synqhmata. Den ypotassontai se syntexniakh nootropia kai logikh, opws ginotan kata koron sto parelqon. Aytoi, poy antilambanontai thn ennoia ths eyqynhs kai thn ennoia ths syllogikhs drashs, thn krisimothta twn stigmwn kai diaqetoyn th nootropia ths proodeytikhs kai dhmioyrgikhs enallaktikhs protashs gia thn koinwnia mas.

Ayth h kybernhsh tolma. Tolma na pei thn plhrh alhqeia stoys polites gia to ti symbainei sth xwra, gia to pragmatiko diakybeyma. Tolma na erqei se rhjh me pagiwmenes nootropies, me idioteleies, mikropolitikes acimaxies, ideologika eyfyologhmata, agkylwseis toy parelqontos kai diaxwristikes grammes, opoy den xwroyn kai den prepei na xwroyn stigmes krishs, paromoies me aytes poy biwnei h xwra mas.

H kybernhsh, me eyqynh kai me synaisqhsh toy kaqhkontos apenanti sto koino mellon olwn twn politwn, proxwra s' ola ta aparaithta bhmata gia thn anatajh ths oikonomias kai thn anasygkrothsh ths xwras, poy odhgoyn sthn oristikh swthria kai thn perixarakwsh ths dynamikhs kai twn sygkritikwn pleonekthmatwn ths.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

SIDERHS: Eipate ``h kybernhsh tolma na pei thn alhqeia stoys polites''. Ayth thn alhqeia giati den tolma na thn pei stoys boyleytes ths kai mazeyoyn ypografes, prokeimenoy na sygklhqoyn ta organa, h Koinoboyleytikh Omada kai na ejhghqei ti den phge kala kai giati den phge kala;

PETALWTHS: Poios to eipe oti den tolma na to kanei ayto; Emeis exoyme programmatisei na kleisei to mesoproqesmo ws diapragmateysh. Na sygklhqoyn ta organa. Den to leme shmera, oyte xqes, to leme edw kai kairo. Kai fysika oi koinoboyleytikes omades poy exoyn ginei kai poy exoyn milhsei oi boyleytes, einai pragmatikothta. Oi koinoboyleytikoi tomeis ergasias toy PASOK -poy panta eseis oi dhmosiografoi deixnete ena idiaitero endiaferon- exoyn apodeijei oti einai oi pio zwntanoi, dhmioyrgikoi kai dynamikoi koinoboyleytikoi tomeis. Pote den krycame to ti ginetai stoys koinoboyleytikoys tomeis. Pantote eixame kai exoyme boyleytes oi opoioi tolmoyn kai ypoyrgoys oi opoioi phgainoyn kai anametrwntai me thn idia thn politikh toys. Ejhgoyn me ton kalytero tropo tis prajeis toys kai fysika to programma ths kybernhshs. 'Osa tolmhse ayth h kybernhsh mexri twra, den exei tolmhsei kamia kybernhsh sto parelqon. Kai tolmame na synexizoyme na paleyoyme gia to mellon ths xwras. Tolmame kai ta laqh mas na entopizoyme, kaqws kai tis paraleiceis kai tis kaqysterhseis mas. Alla edw, jerete, pera apo tis qewrhtikes syzhthseis, yparxei ena mellon to opoio ofeiloyme oloi kai kyriws h kybernhsh kai to PASOK na to katoxyrwsei, na to diasfalisei, pera apo opoiesdhpote qewrhtikes anazhthseis. Oi boyleytes agwnioyn. Oi boyleytes einai aytoi poy dinoyn to ojygono sthn politikh zwh kai thn diaforetikh antilhch opoy yparxei. Kai gi' ayto akribws den yparxei oyte fobos oyte atolmia.

SIDERHS: Tote, pws krinete th syllogh ypografwn;

PETALWTHS: H syllogh ypografwn... Prwta ap' ola, ap' oso eimai enhmerwmenos mexri twra, den exei katateqei kanena keimeno. Ean yparxei keimeno, qa to doyme. Pantws, ayto poy exw na pw einai oti yparxei mia pragmatikothta. Kai h pragmatikothta leei oti emeis ejhgoyme me ton kalytero tropo ti ginetai. Oi boyleytes synapofasizoyn mesa apo toys koinoboyleytikoys tomeis ergasias, oi opoioi einai polloi kai synedriazoyn poly syxna. 'Alles kybernhseis den tolmoysan na to dianohqoyn ayto. Kai yparxei plhrhs symmetoxh se o,ti ginetai.

XIDIROGLOY: Milate gia thn prospaqeia sas gia thn katoxyrwsh toy mellontos. Omws, den fainetai na peiqete thn koinwnia. Blepoyme synexws na klimakwnontai oi ekdhlwseis diamartyrias. Eidame, xqes, pali problhmata sthn Kerkyra. Poy akribws estiazete eseis to problhma; Giati blepoyme, epanalambanw, tis ekdhlwseis diamartyrias na klimakwnontai.

PETALWTHS: Qa moy peite, ligo, ti problhmata eidate sthn Kerkyra;

XIDIROGLOY: Apodokimasiwn.

PETALWTHS: Gnwrizetai ti akribws egine ;

XIDIROGLOY: An exete thn kalosynh na mas peite...

PETALWTHS: Eseis oi dhmosiografoi, me to reportaz poy kanete , nomizw oti ta gnwrizete kalytera. To na anaferoyme thn Kerkyra, ws enan tropo antidrashs twn politwn, nomizw oti ayto einai atyxes. 'Oson afora sthn agwnia kai sthn anhsyxia twn ``aganaktismenwn'' - me thn kainoyrgia ennoia pleon toy oroy- sympolitwn mas, exoyme ekfrasei kata koron tis apoceis mas. Alla, den qa mas ypoxrewsei kaneis na stamathsoyme na bgainoyme, na stamathsoyme na yparxoyme ws koinoboyleytiko systhma. Ektos ean kapoioi qeloyn na allajei to koinoboyleytiko systhma, alla na bgoyn eyqarsws na to poyn. Kai fysika, ayto poy egine sthn Kerkyra, na synedriazei mia Epitroph Ellhnwn boyleytwn, me Eyrwpaioys boyleytes melh ths Epitrophs Metanasteyshs, poy shmainei anqrwpina dikaiwmata kai na petroboloyntai Eyrwpaioi boyleytes, nomizw oti ayto kaqe allo para aplh ekfrash ths agwnias kai ths anhsyxias twn politwn einai. Edw, na jekaqarisoyme oti ejelissetai pleon ena allo ``paixnidi''. Thn agwnia aytwn twn sympolitwn mas, oi opoioi ekfrazontai me ton eirhniko ayto tropo, opws ej alloy se olh thn Eyrwph, kapoioi prospaqoyn na thn strecoyn alloy. Kai gi' ayto, h prwth antidrash sto politiko systhma arxise na entopizetai kai na stoxopoieitai perissotero h kybernhsh. Jexasan to politiko systhma. Gi' ayto exoyme kai sygkekrimenes antidraseis -oi opoies kaqe allo para hremes kai hsyxes einai- kapoiwn, oi opoioi profanws den qeloyn na yparxei kai na leitoyrgei to koinoboyleytiko systhma, opws eidame, dystyxws, proxqes ejw apo th Boylh. Xqes, sthn Kerkyra na petroboloyntai Eyrwpaioi boyleytes, oi opoioi syzhtoysan qemata metanasteyshs kai anqrwpinwn dikaiwmatwn, me opoia eikona exei kykloforhsei shmera se olh thn Eyrwph kai ston kosmo. 'Ara, qa prepei syllhbdhn thn antimetwpish kapoiwn akraiwn stoixeiwn -poy briskoyn eykairia na pareisfrysoyn kai na ``xaroyn'' mesa s' ayth thn agwnia kai thn ekfrash, poy einai ontws akraia stoixeia kai gnwrizoyme poly kala poia einai- den nomizw oti qa prepei na thn eklaboyme ws agwnia kai anhsyxia, opws egine xqes sthn Kerkyra. Edw yparxoyn qesmoqethmenes morfes. Yparxoyn morfes poy exoyn deijei kai s' ayta ta kommata, ta opoia eixan synhqisei na dhmioyrgoyn akraies antidraseis mexri twra, oti yparxei eirhnikos tropos ekfrashs ths agwnias, ths anhsyxias, poy einai poly pio apotelesmatikos apo polla alla stoixeia, ta opoia blepame mexri twra. Alla den exoyme dikaiwma -antiqetws, exoyme ypoxrewsh oloi mas, h kybernhsh, oi polites, na kataggelloyme, opws kanw egw ayth th stigmh, tetoioy eidoys antidraseis- na petroboloyme Eyrwpaioys boyleytes, poy den eixan kamia sxesh me thn troika, poy den eixan kamia sxesh me to xreos kai ta elleimmata mas. Oi anqrwpoi poy hrqan gia na syzhthsoyn th metanasteytikh politikh kai ta anqrwpina dikaiwmata, na petroboloyntai kai oysiastika na ginontai omhroi sthn Kerkyra, se mia epoxh bebaia poy xreiazomaste kai thn probolh ths xwras mas kai ton toyrismo mas.

MOYRELATOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, na epanelqw sthn erwthsh toy k. Siderh, epeidh to reportaz leei oti mallon to sygkekrimeno keimeno exei fqasei sto Megaro Majimoy kai ypografetai apo 15 boyleytes ths sympoliteyshs, na rwthsw, pws ajiologei h kybernhsh mia tetoia kinhsh, se ayth th xronikh sygkyria; Dhladh, stis paramones oysiastika ths paroysiashs toy mesoproqesmoy kai ths sygklishs twn organwn kai an meta apo ayto h kybernhsh skeftetai na qesei qema kommatikhs peiqarxias sth sxetikh chfoforia gia to mesoproqesmo;

PETALWTHS: Apanthsa prohgoymenws. Den gnwrizw ti leei to reportaz sas. Egw, mexri prin erqw sthn aiqoysa ths enhmerwshs, den yphrxe katateqeimeno kanena tetoio keimeno. En pash periptwsei, h apanthsh moy einai h idia poy edwsa kai sto synadelfo sas: Emeis eimaste to komma poy exei qesmoqethsei tis anoixtes diadikasies gia toys polites, poso mallon gia toys boyleytes mas. Oi boyleytes mas exoyn katoxyrwsei thn ekfrash ths apochs toys. Ta bhmata poy toys exoyn doqei kai toys dinontai - ennoeitai kai qesmoqethmena- einai para polla. Mporoyn na lene tis apoceis toys kai exoyn dikaiwma na plhroforoyntai. Fysika, den prokeitai na proxwrhsei kati, ean den yparxei kai h chfish apo toys boyleytes, oi opoioi einai kai oi telikoi krites twn nomoqethmatwn. Ayto einai jekaqaro. Alla, epanalambanw oti s` ayth th fash, pera apo tis qewrhtikes anazhthseis kai syzhthseis, exoyme ypoxrewsh gia to mellon ths xwras mas, na mporesoyme na pame mprosta, na mporesoyme na katartisoyme kai na apofasisoyme ena sxedio, epiteloys, gia th xwra mas poy qa mas paei mexri to 2015 kai oles oi prospaqeies ths kybernhshs entassontai s` ayto to plaisio.

MOYRELATOS: Kommatikh peiqarxia, kyrie Petalwth;

PETALWTHS: Ta exoyme pei polles fores. Epanalambanw oti ta pragmata einai poly sobara. Oi boyleytes exoyn synaisqhsh toy kaqhkontos toys. Den kanoyme tipota erhmhn twn boyleytwn. Yparxei mia isxyrh kai poly dynamikh Koinoboyleytikh Omada, h opoia syndiamorfwnei mazi me thn kybernhsh tis apofaseis poy lambanoyme gia th xwra kai h opoia pragmatika, exei deijei oti antexei polloys kradasmoys kai mporei na isorrophsei sthn ekfrash ths koinwnias kai twn politwn kai sthn ypeyqynothta poy prepei na deixnoyme. Ayto oi boyleytes mas to exoyn apodeijei kata koron.

KOYTRAS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, exete apofasisei pws qa chfistei to mesoproqesmo. Giati, symfwna me plhrofories, s` ayto to keimeno to opoio ontws den to jerete akoma, oi plhrofories poy exoyme einai oti oi boyleytes zhtoyn na mhn erqei ws mono arqro to mesoproqesmo.

PETALWTHS: As doyme prwta to keimeno, as doyme tis ypografes twn boyleytwn...

KOYTRAS: Ektos toy keimenoy.

PETALWTHS: ... Apo ekei kai pera, qa milame kai gia pragmatikes ypoqeseis kai gia senaria. Emeis, ayto poy exoyme anaferei, einai oti yparxei sygkekrimenh diadikasia, me thn opoia qa prepei na chfistei to sygkekrimeno nomoqethma kai h diadikasia ayth prosidiazei me th diadikasia toy proypologismoy.

MPEKA: Kyrie Ekproswpe, pws sxoliazete ayta poy eipe xqes o boyleyths Arkadias, Odysseas Kwnstantinopoylos sto radiofwniko staqmo SKAI, apokalwntas kapoioys boyleytes san prigkipes kai kapoioys alloys san lagoys, yponowntas ws prigkipa ton ypoyrgo Oikonomikwn Giwrgo Papakwnstantino kai ws lago ton ypoyrgo Ejwterikwn Dhmhtrh Droytsa.

PETALWTHS: Boyleytes poy na apokaloyn toys alloys boyleytes ``prigkipes''; Ennoeitai oti den sxoliazw kamia dhlwsh kanenos boyleyth. Gnwrizoyme oloi, poly kala, thn eyqynh poy exoyme s` ayto poy kanoyme kai oi boyleytes kai oi ypoyrgoi. Makari oso doyleyan oloi oi ypoyrgoi kai oi boyleytes ayths ths kybernhshs, na doyleyan kai oi ypoyrgoi toy parelqontos.

MPEKA: An chfistei to mesoproqesmo, kat` arqron, to kaqe arqro profanws qa einai ena nomosxedio, to opoio allo qa milaei gia apolyseis, allo gia apokratikopoihseis. Se periptwsh poy ena arqro katachfistei apo toys boyleytes, h an den perasei apo th Boylh, o Prwqypoyrgos qa paraithqei; Giati kapoia stigmh, eixe pei oti an chfistei apo enan ligotero apo toys 153, tote o idios qa paraithqei. Einai mia palia ypoqesh ayto.

PETALWTHS: Ayto poy exw anaferei, einai oti qa akoloyqhqei h diadikasia poy problepei o Kanonismos ths Boylhs. H diadikasia ayth einai poly sygkekrimenh. Anefera kai prohgoymenws oti prosidiazei me ayth toy proypologismoy. Ara, ola ta alla einai senaria.

MIXAHL: Epwnymoi panepisthmiakoi synetajan ena keimeno, kalwntas thn kybernhsh na tolmhsei gia na proxwrhsei amesa sthn efarmogh toy programmatos ths kai na mhn kwlysiergei. Symmerizeste aytes tis apoceis kai o,ti alles parathrhseis exoyn;

PETALWTHS: Den gnwrizw to sygkekrimeno keimeno. Einai alhqeia oti emeis ayto poy prospaqoyme na kanoyme ws kybernhsh - kai ayth thn entolh exoyme apo ton ellhniko lao, giati exoyme sygkekrimeno stoxo- einai na efarmosoyme ena oloklhrwmeno programma, to opoio qa mas bgazei apo thn krish. Epanalambanw, oti ola ta alla einai qewrhtikes kataskeyes kai anazhthseis poy kapoioi tis skefthkan arga. Exoyme ena sygkekrimeno stoxo kai ayto to stoxo mporoyme na ton syzhthsoyme ws pros thn taxythta toy, ws pros thn oligwria, ws pros tis kaqysterhseis h mh kaqysterhseis. Pantws, o stoxos mas einai ekei. Periqwria beltiwshs yparxoyn. Ayto prospaqoyme na kanoyme kai malista me tis pleon antijoes synqhkes.

MARAQIAS: Kati sxetiko kai ep` aytoy poy leme. H kybernhsh aisqanetai thn anagkh na kanei mia aytokritikh gia to oti epi ena xrono, oysiastika, den efarmose swsta to mnhmonio, me apotelesma na odhgoymaste se neo daneio, neo mnhmonio kai profanws se adiejodo poy den eixan ypologisei sthn arxh h kybernhsh kai oi ypoyrgoi ean doyleyan swsta;

PETALWTHS: Epaneilhmmenws exw anaferei oti kapoioi qewroyn pws exoyme apotyxei, oti exei apotyxei to mnhmonio kai ayto prospaqoyn na to perasoyn ws bash mias synolikhs syzhthshs. Ayto, kat` emas, den isxyei. Epishs, epaneilhmmenws exw anaferei giati den apetyxe to mnhmonio. Prwta ap` ola, an eixe apotyxei, den qa fqaname ena xrono meta thn efarmogh toy mnhmonioy na eimaste orqioi, na eimaste edw kai na syzhtame gia epektash kai proektash ths politikhs mas. Yparxoyn sygkekrimenes epityxies poy kostologoyntai kai metroyntai. Exoyme metrhsima apotelesmata, opws oti to elleimma mas meiwqhke kata 5 posostiaies monades, kati poy den exei ginei pote ma pote sthn Eyrwph. Na sas ypenqymisw th dhlwsh toy k. Ban Rompai poy eipe oti ws ypoyrgos Oikonomikwn mesa se eji xronia katebase to elleimma ths xwras toy, kata 6 monades. Kai emeis oi Ellhnes katebasame to elleimma mas kata 5 monades, mesa se ena molis xrono. Ayto shmainei oti egine mia terastia prospaqeia, h opoia exei kai sygkekrimena apotelesmata. To oti pleon leme - metrhsima omws, oxi ws qewria- oti h yfesh arxise na rhxainei kai oti pame pros qetikoys ryqmoys anaptyjhs, einai kati to opoio metrietai kai einai apotelesma ayths ths politikhs. Exoyme pleon megalh ayjhsh twn ejagwgwn kai meiwsh twn eisagwgwn, poy shmainei oti to isozygio eisagwgwn kai ejagwgwn einai pleon diaforetiko. Ola ayta einai to apotelesma mias poly megalhs prospaqeias. Qa mporoysa na sas anaferw kai alla. Akribws, ola ayta einai poy deixnoyn oti to mnhmonio htan aparaithto na yparjei -oytws h allws, kai ta 110 dis htan akrws aparaithta- kai o sxediasmos kai h efarmogh toy exoyn petyxei. Apo ekei kai pera, otan zoyme se ena toso reysto periballon, toso se eqniko, oso kyriws se eyrwpaiko epipedo, an yparxoyn kaqysterhseis, an yparxoyn elleimmata poy pragmatika den exoyme ekplhrwsei mexri twra, yparxoyn polla periqwria. Alla, pantote na gnwrizoyme kai na anagnwrizoyme se ti synqhkes prospaqoyme na kanoyme th doyleia mas kai na askhsoyme th diakybernhsh. Periqwria yparxoyn, apotyxia, omws, den yparxei kai ayto einai jekaqaro. Ayto kapoioi prospaqoyn na to qesoyn ws bash syzhthshs. Einai, omws, aporripteo apo emas, giati yparxoyn apotelesmata ta opoia mporoyme na metrhsoyme.

MARAQIAS: O ypoyrgos Oikonomikwn apolambanei ths empistosynhs toy Prwqypoyrgoy;

PETALWTHS: Den einai aytonohth h apanthsh;

MARAQIAS: Oson afora thn efarmogh toy mnhmonioy.

PETALWTHS: Na antistrecw ligo to erwthma sas; Poios qa hqele na einai ypoyrgos Oikonomikwn ayton ton enamish xrono; Na kanei mia tetoia doyleia, na prospaqei na kerdisei thn empistosynh twn jenwn etairwn mas, na prospaqei na efarmosei mia politikh poy exei ajona koinwnikhs dikaiosynhs to oikonomiko problhma kai na yperaspizetai ta dikaia mas se oikonomiko epipedo me apanwtes diapragmateyseis, poy den einai qewrhtikes syzhthseis, alla sklhres diapragmateyseis, poy ginontai me toys daneistes mas kai na fqanoyme se tetoio shmeio.

GARGALAKOS: Kyrie ypoyrge, akoysa ton k.Loberdo sth Boylh na ekfrazei thn ektimhsh oti pisw apo orismenoys ``aganaktismenoys'' yparxei politikos daktylos, politikoi xwroi. Eseis ti gnwmh exete ep aytoy;

PETALWTHS: Sas anefera kai prohgoymenws oti oi ``aganaktismenoi'' polites me ton neo twra oro, giati me thn palia ennoia parepempe se allh epoxh kai den exei kamia sxesh me ayto poy ginetai shmera, exoyn tis agwnies toys kai aytes tis ekfrazoyn. Apo ekei kai pera, kapoioi ``xairontai sthn anampoympoyla''. Ayto einai jekaqaro kai to blepoyme.

To eidame proxqes, s'aythn thn aparadekth kai akrws katadikastea energeia, poy egine sth Boylh, stoxopoiwntas oxi toys boyleytes, alla to idio to koinoboyleytiko systhma. 'Oso kai an den mas aresei to politiko systhma, oso kai an den mas aresoyn oi prajeis pollwn ekfrastwn h ekproswpwn toy politikoy systhmatos, yparxoyn qesmoi poy exoyn prostateyqei kai katakthqei me aima kai agwnes toy ellhnikoy laoy, opws einai h Dhmokratia kai o Koinoboyleytismos . Kaneis den dikaioytai na toys eytelizei shmera apo opoia pleyra kai an proerxetai.

Alla blepoyme kai polles praktikes oi opoies einai aparadektes. Kai twra pairnw aformh apo ayto poy moy eipate, na sas anaferw oti proxqes hmoyn martyras se ena poly megalo jenodoxeio ths Aqhnas, to opoio einai gemato apo jenoys toyristes - kai malista Kinezoys - oles aytes tis hmeres, opoy to PAME, ayto to metwpiko organo toy KKE hrqe gia deyterh fora mesa se treis hmeres kai ekane pragmatikh katalhch enos idiwtikoy xwroy, gia na yperaspistei - ypotiqetai- ta ergasiaka dikaiwmata enos ergazomenoy s'ayto to jenodoxeio. Oi ekatontades toyristes poy briskontan ekei, fygadeythkan me ton pio aparadekto tropo, prokeimenoy na mhn ypostoyn tis synepeies mias tetoias energeias. Otan shmera, arxes Ioynioy, ayto poy exoyme na poyme san qetiko shmeio einai oti o toyrismos mas, perimenoyme na exei poly qetika anaptyjiaka proshma, na einai qetikos kai kapoioi elafra th kardia apofasizoyn me tropo olws paranomo na eytelizoyn se tetoio shmeio kai baqmo th xwra.

GARGALAKOS: Prokeitai na ginei anasxhmatismos, proetoimazetai;

PETALWTHS: Qymizw oti gia ton anasxhmatismo syzhtame epi enamish xrono. Qa eprepe na ginetai anasxhmatismos kaqe hmera. Ayto poy exoyme emeis kata noy kai kata prajh einai na prospaqhsoyme na kleisoyme to mesoproqesmo poy bgazei th xwra mas apo thn krish stoxeymena mexri to 2015. Na doyme thn anaptyjh, pws mporoyme na thn petyxoyme, na doyme pws mporoyme na allajoyme thn koinwnia, to kratos, me sygkekrimenes megales allages, me diarqrwtikes apofaseis. Monon ayto mas endiaferei. Sto plaisio aytoy toy endiaferontos mas kai me ayto to pneyma doyleyoyme kai tipote allo.

KEXAGIA: Kyrie ekproswpe, exoyme maqei sth diarkeia toy briefing oti telikws 16 boyleytes toy kybernwntos kommatos kateqesan aythn thn perifhmh epistolh kai ekfrazoyn thn anhsyxia toys, genikws gia tis ejelijeis kai gia ena arqro toy mesoproqesmoy kai tis apokratikopoihseis. Kai genikws zhtoyn sebasmo twn dhmokratikwn qesmwn ypainissomenoi endexomenws ayto poy eipe o synadelfos prohgoymenws, oti qa prepei qa chfistei kat' arqron olo ayto to programma. Ep' aytoy exete na mas kanete kapoio sxolio;

PETALWTHS: Prwta ap' ola, den exw dei to keimeno . Alla, oytws h allws, h genikh qewrhsh poy exoyme einai oti: Toys boyleytes mas, thn koinoboyleytikh mas omada, alla kai toys boyleytes synolika toy ellhnikoy Koinoboylioy, ayth h kybernhsh toys sebetai oso kaneis den mporoyse na dianohqei mexri twra. Kai toys sebetai, oxi mono sta logia, alla kai sthn prajh. Oi dynatothtes na ekfrastoyn mesa apo toys koinoboyleytikoys tomeis ergasias, oi opoioi pragmatika exoyn mia ypodeigmatikh leitoyrgia gia boyleytes. Giati mexri twra legame oti oi boyleytes pane kai chfizoyn. Emeis apodeijame sto PASOK oti oi boyleytes mas den pane aplws na chfisoyn, alla diaboyleyontai, nomoqetoyn, synapofasizoyn gia poly shmantika zhthmata sto sxediasmo, me thn kybernhsh. Kai en telei apofasizoyn oi idioi me thn chfo toys sth Boylh. Exoyme apodeijei oti oyte tetoioys boyleytes qelame, oyte tetoioys boyleytes exoyme. Ara, h ekfrash anhsyxias kai agwnias exei apanthqei, oytws h allws, me tis prajeis ths idias ths kybernhshs, edw kai enamish xrono.

KEXAGIA: Ep` aytoy, na sas rwthsw: Apo th stigmh poy eseis lete oti synedriazoyn ta organa, kati to opoio blepoyme oloi kai dinete h eykairia stoys boyleytes na ekfrastoyn, ayto to parapanw, oti qelhsan na ekfrastoyn dhmosiws me ayth thn epistolh, pws to sxoliazete politika; Kai ena deytero: Exei kleisei h den exei kleisei to mesoproqesmo; Kai poy skontaftei ean den exei kleisei;

PETALWTHS: Gia toys boyleytes exw ekfrasei th sygkekrimenh apoch ths kybernhshs, thn opoia anaferw edw kai para poly kairo. H ekfrash agwnias kai oi ekfraseis twn boyleytwn einai to ojygono ths politikhs zwhs. Kaqenas pairnei thn eyqynh na ekfrasei thn anhsyxia kai thn agwnia toy me ton tropo poy prokrinei ws pleon endedeigmeno. Apo ekei kai pera, eimaste ypeyqynoi oloi kai gia tis prajeis mas kai gia th symperifora mas ws boyleytes. Ayto isxyei gia ton kaqena mas. To anaferw, giati kai egw eimai boyleyths.

Se o,ti afora sto mesoproqesmo, sto poly megalo meros toy exei kleisei. Yparxoyn kapoies texnikes leptomereies, giati prokeitai gia ena poly megalo keimeno. Aytes oi texnikes leptomereies briskontai sto teliko stadio ths epejergasias. Den yparxei kati poy na exei ``skontacei''.

KOYTRAS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, epeidh lete oti den exei ``skontacei'' kati sto mesoproqesmo, qelw na sas pw epishmws, na xrhsimopoihsw kai to onoma ths synadelfoy moy poy kalyptei to ypoyrgeio Ergasias, h ka Rania Tzima apo to SKAI epikoinwnhse me to ypoyrgeio Ergasias kai toys rwthse ``ti ginetai me tis epixeirhsiakes symbaseis;'' kai epishmws to Grafeio Typoy toy ypoyrgeioy Ergasias eipe oti ``to qema exei fygei apo to ypoyrgeio Ergasias kai exei analabei tis diapragmateyseis o Prwqypoyrgos''. Qelw na moy peite ean isxyei kati tetoio.

PETALWTHS: Anaferesqe stis epixeirhsiakes symbaseis. To mesoproqesmo qa kleisei. Prin kleisei, den mporw na pw tipote ayth th stigmh, alla qa prepei na eimaste sigoyroi oti qa kleisei me ton kalytero kai pio dikaio tropo gia ta dikaiwmata twn Ellhnwn ergazomenwn.

KOYTRAS: Den katalaba. 'Exei analabei o Prwqypoyrgos h oxi tis diapragmateyseis;

PETALWTHS: To poios kanei tis diapragmateyseis olo ayto to xroniko diasthma, to gnwrizoyme. Yparxei mia sygkekrimenh diadikasia kai ayth h diadikasia akoloyqeitai.

KOYTRAS: Ean exei allajei, omws, kai exei analabei o Prwqypoyrgos...

PETALWTHS: Den exei allajei tipota.

ZAFEIRIADOY: Kyrie Ekproswpe, ayrio o Prwqypoyrgos metabainei sto Loyjemboyrgo gia mia synanthsh me ton Zan-Klwnt Gioynker. 'Hqela, an exete thn kalosynh, to akribes antikeimeno ayths ths synanthshs kai kata poso ton dyskoleyei ayth h diafwnia meridas boyleytwn toy, th stigmh poy zhtoyse synainesh apo thn antipoliteysh.

PETALWTHS: H ayrianh synanthsh me ton proedro toy Eurogroup, ton k. Gioynker, einai episkech ergasias. Ennoeitai oti to antikeimeno ths syzhthshs metajy toy Prwqypoyrgoy kai toy k. Gioynker einai poly megalo: Gia thn oikonomikh katastash sth xwra mas, gia thn oikonomikh katastash sthn Eyrwph, gia to mesoproqesmo etsi opws ejelissetai.

Kai ws pros to deytero skelos ths erwthshs sas, ayth thn epistolh thn opoia den thn exw dei, apo sas thn akoyw ayth th stigmh oti yparxei, den mporei fysika na ejomoiwqei me th mh synainesh sto kybernhtiko programma.

MARAQIAS: Prin, apantwntas se erwthsh synadelfoy gia ton anasxhmatismo, eipate oti h kybernhsh prospaqei, ayto poy th noiazei twra an katalaba kala, prospaqei na kleisei to mesoproqesmo. 'Hqela na rwthsw, aytos einai kai o orizontas ths paroysas kybernhshs;

PETALWTHS: Oxi, bebaia. O orizontas ths paroysas kybernhshs einai orizontas tetraetias, prwta ap' ola. Kai mexri to 2013 poy lhgei h kybernhtikh qhteia mas, exoyme na kanoyme polla, ma para polla pragmata. Tosa, poy qa qelame na leitoyrgoyme diaforetika, na eimaste pio xalaroi, oxi bebaia opws hsan alles kybernhseis, alla na mhn anagkazomaste na eimaste ypo thn piesh ths kaqhmerinhs prospaqeias kai proklhshs na prospaqoyme na epilyoyme kriseis, oi opoies qa eprepe na prolhfqoyn edw kai 10eties h en pash periptwsei na mhn fqasoyn na ojynontai shmera. To mesoproqesmo einai para poly shmantiko, einai h perigrafh toy dhmosionomikoy kai anaptyjiakoy orizonta ths xwras mas mexri to 2015. Wstoso, to mesoproqesmo qa prepei prwta ap' ola na efarmostei kai ekei egkeitai h megalh proklhsh. Synepws, ayth h kybernhsh exei mprosta ths akomh para pollh doyleia.

MARAQIAS: Ennooysa gia th synqesh ths kybernhshs.

PETALWTHS: Apanthsa prohgoymenws.

KOYTRAS: Qa hqela na sas rwthsw ean yparxei periptwsh o Prwqypoyrgos na symmetasxei stis ergasies toy dieyrymenoy KTE Oikonomikwn, dhladh na ginei paroysia toy, kai ean to Sabbatokyriako yparxei skech na ginei kapoia kinhsh pros thn pleyra toy k. Samara gia kapoio ranteboy isws, se mia ystath prospaqeia synaineshs.

PETALWTHS: Ef' oson kleisei to mesoproqesmo, qa anakoinwqoyn ta bhmata ths enhmerwshs kai ths syzhthshs poy exoyme na kanoyme kyriws me toys boyleytes, se poio organo qa ginoyn kai pws. Den yparxei kati programmatismeno gia ton k. Samara. Omws, isxyei h prosklhsh mas gia eqnikh synennohsh, mia prosklhsh poy ginetai kaqe mera kai isxyroterh, gia na deijoyme oti antilambanomaste oloi th megalh krish poy pername kai to megalo dromo poy exoyme gia to jeperasma ayths ths krishs. Sygxronws omws na deijoyme oti yparxei tropos, yparxei dromos na jeperasoyme to problhma poy antimetwpizei h xwra mas. Kai o tropos aytos einai oratos, arkei na qeloyme na ton doyme oloi.

MIXAHL: Gnwrizete ean h syzygos toy k. Papagiannh, poy ekfrazetai mesw enos blog, ergazetai sto Aqhnaiko Praktoreio kai me ti apodoxes;

PETALWTHS: Aytes tis meres asxoloymaste synexeia me to APE. H enhmerwsh poy exw einai apo ton Dieyqynth toy APE, oti yphrxe symbash. Tis apodoxes, fysika, oyte tis gnwrizw oyte mporw na tis gnwrizw, yparxoyn ta proswpika dedomena.

ZAFEIRIADOY: Kyrie Ekproswpe, prohgoymenws moy apanthsate oti mia tetoia epistolh apo boyleytes, den mporei na ejomoiwqei me mh synainesh sto kybernhtiko programma. Qewreite oti to na kataqetoyn, ligo prin th syzhthsh sta armodia organa, mia tetoia epistolh...

PETALWTHS: Eseis, th gnwrizete thn epistolh;

ZAFEIRIADOY: Thn jeroyme.

PETALWTHS: Gia na moy thn peite ki emena, gia na sas th sxoliasw kiolas.

ZAFEIRIADOY: Wraia, na sas pw ta basika ths shmeia.

PETALWTHS: Oxi ta basika shmeia, thn idia thn epistolh. Ta basika, profanws ta gnwrizete, protoy yparjei epistolh.

ZAFEIRIADOY: Pantws, ektimate oti ayto einai mia kinhsh entypwsiasmoy, ap' o,ti katalabainw kai apla meta qa chfisoyn kanonika.

PETALWTHS: Oxi, eipa kati tetoio; Eipa oti oi boyleytes epilegoyn ton tropo me ton opoio ekfrazoyn thn agwnia toys kai thn anhsyxia toys. Alla to oti yparxei mia epistolh - an yparxei kai opoia einai ayth- den mporei na qewrhsoyme oti den einai synainesh stis apofaseis ths kybernhshs.

Sas eyxaristw.

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