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Dieyqynsh Plhroforhshs

Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Tetarth, 6 Aprilioy 2011

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BRIEFING KYBERNHTIKOY EKPROSWPOY G. PETALWTH(060411)

KYBERNHTIKOS EKPROSWPOS

Aqhna, 6 Aprilioy 2011

GIWRGO PETALWTH

Kalo meshmeri.

Anakoinwqhkan xqes apo to YPEKA gia prwth fora sthn istoria ths xwras, oi treis prwtoi dasikoi xartes, poy aforoyn sthn Pentelh, sth Nea Pentelh kai sto Maraqwna Attikhs. Katoxyrwnoyme, epiteloys, mia gia panta, ti kai poy einai dasos sthn Ellada, bazontas telos stis katapathseis dhmosiwn kthmatwn, daswn kai genikws dhmosias perioysias, opws shmatodotei kai h prajh mas ayth.

Ta ofelh ap` ayth thn energeia einai shmantika gia toys polites, tis perioxes poy xartografoyntai kai fysika gia to idio to periballon. Qwrakizoyme to dasos, tis ektaseis ekeines poy diaforetika arga h grhgora qa epeftan qymata ayqaireths domhshs kai katapathshs. Einai xreos olwn mas na diaswsoyme tis dasikes ektaseis poy mas exoyn apomeinei kai na dhmioyrghsoyme tis proypoqeseis gia th dhmioyrgia newn.

Ta ofelh einai shmantika, bebaia, kai gia toys polites. Dieykolynetai h oloklhrwsh toy Kthmatologioy, synepws, katoxyrwnetai h idiwtikh, alla kai h dhmosia perioysia. Bazoyme telos sth shmerinh anarxh katastash, bazoyme telos stis prajeis xarakthrismoy. Kaqe poliths qa gnwrizei, pleon, ti einai h ektash sthn opoia epiqymei na oikodomhsei h na ependysei h apla na katexei. Termatizoyme tis polymhnes kaqysterhseis kai ta tyxon fainomena diaplokhs kai adiafaneias kai se ayton ton tomea.

Oi sygkekrimenes perioxes, poy dhmioyrghqhkan oi prwtoi xartes mporoyn, pleon, na katartisoyn ena oloklhrwmeno kai akribh xwrotajiko sxediasmo, anoigontas etsi neoys dromoys biwsimhs anaptyjhs stis topikes koinwnies. Einai ejairetika shmantiko gia mia sygxronh xwra na gnwrizoyme oloi ti kai poy einai dasos. Einai zhthma arxhs, proodoy, alla kai nootropias mias koinwnias poy sebetai th fysh kai kat` epektash ton polith.

Telos, gia allh mia fora boylhsh ths kybernhshs einai na qesei telos se asafeies, adraneies, synallages kai genikoteres paqogeneies toy parelqontos, katastaseis poy dhmioyrgoysan kai ayqairesies kai anaptyjiaka adiejoda - gi` ayto, pera ap` ola ta alla, ayth h prajh mas exei kai anaptyjiakh diastash - alla kai telika thn katastrofh toy periballontos, thn kakodiaxeirish kai thn kataspatalhsh twn fysikwn mas porwn.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

KOYTRAS: Afoy sas parathrhsw oti symfwna me toys neoys dasikoys xartes, h Pentelh, h plateia ths Pentelhs einai dasos kai an...

PETALWTHS: Oxi me toys neoys. Me toys palioys.

KOYTRAS: Kai me toys neoys.

PETALWTHS: Nai, o,ti yphrxe palaiotera.

KOYTRAS: Nai. An qa exete skopo na thn gkremisete thn plateia ths Pentelhs. Qelw na sas rwthsw, sxetika me osa grafontai shmera, diaceydetai kai eseis apo to prwi kathgorhmatika ta peri anadiarqrwshs, wstoso oi germanikoi FINANCIAL TIMES shmera, epikaloyntai phges stis xwres melh ths E.E., symfwna me tis opoies h Ellada einai piqano, to epomeno xroniko diasthma, na probei se anadiarqrwsh toy xreoys ths. Kai malista, sto dhmosieyma anaferetai oti to skeptetai kai o ypoyrgos twn Oikonomikwn.

PETALWTHS: Prwta ap` ola, na sas pw oti akribws ayth einai h xrhsh twn newn dasikwn xartwn, gia na jekaqarisoyme kai na doyme poia perioxh einai dasos h oxi. H plateia ths Pentelhs apo to 1998, otan kahke, htan xarakthrismenh ws dasos. Yparxei oikodomhsh. An einai ayqaireth h den einai, ayto einai sto plaisio allhs leitoyrgias toys kratoys. Emeis shmera bazoyme tajh kai fysika, mesa apo toys dasikoys xartes poy einai mia ejairetika shmantikh doyleia kai apo texnikhs apochs kai apo nomikhs, alla deixnei kai tis politikes mas, dinetai h dynatothta diorqwsewn, beltiwsewn, enstasewn, etsi opws yparxei ayth h diadikasia. Ara, orizoyme dasikoys xartes kai den prepei na sygxeoyme ton orismo toy dasoys me ta ayqaireta ktismata.

Apo ekei kai pera, sto meizon zhthma poy qesate, qa epanalabw gia allh mia fora, oti den yparxei periptwsh na ginei anadiarqrwsh. Oxi aplws den th skeftomaste, alla thn apokleioyme teleiws, san ellhnikh kybernhsh, giati gnwrizoyme para poly kala poso epizhmia qa einai mia anadiarqrwsh. Osoi diakinoyn tetoioy eidoys senaria, profanws den gnwrizoyn thn yparxoysa katastash kai den parakoloyqoyn tis ejelijeis gia th dhmioyrgia mias neas ths dhmioyrgias prooptikhs gia thn ellhnikh oikonomia. Emeis den menoyme sta senaria ayta, ap` ta opoia polla einai kai eyfantasta. Alla, epeidh exoyme synhqisei edw kai enamish xrono na akoyme oti ptwxeyoyme kai otan ayto den egine kai shmera jepername to problhma kai thn piqanothta ths ptwxeyshs thn opoia exoyme apokleisei pro polloy, akribws me ton idio tropo apokleioyme kai ta senaria ths anadiarqrwshs. Aytoi poy miloysan kapote gia xreokopia ths Elladas kai apodeixqhke oti den yparxei tetoia periptwsh, tetoio endexomeno, twra to gyrisan kai milane gia anadiarqrwsh poy qa kanei h ellhnikh kybernhsh. Den yparxei kanena tetoio zhthma. As skeftoyn kati diaforetiko, as dwsoyn pio peistika senaria ap` ayta poy diakinoyn. Emeis ayto poy kanoyme einai anti na synwmosiologoyme kai na parafilologoyme gia thn anadiarqrwsh, dinoyme prooptikh sth xwra mas. Prooptikh h opoia erxetai mesa apo enan eqniko sxediasmo. Prooptikh h opoia qa katadeixqei se poly syntomo xroniko diasthma kai mesa ap` to mesoproqesmo strathgiko sxedio gia th xwra mas, gia th staqeropoihsh kai thn anaptyjh, ap` opoy prokyptei pragmatika, oti emeis den epifylassoyme anadiarqrwseis kai alloy eidoys senaria. Emeis epifylassoyme gia th xwra mas prooptikh kai elpida gia ejodo apo thn krish. Sxediazoyme pera apo mia stenh kybernhtikh qhteia. Kanoyme makroproqesma sxedia kai dinoyme kai to sxediasmo kai ton tropo ylopoihshs twn oramatwn mas gia to jeperasma ths krishs, gia mia Ellada diaforetikh. Ayth einai h jekaqarh qesh ths kybernhshs kai den yparxei tipota allo.

KOYTRAS: Nai. Aplws, prepei na apeyqynqeite kai na peisete kai toys dikoys sas boyleytes. Dioti h k. Basw Papandreoy sth xqesinh synedriash toy KTE oikonomikwn toy PA.SO.K., eipe apeyqynomenh ston ypoyrgo, symfwna me oles tis plhrofories, oti pame gia anadiarqrwsh.

PETALWTHS: Prwta ap` ola, oi plhrofories oi opoies diakinoyntai gia to KTE einai diaforetikes se polla shmeia apo thn pragmatikothta. En pash periptwsei, ayto poy exoyme na poyme, gia allh mia fora, einai oti emeis, ws PA.SO.K., toys koinoboyleytikoys tomeis ergasias, toys qeloyme, pragmatika, xwro ekfrashs ths agwnias toy aploy polith, poy ekfrazetai mesw twn boyleytwn. Ekfrash syzhthshs, protasewn, etsi wste na mporei na ginetai kai enhmerwsh apo toys ypoyrgoys mas pros ta melh ths Koinoboyleytikhs Omadas toy PA.SO.K. poy symmetexoyn stoys ekastote tomeis, alla kai oi ypoyrgoi kai h kybernhsh, na pairnoyn ta mhnymata ths bashs, mesw twn boyleytwn. Apo ekei kai pera, omws, oi apoceis poy ekfrazontai, oi protaseis kai oi qeseis twn boyleytwn filtrarontai, epejergazontai, apantwntai apo toys armodioys ypoyrgoys. Kai h qesh h dikh mas einai oti den yparxei periptwsh anadiarqrwshs. To na ekfrazontai anhsyxies kai agwnies einai eylogo, einai gonimo kai einai kai ygies. Kai ayth einai h apoch kai toy Prwqypoyrgoy. Den einai ypekfygh. Einai ekfrasmenh apoch, einai basikh arxh, me thn opoia syzhtoyn, me thn opoia ergazontai oi koinoboyleytikoi tomeis ergasias. Kai an ayth h leitoyrgia akoloyqoyntan kai sto parelqon se periodoys allwn kybernhsewn, tote pragmatika pisteyoyme oti qa yphrxe sth xwra mas mia alloy eidoys egkatesthmenh politikh, mia diaforetikh politikh nootropia.

MPOTWNHS: Kyrie ypoyrge, qa hqela na epanelqw se ayto to mesoproqesmo poy eipate pro oligoy. H chfish toy apotelei kai chfo empistosynhs gia thn kybernhsh; Kai an nai, o Prwqypoyrgos qa apeyqynqei sthn Koinoboyleytikh Omada toy PA.SO.K. h sthn Olomeleia twn 300; Kai poio einai ayto to ycos, dhladh einai to 150+1 h to 180+1;

PETALWTHS: Prwta ap` ola, den exoyme anagkh apo kamia chfo empistosynhs. Lambanoyme kaqhmerina apo toys boyleytes ths K.O. toy PA.SO.K. thn chfo empistosynhs, me th leitoyrgia mas. Kataferame na swsoyme th xwra apo to xeilos ths xreokopias, opws mas thn paredwse h N.D. kai ayto den prepei na to jexname. Kai mono h diaswsh einai mia safhs chfos empistosynhs twn politwn pros thn kybernhsh. Apo ekei kai pera, den mas endiaferoyn ola ta alla. Se ayto to shmeio, qa hqela na dhlwsw rhta - epeidh diabazw kai akoyw senaria gia chfish toy mesoproqesmoy strathgikoy sxedioy me 180 chfoys klp - oti den teqhke pote kati tetoio, oyte ws qema syzhthshs, alla oyte kai ws skech. Epanalambanw: To mono poy mas endiaferei, einai na dwsoyme prooptikh gia th xwra mas kai mesa apo thn chfish aytoy toy mesoproqesmoy strathgikoy sxedioy poy qa perilambanei polles ptyxes ths ideologias mas kai ths sygxronhs kai epikairhs praktikhs mas, alla kai toy baqoys poy qeloyme na dwsoyme me thn anaptyjiakh diastash, thn koinwnikh diastash kai th dhmioyrgia qesewn ergasias. Mesa apo ayto to mesoproqesmo strathgiko sxedio dhmioyrgoyme enan eqniko sxediasmo, o opoios, eimaste bebaioi, oti pragmatika dinei prooptikh sth xwra. Den qeloyme na paijoyme oyte me qesmoys, oyte me paixnidia 180 h katw twn 180 chfwn. Den tiqetai tetoio zhthma. Den tiqetai qema chfoy empistosynhs. Mesa apo ton mesoproqesmo strathgiko sxediasmo doyleyoyme apokleistika gia na exoyme mia sobarh, logikh kai realistikh protash, h opoia jeperna thn epikairothta kai mas odhgei se tetoio baqos xronoy poy pragmatika na mporoyme na exoyme mia Ellada diaforetikh apo th shmerinh.

MPOTWNHS: Eipate ta kala toy mesoproqesmoy. Den exoyme akoysei ta kaka entos h ektos eisagwgikwn, gia ta opoia akoyme kai diabazoyme kaqhmerina kai ennow ta peri newn metrwn. Epishs, otan lete oti ayth h protash einai realistikh, den apeyqyneste sthn Olomeleia twn 300;

PETALWTHS: Einai aytonohto oti apeyqynomaste sthn Olomeleia. Gi` ayto exoyme kalesei oles tis politikes dynameis poy ekproswpoyntai sto Koinoboylio, na synaisqanqoyn epiteloys thn eyqynh poy exoyn oloi toys, kaqenas me to baros ths eyqynhs poy toy analogei. Einai qema eyqynhs ths kaqe politikhs dynamhs. Emeis fernoyme ena mesoproqesmo strathgiko sxediasmo gia na chfistei - ennoeitai - ap` olh th Boylh. Apo ekei kai pera, h kaqe politikh dynamh, ejartatai to poso ypeyqynh aisqanetai gia to mellon toy topoy kai fysika ayto to apodeiknyei. Den tiqetai, omws, qema chfoy empistosynhs, ayto einai jekaqaro.

Oso gia ta kala kai ta asxhma, sas milhsa gia th sobarothta kai th spoydaiothta na yparxei enas strathgikos sxediasmos poy na mas bgazei pera apo to ena kai dyo xronia, poy phgainei pera apo to sxediasmo mias kybernhtikhs qhteias. Ara, ek twn pragmatwn, enexei kai stoixeia eqnikoy sxediasmoy. Kai qa prepei, epiteloys, oi politikes dynameis kai kyriws h N.D. na synaisqanqei thn terastia eyqynh poy exei panw s` ayto to qema kai na apodeijei ean pragmatika synaisqanetai poy brisketai. Giati, mexri stigmhs, ayta poy lene kai apo ayta poy akoyme, mas dhmioyrgeitai h entypwsh oti den exoyn antilhch, dystyxws, ths pragmatikothtas. Mia pragmatikothta poy en pollois diamorfwsan oi idioi.

Na epanalabw oson afora ta osa grafontai kai akoygontai peri newn metrwn oti mas endiaferei na kanoyme diarqrwtikes allages. Allages poy exoyn na kanoyn me th leitoyrgia toy kratoys, th leitoyrgia ths dioikhshs, th leitoyrgia twn foroelegktikwn kai foroeispraktikwn mhxanismwn. Dhladh, na dhmioyrghqoyn mesa s` ayton ton mesoproqesmo strathgiko sxediasmo, proypoqeseis, etsi wste h Politeia na mporei na leitoyrgei me sygxrono kai epikairopoihmeno tropo kai na mporei na ylopoiei toys sxediasmoys kai tis strathgikes mias opoiasdhpote kyriarxhs kybernhshs. Ayto einai to zhthma, ekei pasxoyme edw kai dekaeties. Anti na xtizoyme sobara, epi dekaeties erxomaste twra na kalycoyme paqogeneies poy yphrxan gia xronia. Ena meros toys kalyptetai apo ayton ton mesoproqesmo strathgiko sxediasmo kai pisteyoyme oti einai mia eykairia, pleon, na deijoyme to dromo kai thn prooptikh pros thn ejodo apo thn krish kai thn anaptyjh ths xwras mas.

GARGALAKOS: Kyrie ypoyrge, ap' o,ti fainetai, to porisma gia ta ypobryxia phge sth Boylh. H kybernhsh ti qa prajei ep' aytoy;

PETALWTHS: Ontws, anamenoyn sth Boylh na laboyn to porisma gia ta ypobryxia. Kai s' ayth thn periptwsh, h qesh ths kybernhshs einai jekaqarh: To ``ola sto fws'', poy exei pei o Prwqypoyrgos Giwrgos Papandreoy, isxyei kai s' ayth thn periptwsh. Fysika, qa ejetasqoyn oles oi proypoqeseis kai ef' oson epalhqeyqoyn, den qa distasoyme na proxwrhsoyme se prokatarktikh ejetastikh epitroph, thn palai pote proanakritikh. H prokatarktikh ejetastikh epitroph einai enas qesmos ton opoio safws kai qa sebastoyme, ston opoio safws kai den qa distasoyme na proxwrhsoyme, ef' oson fysika yparjoyn stoixeia mesa apo to porisma poy qa elqei sth Boylh. Einai qema ths Koinoboyleytikhs Omadas, mesa apo tis aparaithtes koinoboyleytikes diadikasies, na qesei tetoio zhthma. Omws, h kybernhsh kai to PASOK exoyn jekaqarh qesh: Pairnoyme to porisma, to meletame kai ef' oson yparxoyn stoixeia, den qa distasoyme na pame se prokatarktikh epitroph.

KOYTRAS: To mesoproqesmo programma qa perilambanei ayto poy eipe kai o k. Stros Kan xqes milwntas sthn Oyasigkton, sxetika me ta misqologika, me toys misqoys sthn Ellada; Dhladh, qa perilambanei kai neo ``koyrema'' misqwn se dhmosio kai idiwtiko tomea;

PETALWTHS: Ean ennoeite to eniaio misqologio, sas apantw pws den tiqetai kan qema gia ``koyrema'' misqwn. To eniaio misqologio exei na kanei me koinwnikh dikaiosynh anamesa stoys dhmosioys ypallhloys, dhladh, na meiwsei ayth thn terastia misqologikh diafora poy yparxei apo yphresia se yphresia, apo ypoyrgeio se ypoyrgeio kai apo organismo se organismo, me apotelesma na exoyme pollwn kai teleiws adikwn taxythtwn misqoys ston dhmosio tomea. To eniaio misqologio den qa efarmosqei gia na ``koyrecoyme'' kanena misqo, ayto einai jekaqaro. Ginetai gia na mpei epiteloys mia tajh kai na yparjei koinwnikh dikaiosynh sto misqologio twn dhmosiwn ypallhlwn. Mias poy anaferate th lejh ``koyrema'', drattomai ths eykairias gia na epishmanw pws ``koyrema'' xreiazetai sto ti legoyn kai sto pws ta legoyn kapoioi, genikws. Ektimw pws ayth thn epishmansh qa prepei oloi mas na thn exoyme kata noy, otan diatypwnoyme tis apoceis mas.

KOYTRAS: Me sygxwreite, ennoeite gia ton k. Stros Kan;

PETALWTHS: Oxi, kaqoloy den ennow ton k. Stros Kan. Anaferomai se oloys aytoys poy omiloyn peri anadiarqrwsewn, diatypwnoyn senaria, qewrhtikologoyn kai poy nomizoyn pws einai dynaton diafores qewries ths oikonomikhs episthmhs na tyxoyn efarmoghs sthn Ellada. Ekei, pragmati, xreiazetai ena ``koyrema'', prokeimenoy na apokthsoyme thn proshkoysa sobarothta.

KOYTRAS: Epi ths oysias twra: H qesh toy epikefalhs toy Dieqnoys Nomismatikoy Tameioy sxoliazetai apo thn kybernhsh; Eipe oti exoyme akriboys misqoys. Kai oloi shmera syzhtoyn - to gnwrizete - oti qa perikopoyn ki allo oi misqoi. Oysiastika einai o proaggelos newn perikopwn se misqoys kai syntajeis.

PETALWTHS: Emeis exoyme pei kat' epanalhch oti den milame gia perikopes misqwn kai syntajewn. Einai jekaqaro. Den prokeitai na ginoyn orizonties perikopes kai ayto exei plhrws aposafhnisqei. Ean qa mpoyn, omws, koinwnika krithria stis megales misqologikes diafores sto ellhniko dhmosio, p.x. se epidomata, ayto einai ena allo zhthma to opoio entassetai sto plaisio toy eniaioy misqologioy poy epiferei thn koinwnikh dikaiosynh.

As stamathsoyme na milame gia perikopes misqwn kai syntajewn kai malista epi kaqhmerinhs basews. As stamathsoyme, epiteloys, na katastrofologoyme, na kindynologoyme kai na tromokratoyme thn ellhnikh koinwnia. H paroysa kybernhsh parelabe mia xwra poy briskotan kyriolektika sto xeilos ths xreokopias kai thn efere se mia qesh poy na mporei na syzhta isotima me toys etairoys, na diapragmateyetai lyseis prooptikhs kai ejodoy apo thn krish, kaqws kai dhmioyrgias mias allhs Elladas. Emeis, sthn prajh, apantame se oloys osoi katastrofologoyn, kindynologoyn kai apokomizoyn diafora ofelh mesa ap' aythn thn katastrofologia: Alloi oikonomika kai alloi politika. Epiteloys, ayth thn katastrofologia as thn stamathsoyn kai ta kommata, poy anti na synaisqanqoyn to megeqos ths eyqynhs poy exoyn gia thn shmerinh katastash ths xwras mas, me perisso qrasos bgainoyn kai kanoyn sxoliasmoys af' ychloy, milwntas genikws gia anaptyjh, erxomenoi na mas poyn oti den gnwrizan ti ginotan kai poy kybernoysan. Kai anaferomai ston k. Samara - gia ton opoio na qymisw pws ton Maio toy 2009 miloyse gia elleimma 4% - poy erxetai shmera, gia allh mia fora, na mas paristanei ton ``mago'' kai na mas dinei symboyles gia periorismo twn elleimmatwn, gia xreos kai gia ola ta synafh. Einai ena kako sirial ayto poy paizei h N.D. kaqe mera, apajiwnontas thn koinh gnwmh kai toys Ellhnes polites.

MPOTWNHS: Hqela na sas rwthsw gia tis ypografes, gia toys 84 boyleytes, gia na syzhthqei to porisma gia th Siemens. Ayto ginetai gia na pei h Boylh oti exoyn paragrafei ta adikhmata ths Siemens, meta apo treis mhnes kaqysterhsh:

PETALWTHS: Prwta ap' ola, den yparxei kaqysterhsh. Malista moy dinete thn eykairia na pw, pws yparxei desmeysh ths Kybernhshs, oti den prokeitai me kleisimo ths Boylhs na paragrafoyn h na dieykolynqei h paragrafh adikhmatwn, ta opoia, se allh periptwsh, den qa paregrafonto. Ayto einai jekaqaro. Epanalambanw, gia mia akomh fora, pws th sxetikh prwtoboylia exoyn analabei boyleytes toy PASOK, prokeimenoy na syzhthqei to porisma gia th Siemens. Pragma poy den ekanan oi boyleytes ths N.D., opws eixan thn eyxereia na kanoyn, na mazecoyn, dhladh, 60 ypografes. Kai fysika emeis den qa kanoyme ayta poy ekane h N.D. H Boylh qa meinei anoikth gia oso diasthma xreiastei, prokeimenoy na apofeyxqei o kindynos paragrafhs oioydhpote adikhmatos, to opoio qa paragrafotan me endexomeno kleisimo ths. En antiqesei me th N.D. poy ekleise aron-aron th Boylh ton Maio toy 2009, gia na paragrafoyn ta poinika adikhmata twn ypoyrgwn ths. Ayth einai h megalh mas diafora. Mia diafora gia thn opoia exoyme desmeyqei proeklogika apenanti ston ellhniko lao. Mia diafora thn opoia ylopoioyme, efarmozoyme kai anadeiknyoyme kaqe mera.

KOYTRAS: Qelw na sas rwthsw an symmerizeste thn apoch toy k. Pagkaloy, o opoios se thleoptikh ekpomph, xqes to brady, eipe oti h deyterh tetraetia toy k. Shmith htan mia xamenh tetraetia.

PETALWTHS: Ennoeitai oti den qa sxoliasw to ti legetai se thleoptikes syzhthseis kai malista gia kybernhseis poy den einai toy parontos.

Sas eyxaristw.

Kalo apogeyma. --1427249692-1360750801-1302118572=:22078--

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