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Dieyqynsh Plhroforhshs

Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Tetarth, 16 Febroyarioy 2011

Ariqmos Deltioy: 316683563

Ekdosh 1

Briefing (16.2.2011)

KYBERNHTIKOS EKPROSWPOS

Aqhna, 16.2.2011

GIWRGO PETALWTH

Kalo meshmeri.

O Prwqypoyrgos Giwrgos Papandreoy eqese, xqes, se omilia toy jekaqara to plaisio sto opoio kineitai h kybernhsh sto qema ths ajiopoihshs ths dhmosias perioysias. H protash toy Prwqypoyrgoy deixnei th boylhsh ths kybernhshs na ependysei, na ajiopoihsei thn perioysia ayth, gia toys dikaioyxoys ths, poy einai oi Ellhnes polites kai oi mellontikes genies kai monon aytoi.

Den poylame gh, einai jekaqaro. Kai ayto to katoxyrwnoyme - malista gia prwth fora sta ellhnika dedomena, apo katabolhs ellhnikoy kratoys- me sygkekrimeno nomo, poy apagoreyei thn pwlhsh, th metabibash kai thn antallagh. Prostateyoyme thn perioysia toy ellhnikoy laoy, apo ``nea Batopedia''.

Einai h dikh mas apanthsh se eykola senaria, poy akoygontai apo eyry kommatiko fasma, alla kai genikotera apo aneyqynes fwnes poy mono stoxo exoyn ton apoprosanatolismo twn politwn. H N.D. to xarakthrise eykola ws epikoinwniako trik, krinontas gia allh mia fora ej idiwn ta allotria kai skeptomenoi ton tropo poy aytoi oi idioi politeyqhkan sto qema ths ``ajiopoihshs'' -se eisagwgika bebaia, giati htan xaristikh h ajiopoihsh ayth- ths dhmosias perioysias. To xarakthrizei, de, etsi kai kaqe fora anakalyptei, ypotiqetai, apo keimena, apo mnhmonia kai apo keimena Synodwn, diafora zhthmata, giati, dhqen, sto mnhmonio problepetai h katasxesh ths dhmosias perioysias genika kai aorista, apokryptontas bebaia ti shmainei to mnhmonio. Mia desmeysh poy analabame apenanti stoys pistwtes mas gia na mas dwsoyn 110 dis, prokeimenoy na mporoyme na kalyptoyme tis daneiakes mas anagkes. Synepws, kapoies eggyhseis qa eprepe na yparxoyn- alla mh anagnwrizontas oti kai se ayta yparxoyn oria.

Yparxoyn ta oria twn ellhnikwn nomwn, ta opoia einai xarakthristika kai gia ta opoia kapoios prepei kapote na milhsei sth N.D. Einai gnwsto oti pasxoyn apo politiko analfabhtismo, alla, toylaxiston, qa prepei na maqoyn na diabazoyn sygkekrimena kai malista otan einai nomoi toy kratoys poy aforoyn se shmantika zhthmata, opws einai h dhmosia perioysia.

Giati ayta poy lene einai fysika ceydh, kaqws to Dikaio Anagkastikhs Katasxeshs profylassei th dhmosia gh kai ta koinoxrhsta agaqa. Einai stoixeiwdh nomika enos prwtoeth foithth ths Nomikhs. Alla, profanws, sth N.D. ayta den eftasan akomh. As stamathsoyn, loipon, ton ekfobismo twn politwn kai th dhmioyrgia klimatos apo to poyqena. Den bohqa thn idia th xwra, poly perissotero den bohqa th N.D. na bgei apo ta adiejoda ths.

H ajiopoihsh ths dhmosias perioysias gia th meiwsh toy dhmosioy xreoys einai kati poy oloi mas xrwstame stis epomenes genies mas kai se kanenan allon. Ayto ofeiloyn na to antilhfqoyn oloi.

Anarwtiomaste, omws, ti qa prajei h N.D. enanti aytwn twn prwtoboyliwn ths kybernhshs gia thn katoxyrwsh ths dhmosias perioysias; Qa yperchfisei h mhpws, ws synhqws sta dyskola, qa fygei, qa drapeteysei, kryptomenh opws ekane para polles fores ta teleytaia xronia; Perimenoyme na doyme antidraseis.

Ekeino, omws, poy mas endiaferei einai na katoxyrwsoyme th dhmosia gh, na prostateysoyme th dhmosia perioysia kai mesw ths ajiopoihshs ths kai kyriws na synexisoyme aparegklita to ergo to opoio prattei h kybernhsh edw kai 15 - 16 mhnes, poy einai h ejodos ths xwras apo thn krish kai oi megales diarqrwtikes allages gia tis opoies den exei na proteinei tipote apolytws h N.D. h kai kapoioi alloi oi opoioi taytizontai me aythn.

Parakalw gia tis erwthseis sas.

SEGKOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, gia na mh baftizoyme to kreas cari, den einai toylaxiston empaigmos na leei h kybernhsh oti den pwleitai ellhnikh gh kai taytoxrona na sxediazei makroxronies symbaseis paraxwrhshs, poy oles oi plhrofories lene oti mporei na ftanoyn kai ta 99 xronia, akomh kai gia enan aiwna; To apotelesma qa einai to idio telika.

PETALWTHS: Oi makroxronies symbaseis einai kai nomimes, alla polles fores einai kai aparaithtes. Fysika gia misqwseis 99 xronwn den exei milhsei kaneis. Ayto einai poly ypoqetiko senario. Fysika, einai senario poy den prokeitai na dexqoyme pote. Giati yparxoyn oria kai stis misqwseis. Apo ekei kai pera einai shmantiko zhthma to na mporesoyme na ajiopoihsoyme th dhmosia perioysia kai oi misqwseis einai enas tropos gia ajiopoihsh ths dhmosias perioysias. Pws qa exoyme thn apaithsh apo ependytes na erqoyn kai na dwsoyn ``zesta'' xrhmata, dika toys, pros to dhmosio Tameio ths xwras mas, xwris na katoxyrwnontai stoixeiwdws; Oi misqwseis einai mia shmantikh sxesh poy thn problepei to Astiko Dikaio gia oloys kai metajy idiwtwn kai metajy dhmosioy kai idiwtwn fysika. Kai ayto oxi aplws den einai jepoylhma, alla mesw aytwn twn misqwsewn qa prostateyetai kai h kyriothta toy ellhnikoy dhmosioy, h opoia mesa apo mia misqwsh, anagnwrizetai, otan gnwrizoyme oloi oti yparxei terastio zhthma ths akatagrapths dhmosias perioysias kai fysika yparxei kai mia ekmetalleysh, qemith pantote, h opoia mas bohqaei kai sthn ejodo apo thn krish xreoys poy antimetwpizoyme. Den milame, bebaia, gia misqwseis 99 xronwn. Einai aporriptees ejarxhs. Emeis, isa-isa, epanalambanw, eimaste h prwth kybernhsh poy me synepeia katoxyrwnoyme th dhmosia gh. Kai gia mas ayto einai to prwteyon.

KOYKLOYMPERHS: An katalabainw kala, kyrie Ekproswpe, paradexeste oti akomh kai me to sygkekrimeno nomosxedio poy proanaggeilate, menoyn polla anoixta paraqyra.

PETALWTHS: Poia;

KOYKLOYMPERHS: Kai mesw twn makroxroniwn misqwsewn kai o Prwqypoyrgos xqes eipe gia ejairetikes periptwseis opoy qa mporei na paraxwrhqei dhmosia perioysia.

PETALWTHS: Den menei kanena paraqyro ws pros thn prostasia ths dhmosias ghs. Eimaste apolytoi. Kai sto nomosxedio poy qa erqei - kai syntoma malista - qa eimaste entelws apolytoi. Mhn anhsyxeite kaqoloy gi' ayto. Allo oi misqwseis kai allo h pwlhsh ghs. Einai mia shmantikh diafora. Kai an qelete na to kanw pio prosito, an den einai toso antilhpto, einai allo na agorazeis ena spiti kai allo na to noikiazeis, fysika. Qa to noikiaseis kai se kapoio xroniko diasthma qa fygeis. Gia tis makroxronies misqwseis, poios milhse gia misqwseis 99 xronwn; Milhse h kybernhsh; Alimono! Alla, an kapoios erqei na ependysei me sygkekrimenoys oroys, ennoeitai oti den qa mporei na ginei misqwsh enos etoys. Na milame kai sto plaisio ths logikhs. Kanena paraqyro den prokeitai na meinei. Isa-isa kleinoyme ta paraqyra, fernontas mia nomoqesia gia thn opoia kapoioi mas kathgoroyn apo thn antiqeth kateyqynsh. Monadikos gnwmonas einai to dhmosio symferon. Ayto einai jekaqaro. Opoy xreiazetai na yparxei eyelijia, qa xreiazetai giati yparxoyn periptwseis ajiopoihshs, alla kleinei kaqe paraqyro gia pwlhsh dhmosias ghs. Ayto einai dedomeno.

PAPPA: Kyrie Ekproswpe, an qymamai kala, ton Dekembrio se mia Diypoyrgikh Epitroph eixe syzhthqei kai eixe apofasistei h apokratikopoihsh ycoys 7 dis peripoy. Qa hqela na rwthsw, prwton, ti mesolabhse kai ta 7 dis eginan 50 se poly syntomo xroniko diasthma; Katalabainw oti ta 50 dis qa erqoyn ws epikairopoihmeno mnhmonio...

PETALWTHS: Oxi.

PAPPA: Oxi lete; Wraia. Kai qa hqela, parallhla, na rwthsw pws mia toso shmantikh apofash den perase apo to Ypoyrgiko Symboylio kai blepoyme na exei ginei mia synennohsh me troika, ypoyrgo Oikonomikwn, isws kai ton Prwqypoyrgo. Den yfistatai ena qema, toylaxiston, xeirismoy;

PETALWTHS: Ayta ta apanthsame. Einai h trith hmera poy ta apantame shmera. Exw apanthsei kai xqes kai proxqes. Den peirazei omws. Moy dinete mia eykairia na ta epanalabw. Mphke, ontws, enas stoxos sthn arxh 7 dis. Kai htan h prwth fora poy egine mia tetoia doyleia apo Diypoyrgikh Epitroph Apokratikopoihsewn gia thn ajiopoihsh toy ellhnikoy dhmosioy. Doyleia poy qa eprepe na eixe ginei edw kai polles dekaeties. Ara, thn jekinhsame emeis kai ayto einai ena qetiko ths kybernhshs. Apo ekei kai pera, o phxhs anebhke kaqara apo emas. Epanalambanw oti to na milhsoyme gia 50 dis einai dikh mas apofash, einai apofash ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs. Den einai oros toy mnhmonioy. Exoyme tis dynatothtes na bazoyme stoxoys, oi opoioi qewroyntai realistikoi. Alla kaneis den mas eipe oti an den piasoyme ta 50 dis qa exoyme problhma. O stoxos aytos einai men realistikos, alla, kyriws, einai endeiktikos. Kai einai endeiktikos ston prosanatolismo poy dinoyme oti qa prepei na ejantlhsoyme oles tis dynatothtes toy ellhnikoy kratoys, prokeimenoy na ajiopoihqei h dhmosia perioysia, poy - epanalambanw - me ayton ton tropo kai katoxyrwnetai h idiokthsia ths, h idiokthsia toy ellhnikoy kratoys mesa apo thn ajiopoihsh ths dhmosias perioysias, alla kai apoferei poly megala ofelh sth megalh prospaqeia poy kanei o ellhnikos laos gia thn aposbesh toy xreoys. Einai epibeblhmeno. Alla, anejarthta apo thn krish poy pername, h ajiopoihsh ayths ths perioysias qa eprepe oytws h allws na exei ginei. Ola ta alla, ws pros thn ejeidikeysh, safws kai qa perasoyn apo Ypoyrgiko Symboylio. Einai jekaqaro oti to qema ths dhmosias perioysias, apo to nomo kai to Syntagma einai armodiothta toy ypoyrgeioy Oikonomikwn. Ayto na to jeroyme. Alla stoixeia dhmosias perioysias einai skorpismena kai sthn armodiothta allwn ypoyrgeiwn. Synepws, xwris th synergeia allwn ypoyrgeiwn den qa mporoyse, oytws h allws, na ginei kai ajiopoihsh dhmosias perioysias. O stoxos mphke, einai stoxos ths kybernhshs. Mphke me ton pleon emblhmatiko kai nomimopoihmeno tropo. Apo ekei kai pera, ws pros thn ejeidikeysh, thn ylopoihsh alla kai tis diafores poy isws yparxoyn stis epimeroys stoxeyseis, safws to Ypoyrgiko Symboylio, oi ypoyrgoi, exoyn ton prwto logo, eidika otan afora tomeis ths armodiothtas toys.

PAPPA: Egine ek twn ysterwn, omws, to Ypoyrgiko Symboylio kai exei diatypwqei para poly megalh dysforia kai apo melh toy Ypoyrgikoy Symboylioy, gi' ayto.

PETALWTHS: Kaqoloy ek twn ysterwn. Kaneis den prokeitai na xasei oyte tis armodiothtes toy, oyte thn apofasistikh toy symbolh sthn ajiopoihsh ths dhmosias perioysias. Prwta ap' ola ta 50 dis - epanerxomai twra kai kakws, alla, en pash periptwsei epeidh rwthsate - anakoinwqhkan, aparadekta, apo thn troika. Synepws, akoloyqhqhke mia diadikasia gia thn opoia diamartyrhqhke h ellhnikh kybernhsh kai gi' ayto akribws den yphrxe kai prohgoymenh synennohsh me ta ypoyrgeia, opws qa ginotan. Alla, epanalambanw, o stoxos einai stoxos ths kybernhshs, sysswmhs. H kybernhsh exei organa kai dra syllogika. Ekfrazetai, aplws, apo toys armodioys ypoyrgoys. Armodios gia th dhmosia perioysia, gia th dhmosia gh, einai kat' ejoxhn o ypoyrgos Oikonomikwn. Kai opoy yparxoyn epimeroys armodiothtes qa exoyn apofasistiko rolo kai sthn ylopoihsh kai sto sxediasmo oi ypoyrgoi, opws oytws h allws exoyn kai mesa apo th Diypoyrgikh Epitroph Apokratikopoihsewn sthn opoia ekproswpoyntai ta ypoyrgeia poy prepei na ekproswpoyntai.

PAPPA: Mhpws h kybernhsh anagkazetai, loipon, na paei sth logikh twn 50 dis apokratikopoihsewn, giati apodeixthke oti h logikh toy mnhmonioy, telika, einai antiparagwgikh;

PETALWTHS: Den exei kamia sxesh to ena me to allo. Emeis toys stoxoys poy balame sto mnhmonio kai toys thrhsame kai toys throyme, giati einai aparaithth h thrhsh toys, einai aparaithta systatika gia na mporesoyme na bgoyme apo thn krish. Ektos oti exoyme kai mia symbatikh ypoxrewsh. Apo ekei kai pera, omws, einai logiko pws o,ti mporoyme na kanoyme pros wfeleia toy ellhnikoy Dhmosioy kai pros aposbesh toy xreoys, einai epibeblhmeno - oxi exoyme dikaiwma, einai epibeblhmeno - na to kanoyme. Kaqe ajiopoihsh ths dhmosias perioysias, h opoia ginetai, kaqe disekatommyrio eyrw poy qa mpainei, meiwnetai analogws kai to xreos ths xwras mas. Ara, einai diaforetiko to ena kai diaforetiko to allo. Kai an yparxoyn symplhrwmatikes draseis, symplhrwmatikes toy mnhmonioy kai olwn twn allwn drasewn, gia na aposbesqei to xreos mas, einai safes, jekaqaro kai aytonohto, oti emeis qa ths thrhsoyme aytes tis draseis, qa tis ylopoihsoyme kai qa tis ejetasoyme.

PAPPA: Entajei, tis throyme tis yposxeseis mas se sxesh me to mnhmonio. Alla sthn prajh den apodeiknyetai antiapotelesmatiko, otan blepoyme mia megalh yfesh toy 6,6%;

PETALWTHS: Twra mpainete se ena allo qema.

PAPPA: Einai synafes qema, omws, me to mnhmonio.

PETALWTHS: Oxi, kaqoloy synafes den einai.

PAPPA: Entelws synafes einai.

PETALWTHS: Oxi. Alla den mporw na antilhfqw th logikh oti ean kanoyme kati parapanw apo to mnhmonio, oti ara apetyxe. To mnhmonio exei enan sygkekrimeno stoxo. Einai mia daneiakh symbash. Epiteloys as to apodaimonopoihsoyme. Kai to leme edw kai poly kairo, kai to mnhmonio kai thn troika kai o,ti exei na kanei me ayth thn istoria. Einai mia daneiakh symbash. Eixame amesh anagkh, sthn katastash poy efere th xwra h N.D., gia na mhn ptwxeysoyme, gia na mporoyme na plhrwnoyme - gia allh mia fora anagkazomai na ta pw- gia na mhn apolesoyme th dynatothta na plhrwnoyme misqoys, syntajeis, nosokomeia kai sxoleia, na daneistoyme 110 dis eyrw. Ayta kaname. To mnhmonio einai h daneiakh symbash. Den einai oyte to Syntagma ths xwras, oyte einai to apan toy kosmoy. Einai ena meros ths drashs ths kybernhshs. Apo ekei kai pera yparxei ena terastio, ena eyry fasma, opoy h kybernhsh kineitai, kanei diarqrwtikes allages, pairnei megales apofaseis poy den exoyn kamia sxesh me to mnhmonio, exoyn omws sxesh me th swthria ths xwras. Giati emeis th blepoyme sfairika. Den arkei na bgoyme apo thn krish. Qa prepei na allajoyme kai th xwra. S' ayth thn kateyqynsh kai h ajiopoihsh ths dhmosias perioysias bohqa kai sthn ejodo apo thn krish, alla kai sthn allagh ths xwras. Giati allagh ths xwras einai na katagrafetai, epiteloys, h terastia akinhth perioysia toy dhmosioy, poy mexri twra htan akatagrapth kai th lymainontan diafora symferonta. Allagh ths xwras einai oles oi megales apofaseis poy pairnoyme. Ayto den shmainei oti apetyxe to mnhmonio.

SIDERHS: H kybernhsh exei enhmerwsh gia to qema Mpoyrgkas-Alejandroypolh, giati feretai h rwsikh pleyra ayrio na anakoinwnei ton termatismo toy;

PETALWTHS: Yparxoyn plhrofories, perimenoyme, omws, na yparjoyn apofaseis, prokeimenoy na gnwstopoihqei h epishmh stash ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs.

SIDERHS: Einai ikanopoihmenh h kybernhsh, dedomenoy oti o k. Papandreoy eixe milhsei gia anaqewrhsh ths symbashs.

PETALWTHS: Prwta ap' ola, oi fhmes - epanalambanw fhmes einai, den einai tipote allo - den exoyn sxesh me thn ellhnikh pleyra, exoyn sxesh me th rwsikh pleyra. Synepws, as perimenoyme na doyme prwta tis apofaseis ths rwsikhs pleyras. Oytws h allws, h dikh mas topoqethsh einai pagia.

TZANETTATOS: Qewreite oti telika qa breqei lysh sto zhthma ths epimhkynshs toy xronoy apoplhrwmhs twn ellhnikwn daneiwn kai an akomh qewreite oti qa breqei kai lysh sto zhthma ths krishs xreoys ths eyrwzwnhs;

PETALWTHS: Emeis, s' ayth th syzhthsh gia thn epimhkynsh ths apoplhrwmhs toy xreoys twn 110 dis eyrw, eimaste qetikoi. Ennoeitai oti ergazomaste pros ayth thn kateyqynsh mazi me toys etairoys mas. Omws, ta genikotera zhthmata ths krishs xreoys ths eyrwzwnhs - kai ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs, qa elega, synolikotera - einai zhthmata poy apasxoloyn hdh kai qa apasxolhsoyn bebaia me pio entatikoys ryqmoys oloys toys etairoys ths eyrwzwnhs kai ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs. Ws gnwston, qa pragmatopoihqoyn dyo Synodoi Koryfhs - to taktiko Eyrwpaiko Symboylio stis 25 Martioy kai mia ektakth Synodos stis 11 Martioy - opoy qa kriqoyn polla kai shmantika zhthmata. Emeis qeloyme ws Ellada, ws xwra, na yparjei mia apofash gia enan monimo mhxanismo staqerothtas gia tis xwres poy antimetwpizoyn krish xreoys, giati kati tetoio enisxyei kai to idio to eyrw. Molonoti, se ena poly megalo pososto, emeis exoyme trabhjei ton diko mas dromo anagkastika, giati eprepe na swsoyme th xwra apo thn xreokopia, mas endiaferei na yparjei mia synolikh lysh, ena paketo synoliko, dioti bohqaei oles tis xwres ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs.

TZANETTATOS: Eiste aisiodojos pros ayth thn kateyqynsh;

PETALWTHS: Apo th stigmh poy yparxoyn diergasies - ej alloy, h aisiodojia den exei nohma sthn prokeimenh periptwsh - h anagkaiothta qa prepei na einai ekpefrasmenh, etsi wste pragmatika na yparjei mia apofash poy qa apobei pros ofelos olwn twn xwrwn, akomh kai twn xwrwn poy den exoyn problhma xreoys.

SPANOY: Mporeite na mas peite, epeidh plhsiazoyn oi meres, me poia qesh qa proselqei o Prwqypoyrgos sth synanthsh toy me thn ka Merkel, se sxesh me to symfwno antagwnistikothtas;

PETALWTHS: Ayth th stigmh den mporw na ypeiselqw se leptomereies, gia mia qesh poy diamorfwnetai. Fysika, h qesh mas qa gnwstopoihqei ston preponta xrono.

SEGKOS: Ep' aytoy: Qa hqela na epimeinw gia th qesh ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs, oxi toso oson afora tis protaseis h ta metra poy qa perilambanei, giati qa moy peite oti den exoyn katateqei oi protaseis, na perimenoyme na sygkekrimenopoihqoyn. Wstoso, an symfwnei h ellhnikh kybernhsh me th basikh filosofia toy symfwnoy antagwnistikothtas, dhladh oti pera apo th diaxeirish toy xreoys kai to dhmosionomiko problhma, qa prepei na yparxei enas syntonismos, enas koinos bhmatismos kai stis legomenes diarqrwtikes allages poy aforoyn thn antagwnistikothta, opws einai, gia paradeigma, h agora ergasias.

PETALWTHS: Genikws, monon, mporw na sas apanthsw: Pepoiqhsh mas einai oti qa prepei na yparxei syntonismos. Enas syntonismos twn eyrwpaikwn xwrwn, h legomenh ``oikonomikh diakybernhsh'' ths Eyrwphs (h eyrwpaikh oikonomikh diakybernhsh) poy qa lambanei, omws, yp' och oles tis epimeroys anagkaiothtes twn eyrwpaikwn xwrwn. Oi diarqrwtikes allages poy qa ginoyn se oles tis xwres, den mporei na einai koines kai orizonties, mias kai kaqe xwra exei tis dikes ths idiaiterothtes. Aytes tis idiaiterothtes kai na hqele kaneis, den qa mporoyse na tis parakamcei kai na tis yperbei. Poly perissotero otan kaqe xwra qelei na prostateysei th dikh ths koinwnikh synoxh, toys dikoys ths qesmoys, mesa omws se ena sygkekrimeno plaisio, to opoio qa bohqa oles tis eyrwpaikes xwres na bgoyn apo thn krish. Alla oti qa prepei na orisqoyn politikes, ypo tis proanaferqeises proypoqeseis, poy qa odhgoyn se diarqrwtikes allages, ayto einai dedomeno. Pantws - kai den prepei na to jexname - kaqe xwra exei tis dikes ths idiaiterothtes.

BLABIANOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, qa hqela na rwthsw an tiqetai qema syzhthshs gia hlektrodothsh twn ellhnikwn nhsiwn apo toyrkikes epixeirhseis sto plaisio ths apeleyqerwshs agoras energeias poy fainetai oti zhta h troika.

PETALWTHS: Einai dedomeno oti to reyma sta nhsia parexetai apo staqmoys ths DEH. Wstoso, yparxei diaboyleysh gia enan kwdika promhqeias apo idiwtikes etaireies, oi opoies omws einai dedomeno oti to reyma poy qa pairnoyn qa einai kai pali apo reyma ths DEH. Ayto einai jekaqaro. Kai fysika, thn apeleyqerwsh energeias den th zhta h troika. H apeleyqerwsh ths energeias einai ena zhthma to opoio mas afora ws xwra, gi' ayto akribws kai ginontai para poly prosektika bhmata. Allo an tiqetai ws zhthma ejodoy apo thn krish.

ZAFEIRIADOY: Kyrie Ekproswpe, xqes, apo to bhma ths Boylhs, o yfypoyrgos Oikonomikwn k. Saxinidhs paradexqhke oti apo to 2001 mexri kai to 2010 ta stoixeia poy edine to Geniko Logisthrio toy Kratoys stoys proypologismoys ths genikhs kybernhshs htan tyxaia. Ean ayto isxyei, peran toy oti afora kai ena poly mikro meros ths dikhs sas kybernhshs, afora omws kai ena megalo meros ths kybernhshs Shmith, hqela na rwthsw pws einai dynaton na mila h kybernhsh gia mia Ejetastikh gia ta parapoihmena stoixeia poy estelne h N.D. kai na mhn phgainoyme ligo enwritera, ef' oson htan kai entos toy kratoys parapoihmena.

PETALWTHS: Prospaqw na dw se poio eyros qa anakalycoyme akomh ti kako exei kanei to PASOK kai posa kala exei kanei h N.D.! Prwta ap' ola, ekeino poy exw na sas pw einai oti ayth h kybernhsh, h kybernhsh toy PASOK, htan h prwth h opoia eipe ``terma ta parapoihmena stoixeia''. Kai apodedeigmena parapoihmena stoixeia edine h N.D. Kai den ta edine mono stoys etairoys mas kai gia kapoio skopo - ypotiqetai - eqniko. Ta edine kai stoys Ellhnes polites. Kai ayto ginotan mexri kai dyo meres prin apo tis ekloges toy Oktwbrh toy 2009, opoy to elleimma jekinoyse apo 4%, mas to efqasan dyo meres prin apo tis ekloges toy 2009 sto 6% - epishmh kybernhtikh qesh ths N.D. - otan ek twn ysterwn apodeixqhke pws to elleimma htan 15%. Ayto den einai aplws parapoihsh kapoiwn stoixeiwn tyxaiwn, ayto einai pragmatika mia egklhmatikh prajh, giati me bash ta stoixeia orizontai kai oi politikes. Kai den milaw mono gia thn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh, gia th stash mas apenanti sthn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh.

Alla otan h N.D. edine ta stoixeia ``maimoy'', gia paradeigma, ths anergias, otan mesa stoys anergoys den symperilambanontan osoi ergazontan me to mesaiwniko kaqestws stage kai elege oti aytoi den hsan anergoi, enw sthn oysia hsan, otan me mia wra doyleias thn ebdomada kapoios den eqewreito anergos, tote kai oi politikes kata ths anergias htan analogws xamhloterhs poiothtas, giati den apotypwnontan ta swsta stoixeia.

Emeis hrqame kai eipame oti ``terma aytes oi maimoydies'', opoy pragmatika h N.D. ekane diatribh! Kai to kaname giati, prwtistws, to ofeilame ston ellhniko lao. Kai to apotelesma einai ayto poy blepoyme shmera.

Den qa ypeiselqw sta osa eipe o k. Saxinidhs, giati den gnwrizw epakribws tis dhlwseis toy. Pantws, ean anaferqhke sto 2010, anaferqhke giati mesa sto 2010 anamorfwqhke h anejarthtopoihsh ths Statistikhs Yphresias. Malista einai toso enisxymenh qesmika, poy kaneis, sto mellon, den qa mporei na mpei ston peirasmo na alloiwsei statistika stoixeia, poy qa exoyn amesh sxesh me tis politikes mas.

GARGALAKOS: Ws gnwston, exei jekinhsei mia eisaggelikh ereyna sxetika me th xrhmatodothsh twn MKO kai malista blepw kata kairoys dhmosieymata - kai shmera yphrxe ena tetoio - poy epixeirei na emplejei kai th qhteia toy Prwqypoyrgoy sto YPEJ ws kapws ypopth, sxetika me th xrhmatodothsh twn MKO. Pws sxoliazetai to gegonos;

PETALWTHS: Otan analabame th diakybernhsh ths xwras, leitoyrgoyse mia yphresia sto YPEJ h opoia diaxeirizotan kondylia poy aforoysan tis MKO, oxi aplws me tropo adiafanh alla me tropo o opoios pragmatika htan skandalwdhs. Yparxoyn ploysia stoixeia kai o armodios eisaggeleas poy dienergei thn ereyna qa exei thn eykairia na dei poios akribws xrhsimopoihse th xrhmatodothsh aytwn twn MKO, poiwn MKO, me poio tropo kai gia poioys skopoys. Ekei pragmatika nomizw oti kapoioi qa xasoyn ton ypno toys. Ayto poy ekane kai ofeile na kanei h kybernhsh toy PASOK me to poy anelabe th diakybernhsh einai na stamathsei, na pagwsei ola ta epomena programmata poy kanonika qa eprepe na prokhryxqoyn kai qa htan nomima, gia na mhn yparjei paromoio qema sto mellon kai gia na jekaqarisei oti palio yphrxe. Eginan mono ekeines oi kataboles, opws eixe th symbatikh ypoxrewsh to ellhniko kratos kai ayto malista oristhke me egkyklio toy armodioy gia ta qemata ayta yfypoyrgoy Ejwterikwn Sp. Koybelh. Gi' ayton akribws ton logo den egkriqhkan nea programmata anaptyjiakhs bohqeias - ypotiqetai - poy pernoyse mesa apo thn yphresia Dieqnoys Anaptyjiakhs Synergasias toy YPEJ, mia yphresia h opoia pragmatika epi N.D. leitoyrghse san ``plynthrio''. Kai gia ayto akribws einai anoixta ta panta pros diereynhsh gia na doyme poios kai pws xrhsimopoioyse aytes tis MKO.

ZAFEIRIADOY: Kyrie Ekproswpe, yparxoyn plhrofories apo tis Bryjelles, tis opoies zhtw na mas epibebaiwsete h na diaceysete oti h ellhnikh pleyra zhtaei na mhn ginetai ayth h perifhmh synenteyjh Typoy ths troika, kaqe fora poy oloklhrwnetai o elegxos kai malista otan rwthqhke o ypoyrgos Oikonomikwn pws qa enhmerwnomaste emeis, eipe oti mporei na kanei o Oli Ren apo tis Bryjelles. Qa htan kalytero gia mas thn epomenh fora, oi ypodeijeis na erxontai apo tis Bryjelles kai oxi entos ths xwras;

PETALWTHS: Ypodeijeis den dexomaste apo kanenan. Kai otan yphrje entono to stoixeio ths ypodeijhs, yphrje kai h analogh stash ths kybernhshs, asxetws an kapoioi gia toys dikoys toys logoys qeloyn na thn loidorhsoyn oti htan metamesonyktia. Makari tetoies metamesonykties apofaseis kai anakoinwseis na ebgaze kai h N.D. otan htan kybernhsh h kai polles kybernhseis sto parelqon. Tote den qa fqaname edw. To qema einai h oysia: Poios kai pote bgazei aytes tis apofaseis.

Emeis exoyme apodeijei oti yparxoyn oria kai ta oria ayta ta ypodeiknyoyme me ton pio emprakto tropo stoys etairoys mas kai sthn troika kai ayto kaname. To pws qa ginontai oi synenteyjeis einai ena texniko zhthma. Ayto poy mporw na sas pw einai oti tetoioy eidoys synenteyjeis opoy qa ginontai tetoioy eidoys parembaseis sta eswterika ths xwras mas, den prokeitai na yparjoyn. Ayto einai jekaqaro. Qa prepei oloi mas na analogistoyme tis eyqynes mas etsi wste toys ekproswpoys twn organismwn, twn forewn, twn pistwtwn mas ths troikas na mhn toys hrwopoioyme, zhtwntas toys synenteyjeis h prospaqwntas na toys proballoyme ws kyriarxoys enos paixnidioy poy safws den einai. H ellhnikh kybernhsh , apofasistika ekane to kaqhkon ths kai fysika qa synexisei na to kanei se aythn thn kateyqynsh.

Sas eyxaristw.

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