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Pempth, 21 Oktwbrioy 2010

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KYBERNHTIKOS EKPROSWPOS

Aqhna, 21 Oktwbrioy 2010

GIWRGO PETALWTH

Kalo meshmeri.

Xqes diejhxqh edw, sto xwro ths Genikhs Grammateias mia idiaitera shmantikh ekdhlwsh apo to ypoyrgeio Perifereiakhs Anaptyjhs gia thn epixeirhmatikothta twn newn anqrwpwn, me kainotomes idees. Einai h prwth seira paromoiwn ekdhlwsewn, poy aposkopoyn sthn allhlokatanohsh kai thn empedwsh sxesewn amoibaias empistosynhs metajy twn epixeirhmatiwn kai ths Politeias.

H synanthsh ayth shmatodotei kai to pneyma ths kybernhshs. Th dikh mas antilhch gia to ti shmainei ygihs epixeirhmatikothta, me epikentro ton anqrwpo kai to blemma strammeno sto mellon.

Den epiqymoyme thn anaptyjh panw se saqres baseis toy parelqontos me tis astoxes ews ypoptes epidothseis, me th daidalwdh kai apotreptikh grafeiokratia, poy telika pasxei apo elleich oramatos kai moiraia apobainei proskairh. Antiqeta, eimaste apofasismenoi na ayjhsoyme kai na enisxysoyme shmantika thn anaptyjh, panw omws se sterees, ygieis kai jekaqares baseis. Ekei aposkopei h entonh prospaqeia poy kataballoyme gia thn ejygiansh kai toy dhmosioy tomea, wste na mporei o kaqe poliths kai o epixeirhmatias na leitoyrgei mesa se ena jekaqaro kai diafano plaisio.

Enisxyoyme thn epixeirhmatikothta poy qa basizetai sthn kainotomia kai ton anqrwpokentrismo, thn epixeirhmatikothta poy erxetai na kalycei yparktes kai pragmatikes anagkes twn politwn. Sthn prospaqeia ayth h kybernhsh xrhsimopoiei ola ta xrhmatodotika ergaleia poy diaqetei, tonizontas th boylhsh ths na strecei to anaptyjiako montelo pros th biwsimothta, thn kainotomia kai thn oysiastikh kalych twn pragmatikwn anagkwn twn politwn.

Parakalw gia tis erwthseis sas.

POLYMEROS: Prin apo merika eikositetrawra o k. Karatzaferhs proteine thn prowrh prosfygh stis kalpes kai thn anagkh dhmioyrgias sygkybernhsewn, eite oikoymenikwn, eite kybernhsewn apo ta dyo kommata ejoysias. To idio proeblece kai h g.g. toy KKE k. Paparhga. Skeftetai ena apo ta dyo endexomena h kybernhsh;

PETALWTHS: Einai jekaqaro, to exoyme pei polles fores. Se ayth th dyskolh sygkyria gia th xwra mas, yparxei mia staqerh kybernhsh. H pio apofasistikh kai tolmhrh kybernhsh poy yphrje. Mexri twra ta apotelesmata mas akribws antanaklwntai kai sto ti lene oi etairoi mas sto ejwteriko, alla kai sto ti katanoei o ellhnikos laos ws pros thn antimetwpish mas se sxesh me thn xreokopia ths xwras kai me tis prooptikes poy dinoyme ga th swthria ths patridas mas. Oi sygkybernhseis den mas aforoyn. Den mas afora tipote allo apo th laikh entolh poy exoyme gia na mporesoyme na paroyme ekeines tis tolmhres apofaseis, etsi wste na jefygoyme apo th krish kai na mhn breqoyme, kyriws, jana sthn idia katastash. Aytoi einai oi stoxoi poy bazoyme kai toys throyme aparegklita. Ola ta alla einai mia parafilologia poy den exei kamia sxesh me tis pragmatikes politikes anagkes, alla profanws me tis diaqeseis kai tis boylhseis kapoiwn allwn.

SEGKOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, den einai toylaxiston faidro na leei o idios o Prwqypoyrgos sth troika ``mexri edw'', otan h kybernhsh exei syndiamorfwsei oyte ena, oyte dyo, alla tria paketa metrwn mazi me thn troika; Mhpws aytes oi antistaseis qa pesoyn amesws meta tis ekloges;

PETALWTHS: O Prwqypoyrgos kai h kybernhsh exei qesei to plaisio sto opoio kineitai. Den politeyomaste me bash thn troika. Politeyomaste me bash to dhmosio symferon kai mono. Kai fysika ayto to yphretoyme se ola ta epipeda. H synergasia mas me toys jenoys etairoys einai aparaithth. Ekei omws poy, pragmatika, dinoyme logariasmo kai apologoymaste, einai ston ellhniko lao ton opoio ofeiloyme na enhmerwnoyme gia to plaisio twn kinhsewn mas. Ayto ekane kai o Prwqypoyrgos, o opoios bazontas kai to plaisio, akribws dinei kai thn eikona, th megalh eikona pros ton polith, ti akribws kanoyme ws kybernhsh, mexri pio shmeio ftanoyme kai kyriws poies einai oi prooptikes gia th xwra mas, jepernwntas, katarxhn thn daneiakh krish kai apo ekei kai pera kanontas tis megales allages. Ayto prepei na to gnwrizei o ellhnikos laos kai ayto kanoyme ws kybernhsh.

KOYTRAS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, eyqynetai kapoios apo th kybernhsh gia th mataiwsh ths ependyshs ston Astako;

PETALWTHS: Einai safes oti htan mia idiwtikh ependysh, ena konsortsioym to opoio, akribws, qa ylopoioyse ayth thn idiwtikh ependysh. Emeis ws politeia kaname ta panta, etsi wste na yparxei ena staqero, ependytiko, periballon sebomeno toys nomoys toy kratoys, qetontas ola ta stoixeia: anaptyjiaka, periballontika, koinwnika, oikonomika. Apo ekei kai pera kai shmera an parakoloyqhsei kaneis tis dhlwseis metajy twn melwn toy konsortsioym aytoy, qa diapistwsei oti yphrxe mia epixeirhmatikh dyspragia, mia asynennohsia h diaforetikh optikh se epixeirhmatiko epipedo, sto opoio fysika oyte mporoyme, oyte exoyme dikaiwma na paremboyme. Alla h kybernhsh, ayto poy kanei kai to kanei me poly megalh sobarothta kai exei kai amesh sxesh me to oti shmera syzhteitai sthn epitroph ths Boylhs o nomos gia to fast track, dhladh gia tis grhgores ependyseis, dhmioyrgei ena periballon kai mia nomoqesia, h opoia mexri twra htan apagoreytikh gia tis megales kai gia tis jenes ependyseis.

KOYTRAS: Poios eyqynetai, apo kybernhtikhs apochs, poy o Giwrgos Papandreoy, thn Paraskeyh, apanthse ston Alejh Tsipra, oti h ependysh qa ginei kai malista aneptyje ta ofelh ths;

PETALWTHS: O Prwqypoyrgos, G. Papandreoy, apanthse me ta dedomena poy eixame ekeinh th stigmh kai fysika periegrace olo to plaisio ayths ths ependyshs. Den yparxei eyqynh kanenos, giati apanthse me th deoysa sobarothta kai thn plhroforhsh poy yphrxe mexri tote. Einai gnwsto oti h epistolh apo to Katar hrqe argotera, hrqe thn epomenh ebdomada. Kai fysika o Prwqypoyrgos periegrace kai to plaisio, to opoio diasfalizoyme gia tis ependyseis. Den mporoyme na meinoyme se mia ependysh h opoia mataiwqhke. Isa, isa me to Katar yparxei mellon sth synergasia mas. Kai fysika ean yparjei ayth h politikh boylhsh, h opoia yparxei kai synexizei na ylopoieitai - kai emeis qa thn ylopoioyme - milame gia tis apo edw kai pera ependyseis. Kai fysika h politikh mas, oyte syndeetai, oyte ejantleitai se mia mono ependysh me to epixeirhmatiko risko poy exei gia aytoys poy thn kanoyn.

TSAKIRHS: Mhpws, telika, den htan mono asynennohsia twn etairiwn aytwn ston Astako, alla einai kai asynennohsia metajy ths kybernhshs; Eseis xqes mas eipate oti eixame nayagio giati den ta brhkan oi italikes etairies me toy Katar. O k. Koybelhs sas dieceyse legontas oti den yphrxe emplokh me thn italikh pleyra. Telika ti isxyei apo ola ayta;

PETALWTHS: O k. Koybelhs den me dieceyse. Jerw poly kala kai ti eipa kai tis dhlwseis toy k. Koybelh. O k. Koybelhs eipe ayto poy eipa kai egw xqes, oti prokeitai gia mia idiwtikh epixeirhsh. Fysika yparxei ena epixeirhmatiko risko - ayto htan to nohma twn legomenwn toy, exw tis akribeis dhlwseis toy - kai fysika h mataiwsh prohrqe apo diafwnia metajy twn idiwtwn poy symmetexoyn se ayth th symfwnia.

TSAKIRHS: Syggnwmh. Eseis eipate xqes oti h mataiwsh ofeiletai se diafwnia ths italikhs kai ths pleyras twn Arabwn. O k. Koybelhs eipe to antiqeto. Eipe oti den yphrxe problhma apo th pleyra ths Italias. Kai malista kai h k. Mpirmpilh, eipe oti oysiastika htan aproetoimasth h katastash gia mia tetoia ependysh.

PETALWTHS: H k. Mpirmpilh den eipe ayto. Gnwrizoyme para poly kala ti eipe. H oysia einai h ejhs: Yphrxe emplokh anamesa stoys idiwtes poy symmetexoyn se ayto to konsortsioym. To ellhniko kratos ekane ayto poy eprepe na kanei. Akoloyqhse tis entoles toy Prwqypoyrgoy gia th dhmioyrgia staqeroy ependytikoy periballontos kai ayto ekane kai ayto qa kanei. To na prospaqoyme na bgaloyme diafwnies metajy ypoyrgwn apo ekei poy den yparxoyn, safws kai den bohqoyn kanenan.

ALEIFEROPOYLOS: Na sas to qesw alliws kyrie Ekproswpe. Xqes, o ypoyrgos Epikrateias, k. Pampoykhs milwntas se armodia epitroph sth Boylh, eipe aytolejei sas to lew ``parasyrqhkame giati eixame na kanoyme me sobares etairies''. Kai to erwthma einai toso kako - einai profanws- to oikonomiko periballon poy eykola enas ypoyrgos poy xeirizetai to fast truck, mia poly shmantikh apofash ths kybernhshs gia thn oikonomia kai synolikotera gia th xwra, parasyretai toso eykola;

PETALWTHS: O k. Pampoykhs dhlwse, kai ayto ennooyse fysika, oti oi etairies me tis opoies eixame na kanoyme, htan ajiopistes. Alla, fysika epeidh symplhrwse kai alla polla, ektos apo ayta poy eipate, to nohma htan oti to kratos ekane ayto poy eprepe na kanei, oi etairies, omws, epelejan enan diko toys dromo.

MIXAHL: Kyrie Ekproswpe, mas eipate allo ayth h ependysh poy telika den proxwraei kai mas dwsate ejhghsh giati den proxwraei kai allo to mnhmonio me thn kybernhsh toy Katar. Ean den apatwmai sto mnhmonio ayto me thn kybernhsh toy Katar, problepetai takta xronika diasthmata na synedriazei mia koinh diypoyrgikh epitroph.

PETALWTHS: Qa synedriasei kai syntoma.

MIXAHL: Mporeite na mas anakoinwsete pote;

PETALWTHS: Qa anakoinwqei pote akribws alla nomizw oti qa synedriasei ayrio.

KOYTRAS: Telika, poios einai anajiopistos, oi etairies, to Katar, giati o k. Pampoykhs milhse gia mh sobares etairies, o k. Koybelhs shmera milhse gia anajiopistoys synomilhtes.

PETALWTHS: An prospaqeite na bgalete diafores apo ta idia lexqenta, einai qema toy pws to ejhgei kaqenas.

KOYTRAS: Oxi, den einai ta idia lexqenta.

PETALWTHS: Egw den qa milhsw gia anajiopistia. Egw kai eipa kai eqesa to plaisio oti to kratos ekane me to parapanw ayto poy eprepe na kanei. Kai prwth fora blepoyme me tosh sobarothta ta zhthmata twn ependysewn. Apo ekei kai pera, oi idiwtikes ependyseis exoyn ta eswterika toys, exoyn ta riska toys kai fysika akoloyqoyn to dromo poy qeloyn na akoloyqhsoyn.

KOYTRAS: Biasthkate na qriambologhsete gia thn ependysh h oxi; Exei kapoios eyqynh poy den egine h ependysh h ftaine mono oi idiwtikes etairies;

PETALWTHS: To exw pei kai to epanalambanw. To kratos ekane ta kalytera poy qa mporoyse na kanei. Kai to kratos ayth th stigmh to ekproswpei h kybernhsh.

ALEIFEROPOYLOS: Na paw se ena allo qema. Mhpws telika parasyrqhke h kybernhsh sto gegonos oti jekinhse mia mystikh diplwmatia metajy ths Aqhnas kai ths Agkyras gia th diaxeirish toy enaerioy xwroy kai th meiwsh twn entasewn apo pleyras Toyrkias kai opws apokalyptoyn shmera ``TA NEA'' me entolh toy Prwqypoyrgoy stamathse ayth h diaboyleysh, h mystikh diplwmatia, giati oi ajiwseis ths toyrkikhs pleyras, ths Agkyras htan toylaxiston yperbolikes.

PETALWTHS: Ws pros ayto to qema, hdh o ekproswpos toy ypoyrgeioy Ejwterikwn k. Delabekoyras exei kanei ekteneis anakoinwseis. Egw qa hqela na epanalabw oti den yparxei kamia mystikh diapragmateysh, oti den antapokrinontai sthn pragmatikothta osa ferontai oti eginan me mystikes diapragmateyseis kai fysika, oti oi qeseis ths ellhnikhs pleyras einai pantote jekaqares. Kai o ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn k. Droytsas, milwntas shmera se mia ekpomph eipe, kai to eipe poly xarakthristika, oti oson afora sta kyriarxika mas dikaiwmata, den dexomaste oyte gratzoynia. Ayto einai jekaqaro kai fysika h kokkinh grammh einai safestath kai jekaqarh edw kai xronia.

SPANOY: Sto prosxedio toy Proypologismoy problepontai kapoia esoda apo prostima se idiokthtes ayqairetwn. Wstoso, h k. Mpirmpilh xqes sto ``Flash'', eipe oti den prokeitai na ginei taktopoihsh typoy hmiypaiqriwn. Ti akribws symbainei; Den einai enhmerwmenh h k. Mpirmpilh;

PETALWTHS: Fysika, h k. Mpirmpilh einai enhmerwmenh ws synarmodia ypoyrgos. Apo ekei kai pera, safws kai den problepetai na yparxei taktopoihsh genikws twn ayqairetwn. Alla, opws gnwrizoyme, yparxei mia nomoqesia poy epiballei prostima gia thn anegersh toys, me mia typikh diadikasia.

SEGKOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, ti ajia mporei na exei gia toys misqwtoys kai toys syntajioyxoys, h diabebaiwsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy oti den qa qigoyn allo, otan hdh etoimazetai to eniaio misqologio poy perikoptei akomh perissotero misqoys kai epidomata. Erxetai nea ayjhsh toy FPA. Menei na doyme pws qa prosdioristei ayto. Erxontai nees ayjhseis sta timologia kai twn DEKO kai twn astikwn sygkoinwniwn kai hdh exete proanaggeilei neo maxairi stis dapanes gia thn ygeia kai ta asfalistika tameia.

PETALWTHS: Na epanalabw gia allh mia fora oti den qa yparjoyn nea metra. Einai poly koinotypo pleon kai to leme kaqhmerina. Oi apofaseis poy lambanoyme, einai apofaseis gia ejorqologismo, einai gia meiwsh ths spatalhs. Akribws ayto kanoyme kai sthn ygeia kai sta asfalistika tameia. Ean, to na perikoptoyme th spatalh kai thn asydosia, ta onomazete ``nea metra'', tote aytes oi apofaseis pragmatika qa ylopoihqoyn. Alla qa ylopoihqoyn gia perikoph kai mono ths spatalhs, etsi wste ayta ta xrhmata na epistrecoyn sthn ygeia, na epistrecoyn kai sta asfalistika tameia, alla na epistrecoyn ekei poy pragmatika qa mporei na enisxyqei kai prepei na enisxyqei h dhmosia ygeia. Oson afora sto eniaio misqologio einai zhtoymeno edw kai para polla xronia, edw kai dekaeties. Kai fysika, ayth einai apofash mas, epiteloys, gia na yparxei mia isothta, mia isotimh antimetwpish twn dhmosiwn ypallhlwn apo to kratos kai na stamathsoyn aytes oi gnwstes katastaseis, opoy anqrwpoi me ta idia prosonta h akomh kai megalytera prosonta, na ameibontai poly ligotero apo kapoioys alloys dhmosioys ypallhloys. Aytos o anorqologismos poy yparxei sto ellhniko dhmosio kai sto ellhniko kratos, qa stamathsei. Kai mia apo tis shmantikes kai tolmhres apofaseis poy lambanoyme, einai kai to eniaio misqologio, to opoio, fysika, qa to efarmosoyme me gnwmona to dhmosio symferon kai fysika, me thn proypoqesh, kai ayto einai jekaqaro, oti den qa qigei kanenas dhmosios ypallhlos. Alla o ejorqologismos einai aparaithtos na ginei, gia na stamathsoyn aytes oi poly megales anisothtes poy blepoyme metajy twn dhmosiwn ypallhlwn.

LASKARATOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, qa hqela to sxolio sas, se mia parembash poy eixame to prwi toy Qanoy Mikroytsikoy sto radiofwno toy ``ANTENNA''. Dhlwse, oti an mporesei qa forodiafygei. Kai to aitiologhse legontas oti plhrwnei to 55% twn esodwn toy, oti ginetai partener enas anypolhptos foreas opws einai to kratos, giati den toy prosferei nosokomeiakh periqalch, ton ypoxrewnei na kineitai se kakoys dromoys, ton ypoxrewnei na phgainei ta paidia toy se idiwtiko sxoleio kai ton yperforologei epeidh den mporei na piasei th forodiafygh. Kai ayto to systhma einai saqro. Kai to erwthma moy einai, pws qelete na pistecei o Ellhnas poliths oti qa kataferei na ta allajei ola ayta h kybernhsh, ta opoia pragmati yparxoyn, an den mporei na peistei enas anqrwpos o opoios exei yphrethsei kata to parelqon tis kybernhseis toy PA.SO.K.

PETALWTHS: Prwta ap` ola, ennoeitai oti den qa sxoliasw to ti eipe o Qanos Mikroytsikos ton opoio ektimw, alla einai dikh toy apoch. Ekeino to opoio mporoyme na poyme, einai oti o Ellhnas poliths blepei pragmatika tis poly megales allages tis opoies prospaqoyme na kanoyme kai tis opoies efarmozoyme mesa se ayth th dyskolh oikonomikh sygkyria. Tis paqogeneies kai to pws zoyme kaqhmerina, tis gnwrizoyme. Alla, edw sthn Ellada yparxei kai nosokomeiakh periqalch kai dhmosia ekpaideysh kai den ypoxrewnetai kanenas na paei sthn idiwtikh ekpaideysh. Kai fysika, h megalh pleiochfia toy ellhnikoy laoy kai twn ekpaideytikwn sthrizoyn to dhmosio xarakthra ths ekpaideyshs. Einai, oytws h allws, ypoxrewsh toy kratoys. Oi elleiceis, oi paqogeneies kai oi agkylwseis prospaqoyn na antimetwpistoyn apo ayth thn kybernhsh se toso syntomo xroniko diasthma, opws den exoyn antimetwpistei pote.

ALEIFEROPOYLOS: Yparxei problhmatismos sthn kybernhsh gia tis aytodioikhtikes ekloges, gia tis ekloges poy erxontai, oti qa yparjei dhladh ena mhnyma dysareskeias se o,ti afora tis pieseis poy dexetai o ellhnikos laos, sthn prospaqeia gia thn ejodo apo thn krish. Yparxei aytos o problhmatismos; Dhladh, to syzhtate, kanete kapoies syskeceis me antikeimeno to mhnyma twn eklogwn;

PETALWTHS: Emeis exoyme dwsei to stigma aytwn twn eklogwn. To diakybeyma to exoyme pei para polles fores. Exoyme shmantikotates ekloges gia thn ellhnikh politikh zwh, ypo thn ennoia oti stis 7 Noembrh qa klhqei o ellhnikos laos na epilejei ekeinoys oi opoioi pisteyoyn sthn Topikh Aytodioikhsh, sthn aireth perifereia. Einai shmantikotates oi allages poy ginontai. Emeis milhsame gia epanastash toy ``Kallikrath'' kai ayto apo mono toy dinei to sobaro stigma poy exei na kanei me thn proodo ths xwras mas. Kai fysika, se kaqe periptwsh, o Prwqypoyrgos dinei to stigma. Kai h epilogh olwn mas einai h ejhs: H pame mprosta h pame pisw. Emeis exoyme epilejei na pame mprosta. Aytes einai oi prospaqeies poy kanoyme edw kai ena xrono. Se dyskoles synqhkes dhmioyrgoyme oles ekeines tis proypoqeseis poy qa mas bgaloyn apo thn krish, alla kai qa ginoyn megales allages kai mia eykairia einai kai o ``Kallikraths''. O ellhnikos laos ayto to katanoei.

SEGKOS: Ara, to diakybeyma ti qa afora; Qa afora ton ``Kallikrath'' h opws exei pei o idios o Prwqypoyrgos th synolikh poreia ths xwras, gia na katalaboyme kai ti phxh qetei h kybernhsh.

PETALWTHS: Phxh den bazoyme, ypo thn ennoia oti milame gia shmantikotates ekloges me safes politiko stigma, giati h aytodioikhsh einai meros ths politikhs zwhs. Kai exoyme pei para polles fores oti h epanastash toy ``Kallikrath'' anatrepei oxi mono ta ths aytodioikhshs, anatrepei kai thn kakh leitoyrgia toy kratoys, dhmioyrgei ena epiteliko kratos, teleiws diaforetiko apo ayto poy exoyme zhsei kai biwsei mexri twra. Alla kai to politiko systhma exei tis epidraseis toy giati epiteloys o poliths brisketai konta sto kentro twn apofasewn, symmetexei, yparxei oysiastikh apokentrwsh. Omws, kai mesa ston ``Kallikrath'' yparxoyn oles ekeines oi dikleides, oi opoies diasfalizoyn mia aytodioikhsh me megales armodiothtes kai me poroys kai me aytonomia apo to kentriko epiteliko kratos.

PAPPA: Par` ola ayta kyrie Ekproswpe, an yparjei politikh apodokimasia ths kybernhshs s` aytes tis ekloges, ti qa shmainei;

PETALWTHS: Ejartatai ti shmainei politikh apodokimasia.

PAPPA: Na xasete 7-8 monades.

PETALWTHS: Ayto poy mas endiaferei, einai na proxwrame se epiloges poy prowqoyn tis megales allages poy kanoyme. Epiloges poy tis katanooyn, poy tis sthrizoyn kai dinoyn kai th dynatothta ston Ellhna polith na symmetexei sthn politikh zwh ths xwras, mesa apo thn aireth perifereia, alla kai mesa apo teleiws diaforetikoys dhmoys.

TSAKIRHS: Qa hqela na sas rwthsw sxetika me ta osa eipe xqes o Prwqypoyrgos, an mporeite na mas dieykrinisete gia poioys forologikoys syntelestes miloyse, oti den qa peiraxqoyn, ektos apo tis desmeyseis, opws eipe, poy exoyme analabei. Poioys skopeyete na ayjhsete;

PETALWTHS: Yparxei mia syzhthsh. Einai ta gnwsta enallaktika senaria gia to FPA kai milame mono gia ekei. Den qa peiraxqoyn forologikoi syntelestes, to eipame kai xqes edw. Ayto einai dedomeno kai fysika ta enallaktika senaria poy yparxoyn gia to FPA, exoyn na kanoyn me to oti caxnoyme na broyme ton kalytero tropo, oytws wste na epibarynqoyn kata to ligotero dynaton, oi Ellhnes polites. Kai ayto einai shmantiko, giati gia apofaseis poy hdh exoyme parei, prospaqoyme na tis elafrynoyme, etsi wste na prostateysoyme to eisodhma toy aploy Ellhna polith. Kai apo edw kai pera, ennoeitai oti osa periqwria qa exoyme, qa ginetai ayto.

MIXAHL: Epibebaiwnete eseis tis plhrofories oti exei ginei symfwnia metajy Aqhnas kai Bryjellwn na anakoinwqei to elleimma meta ton deytero gyrw twn dhmotikwn eklogwn;

PETALWTHS: Ti synennohsh, dhladh;

MIXAHL: Yparxoyn shmera dhmosieymata, alla kai h kritikh poy ginetai kai apo th N.D. einai oti to elleimma poy exei diapistwsei h Eurostat einai megalytero kai den to anakoinwnei twra, gia na mhn dhmioyrghsei qema stis ekloges kai na prokycei meta tis ekloges, otan qa exei diamorfwqei to eklogiko apotelesma.

PETALWTHS: Prwta apo ola, h epejergasia twn statistikwn stoixeiwn ginetai apo th Eurostat. H N.D. exei sto myalo ths th statistikh yphresia, thn opoia xeiragwgoyse me ton xeirotero tropo, me apotelesma na ftasoyme edw. Den yparxei kanena tetoio qema. Ginetai h epejergasia, exoyme ejhghsei kai analysei pws ginetai ayth h epejergasia toy elleimmatos gia to 2009, dhladh gia to megalytero meros opoy kybernoyse h N.D. Kai fysika h N.D. krinei ej idiwn ta allotria. Emeis, omws, exoyme apodeijei, oti emeis zhthsame na exoyme mia anejarthth Statistikh Yphresia. Den fobomaste gia to ti qa apokalyfqei ws elleimma gia to 2009. Exoyme thn arxh oti mono me to na apotypwnoyme thn pragmatikothta kai na apokalyptetai h pragmatikothta, mporoyme na jeperasoyme ta opoia problhmata. Synepws, den exei kamia sxesh kai kamia bash ayto poy isxyrizetai h N.D. h opoios allos to isxyrizetai.

SPANOY: H N.D. gia mia akomh fora zhta apo th kybernhsh, dhladh apo thn hgesia toy Pentagwnoy, na dwsei onomata kai dieyqynseis gia to perifhmo ``parti'' twn ejoplismwn. Giati den to kanete;

PETALWTHS: H N.D. to zhtaei ayto; Den sxoliazw kai den apantw.

Sas eyxaristw.

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