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Pempth, 14 Oktwbrioy 2010

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KYBERNHTIKOS EKPROSWPOS

Aqhna, 14 Oktwbrioy 2010

KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY

APO TON KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO GIWRGO PETALWTH

Kalo meshmeri.

Parakoloyqoyme oloi mas, toys teleytaioys mhnes, thn antimnhmoniakh drash twn kommatwn ths antipoliteyshs kai kyriws ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs, ths N.D. Einai mia taktikh poy exei epilegei, eidika apo th N.D., me stoxo na egklwbisei toys polites se ena pantelws ceytiko dilhmma, ayto ths anagkaiothtas h mh toy mnhmonioy. Poly apla to aporriptei, proteinontas to perifhmo pleon ``allo migma politikhs'' me th gnwsth magikh syntagh ejaleichs twn elleimmatwn kai malista, xwris qysies toy ellhnikoy laoy. Afethria einai h paradoxh pws ola htan kalws kamwmena apo tis kybernhseis ths kai oti ola prohlqan apo thn oligomhnh diakybernhsh toy PA.SO.K. Ayto apotelei th megalyterh apopeira ejapathshs ths nohmosynhs twn Ellhnwn politwn. Kai fysika, einai kati gia to opoio o k. Samaras, akomh kai to idio toy to komma den mporei na peisei.

Emeis, qetoyme thn epitaktikh anagkh gia kati neo, epiteloys, sth xwra mas. Thn anagkh gia diafaneia, enantia stis nosogones katastaseis. Thn anagkh gia jekaqares sxeseis amoibaias kai kaqarhs logodosias kai elegxoy metajy kratoys kai politwn, anti ths synallaghs katw apo to trapezi. Thn anagkh anadeijhs twn eykairiwn, poy prokyptoyn apo thn krish poy biwnoyme kai oxi thn politikh lipotajia kai thn ek twn ysterwn kritikh. Thn anagkh gia anqrwpokentrikh biwsimh anaptyjh kai oxi mias anaptyjhs streblhs, me xarakthra epidomatiko, me epixorhghseis kai agones epidothseis se hmeteroys, xwris kanena nohma.

Ayth einai h pragmatikh diafora metajy ths shmerinhs kybernhshs toy PA.SO.K. kai ths antipoliteyshs. Kai ayth kaloyntai na krinoyn kai oxi mono me tis ekloges, oi polites. Einai h proodos, h boylhsh gia allages, h nea nootropia kai h diafaneia. Einai h Ellada poy erxetai kai bgainei mprosta, enantia sto piswgyrisma, th synthrhsh, tis paqogeneies, tis parwxhmenes taktikes kai nootropies ths Elladas toy xqes, poy mas odhghsan ws edw.

Ekei qa klhqoyn kai oi polites, stis ekloges poy mas erxontai, na epilejoyn. Ekei qa klhqoyn na antidrasoyn kai na apanthsoyn arnhtika s` aytes tis nootropies kai s` aytes tis taktikes poy qeloyn na gyrisoyme pisw, se oles aytes tis katastaseis poy mas odhghsan, mexri sto shmeio poy paredwse thn ejoysia h N.D.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

MIXAHL: Kyrie Ekproswpe, eidame th N.D. na qetei sto stoxastro ths entonhs kritikhs ths ton k. Papakwnstantinoy proswpika - moirase malista kai stoys boyleytes ths kai ena non paper- enw parallhla o ypoyrgos Oikonomikwn dexetai kai epikriseis apo stelexh toy PASOK gia thn oikonomikh politikh poy efarmozei. H kybernhsh ti apanta se aytes tis dyo katastaseis;

PETALWTHS: Prwta ap` ola, einai dyo teleiws diaforetika qemata. Exw pei kai to leme epaneilhmmenws oti oi boyleytes kai ta stelexh toy PASOK, ekfrazoyn thn agwnia toy ellhnikoy laoy, poy einai kai agwnia olwn mas. To ypoyrgeio Oikonomikwn, o ypoyrgos Oikonomikwn, omws, diaxeirizetai me ton kalytero tropo, stis pio dyskoles synqhkes poy qa mporoysan na yparxoyn, ta dyskola oikonomika ths xwras mas. Einai aytos kai olh h kybernhsh poy ebgale th xwra apo thn krish daneismoy, apo th megalh krish thn opoia mas paredwse h N.D. Mia kybernhsh poy odhghse th xwra mas sth swthria apo to xreos kanontas fysika megales allages. Odhgoyme th xwra sth swthria, prokeimenoy na mh zhsoyme pote jana paromoia krish. Apo ekei kai pera, h N.D. epilegei na stoxopoihsei pote ton idio ton Prwqypoyrgo, pote ton ypoyrgo Oikonomikwn kai alloys ypoyrgoys ths kybernhshs, giati akribws den exei politikh. Epeidh den mporei na arqrwsei politiko logo, den mporei na arqrwsei mia ajiopisth politikh protash, gi` ayto proxwra se stoxopoihseis proswpwn, se ybreis polles fores, mia taktikh, omws, h opoia einai akrws ektos politikhs logikhs. Kai fysika, to mono poy katafernei h N.D., einai na kanei zhmia sthn idia, giati anadeiknyei th gymnia ths.

MPEQANH: Hqela na sas rwthsw, epeidh doqhke xqes apo to ypoyrgeio Oikonomikwn o katalogos me tis 11 zhmiogones DEKO, se poia kateyqynsh qa kinhqei h ejygiansh toys kai ti epiptwseis qa exei ayth gia toys ergazomenoys. Qa thn plhrwsoyn kai pali oi aploi ergazomenoi h qa klhqoyn na plhrwsoyn aytoi poy prepei, dhladh, ta ``retire'', ta epidomata kai aytoi poy pairnoyn tis yperwries; Giati yparxei ayth h anhsyxia stoys ergazomenoys.

PETALWTHS: Prwta ap` ola, ayth th stigmh milame mono gia anakoinwseis poy aforoyn ton ejorqologismo twn DEKO. Den exoyn lhfqei apofaseis. Oi apofaseis poy qa lhfqoyn, qa exoyn gnwmona to dhmosio symferon. Den mporoyme na janagyrizoyme sta idia. Den mporoyme na gyrisoyme jana se DEKO, oi opoies eginan enas qalamos ypodoxhs roysfetiwn kai pelateiakwn sxesewn, apo toys ypoyrgoys ths N.D. Kai fysika, mia katastash zhmiogona gia ton idio ton ellhniko lao, mias poy polles apo aytes tis DEKO exoyn metatrapei, eidika apo th N.D., se ``mayres trypes'', opoy ``peftei'' dhmosio xrhma, xwris na yparxei kai h analogh paroxh yphresiwn. Milame, loipon, gia ejorqologismo twn DEKO. Ayto einai epitaktikh anagkh, eidika shmera kai einai ayto, akribws poy kanoyme. Ginetai meleth toy oloy zhthmatos, prokeimenoy na yparxoyn kai na lhfqoyn kai apofaseis. Ws pros toys ergazomenoys, kanenas aplos ergazomenos stis DEKO den exei na fobhqei tipote. H eidikh grammateia DEKO, omws, toy ypoyrgeioy Oikonomikwn hdh exei ekdwsei kapoia stoixeia, poy blepoyme oti oi misqoi se aytes tis DEKO einai polles fores diplasioi kai pollaplasioi twn analogwn misqwn ston idiwtiko tomea. Ayto den mporei na ginei anekto. Einai poly ychloi oi misqoi poy plhrwnontai apo ton ellhniko lao, xwris na yparxei h antistoixh symbolh stis yphresies. Gi` ayto milame gia ejorqologismo. Epanalambanw, gia allh mia fora, oti skopos se oles tis DEKO einai na mh xasei kaneis th doyleia toy. Kai eidika gia ton OSE, epeidh milame pio sygkekrimena to teleytaio diasthma, yparxei h diadikasia twn metatajewn, etsi wste kai th doyleia toys na mh xasoyn oi ergazomenoi, alla kai na kalyfqoyn anagkes sto dhmosio tomea, apo toys ergazomenoys aytoys, etsi wste na yparxei kalyterh roh paroxhs yphresiwn apo to dhmosio tomea.

XASAPOPOYLOS: Kyrie ypoyrge, milhsate gia ejorqologismo. Ti skeftetai h kybernhsh; Einai anoixth akomh kai h allagh twn syllogikwn symbasewn; Giati ston OSE, ola qa jekinhsoyn -etsi opws exei pei o ypoyrgos Metaforwn- apo mhdenikh bash gia na kaqorisoyn kai toys misqoys kai ta wraria kai ola. Skefteste ayto na epektaqei kai se alles DEKO gia na ginei o ejorqologismos;

PETALWTHS: Oi ergazomenoi stis DEKO den prokeitai na xasoyn ta ergasiaka toys dikaiwmata. Ta swsta ergasiaka dikaiwmata me tis logikes amoibes kai oxi me amoibes oi opoies den exoyn kamia sxesh me thn ellhnikh pragmatikothta, eidika shmera. O armodios ypoyrgos, k. Reppas, exei pei oti yparxei ena sygkekrimeno sxedio ejygianshs, ajiopisto kai plhres, poy shmainei oti diasfalizei kai to dhmosio symferon, alla kai ta dikaiwmata twn ergazomenwn. Den qa ginoyn apolyseis ston OSE kai sthn TRAINOSE, einai anakoinwsh toy k. Reppa kai oi taktikes apodoxes qa parameinoyn sto shmerino epipedo, xwris bebaiws tis deytereyoyses apodoxes, poy einai poly megales kai anebazoyn kai th synolikh amoibh aytwn twn ergazomenwn. Epanalambanw oti skopos mas einai na yparxei mia ejygiansh, na yparxei ejorqologismos. To dhmosio symferon einai panw apo ola kai fysika sebomaste kai toys ergazomenoys poy doyleyoyn ekei.

XASAPOPOYLOS: Sas rwthsa, epeidh ston OSE exete ena sxedio. Na parameinoyn opws einai oi taktikes apodoxes kai na epanejetastoyn oi deytereyoyses, ayth h taktikh qa epektaqei kai se alles DEKO;

PETALWTHS: Gia ton OSE yparxei sxedio to opoio einai plhres kai ajiopisto, ayto eipa kai prohgoymenws.

XASAPOPOYLOS: Wraia. Afhste ton OSE.

PETALWTHS: Ws pros tis DEKO genikotera, yparxoyn kapoies anakoinwseis. Den yparxoyn apofaseis. Einai synqeth h ergasia poy apaiteitai. Yparxoyn polla synarmodia ypoyrgeia kai yparxoyn para polles texnikes leptomereies. Qa anoijei syzhthsh, qa yparxei diaboyleysh kai qa yparxoyn apofaseis, alla me ta idia krithria poy bazoyme kai gia ton OSE. Dhladh, dhmosio symferon kai ergasiaka dikaiwmata. Alla, apofaseis gia tis alles DEKO, den yparxoyn akomh.

PITTARAS: Eipate sto eisagwgiko sas sxolio gia to kainoyrgio poy qelete na ferete. Ayto pws qa to ferete; Me ta MAT, to jylo kai ta dakrygona sthn Akropolh;

PETALWTHS: Adikoyme toys eaytoys mas, an blepoyme thn katastash me ayto ton tropo. Edw, exoyme to fainomeno, para polles hmeres toy xronoy, h Akropolh na einai kleisth, na diasyromaste dieqnws, ws xwra kai ws eikona mias politismenhs koinwnias, exontas kleisto ayto to aparamillo mnhmeio, to opoio, omws prepei na prostateytei kai apo thn Politeia alla kai apo thn koinwnia. Den mporoyme na blepoyme na allazoyn 30 ergazomenoi -apo toys polloys poy yparxoyn sto ypoyrgeio Politismoy- loyketa gia na kratoyn kleisth thn Akropolh, prokeimenoy na petyxoyn kapoies ergasiakes toys apaithseis, oi opoies, se megalo baqmo, einai kai adikaiologhtes. Yparxei ypoxrewsh ths ellhnikhs Politeias, alla kai ths koinwnias, na prostatecei ayto to mnhmeio, thn Akropolh. Kai fysika, emeis ayto to kanoyme. Apo ekei kai pera, yparxei metro, yparxei synepeia, alla den qa afhsoyme osoys kai ypokinoyn, alla kai leitoyrgoyn me tropoys oi opoioi bebhlwnoyn thn eikona ths xwras mas, na synexisoyn aytes tis energeies toys.

PITTARAS: Pantws, opws mas ta lete, aytoi profanws ekei briskontai xwris logo. Kai apo th stigmh poy briskontai xwris logo, kapoios toys ypokinei.

PETALWTHS: Einai kapoioi ergazomenoi, peripoy 30 apo tis plhrofories poy exw, oi opoioi diekdikoyn sygkekrimena pragmata. Einai symbasioyxoi, oi opoioi diekdikoyn na synexistoyn oi symbaseis toys, na monimopoihqoyn, pragma poy den ginetai pleon poyqena sto dhmosio tomea. Yparxei o gnwstos nomos gia tis symbaseis kai den qa mporoysan na ginoyn ejaireseis gia aytoys toys ergazomenoys. Yparxei kai ena aithma gia thn katabolh twn dedoyleymenwn. Hdh yparxei nomoqetikh ryqmish, etsi wste h katabolh twn dedoyleymenwn na jekinhsei kai na ginei apo to ypoyrgeio Politismoy se poly syntomo xroniko diasthma, efoson yparxoyn ta aparaithta dikaiologhtika. Synepws, tetoioy eidoys kinhseis einai adikaiologhtes.

PITTARAS: 22 mhnes aplhrwtoi sas fainete poly logiko;

PETALWTHS: Den einai etsi ta pragmata, einai diaforetika kai gia ayto sas eipa oti ayth h kybernhsh brhke lysh se mia katastash, h opoia kai sto ypoyrgeio Politismoy htan nosogonos kai zhmiogonos, otan h prohgoymenh politikh hgesia - kai malista me ypoyrgo Politismoy ton k. Samara - ebaze afeidws kai me ta gnwsta krithria toys symbasioyxoys sto ypoyrgeio Politismoy, me apotelesma shmera na dhmioyrgeitai ayto to zhthma. Alla epeidh to kratos exei synexeia, opoy ofeilei kataballei ta dedoyleymena. Kai tetoioy eidoys energeies kaqe allo para timoyn aytoys toys ligoys ergazomenoys oi opoioi kleinoyn thn Akropolh me loyketa.

MARAQIAS: Dhladh lete oti aytoi oi trianta ergazomenoi, isws kai parapanw, poy kinhtopoihqhkan shmera, einai ergazomenoi, oi opoioi proslhfqhkan epi k. Samara sto ypoyrgeio Politismoy;

PETALWTHS: Yparxoyn polloi ergazomenoi, oi opoioi proslhfqhkan epi ypoyrgias toy k. Samara. Fysika den einai dikia mas doyleia, oyte mporoyme na diaxwrizoyme toys ergazomenoys. Pantws h taktikh, thn opoia akoloyqoyn gia na probaloyn ta aithmata toys einai katadikastea kai den dikaiologeitai se sxesh kai me ta aithmata toys, alla kyriws me to apotelesma to opoio epiferoyn.

SPANOY: Epeidh kai o armodios anaplhrwths ypoyrgos Politismoy k. Xythrhs milhse shmera gia ypokinhsh, alla epishs opws eseis den prosdiorise, poios einai o ypokinhths. Mporeite na mas peite, einai kapoio komma kai poio einai ayto;

PETALWTHS: Osoi zoyme se ayth thn koinwnia gnwrizoyme oti kapoies kinhtopoihseis ginontai gia kapoioys alloys logoys, ejw apo ergasiakes apaithseis. Synepws, kai h antimetwpish ths koinwnias qa prepei na exei enan analogo xarakthra. Apo ekei kai pera, omws, osoi xrhsimopoioyn tetoioys eidoys meqodeyseis, einai kai sthn krish toy ellhnikoy laoy, poy blepei toys toyristes ejw apo thn Akropolh. Kai den einai mono qema spilwshs toy ellhnikoy toyrismoy, eidika se aytes tis dyskoles synqhkes, einai qema kai sebasmoy aytoy toy ejairetikoy mnhmeioy poy legetai Akropolh.

SEGKOS: Qa hqela na epimeinw, epeidh den apanthsate sthn erwthsh ths synadelfoy. Poioi qewreite oti ypokinoyn aytoys toys anqrwpoys.

PETALWTHS: Den xreiazetai na apanthsw sygkekrimena. Gnwrizoyme oloi poioi epilegoyn taktikes, oi opoies den einai symbates me thn proaspish twn ergasiakwn dikaiwmatwn. Kaqenas krinetai kai emeis fysika.

POLYMEROS: Qa hqela na moy peite ean gnwrizei h kybernhsh mia apofash toy ypoyrgeioy Oikonomikwn, sxetika me thn opoia exei dwsei entolh na katasxeqoyn stoixeia kai logariasmoi apo thleoptiko staqmo.

PETALWTHS: H kybernhsh kanei th doyleia ths. Exei doqei pagia entolh stoys elegktikoys mhxanismoys na kanoyn th doyleia toys, xwris kamia diakrish. Giati fysika, kaneis den einai yperanw toy nomoy. Apo ekei kai pera, yparxoyn oi armodies yphresies, yparxoyn ta armodia organa, yparxoyn oi eisaggeleis, yparxoyn kai oi yphresies toy ypoyrgeioy Oikonomikwn. Fysika, oloi kanoyn kai prepei na kanoyn th doyleia toys.

MPEQANH: Hqela na epanerqw sto qema twn DEKO, giati opws egine gnwsto apo to reportaz, o proedros ths GSEE k. Panagopoylos, amfisbhtei ta stoixeia poy doqhkan gia tis DEKO kai malista ekane logo, apo oti emaqa, kai gia epikoinwniaka paixnidia apo thn kybernhsh. Exete kapoio sxolio;

PETALWTHS: H Eidikh Grammateia edwse ajiopista stoixeia. Opoios exei na antiteinei me logika epixeirhmata kai me stoixeia kapoia allh katastash, mporei fysika na th ferei sth dhmosiothta. Apo ekei kai pera, omws, gnwrizoyme oloi mas ti symbainei me tis DEKO edw kai polla xronia. Pws exoyn leitoyrghsei, pws tis exoyn xrhsimopoihsei sygkekrimenoi politikoi epi dekaeties, alla kai eidikotera h teleytaia diakybernhsh ths ND. Kai fysika krinoyme kai tis parexomenes yphresies.

MOYRELATOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, mexri protinos mas paroysiazate peripoy ws stoixhma ths kybernhshs stis epikeimenes aytodioikhtikes ekloges, thn prowqhsh kai thn kalyterh ejyphrethsh, en pash periptwsei, ths neas dioikhtikhs metarryqmishs toy ``Kallikrath''. Shmera balate peripoy ena dillhma oti stis epikeimenes ekloges diakybeyetai kai h proodos toys topoy kai h boylhsh gia allagh kai h Ellada qa paei mprosta, se antiqesh, profanws, me thn Ellada poy paei pisw. Anhsyxeite gia kati; Exete dei kapoia eyrhmata stis dhmoskophseis ta opoia sas wqoyn na allajete grammh pleyshs ;

PETALWTHS: Eklogika den anhsyxoyme gia tipota, ean ennoeite ayto. Ekeino to opoio, omws, qeloyme na proaspisoyme, einai h megalh politikh epanastash poy ginetai mesw toy ``Kallikrath''. Exoyme pei poio einai to diakybeyma twn eklogwn. Oi ekloges aytes exoyn sygkekrimeno kai ejairetika shmantiko xarakthra, giati den einai aplws ekloges gia thn anadeijh kapoiwn dhmarxwn h kapoiwn perifereiarxwn. Edw yparxei mia poly megalh allagh, mia terastia allagh sthn Topikh Aytodioikhsh sto epiteliko kratos, poy einai o ``Kallikraths'', me oles tis synepeies poy exei sthn koinwnia kai sthn oikonomia. Synepws, emeis gia ayto mono anhsyxoyme, na petyxei ayth h allagh, ayth h epanastash, giati etsi allazei kai to kratos. Kai gia emas einai para poly shmantiko.

KOYTRAS: H htta toy k. Sgoyroy sth perifereia Attikhs ti shmainei k. Ekproswpe gia thn kybernhsh;

PETALWTHS: Prwta apo ola, einai para poly nwris na syzhtame tetoioy eidoys ejelijeis. Emeis kaname sygkekrimenes epiloges yposthrijhs se proswpa. Emmenoyme se aytes tis epiloges, giati akribws exoyn sygkekrimena xarakthristika. Gia allh mia fora qa epanalabw oti, twn chfodeltiwn poy yposthrizoyme hgoyntai proswpa, ta opoia gnwrizoyn, ta opoia einai ikana, ta opoia qeloyn na prosferoyn sthn Topikh Aytodioikhsh. Einai kaqara kai sto proswpo toys mporoyn na sygklinoyn polles koinwnikes dynameis.

SEGKOS: O Prwqypoyrgos shmera milwntas stoys ejagwgeis proanhggeile nea meiwsh ths forologias twn epixeirhsewn kai anarwtiemai ean me ayto ton tropo pianoyn topo oi qysies toy ellhnikoy laoy. Dhladh ton xaratswnete me allepallhloys tropoys gia na parexete asylia stis epixeirhseis;

PETALWTHS: Emeis exoyme mia sygkekrimenh qewrhsh makria apo agkylwseis toy parelqontos kai apo paqogenh ideologhmata. Sthrizoyme thn ygih epixeirhmatikothta. Thn epixeirhmatikothta poy prosferei sthn anaptyjh, syneisferei sta oikonomika toy kratoys, syneisferei kai prosferei qeseis ergasias, poy einai poly shmantiko stoixeio, eidika se ayth thn krisimh epoxh. Synepws, thn ygih epixeirhmatikothta kai thn sthrizoyme kai thn parotrynoyme, etsi wste na anaptyxqei akomh perissotero. Ta ergaleia poy xrhsimopoiei to kratos prepei na einai tetoia, poy akribws ayth thn ygih epixeirhmatikothta na thn prowqoyme oso mporoyme entelei pros ofelos toy ellhnikoy laoy.

ZAFEIRIADOY: Kyrie Ekproswpe, epeidh yparxei mia apanthsh poy pairnoyme apo thn kybernhsh, to exei paradexqei kai o idios o Prwqypoyrgos oti exei anoijei mia syzhthsh gia thn epimhkynsh ths apoplhrwmhs toy daneioy, sthn opoia, omws, emeis den symmetexoyme, einai kati poy qa apofasisoyn mones oi daneistries xwres mas, xwris emas sth syzhthsh; Kai ena deytero gia na epistrecw se erwthsh synadelfoy: Epeidh stoxopoieitai proswpika o k. Papakwnstantinoy, askei h den askei thn kybernhtikh politikh:

PETALWTHS: O k. Papakwnstantinoy, safws, askei kybernhtikh politikh. Ayto einai jekaqaro. Oi apofaseis ths kybernhshs se oloys toys tomeis, eidika omws ston oikonomiko tomea - poy einai isws o pio krisimos ayto ton xrono - einai apofaseis poy lambanontai syllogika apo thn kybernhsh. O k. Papakwnstantinoy exei apodeijei oti ``steketai'' kai kanei th doyleia toy arista.

Oson afora to prwto skelos ths erwthshs sas, opws exw pei, yparxei mia dhmosia syzhthsh gia epimhkynsh ths apoplhrwmhs twn daneiwn. Den yparxei epishmh syzhthsh. Synepws, gia ayto den symmetexoyme kai emeis. Ean yparjei qema, den yparxei periptwsh na mhn symmetexoyme se ayth th syzhthsh. Einai omws jekaqaro oti den pame se alloys oroys, den pame se nea metra. Ayto poy kanoyme apodeiknyetai oti mas bgazei apo thn krish. Oi stoxoi mas throyntai kai apokleistiko melhma mas se ayth th fash einai na throyme aparegklita toys stoxoys mas, etsi wste na bgoyme apo thn krish sthn opoia mphkame ws xwra teleiws aqwrakisth.

SEGKOS: Ti perimenei h kybernhsh, na perasoyn oi ekloges gia na jekinhsei epishmws th syzhthsh gia thn epimhkynsh;

PETALWTHS: Den perimenoyme tipote. Epanalambanw oti emeis kanoyme th doyleia mas, throyme toys stoxoys mas. Den yparxei se ayth th fash, toylaxiston, kati allo.

XASAPOPOYLOS: Epeidh mas eipate oti sthrizete me sygkekrimena xarakthristika proswpa stis aytodioikhtikes ekloges kai epeidh qelete to kalytero apotelesma, hqela na sas rwthsw, an mporeite na mas peite, me poia krithria kophke o k. Fasoylas.

PETALWTHS: Oi diergasies kai oi epejergasies twn chfodeltiwn exoyn ginei apo to PA.SO.K. Egw ayth th stigmh milaw gia thn kybernhsh. Gia oles tis apofaseis, omws, poy exei parei to PA.SO.K. yparxei aitiologia. Kai den einai dikh moy doyleia na sxoliasw tis apofaseis toy Kinhmatos.

XASAPOPOYLOS: Sas problhmatizei to gegonos oti o k. Fasoylas stis ekloges qa sthrijei ton k. Dhmara; Politika, ennow, epeidh qelete to kalytero apotelesma.

PETALWTHS: Emas to mono poy mas problhmatizei, einai na petyxei o ``Kallikraths'' gia to kalo toy epitelikoy mas kratoys, ths aytodioikhshs, ths oikonomias kai tis poly megales epiptwseis poy qa exei se oloys toys tomeis kai sthn koinwnia. Oi epiptwseis aytes omws, den exoyn anadeixqei kai den ginetai h deoysa syzhthsh, giati asxoloymaste me kapoia zhthmata poy bazei h antipoliteysh, ta opoia den exoyn kamia sxesh me tis ekloges aytes, fysika.

XASAPOPOYLOS: Epeidh mas eipate oti kathgoreite th N.D. oti kanei shmaia ths stis ekloges thn antimnhmoniakh drash, me poia logikh, loipon, to PA.SO.K. yposthrizei sthn Aqhna antiperifereiarxh, enan anqrwpo, o opoios olo ayto to diasthma htan stis kinhtopoihseis enantion toy mnhmonioy;

PETALWTHS: Se poion anafereste;

XASAPOPOYLOS: Gia ton ekproswpo ths ADEDY poy einai sto boreio tomea, ton k. Papantwnioy.

PETALWTHS: Gnwrizoyme oti otan yparxei drash kapoiwn atomwn, eidika syndikalistwn, yparxoyn diaforetikes proseggiseis. Thn ajiologhsh poy ekane to PA.SO.K. thn ekane me synolika krithria kai ayta ta krithria, profanws, o antiperifereiarxhs, ston opoio anafereste, ta plhrei.

MIXAHL: O k. Fasoylas kanei mia kataggelia, omws, h opoia afora thn kybernhsh. Leei sygkekrimena oti, enw sas sthrije sthn ypoqesh ths Cosco, enw taxqhke yper twn ependysewn sto limani toy Peiraia, tis opoies h kybernhsh prowqei, antiqetws, polla kommatika stelexh kai politika stelexh, den htan se ayth th grammh, ejefrasan tis diafwnies toys kai aytoi telikws epikrathsan, wste na kopei. Ep` aytoy, exete na apanthsete;

PETALWTHS: Oxi, bebaia. Alimono, an sxoliazame edw tis dhlwseis h tis apoceis poy ekfrazoyn oi xiliades ypochfioi ana th xwra.

MARAQIAS: Eipate prin oti epi dekaeties oi DEKO htan qalamos ypodoxhs roysfetiwn. Profanws, ennoeite, kai epi kybernhsewn A. Papandreoy kai epi kybernhsewn K. Shmith.

PETALWTHS: Emeis polles fores, ws politikh drash exoyme paradexqei tis paqogeneies mas. Alla, den eipa mono ayto. Symplhrwsa oti h N.D. edwse pragmatika shmeia aristeias, ws pros thn pelateiakh antimetwpish aytwn twn DEKO. Kai arkei kaneis na parei toys ariqmoys, posoi ergazontai se aytes tis DEKO gia tis opoies milame kai einai xiliades oi opoioi mphkan epi N.D. me krithria teleiws asafh, adieykrinista, me apotelesma kai oi yphresies na mhn parexontai, opws prepei na parexontai, giati den yphrxe antikeimenikothta stis proslhceis, alla kai h terastia ``mayrh trypa'' thn opoia mas afhse h N.D., na mhn mporei eykola na kleisei.

Kalo apogeyma.

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