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Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Tetarth, 29 Septembrioy 2010

Ariqmos Deltioy: 291633187

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Briefing

KYBERNHTIKOS EKPROSWPOS

Aqhna, 29 Septembrioy 2010

GIWRGO PETALWTH

Kalo meshmeri.

Katatiqetai sth Boylh tropologia prosqhkh, sto sxedio nomoy poy qa syzhthqei ayrio gia thn ekoysia katarghsh twn forologikwn diaforwn.

Me thn proteinomenh ryqmish antimetwpizontai ojytata koinwnika problhmata poy exoyn dhmioyrghqei apo thn arnhsh sygkekrimenwn epaggelmatikwn omadwn, poy exoyn teqei ypo kaqestws epitajhs proswpikwn yphresiwn h einai idiokthtes epitagmenwn pragmatwn prokeimenoy na sebastoyn to Syntagma kai toys nomoys toy kratoys, alla kai tis idies tis basikes leitoyrgies ths ennomhs tajhs kai ths koinwnias, opws einai h arnhsh kapoiwn idiokthtwn forthgwn na epitelesoyn to kaqhkon toys gia tis dhmosies metafores. Tetoioy eidoys symperifores epiballetai na antimetwpizontai apo th Dikaiosynh kai sto pedio toy Poinikoy Dikaioy, opws problepetai sthn proteinomenh ryqmish.

Epishs, problepetai h dynatothta afaireshs adeiwn askhshs epaggelmatos h dhmosias xrhshs pragmatos, ws anagkaia kai analogh dioikhtikh kyrwsh gia th symperifora ayth. Kai prokeimenoy, malista, na kalyfqoyn kai zwtikes anagkes ths koinwnias kai ths eqnikhs oikonomias kai na ejyphrethqei to dhmosio symferon, mporei na anatiqetai h ektelesh dhmosias yphresias kai ergoy dhmosias xrhshs, se oxhmata, mhxanhmata h alla mesa idiwtikhs xrhshs.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

POLYMEROS: Xqes, sthn epistolh poy esteile sthn proanakritikh epitroph, o k. Karamanlhs, sxetika me to Batopedi, fainetai na anairei ta osa eixe pro etwn anaferei gia politikh eyqynh, eixe analabei thn politikh eyqynh kai eixe anaferei gia mega skandalo. Xqes, fainetai, me thn epistolh toy na mhn anagnwrizei to skandalo poy eixe anagnwrisei prin dyo xronia, an den kanw laqos. Se ayth thn epitroph, shmera to prwi, akoysa melh ths epitrophs na spernoyn fhmes oti piqanon na yparjoyn poinikes eyqynes politikwn proswpwn kai na xreiastei h systash Eidikoy Dikasthrioy. Exei dyo merh h erwthsh moy: Qa hqela na moy apanthsete sxetika me thn epistolh toy k. Karamanlh kai pws thn antimetwpizei h kybernhsh kai sxetika me th systash Eidikoy Dikasthrioy.

PETALWTHS: Me xqesinh moy dhlwsh anefera oti einai dikaiwma toy k. Karamanlh na mhn qelei na apanthsei epi ths oysias. Bebaiws, qa prepei na sebomaste kai th nohmosynh toy ellhnikoy laoy, symplhrwnw shmera. Giati, akribws, to na yparxei mia qesh ths Neas Dhmokratias thn opoia, dystyxws, yioqetei kai o prwhn Prwqypoyrgos, oti den yphrje skandalo Batopedioy, dhladh to aytonohto kai apodedeigmeno edw kai polla xronia, pisteyw oti ypotima thn pragmatikothta. Apo edw kai pera, den anaferomaste se Eidiko Dikasthrio. Me dikh mas protash, opws egine kai otan hmastan sthn antipoliteysh kai aporrifqhke tote apo thn kybernhsh ths Neas Dhmokratias, h opoia gnwrizoyme oti apoxwrhse otan eprepe na syzhta gia to Batopedi, alla kai me protash twra, ws kybernhsh, exei systaqei ayth h prokatarktikh epitroph ths Boylhs, h opoia askei proanakritiko ergo. Qa yparxei porisma ths epitrophs kai me bash ayto to porisma qa yparxei kai h synexish ths diadikasias. Ekeino to opoio qelw na prosqesw einai oti emeis den erxomaste oyte na ekdikhqoyme oyte na timwrhsoyme kanenan. Yparxei o nomos, yparxei to Syntagma, alla to Syntagma kai o nomos isxyei gia oloys kai fysika kai gia toys politikoys, efoson diapistwqoyn poinikes eyqynes. Den dikazoyme, den katadikazoyme oyte h kybernhsh, alla, fysika oyte kai ayth h epitroph, h opoia exei ypoxrewsh apo to Syntagma na diereynhsei thn alhqeia. Se ayth thn kateyqynsh, diereynhshs ths alhqeias, opoios qelei na bohqhsei, bohqaei kai opoios qelei na apokrycei, apokryptei.

STRATAKHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, toylaxiston tis teleytaies hmeres poy exei erqei sth dhmosiothta to fws me ta porismata toy SOE, peri blabhs h mh blabhs toy dhmosioy apo ayth thn istoria, einai diaxyth pleon h entypwsh ston kosmo, oti briskomaste mprosta sto koykoylwma mias ypoqeshs. H kybernhsh pros ayth thn kateyqynsh, qa anoijei toys logariasmoys ths monhs Batopedioy sthn Kypro kai alloy kai olwn twn off shore etairiwn, gia na doyme poy phgan ta xrhmata poy exoyn eiselqei se aytoys toys logariasmoys h poy periestrafhsan gyrw apo thn ypoqesh Batopedioy; Giati yparxei diaxyth h entypwsh, egw qa sas metaferw to klima toy kosmoy, oti den anoigoyn aytoi oi logariasmoi, giati endexomenws na odhgoyn se kapoia proswpa poy den qa hqelan kapoioi na emfanistoyn. Ti apantaei h kybernhsh s` ayto; Einai kombiko, nomizw, to shmeio na apanthsei h kybernhsh, ean prepei na anoixtoyn oi logariasmoi toy Batopedioy, opoy yparxoyn kai na doyme tis kinhseis poy yparxoyn mesa apo aytoys toys logariasmoys.

PETALWTHS: Gia na anoijoyn aytoi oi logariasmoi yparxei sygkekrimenh diadikasia. Thn exoyme proteinei kata koron kai ws antipoliteysh. Yparxei h Dikaiosynh poy mporei, efoson diapistwnei oti yparxei ``jeplyma'' brwmikoy xrhmatos, ektos apo tis poinikes eyqynes, na aponeimei kai eyqynes kai na zhthsei to anoigma aytwn twn logariasmwn. Emeis, ws PASOK, exoyme entopisei mesa apo thn ejetastikh epitroph ths Boylhs, ws antipoliteysh kai exoyme diakribwsei kai bgalei sto fws, olo ayto to skandalo poy plexthke gyrw apo th monh Batopedioy, me ton kentriko politiko sxediasmo ths kybernhshs ths Neas Dhmokratias. Emeis brhkame kai anakalycame, syneisferontas sthn ejetastikh epitroph ths Boylhs tote, oti eixe systaqei mia poly megalh epixeirhsh gyrw apo to jepoylhma ths dhmosias ghs, me tis xaristikes prajeis pros thn iera monh Batopedioy, alla kai me ergolabika symferonta, ta opoia briskontan gyrw apo th monh, oti yparxoyn off shore etairies - tis exoyme katonomasei kai sto porisma mas- opws einai h ``Rasantel'' kai alles off shore etairies kai etairies poy edreyan malista kai sthn Kypro, apo tis opoies fainotan oti yphrxe roh mayroy xrhmatos, mesa apo logariasmoys oi opoioi htan afaneis.

Ayta ola einai sth Dikaiosynh. Ayta ola ta epejergazetai h taktikh Dikaiosynh, h opoia exei epilhfqei. Kai se epipedo eyqynhs politikwn, ayth h prokatarktikh epitroph, h opoia exei systaqei me dikh mas prwtoboylia, einai akribws ayth poy qa epilhfqei gia ola ayta ta zhthmata. Alla, h taktikh Dikaiosynh, hdh exei epilhfqei kai kanei tis aparaithtes energeies, ws pros ayto.

Edw, omws, qa moy epitrecete na sas pw oti ean einai kapoios na kathgorhqei gia koykoylwma, oi teleytaioi poy qa mporoysan na kathgorhqoyn eimaste emeis, einai to PASOK. Ean den anadeiknyame emeis to qema, ean den ginotan ayth h doyleia sthn ejetastikh epitroph toy Batopedioy, qa htan elaxista gnwsta apo ayta poy shmera xeirizetai h taktikh Dikaiosynh kai poy xeirizetai, fysika, ws ena prwtogenes yliko, ayth h epitroph poy exei hdh systaqei kai leitoyrgei.

STRATAKHS: Qa moy epitrecete na parameinw gia ligo sto qema kai na pw, pws ajiologei h kybernhsh h mallon synebale sthn ajiologhsh ths kybernhshs, oson afora tis ektimhseis toy SOE, to gegonos oti o martyras poy klhqhke sthn epitroph na kataqesei, exei sxesh me ton Antwnh Samara, symboylos toy sygkekrimena;

PETALWTHS: Den qa mpw se leptomereies. Ayto, omws, poy mporw na pw einai oti akomh kai to Swma Orkwtwn Elegktwn exei kanei mia apotimhsh ths zhmias toy dhmosioy. Ean den einai toy ycoys, to opoio qa eprepe na einai, einai akribws giati phre entolh tote apo thn Kthmatikh Etairia toy Dhmosioy, opoy yphrxe mia sygkekrimenh dioikhsh. Ayta ta exoyme anadeijei. Htan oi anqrwpoi ths kybernhshs Karamanlh, akribws aytoi poy koykoylwnan thn olh ypoqesh. Kai fysika, ekeino poy mas ekplhssei, giati apo ayth thn ypoqesh den ekplhssomeqa sxedon ta exoyme dei ola, einai aytos o isxyrismos, o pantelws anypostatos isxyrismos ths Neas Dhmokratias, oti den yphrxe zhmia, otan kai h idia h Nea Dhmokratia se dyo porismata ths se ejetastikes epitropes kai sto 2008 kai sto 2010 anaferei rhta oti yparxei zhmia toy ellhnikoy dhmosioy. Jafnika, ypotimwntas th nohmosynh toy ellhnikoy laoy, anakalyptoyn oti den yparxei skandalo Batopedioy, oti den yparxei zhmia toy ellhnikoy dhmosioy. Otan h bash apo thn opoia jekinoyn ta panta, einai oti dhmosia perioysia xaristhke sthn iera monh Batopedioy me th gnwsth diadikasia ths mh ekdoshs apofashs, gia thn opoia exoyn katadikastei se prwto baqmo, toylaxiston, dyo monaxoi kai h tote proedros toy Polymeloys Prwtodikeioy Rodophs. Kai me bash ekeinh th meqodeysh, poy ginotan epi Neas Dhmokratias, ayth h perioysia oysiastika, perase sth monh kai akoloyqhsan aytes oi poly amartwles antallages, mesa apo sygkekrimenes meqodeyseis, mesa apo sygkekrimenes diadikasies, poy akoma ki an htan nomimes, logw ths grafeiokratias, den qa eixan peraiwqei shmera oyte sto ena ekatosto.

STRATAKHS: Qelete na peite dhladh oti oi opoies ektimhseis toy SOE, eixan paraggelqei apo thn Kthmatikh Yphresia toy Dhmosioy, h opoia me enan prwtofanh ryqmo gia dhmosia yphresia, eixe probei se oles tis antallages. Oi opoies ektimhseis, dhladh, toy SOE den prohlqan apo paraggelia eite ths epitrophs eite opoioydhpote alloy kratikoy forea.

PETALWTHS: H ektimhsh toy Swmatos Orkwtwn Ektimhtwn pragmatopoihqhke me paraggelia ths Kthmatikhs Etairias toy Dhmosioy. Apo ekei kai pera, opoy yphrxe dhmosia parembash sthn ypoqesh ayth, yparxei apotimhsh ths zhmias. Giati akoyme oti den yparxei apotimhsh ths zhmias. To ycos ths apotimhshs, mporei na diaferei, mporei na einai xamhlotero h ychlotero, alla to oti yparxei zhmia den perimename pote na to amfisbhthsei h Nea Dhmokratia.

SABBOPOYLOY: Kyrie Ekproswpe, na gyrisw sto qema twn idiokthtwn forthgwn, gia na mas dwsete merikes dieykrinhseis sxetika me tis ryqmiseis poy mas eipate oti qa erqoyn sth Boylh. Qelw na rwthsw an qa erqei se ena asxeto nomosxedio poy einai h peraiwsh.

PETALWTHS: Den einai asxeto. Prokeitai gia ena nomosxedio poy chfizetai ayrio. Yparxei h epitaktikh anagkh na yparxei mia ryqmish, gia ayto kai eisagetai se ayto to nomosxedio. Ejalloy, se ayto to nomosxedio yparxoyn kai poinikes kai alles ryqmiseis. Alla yparxei anagkh na chfistei ayth h ryqmish kai gia ayto epilexqhke to nomosxedio poy qa chfistei ayrio.

SABBOPOYLOY: Milhsate gia afairesh adeiwn, (den akoygetai) etsi opws telos pantwn exei dhmioyrghqei h katastash. Kai prin, an den kanw laqos, me to qema ths epitajhs, den problepotan h afairesh twn adeiwn; Ti allazei me ayth th ryqmish;

PETALWTHS: Edw yparxei pleon poiniko adikhma gia osoys, an kai einai se epitajh oi yphresies toys h ta mesa toys, den leitoyrgoyn me bash to dhmosio symferon, giati toys exoyn paraxwrhqei aytes oi dhmosies adeies. Kai gia ayto akribws problepetai kai poinh fylakishs triwn etwn kai se ypotroph, ean epanalhfqei jana, poinh kaqeirjhs pente etwn. Kai ws parepomenh poinh, mporei na afaireitai h adeia xrhshs toy metaforikoy mesoy. Ws pros thn anaqesh se idiwtikhs xrhsews forthga aytokinhta, yparxei h ryqmish oti efoson yparxei diapistwmenh ektakth anagkh, mporei na anatiqetai se idiwtikhs xrhsews forthga aytokinhta na ekteloyn epaggelmatikh drasthriothta dhmosias xrhsews.

MOYRELATOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, se o,ti afora thn afairesh twn adeiwn, gnwrizame mexri protinos oti ayth ginetai ystera apo kapoia stadia. Eystaqoyn oi plhrofories poy lene oti pleon yparxei syntmhsh xronikh kai afaireitai epitopoy h adeia;

PETALWTHS: H ryqmish, thn opoia sas anakoinwnw- me thn epifylajh oti qa chfistei ayrio, poy shmainei oti mesa sth diadikasia mporei na prokycei kati allo, ayth einai, omws, h boylhsh ths kybernhshs - h opoia katatiqetai sth Boylh kai problepei oti efoson syntrexoyn oi proypoqeseis ths askhshs poinikhs diwjhs, o armodios ypoyrgos Ypodomwn kai Metaforwn mporei me apofash toy na afairei thn adeia askhsews epaggelmatos h thn adeia dhmosias xrhshs toy oxhmatos. Den yparxei syntmhsh. Prokeitai gia dynatothta poy dinetai ston armodio ypoyrgo na afairei tis adeies aytes, giati oi adeies paraxwroyntai gia sygkekrimenoys logoys. To skeptiko einai to ejhs: ean kapoios arneitai, parolo poy toy exei paraxwrhqei apo to dhmosio h adeia na ektelei tetoioy eidoys metafores kai den tis ektelei gia toys logoys poy anaferontai se ayth th ryqmish, tote logika o ypoyrgos tis anakalei.

MOYRELATOS: Epitopoy, efoson diapistwnetai poiniko adikhma. Ayto den mas eipate;

PETALWTHS: Oti exei th dynatothta na to kanei.

SEGKOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, h kybernhsh einai yperhfanh poy kanei akomh sklhrotero ena xoyntiko nomo eis baros twn forthgatzhdwn; Kai anarwtiomaste poio qa einai to epomeno bhma. Na katebasete ta tanks;

PETALWTHS: Poios einai dhladh o xoyntikos nomos;

SEGKOS: Gia thn epitajh.

PETALWTHS: Edw, jekiname apo laqos bash. Exei paraxwrhqei, kai den xreiazetai na mpoyme se perissoteres leptomereies, h adeia xrhsews, h adeia toy na kanoyn dhmosies metafores kapoioi sygkekrimenoi polites. Einai kata paraxwrhsh ths dhmosias arxhs. Efoson, loipon, aytoi stoys opoioys exei paraxwrhqei ayth h adeia - kai tis adeies aytes gnwrizoyme para poly kala oti tis poylaei o enas idiokthths ston allon kai malista xwris na emfanizetai sthn eforia to antitimo, poy einai poly megalo - opoios ekmetalleyetai me ayton ton tropo, ayth thn askhsh dhmosias yphresias, giati peri aytoy prokeitai, kai malista me tropo poy na empodizei na apolambanoyn oi polites ta dhmosia agaqa, tote h Politeia den mporei na einai anoxyrwth. Akribws ayto qa htan to akraio kai to xoyntiko. Kapoioi na empodizoyn thn omalh diejagwgh twn metaforwn kai thn omalh trofodosia ths agoras.

Qa moy dwsete thn eykairia na pw oti oles oi politikes dynameis qa prepei na topoqethqoyn amesa. Qa prepei na katadikasoyn ayth th leitoyrgia mias poly mikrhs meridas, giati prokeitai gia mia poly mikrh merida, idiokthtwn forthgwn, oi opoioi empodizoyn toys synadelfoys toys na doylecoyn. Qa prepei oloi na skeftoyme jana ti einai proodeytiko kai ti einai synthrhtiko. Kai enw h Nea Dhmokratia chfise ayto ton nomo, erxetai mia ebdomada meta, gia na ta exei kala me oloys, na zhtaei megalyterh metabatikh periodo. Ws pros kapoia kommata ths Aristeras, pragmatika mas kanei entypwsh h qesh poy pairnoyn kai poy einai qesh taytishs me syntexniaka organwmena symferonta poy empodizoyn th roh twn dhmosiwn agaqwn pros ton ellhniko lao. Gi ayto oloi qa prepei na analaboyn tis eyqynes toys. Ayto kanei to kratos, giati exei ypoxrewsh kai apo to Syntagma kai toys nomoys.

Qelw epishs na pw oti h megalh pleiochfia twn idiokthtwn aytwn twn metaforikwn meswn exoyn antilhfqei ti ginetai, qeloyn na doylecoyn kai empodizontai me sygkekrimenoys tropoys, me jylodarmoys akomh kai me pyrobolismoys. Kai fysika gia aythn thn epaggelmatikh omada, emeis ws kybernhsh hmastan poy qesame kai metabatikh periodo triwn etwn, alla dwsame kai forologika, anaptyjiaka, asfalistika eyergethmata, etsi wste na mporesoyn na perasoyn apo to ena kaqestws to opoio doyleyoyn se ena allo kaqestws me ton pio omalo tropo.

KOYKLOYMPERHS: Apo osa mas eipate, katalabainoyme oti h kybernhsh aporriptei to neo aithma twn metaforewn gia anastolh efarmoghs toy nomoy gia ena ejamhno.

PETALWTHS: H kybernhsh edeije thn apofasistikothta poy ofeile na deijei pros toys Ellhnes polites. Chfise ayton to nomo, ena nomo poy einai pragmatika proodeytikos, ypo thn ennoia oti apeleyqerwnetai ayto to kleisto epaggelma. Poy shmainei oti epiferame kai thn koinwnikh dikaiosynh giati prosbash pleon se ayto to epaggelma qa mporoyn na exoyn oloi oi polites. Kai fysika me thn apeleyqerwsh toy epaggelmatos, apeleyqerwqhke to komistro, synepws o ellhnikos laos qa apolambanei thn kykloforia twn agaqwn se pio eyergetikes synqhkes. Deijame ayth thn apofasistikothta, deijame kai deixnoyme thn cyxraimia, giati kapoioi mas parotrynan gia alla pragmata. Kai fysika yparxei nomos toy kratoys, o opoios qa efarmostei. Ayto einai dedomeno.

ZAFEIRIADOY: Apo tis ektimhseis toy ypoyrgeioy Ypodomwn, yparxoyn peripoy 35.000 forthga kai 3.300 poy de bgainoyn na kanoyn tis metafores. Ayto shmainei oti yparxei mia pleiada anqrwpwn poy einai diateqeimenoi na ergastoyn. Aytoi, loipon, parakwlyontai. Peran, omws ths parakwlyshs kai den jerw poso proodeytiko qa akoystei ayto, edw exoyme apopeires dolofonias. Kai hqela na sas rwthsw: Protiqeste na kanete kati gia ayto, peran apo th syllhch aytoy poy den qelei na ergastei h thn afairesh adeias toy idiokthth toy.

PETALWTHS: Apo xqes o ypoyrgos Dikaiosynhs k. Kastanidhs, se synennohsh me ton eisaggelea toy Areioy Pagoy k. Tente, exoyn dwsei entolh stoys kata topoys eisaggeleis na kinhqoyn, na sxhmatistoyn dikografies se synergasia kata armodiothta me tis astynomikes dieyqynseis. Opoy apodeiknyetai oti askeitai bia, opws exoyme dei, opoy apodeiknyetai oti yparxoyn anqrwpoi poy qeloyn na doylecoyn kai ginontai antikeimeno biaihs symperiforas apo kapoioys poy paramenoyn agnwstoi, alla poy h Dikaiosynh hdh ereyna, tote qa epembainoyn ta armodia organa.

BITALHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, moy kanei entypwsh to ejhs: Proxwrate shmera sthn anakoinwsh kapoiwn ryqmisewn gia na dieykolynete thn katastash. H istoria me toys idiokthtes forthgwn exei jekinhsei apo ton Ioylio, telos Ioylioy proxwrhsate se epitajh. Olo ayto to diasthma leitoyrgoyse h den leitoyrgoyse to kaqestws ths epitajhs; Dhladh, mia meiochfia anqrwpwn ekane koymanto sthn terastia pleiochfia, kai erxeste afoy ginetai prwto qema stis thleoraseis kai blepoyme aytes tis aparadektes eikones sta limania kai pantoy, ek twn ysterwn as poyme na anakoinwsete ayta ta pragmata; Ayta ola den mporoysan na eixan leitoyrghsei pio nwris, oxi h ryqmish, h efarmogh toy nomoy ths epitajhs kai na eixe h istoria ayth omalopoihqei;

PETALWTHS: Einai para poly eykolo na to leme sta logia kai para poly eykolo na skeftomaste oti qa mporoyse na ginei to ena h to allo. Prwta apo ola, den qa prepei na yperbaloyme, giati pragmatika blepoyme kai eikones poy den prosidiazoyn thn pragmatikothta. Dinetai mia yperbolh se epipedo eikonas oti yparxoyn adeia rafia, kai gnwrizoyme oloi poly kala an yparxoyn h den yparxoyn, dinetai mia yperbolh oti ginontai sobarotata epeisodia, otan ayta ta epeisodia einai memonwmena kai antimetwpizontai apo toys armodioys. Kai fysika olh ayth h anastatwsh poy perigracate einai ths teleytaias ebdomadas. Exoyn dikaiwma na kanoyn kinhtopoihseis, otan omws einai se epitajh, prepei na doyleyoyn me bash thn epitajh poy yparxei. Apo th stigmh poy diapistwqhke oti se liges hmeres, meta thn chfish toy nomoy ejakoloyqoyn kapoioi na parempodizoyn kapoioys synadelfoys toys na kanoyn th doyleia toys, yphrxe anagkh na enisxyqei to nomiko plaisio poy yphrxe. Kai emeis ayto akribws kanoyme. Proxwrame me apofasistikothta, cyxraimia kai isorropia oxi se baros toy koinwnikoy synoloy, alla epeidh akribws blepoyme oles tis synistamenes aytoy toy zhthmatos.

LASKARATOS: Toses hmeres mas dinete thn entypwsh oti eixate ton rolo toy parathrhth. Legate dhladh oti o nomos qa efarmostei kai ws ekei. Kapoios kakoproairetos qa mporoyse na pei oti perimene na koyrastoyn oi odhgoi twn forthgwn enocei kai twn aytodioikhtikwn eklogwn, na mhn einai toso dysaresth h kybernhsh.

PETALWTHS: Emeis exoyme apodeijei oti den logariazoyme to politiko kostos. Kai malista se mia periodo opoy o ellhnikos laos parakoloyqei me aganakthsh polloys apo aytoys toys metaforeis, oi opoioi epanalambanw einai mia poly mikrh meiochfia, na kateyqynontai eis baros toy dhmosioy symferontos. Ara, den yparxei kanena qema gia to ti perimename kai ti den perimename. Kai fysika qa eimaste h teleytaia kybernhsh poy mporei na kathgorhqei gia aplh parakoloyqhsh. Ayta ta ekanan alles kybernhseis kai malista h kybernhsh ths Neas Dhmokratias poy den tolmhse na kanei kamia apo tis megales allages poy kaname, dhladh na anoijei kleista epaggelmata. Protimoyse na plhrwnoyme kaqhmerina prostima gia na mhn erqei se rhjh me kamia koinwnikh omada kai me kamia syntexnia. Emeis ayta pros xarin toy dhmosioy symferontos ta exoyme yperbei. Ayto poy kanoyme, omws, einai na proseggizoyme ta zhthmata me th deoysa sobarothta. Epanalambanw oti einai para poly eykolo na leei kapoios logia, omws emeis kleinoyme ayto to qema - kai qa apodeixqei - me ton kalytero tropo, me oristiko tropo, me apeleyqerwsh enos epaggelmatos poy eprepe na apeleyqerwqei kai malista me tis kalyteres koinwnikes synqhkes. Ayth einai h ektimhsh mas.

XIDIROGLOY: Diabazontas shmera ton Typo, kai sas akoysa poly prosektika se ola ayta poy legate, diabazoyme fylakes, aytofwra gia forologikes parabaseis, kakoyrghmata, apeiles gia kaqeirjeis, milhsate prin apo ligo gia dioikhtikes kyrwseis klp. Dhladh, enas anqrwpos poy qa mpei shmera sthn aiqoysa qa meinei me thn entypwsh oti strefeste kata twn politwn.

PETALWTHS: Poiwn politwn omws;

XIDIROGLOY: Qa sas pw. Eimai sigoyros oti den eixate ayth thn proqesh. Omws, k. Ekproswpe me ola ayta de dhmioyrgeitai ena asfyktiko klima sthn koinwnia; Oi eikones stoys dektes, poy perigracate eseis, olh ayth h anastatwsh kai h xrhsh katastaltikwn meqodwn kai malista h apeilh xrhshs katastaltikwn meqodwn mesw toy Typoy;

PETALWTHS: Gia ayto to opoio kapoioi mas kathgoroyn, oti den eimaste oso apofasistikoi qa eprepe sthn epibolh ths tajhs. Ara, oxi aplws den milame gia katastolh, emeis eimaste kata ths katastolhs, alla fysika employtizoyme to nomiko oplostasio mas prokeimenoy na emperiexei kyrwseis, opoy prepei se aytoys oi opoioi dhmioyrgoyn aparadektes synqhkes gia thn koinwnia, se aytoys oi opoioi forodiafeygoyn systhmatika. Kai na diabebaiwsw oti kaneis Ellhnas poliths, poy einai synephs, nomimos den exei na fobhqei tipota. Ayto einai dedomeno. Aytoi oi opoioi prepei na foboyntai tis kyrwseis ek meroys toy kratoys, einai osoi forodiafeygoyn systhmatika kai malista se megala epipeda forodiafyghs. Kai fysika osoi parempodizoyn thn kykloforia proiontwn, agaqwn kai dhmioyrgoyn synqhkes poy kaqe allo para bohqoyn thn koinwnia. Ara, to oti tyxainei na diabazoyme kapoies diatajeis, kapoioys nomoys, oi opoioi anagkastika ws meso epibolhs toy nomoy kai kaqoloy tromokrathshs twn politwn problepoyn kai poinikes kyrwseis, einai meros ths leitoyrgias ths Politeias. Kai ayto eimaste ypoxrewmenoi na to kanoyme. Qa htan para poly wraio na afhnoyme sthn proairesh toy kaqenos na sebetai toys nomoys, nomoys poy exoyn na kanoyn me th forologhsh, thn katabolh twn forwn h me alla zhthmata, alla gnwrizoyme oti den leitoyrgoyme se synqhkes qermokhpioy, leitoyrgoyme se synqhkes pragmatikothtas.

LASKARATOS: Kyrie ypoyrge, apo th stigmh poy oi isxyoyses poines den efarmozontoysan toses hmeres, poios mas eggyatai oti h aysthropoihsh toy plaisioy qa efarmostei pia, kai qa to doyme, dhladh, apo ayrio, meqayrio, meta thn chfish;

PETALWTHS: Oi poinikes kyrwseis epiballontai twra, opws kai h dynatothta afaireshs twn adeiwn kai ths xrhshs idiwtikhs xrhsews forthgwn aytokinhtwn. H aysthropoihsh twn poinwn, genikws, den bohqaei. Ayto to exoyme ws arxh kai to exoyme pei polles fores kai eixame katakrinei th Nea Dhmokratia otan aysthropoioyse, kata to dokoyn, kapoies poines, pisteyontas oti etsi lynetai to problhma. Emeis ta problhmata den ta lynoyme me tis poines. Ta problhmata ta lynoyme me diaboyleysh, me swsth nomoqethsh, alla epanalambanw, oti gia na qwrakistoyn aytoi oi nomoi kai na yparxei problech kai bebaiothta oti qa efarmostoyn, anagkastika problepontai kai kyrwseis se osoys toys parabiazoyn.

SABBOPOYLOY: Kyrie Ekproswpe, poios qa ylopoihsei ayth th ryqmish kai ean o mhxanismos qa einai etoimos. Dhladh, qa einai h astynomia, poios qa einai;

PETALWTHS: Exw pei kai alles fores oti yparxei to kratos, yparxei h Dikaiosynh, yparxei h astynomia. Opoy prepei na yparxoyn parembaseis ths Dikaiosynhs kai ths astynomias, yparxoyn oles oi nomimes probleceis, xwris na ginetai kamia kataxrhsh, ennoeitai. Emeis politeyomaste, mesw ths diaboyleyshs, mesw ths ejhghshs, ths analyshs. Alla, fysika, ola exoyn kai ta oria toys, poy arxizei kai poy teleiwnei h koinwnikh eirhnh.

SABBOPOYLOY: Dhladh, qa paei kapoios astynomikos, synodeia eisaggelea, se kapoion idiokthth kai qa toy pei ``exeis fyllo poreias, den exeis, exeis epitaxqei, den doyleyeis''; Na mas to ejhghsete ligo. Qa toy pei dhladh ``pairnw egw thn adeia'' h ``ylopoiw egw thn entolh toy ypoyrgoy'';

PETALWTHS: Yparxoyn diadikasies opoy problepontai ola ayta.

XYDIROGLOY: Na perasoyme se ena allo qema, me thn adeia sas: Diabazw gia mia hlektronikh karta agorwn, anti apodeijewn, ston Typo shmera kai malista megala reportaz. H dikh moy erwthsh einai h ejhs: Ti ginetai se ayth thn periptwsh me ta proswpika dedomena; Kai poios qa diaxeirizetai tis plhrofories gia thn oikonomikh mas drasthriothta kai poios en telei qa mas fylaei apo toys fylakes;

PETALWTHS: Ayto einai ena meros enos zhthmatos, to opoio qetete. Kai fysika h kybernhsh qelei na qespisei thn karta polith, opws yparxei se polles xwres, etsi wste na aplopoioyntai oi synallages, na aplopoieitai dhladh h synallagh toy Ellhna polith me to dhmosio, akomh perissotero. Kai fysika gia ta proswpika dedomena yparxoyn kai diatajeis.

XYDIROGLOY: Sygnwmh, ean egw qelw na kanw mia agora se ena sex shop, qa prepei na yparxei to hlektroniko apotypwma ths agoras moy; Sas dinw ena poly sygkekrimeno paradeigma, gia na sas deijw ta dilhmmata ta opoia prokyptoyn, ta opoia einai poly sobara. Giati to na yparxei katagrafh ths oikonomikhs drasthriothtas, kyrie Ekproswpe, shmainei oti yparxei thn idia stigmh katagrafh kai ths proswpikhs drasthriothtas. To sxolio sas.

PETALWTHS: Einai ena zhthma, to opoio qa teqei genikotera, kai gia thn karta toy polith kai gia ola ta zhthmata poy aforoyn mia hlektronikh parakoloyqhsh twn synallagwn mas. Yparxoyn polla tetoia zhthmata. Einai mia eykairia na ta qesoyme.

NTSOYNOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, na epanelqw ligo sthn ypoqesh Batopedioy. Milhsate kai gia zhmia kai xqes kai shmera. Anarwtiemai, sthn omilia toy o k. Roblias, ton perasmeno Ioynio, kostologhse th zhmia sto 1 dis eyrw. Xqes, o k. Amoiridhs, se thleoptikh toy synenteyjh, eipe oti ayth einai 400 ekatommyria eyrw. Anarwtiemai giati ayth h diafora; Yparxei sygxysh anamesa sta stelexh toy PASOK; Ena einai ayto kai ena deytero: Qelw na moy apanthsete, arage, poso qa kostisoyn sto ellhniko kratos aytes oi oktw nees ektimhseis poy exei paraggeilei h epitroph;

PETALWTHS: Prwta ap` ola, oi ektimhseis exoyn paraggelqei apo thn epitroph ths Boylhs. Ayto shmainei oti h epitroph ths Boylhs orizei kai to kostos aytwn twn ektimhsewn. Apo ekei kai pera, eipa kai prohgoymenws oti den yparxei kamia amfisbhthsh oti yparxei zhmia. To ycos ths zhmias mporei na poikilei. Kai fysika, den einai kai eykolo na kaqoristei epakribws to ycos ayths ths zhmias, apo th stigmh poy oles aytes oi perioysies, oi idiokthsies, perasan arxika apo to dhmosio pros thn iera monh me tis gnwstes meqodeyseis. Apo ekei kai pera, eginan antallages, oi opoies einai synqetes. Doqhkan me ergolabikh antiparoxh se idiwtes idiokthsies, oi opoies briskontai shmera sthn katoxh tritwn kai tetartwn. Synepws, to na apotimhqei akribws to ycos ths zhmias, enexei mia dysxereia. Shmera, se ayth th fash, toylaxiston, den mas endiaferoyn posa ekatommyria panw h posa ekatommyria katw einai h zhmia. Mas endiaferei oti yparxei zhmia. Me thn apokatastash ths perioysias toy dhmosioy tiqentai tetoia zhthmata. Yparxei, omws, mia diadikasia h opoia qa akoloyqhqei, otan prepei na akoloyqhqei. Ayto, omws, den empodizei se tipote na proxwrhsoyn aytes oi epitropes, giati einai allos o rolos aytwn twn epitropwn.

ZAFEIRIADOY: Sygnwmh, alla peran ths amfisbhthshs ths yparjhs zhmias, poy egine kai shmera apo melh ths ejetastikhs epitrophs...

PETALWTHS: Apo th Nea Dhmokratia mono amfisbhteitai h yparjh ths zhmias.

ZAFEIRIADOY: Nai, milw gia melos ths ejetastikhs epitrophs, prin pame sthn proanakritikh, ek meroys ths Neas Dhmokratias, o opoios amfisbhthse shmera sto radiofwno -o k. Plakiwtakhs- oti akomh kai sta dika toys porismata yphrxe ayth h anagnwrish zhmias, poy eseis epikaleiste. Peran aytoy, sas kathgoroyn gia kapoio organwmeno sxedio, profanws na steilete ton k. Karamanlh se Eidiko Dikasthrio. An oxi toso ``xontra'', sigoyra gia kapoio sxedio na spilwsete th dhmosia eikona toy. Thn apanthsh sas.

PETALWTHS: Kanena tetoio sxedio den yparxei. Emeis sebomaste ton k. Karamanlh, ws prwhn Prwqypoyrgo. Apo ekei kai pera, to qema einai, aytoi oi opoioi emplekoyn ton k. Karamanlh se tetoioy eidoys senaria kai poy einai mesa apo th Nea Dhmokratia, poso ton sebontai oi idioi, poso taytizontai me tis dikes toy apoceis kai poso ekqetoyn enan prwhn Prwqypoyrgo, otan ton bazoyn na gracei sthn epistolh toy oti shmera den yparxei skandalo Batopedioy, oti den yphrje pote zhmia sto ellhniko dhmosio, otan oi ypoyrgoi toy k. Karamanlh exoyn parei to dromo ths politikhs toys apomonwshs, logw ths symmetoxhs toys se ayto to skandalo kai otan oi boyleytes ths tote kybernhshs Karamanlh, alla kai ths shmerinhs Neas Dhmokratias grafoyn sta porismata toys oti yparxei safestata zhmia toy ellhnikoy dhmosioy. Ara, to qema spilwshs toy k. Karamanlh den exei kamia sxesh me thn olh ypoqesh. Kai an exei, afora th Nea Dhmokratia kai oxi emas. Se emas kamia tetoia proqesh den yparxei. Emas mas endiaferei h politikh antiparaqesh, mas endiaferei h diereynhsh kai h apokalych ths alhqeias, otan yparxei toso megalh blabh toy Ellhna polith mesa apo thn apwleia ths dhmosias perioysias kai ayto monon.

XYDIROGLOY: Xqes, dia stomatos toy ypoyrgoy Ejwterikwn ths xwras mas, toy k. Dhmhtrh Droytsa, akoysame, apo to bhma ths Genikhs Syneleyshs toy OHE, ymnoys gia thn pagkosmia diakybernhsh. H erwthsh moy exei dyo skelh: Exete katarghsei ws kybernhsh to kratos-eqnos estw kai se qewrhtiko epipedo h kapoioi apla biazontai na doyn ton Prwqypoyrgo sth qesh toy Genikoy Grammatea toy OHE;

PETALWTHS: Ayto to xioymoristiko senario sto opoio anaferqhkate prospaqoyn kapoioi na to kykloforhsoyn. Einai eysebeis poqoi kapoiwn, isws. Pantws, ayto poy xreiazomaste shmera, einai aytos, o sygkekrimenos Prwqypoyrgos, o opoios exei syneisferei me thn paroysia toy, me thn proswpikothta toy kai me tis kinhseis toy sth swthria ths xwras kai exei poly doyleia na kanei akomh, na thn kanei me ton kalytero tropo. Oson afora sta peri ``pagkosmias diakybernhshs'', ayto htan to qema ths Genikhs Syneleyshs toy OHE. Ara, panw se ayto to qema yparxoyn topoqethseis twn omiloyntwn. Kai fysika ton sebasmo pros to eqnos kai pros to kratos, emeis ton apodeiknyoyme synexeia kai einai aytonohto gia emas. Den xreiazetai kan apodeijh.

XYDIROGLOY: Mia toyrkikh korbeta, kobei boltes sto Aigaio kai eftase malista poly konta sto Soynio. Qymamai ta sxolia twn stelexwn toy kommatos sas, epi kybernhsews ths Neas Dhmokratias, otan yphrxan analoga peristatika. Alhqeia, twra poy kybernaei to PASOK kai symfwna me ta legomena sas, h dieqnhs qesh ths xwras mas anabaqmizetai, giati symbainei olo ayto to pragma sto Aigaio;

PETALWTHS: Opoy yparxoyn parabiaseis kai parabaseis toy enaerioy kai qalassioy xwroy, tis antimetwpizoyme me to nomimo kai deonta tropo.

SEGKOS: Xqes, h k. Katselh anakoinwse oti to Noembrio qa katateqei ypoyrgikh apofash, me thn opoia qa yperisxyoyn oi epixeirhsiakes symbaseis, enanti twn kladikwn. Einai kati tetoio stis proqeseis ths kybernhshs;

PETALWTHS: H k. Katselh milhse gia eyelijia stis ergasiakes sxeseis, mono proswrina kai monon otan yparxoyn idiaiteres synqhkes, xwrikes kai xronikes. Dhladh, an kapoia epixeirhsh kindyneyei na kleisei, tote mporei na yparjei mia symfwnia gia eyelijia se ergasiakes sxeseis, gia poly sygkekrimeno xroniko diasthma, mexri na mporesei na antapejelqei stis ypoxrewseis ths kai gia na mhn xasoyn th doyleia toys kai oi ergazomenoi. Ayto poy mporw na sas pw me sigoyria, einai oti opoiadhpote ryqmish yparxei qa exei san gnwmona ta ergasiaka symferonta kai to dhmosio symferon.

Sas eyxaristw.

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