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Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Paraskeyh, 24 Septembrioy 2010

Ariqmos Deltioy: 290784699

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KYBERNHTIKOS EKPROSWPOS

Aqhna, 24 Septembrioy 2010

GIWRGO PETALWTH

Kalo meshmeri.

Oi teleytaioi enteka mhnes yphrjan idiaitera krisimoi. Eprepe, se elaxisto xroniko diasthma, na allajei mia seira pragmatwn, pagiwmenwn opisqodromikwn antilhcewn, parwxhmenwn nootropiwn kai katastasewn. Oi allages htan kai einai monodromos.

Proxwrhsame amesa se rizikes allages, se oloys sxedon toys tomeis. Sto forologiko kaqestws, ston ejorqologismo toy asfalistikoy systhmatos, me th dhmioyrgia enos makropnooy asfalistikoy systhmatos poy eggyatai th syntajh twn paidiwn mas kai th biwsimothta twn tameiwn, sth dioikhtikh epanastash poy epiferei o ``Kallikraths'', sth drastikh perikoph twn spatalwn sto dhmosio tomea, sth diafaneia ths dhmosias dioikhshs me th ``Diaygeia''. Dwsame pnoh stoys elegktikoys mhxanismoys toy kratoys, oi opoioi epiteloys doyleyoyn yper toy koinwnikoy synoloy. H forodiafygh kai h diafqora epiteloys diwkontai.

Aytoys toys mhnes, pera apo th dhmosionomikh ejygiansh, mphkan oi baseis gia ena biwsimo, sobaro kai anaptyjiako montelo. H anaptyjh den mporoyse na erqei, otan h domh toy kratoys einai saqrh kai aphrxaiwmenh, otan h dhmosia dioikhsh kai h grafeiokratia pnigoyn kaqe kainotomia kai prwtoboylia.

Shmera exoyme qesei tis baseis enos ajiopistoy epitelikoy kratoys poy den apotelei pleon apotreptiko paragonta, alla antiqeta, prokalei to dieqnes endiaferon. Kai to prokalei akribws giati ginomaste ajiopistoi, synepeis stis ypoxrewseis mas kai eilikrineis apenanti, prwta stoys polites mas kai meta sth dieqnh koinothta.

Se liges hmeres qa erqoyn sto ypoyrgiko symboylio kai dyo sxedia nomoy gia thn epitaxynsh ths poinikhs dikhs, alla kai ths dioikhtikhs dikhs poy perilambanoyn metra, me amesh apodosh kai apotelesmata apta kai metrhsima gia ton Ellhna polith poy talaipwreitai kai poy perimenei poly perissotera apo th Dikaiosynh.

Kai einai ola ayta apotelesmata toy kopoy, ths prospaqeias kai ths boylhshs twn Ellhnwn politwn, gia mia diaforetikh xwra, gia mia nea prospaqeia, gia mia nea arxh. Apodeiknyoyme gia allh mia fora oti otan qeloyme, oloi mazi mporoyme na kanoyme tis megales allages. Mporoyme na eimaste ajiopistoi, mporoyme na qetoyme emeis toys oroys kai tis proypoqeseis gia na ginomaste elkystikoi se jenes kai egxwries ependyseis, elkystikoi ston Ellhna polith. Arkei na kinoymaste meqodika kai me isxyrh boylhsh, kati to opoio ginetai apo thn ayth kybernhsh.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

SIDERHS: Eipate oti epiteloys h forodiafygh kai h diafqora diwkontai. Ayto giati den to katalabainoyn oi dikoi sas boyleytes; Prin apo mia wra, o k. Flwridhs kai o k. Geitonas, sth Boylh, kathgorhsan ton k. Papakwnstantinoy oti me thn peraiwsh epibebaiwnei kai epibrabeyei toys forofygades.

PETALWTHS: Prwta apo ola, na shmeiwsw oti einai ejairetika qetiko kai einai endeiktiko ayths ths kybernhshs kai ayths ths paratajhs toy PASOK oti pleon stis armodies epitropes gia th Boylh ginetai enas pragmatikos dialogos, yparxei ``ojygono'' sthn politikh syzhthsh kai den phgainoyme stoixismenoi pisw apo kapoies grammes poy prepei na akoloyqoyntai. Ara, o,ti akoygetai se aytes tis epitropes, apo opoio boyleyth, apo opoio komma, eite ths sympoliteyshs eite ths antipoliteyshs, einai para poly shmantiko.

Ws pros to qema ths peraiwshs, eginan sygkekrimenes kai stoxeymenes kinhseis. Gi ayto to logo allwste, yphrje diaboyleysh me toys foreis, oi opoioi emplekontai me to qema. Emeis, etsi jekinhsame na leitoyrgoyme kai etsi qa leitoyrgoyme.

Ws pros thn oysia ths peraiwshs, qa hqela na pw to ejhs: Den epibrabeyoyme th forodiafygh. Akribws to antiqeto kanoyme. Deijame oloys aytoys toys mhnes, me tis apanwtes diastayrwseis poy ginontai gia prwth fora, toys elegxoys kai ta prostima, oti yparxei mia diaforetikh antilhch gia to pws antimetwpizoyme th forodiafygh. Deyteron, deijame oti mporoyme kai pianoyme osoys forodiafeygoyn kai ayto kaqe hmera qa ginetai pio entono. Hdh, prin apo dyo hmeres eixame th syllhch enos ypallhloy toy SDOE. Einai gnwsth periptwsh. Kai fysika ayto antikatoptrizei kai th boylhsh ths kybernhshs, h opoia exei perasei pleon to pneyma kai stoys mhxanismoys kai stoys Ellhnes polites oti den prokeitai na ginei anekth kamia tetoia parektroph kai malista apo anqrwpoys poy exoyn taxqei na fylattoyn ta dhmosia esoda kai na ta eisprattoyn kai oxi na eisprattoyn oi idioi, gia proswpiko toys ofelos.

Taytoxrona, kai ayto einai to shmantikotero, allazoyme rizika to plaisio ths forodiafyghs. Dhmioyrgoyme ena neo nomiko plaisio poy antimetwpizoyme th forodiafygh, gia na stamathsoyn na krybontai oi forofygades pisw apo mia atermonh diadikasia, twn ekkremwn dikastikwn ypoqesewn. Einai gnwsto ti qa symperilambanei ayth h peraiwsh. Prospaqoyme me ena tropo, timio kai dikaio, na kaqarisoyme to parelqon kai na proxwrhsoyme sto mellon.

H peraiwsh, loipon, entassetai se ena genikotero plaisio twn megalwn allagwn. Den einai mia prajh apo thn opoia prosdokoyme aplws, opws ginotan sto parelqon, na exoyme kapoia esoda, kati to opoio pragmatika epibrabeye toys mh eilikrineis forologoymenoys. Kai arkei na sas pw kapoioys ariqmoys, oi opoioi deixnoyn thn katastash sthn opoia briskomaste shmera: Exoyme 2,5 ekatommyria anelegktes xrhseis. Exoyme panw apo 30 disekatommyria eyrw poy ekkremodikoyn sta dikasthria. Exoyme 150 xiliades forologikes dikes poy ekkremoyn kai 1,3 ekatommyria Ellhnes me lhjiproqesmes ofeiles. Gia na telesidikhsei de mia apofash forologikhs diaforas sta dikasthria, apaitoyntai epta ews deka xronia. Antilambanomaste oti to megalytero meros olwn aytwn twn esodwn poy qa eprepe na eisprajei to kratos, den qa eispraxqoyn h den eisprattontan epi xronia kai mexri na oloklhrwqei h diadikasia ths eisprajhs, polla apo ayta ta proswpa, ta opoia ofeiloyn, eite den exoyn dynatothta na plhrwsoyn eite den briskontai kan sth zwh.

Ara, h peraiwsh afora kai polla disekatommyria xrhmata toy ellhnikoy dhmosioy poy epiteloys qa eispraxqoyn kai malista amesa.

Prepei apenanti se oles aytes tis diadikasias, poy gia na oloklhrwqoyn qa xreiastoyn xronia, kai en tw metajy to Dhmosio qa xanei polla ekatommyria eyrw, na yparxei mia antidrash. H dikh mas antidrash einai ayth kai apo ekei kai pera, fysika, gia o, ti xreiazetai, o,ti apaiteitai, eimaste anoixtoi ws kybernhsh kai to exoyme apodeijei, se protaseis kai diorqwseis kai eidikotera apo anqrwpoys, oi opoioi gnwrizoyn poly kala to antikeimeno.

MIXAHL: Kyrie Ekproswpe, mas ejhghsate gia poioys logoys ginetai h peraiwsh. Ti eftaije stoys enteka aytoys mhnes h ti den egine kai poies elleiceis yphrjan, etsi wste na mhn mporesete na syllabete megalytero meros ths forodiafyghs, apo ola ayta ta stoixeia poy mas perigracate kai twra kanete thn epilogh ths peraiwshs. Kai gia aytes tis elleiceis analambanete thn politikh eyqynh san kybernhsh wste na mhn epanalhfqoyn ston mellon kai na janaexoyme alloy, liga xronia argotera, jana mia peraiwsh;

PETALWTHS: Prwta apo ola, milame gia enteka mhnes kai oxi gia enteka xronia diakybernhshs. Kai malista sygkekrimenoys mhnes me tis gnwstes terasties dyskolies poy eixame na antimetwpisoyme. Emeis, parola ayta, kaname sygkekrimena bhmata. Allajame me nomo to forologiko systhma. Se deyterh fash fernoyme neo forologiko nomosxedio, me to opoio anadiarqrwnoyme toys foroeispraktikoys mhxanismoys, dhladh ton tropo poy eisprattontai oi foroi poy ofeilontai sto ellhniko dhmosio. Sth fash ayth, loipon, qeloyme na jekaqarisoyme me to parelqon. Ayta poy sas anefera einai ofeilomena edw kai para polla xronia, den einai ofeiles poy sygkentrwqhkan toys teleytaioys enteka mhnes. Den qa mporoysame na pame peraiterw an diagrafame kai xarizame, giati oysiastika qa eprokeito gia xarh, ean den yphrxe twra tropos na eispraxqoyn oi foroi poy einai terastioi, ean den kaname ayto to bhma ths peraiwshs. Epanalambanw oti h peraiwsh entassetai se ena geniko plaisio allaghs toy foroeispraktikoy systhmatos, pragma to opoio kanoyme. Exoyme dhlwsei, kai malista o ypoyrgos Oikonomikwn, aytes tis hmeres, oti mia seira apo efories den pianoyn toys stoxoys toys, den fernoyn ta esoda poy eprepe na feroyn sto ellhniko kratos. Ara proxwrame se mia anadiarqrwsh kai aytwn twn yphresiwn. Den epitrepetai omws, eidika se ayth th fash, na afhsoyme toso megales aneispraktes ofeiles, opws aytes poy sas anefera. Kai kyriws empedwnetai ston Ellhna polith to aisqhma oti allazoyme pleon, oti gyrizoyme selida, oti den yparxei atimwrhsia kai den yparxei kamia xaristikh prajh, apo edw kai pera. Otan, einai gnwsto to ti ginetai me mia aplh prosfygh, opoy oi ypoqeseis kratoyntai se kapoia syrtaria gia xronia kai otan fqanei h xronikh stigmh na ekdoqei apofash, oi forologoymenoi den exoyn pia th dynatothta na ta apodwsoyn. Ayto to gnwrizoyn pleon oloi oti den mporei na synexistei. Ayto kanoyme kai to kanoyme kai nomoqetika.

MIXAHL: Sas rwthsa k. Ekproswpe gia ton ejhs logo: dioti h kritikh poy sas askeitai, kyriws apo thn antipoliteysh, afora dyo stoixeia. Prwton, oti ena meros toy foroeispraktikoy mhxanismoy einai stelexh toy PASOK, ta opoia kata kapoio tropo kanoyn leykh apergia kai deyteron oti den kanate tis aparaithtes kinhseis edw kai enteka mhnes na diamorfwsete ayto ton basiko pyrhna toy foroeispraktikoy mhxanismoy kai phgate me poly kaqysterhmenh logikh na to sygkrothsete. Ep aytwn twn dyo epixeirhmatwn, poia einai h apanthsh sas.

PETALWTHS: Milaei h Nea Dhmokratia, h opoia, to eipa kai xqes, hrqe proeklogika to 2004 kai ejhggeile oti qa katarghsei to SDOE, to opoio kai oysiastika ekane. Yphrxe tetoia anelegkth kai anejelegkth katastash, poy kaneis den dhlwne kai kaneis den plhrwne apo aytoys poy eprepe kai mporoysan fysika na plhrwsoyn. Emeis balame terma se ayth th diafqora, balame terma se ayth thn atimwrhsia, apokatasthsame thn koinwnikh dikaiosynh. Kai to kanoyme synexeia me ton kalytero tropo. Oson afora gia stelexh toy PASOK poy einai stoys foroeispraktikoys mhxanismoys, ean to eipe ayto h Nea Dhmokratia, den to gnwrizw, emas den mas afora ti einai kaqenas. Ean h Nea Dhmokratia metra toys ypallhloys analoga me tis politikes topoqethseis toys, tote einai diko ths qema kai brisketai dekaeties pisw. Na pw kai kati allo. Pisteyw oti h Nea Dhmokratia den afhse kai polla stelexh toy PASOK na briskontai stoys foroeispraktikoys mhxanismoys, giati einai gnwsto pws epilegontan epi Neas Dhmokratias oi dieyqyntes twn dhmosiwn oikonomikwn yphresiwn, pws xeiragwgoyntan, pws elegxontan kai pws ginontan oi topoqethseis stoys foroeispraktikoys mhxanismoys. Emeis ayta ta afhnoyme sto parelqon, den mas endiaferei poios eisprattei, ean einai Nea Dhmokratia h PASOK h opoiasdhpote allhs topoqethshs. Emas mas endiaferei aytos poy einai tagmenos apo to Syntagma kai toys nomoys na elegxei kai na eisprattei, na kanei swsta th doyleia toy.

MOSXOBAS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, eseis mporei na endiafereste gia ola ayta, endiafereste kaqoloy gia to ean oi efories htan akefales epi 11 mhnes; Eforiakoi ekfrazoyn parapona, edw kai 11 mhnes oti oi efories einai akefales. Eite giati oi prohgoymenoi dieyqyntes poy htan pisteyan oti qa toys allajete logw ths kakws ennooymenhs synexeias toy kommatikoy kratoys, eite giati den ekanan swsta th doyleia toys. Ara, parelye to systhma, den ebazan kamia ypografh kai yphrjan kataggelies oti endexomenws yphrxan kapoioi poy epestrefan FPA, ws mh ofeilan, me polla ekatommyria eyrw kai ola ayta enw hsastan eseis kybernhsh. Den arghsate para poly na allajete h na topoqethsete h na kanete opoia diadikasia qelete gia na balete dioikhtes stis efories; Ayto einai to prwto erwthma.

PETALWTHS: Prwta ap` ola, na epanelqw kai na pw oti emas den mas endiefere na kanoyme aples allages, opws qa htan poly eykolo kai opws ginotan epi para polla xronia dhladh na antikatasthsoyme toys proistamenoys poy epeleje h N.D. me ta dika ths krithria, me proistamenoys oi opoioi qa proskeintai sto PASOK.

Deyteron, oi efories den htan akefales. Eixan proistamenoys.

Triton, efoson yphrxe h kataggelia h h yponoia oti oi proistamenoi aytoi den kanoyn th doyleia toys, yphrxan kai periptwseis poy antikatastaqhkan. Apo ekei kai pera, den qa xarizame oyte qa mataiwname thn poly megalh prospaqeia poy kaname kai apodeixqhke oti telesforhse, na exoyme monimes ajiologikes epiloges, ws pros toys proistamenoys twn dhmosiwn oikonomikwn yphresiwn. Ayta gia ta opoia kathgoroysame kai kathgoroyme th N.D., den qa ta kanoyme pote emeis. Den qa antikaqistoysame toys kommatikoys proistamenoys ths N.D. me kommatikoys proistamenoys toy PA.SO.K. To megalo zhthma einai na kanoyme ekeines tis megales allages, na qesoyme ekeines tis baseis, wste kanena komma sto mellon, na mh dianohqei na kanei ayta poy ginontan sto parelqon kai poy ekane kyriws kai me epaggelmatikh akribeia h N.D.

MOSXOBAS: Ean moy epitrepete, na epanelqw sto prwto erwthma. Oi idioi oi boyleytes sas, o k. Flwridhs, o k. Kartalhs, o k. Geitonas kai alloi eipan sygkekrimena pragmata. Peran toy hqikoy, an epibrabeyei h oxi toys forofygades ayth h ryqmish ths peraiwshs - poy etsi einai- yparxei to praktiko zhthma, mia anakoloyqia se sxesh me ayta poy eixate pei. O idios k. Papakwnstantinoy diabebaiwne oti den apaithqoyn alla metra. Fainetai gia to epomeno diasthma, kaqws einai yper arketa kai oxi mono ayto, alla yparxei kai ena majilari sta metra ayta. H peraiwsh deixnei, mallon paniko. Den to lew egw, to lene oi boyleytes sas. Deixnei oti mallon oyte majilari yparxei, oyte ta metra epitygxanoyn toso oso eseis lete, toylaxiston. Ti apantate;

PETALWTHS: Prwta ap` ola, h peraiwsh den einai metra, etsi opws synhqisame na ta leme, na ta diabazoyme kai na ta akoyme. Eipame oti h metrologia qa prepei na stamathsei, giati akribws den antapokrinetai sthn pragmatikothta.

MOSXOBAS: Metro einai gia na mazecete xrhmata.

PETALWTHS: Akribws ayto lew. Oti den einai metro gia na mazecoyme xrhmata. Oti h peraiwsh einai akribws mia ryqmish h opoia bazei terma se olh ayth thn anejelegkth katastash, h opoia yphrxe sthn eisprajh twn forologikwn esodwn. Thn entassoyme se ena genikotero plaisio allaghs kai toy tropoy eisprajhs kai toy tropoy bebaiwshs twn forwn. Den erxetai oyranokatebata, einai entagmenh se ena genikotero makroproqesmo plaisio. Kai protoy kanoyme tis megales allages, protoy efarmostoyn oi megales allages, poy tis qetoyme me sygkekrimeno nomosxedio, eprepe na jekaqarisoyme me to parelqon. Ayta ta xrhmata den qa eisprattontan, ayto htan sigoyro, gia toys logoys poy ejhghsa kai prohgoymenws kai gnwrizoyme para poly kala. Ayth einai h qesh ths kybernhshs, ayth htan kai h apanthsh toy k. Papakwnstantinoy sthn Epitroph. Kai sas anefera oti apo ekei kai pera oti emeis tis syzhthseis stis epitropes ths Boylhs kai se ola ta koinoboyleytika organa, tis blepoyme san syzhthseis poy ginontai se ena pedio antallaghs apocewn.

MOSXOBAS: Kai mia teleytaia dieykrinish. Qa parasxete amnhstia kai se osoys exoyn eikonika timologia, opws rwthse enas boyleyths sas; To dieykrinizete ayto;

PETALWTHS: Prwta ap` ola, den parexoyme amnhstia se kanenan. Ayto einai dedomeno. Peraiwsh den shmainei oti den plhrwnoyn aytoi oi opoioi eixan ypoxrewsh na plhrwsoyn. Peraiwsh shmainei oti ryqmizontai xreh, ta opoia einai amesa apaithta, me kapoies megales doseis. Ayta ta xrhmata mpainoyn sto tameio toy dhmosioy, poy kata thn apoch mas, kai to leei kai h empeiria olwn mas, den qa empainan pote. Oson afora stis ejaireseis, yparxoyn ejaireseis kai mia ap` aytes einai oti osoi exoyn eikonika timologia, den qa symmetexoyn s` ayth th diadikasia ths peraiwshs.

PETOYRH: O proedros ths N.D. ejhggeile xqes ejetastikh epitroph gia to mnhmonio. Kai epeidh kai eseis exete anaferqei se ejetastikh epitroph gia thn oikonomia, anarwtiemai mhpws oi ejetastikes epitropes, exoyn jefygei, pleon, apo to skopo ths diereynhshs twn skandalwn kai kaqe kybernhsh qelei na exei thn ejetastikh epitroph ths. To sxolio sas.

PETALWTHS: H N.D. xqes ekane opws kanoyn ta mikra paidia. Giati na to kaneis esy ayto, qa to kanw kai egw. Ayto, omws, qa mporoyse na htan xaritwmeno, an ginotan sth diadikasia enos paixnidioy. Otan ginetai sth diadikasia mias ypotiqetai sobarhs syzhthshs sthn koinoboyleytikh omada ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs, apo enan arxhgo, o opoios exei ypoxrewsh, toylaxiston, na diatypwnei sobares protaseis, gia na mporesoyn na anakthsoyn thn ajiopistia toys, thn opoia exasan me thn ejaeth diakybernhsh, tote pragmatika den exei kaqoloy xarh kai den einai kaqoloy asteio. O k. Samaras milhse gia ejetastikh epitroph gia to mnhmonio, otan prwta ap` ola kai o k. Abramopoylos kai epilekta stelexh exoyn kanei sygkekrimenes dhlwseis oti poly piqanon na ypografame kai emeis to mnhmonio, ean hmastan kybernhsh, alla me diaforetikoys oroys. As peisei, loipon, prwta ap` ola, ta stelexh ths paratajhs toy ta opoia exoyn kai sygkekrimeno rolo, rolo antiproedroy k.a, oti ayth h istoria me to mnhmonio kai to antimnhmonio einai mia sobarh istoria. Mia istoria h opoia armozei se mia sobarh ajiwmatikh antipoliteysh kai meta na nomizei oti mporei na mas apeilei me ejetastikh epitroph gia to mnhmonio. Emeis, antiqeta, kanoyme ejetastikes epitropes, giati den mporoyme na anextoyme thn atimwrhsia twn politikwn kai malista, otan yparxoyn apodedeigmenes parabatikes symperifores, toylaxiston se politiko epipedo, giati h paraplanhsh me ta parapoihmena stoixeia poy stelname stoys etairoys mas kai basei twn opoiwn xasame thn ajiopistia mas kai yfistameqa shmera tis synepeies, einai mia pragmatikothta. Emeis milame gia pragmatikothta. O k. Samaras brisketai kapoy anamesa sto baqy parelqon kai sto makrino mellon, mexri shmeioy na mh ginetai antilhpto.

ZAFEIRIADOY: Kyrie Ypoyrge, pantws, fantazomai oti eseis qa hsastan poly qetikoi se mia ejetastikh epitroph gia to mnhmonio, dedomenoy oti h pagia epixeirhmatologia ths kybernhshs sas einai oti ekei mas odhghse h N.D.

PETALWTHS: Gi` ayto, akribws, kai h protash toy k. Samara den enexei stoixeio sobarothtas.

KOYTRAS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, prin apo ligh wra, oi idiokthtes kai oi odhgoi forthgwn elaban apofash gia synexish toy agwna toys kai malista me pio entonoys ryqmoys. Yparxei kapoio sxolio apo thn kybernhsh;

PETALWTHS: Oi ekproswpoi twn idiokthtwn forthgwn zhtoysan eggrafws ayta ta opoia exei yposxeqei kai exei desmeytei dhmosiws h kybernhsh. Ayto egine me epistolh poy estalh shmera apo ton armodio ypoyrgo k. Reppa, gia ola ta eyergethmata poy exoyn, prokeimenoy na kalycoyn ayto to stadio metabatikothtas apo to kaqestws toy kleistoy epaggelmatos sto kaqestws toy anoixtoy kai eleyqeroy epaggelmatos. Ean den antilambanontai to symferon kai twn idiwn kai to symferon toy koinwnikoy synoloy, einai ypeyqynoi oi idioi h oi hgesies toys poy apofasizoyn th synexish h mh twn kinhtopoihsewn. Apo ekei kai pera, yparxei chfismenos nomos toy kratoys. Emeis exoyme odhghqei, mexri shmera, me gnwmona thn apofasistikothta kai thn cyxraimia. Kai fysika, osoi parabainoyn toys nomoys, exoyn kai tis antistoixes synepeies.

SIDERHS: Ep` aytoy, na rwthsw kati, mia dieykrinistikh erwthsh. Aytoi poy katebainoyn stoys dromoys kai apeiloyn na kleisoyn toys dromoys einai epistrateymenoi;

PETALWTHS: Einai gnwsto oti briskontai se epitajh.

SIDERHS: Ekfylisate kai thn epitajh.

PETALWTHS: Exoyme mia sygkekrimenh qewrhsh. Ayto poy sas eipa ``apofasistikothta kai cyxraimia'', einai akribws ayto poy mas odhghse sto na exoyme ena nomo toy kratoys me tis elaxistes synepeies kai epiptwseis. As dei kaneis istorika ti exei ginei se analoges periptwseis, se eyrwpaikes kai mh xwres.

KOYTRAS: Epeidh kanate shmaia th syllhch toy ypallhloy toy SDOE, yparxei kapoio sxolio apo thn kybernhsh gia to pws kinhqhke h Eisaggeleas ekei sthn Kerkyra, poy ton afhse eleyqero;

PETALWTHS: Prwta ap` ola, den to kaname shmaia mas. Eipame oti emeis shmatodotoyme to aytonohto, to opoio mexri twra, profanws, den einai kai toso aytonohto. Opoios analogizetai oti mporei na ypejairei dhmosio xrhma kai den einai synephs sto rolo poy toy exei anateqei, qa ypostei kai sygkekrimenes synepeies. Apo ekei kai pera, einai qema Dikaiosynhs. Gnwrizoyme to oti afeqhke eleyqeros. Akoloyqhqhke mia diadikasia alla yparxei kai h paraggelia toy Eisaggelea toy Areioy Pagoy na elegxqei ayth h symperifora twn dikastikwn Arxwn.

MOSXOBAS: Hqela dyo dieykriniseis. H mia afora th symfwnia sto Katar. Qelete na mas peite, telika, an symperielhfqh h ypoqesh - giati den prolabame na to diabasoyme h den exoyme tis leptomereies...

PETALWTHS: Qa yparjei anakoinwsh.

MOSXOBAS: ... H ypoqesh toy Ellhnikoy sto kat` arxhn mnhmonio poy ypegrafh;

PETALWTHS: Den exei symperilhfqei to Ellhniko. Kai ayta poy diabasame einai senaria. Yparxei ena genikotero plaisio synergasias poy exei ypografei anamesa sthn Ellada kai sto Katar, poy afora sthn anaptyjh kai sthn enisxysh ths oikonomikhs synergasias eidikotera ston tomea twn ependysewn.

MOSXOBAS: Otan lete ``prasinh anaptyjh'' ennoeite to mhkos ths tsoxas; Dioti erwthqhke o k. Papandreoy ean qa ginei Las Begkas kai den to apekleise.

PETALWTHS: Profanws to erwthma teqhke me asteio tropo, giati oyte Las Begkas qa ginoyme, oyte milame gia kazino. An kai profanws kapoioi qa to hqelan. Emeis exoyme sygkekrimeno sobaro plaisio synergasias. As mhn jexname oti to sygkekrimeno kratiko kefalaio toy Katar afora ependyseis mexri 5 dis eyrw kai einai apo ta pio ajiopista ependytika kefalaia se olo ton kosmo. Ayto apo mono toy, nomizw oti arkei. Ekeino to opoio kratame, pera apo to praktiko ths ypoqeshs einai oti einai shmantiko gia mas na yparxei h endeijh empistosynhs apo sobaroys ependytes, opws egine en prokeimenw.

MOSXOBAS: Kai h deyterh dieykrinish afora sth diamonh toy k. Papandreoy. Epeidh akoysame kai xqes plhrofories, eipate kai eseis o idios oti qa ta dwsete sth dhmosiothta, efoson xreiastei. Akoysame plhrofories oti qa yparjei synexeia ston kyriakatiko Typo gia to poy diemeine. Mporeite na diabebaiwsete oti den kleisthke oyte gia mia synanthsh h sygkekrimenh soyita poy anaferetai, sto sygkekrimeno jenodoxeio;

PETALWTHS: Ekeino to opoio diabebaiwnoyme einai oti oyte kan skech, oyte kan protash gia diamonh yphrje sto sygkekrimeno jenodoxeio. Kai fysika ayta poy legontan, ypotiqetai me dhmosiografikh sobarothta, ``oti diemene se ayto to jenodoxeio me tosa xrhmata'', nomizw oti den antexoyn sth stoixeiwdh apanthsh.

MOSXOBAS: Allo rwthsa.

PETALWTHS: Kai egw sas apanthsa.

MOSXOBAS: An kleisthke dwmatio gia sygkekrimenh synanthsh. Den eipa oti diemene.

PETALWTHS: An xreiastei, qa apanthqei.

MOSXOBAS: Sas to rwtw.

PETALWTHS: Sas anefera, oti an xreiastei qa apanthqei. Alla, na moy epitrecete na pw kai kati allo. Otan o Prwqypoyrgos brisketai sto ejwteriko, exei ena sygkekrimeno programma, ena programma poy monon na to parakoloyqhsei kaneis pragmatika apodeiknyei poia einai h symbolh toy Prwqypoyrgoy sthn anakthsh ajiopistias ths xwras mas. Ean kapoioi asxoloyntai kai malista me ceydh tropo, gia to poy diemene kai pws diemene, adikei thn idia th xwra.

MIXAHL: Pisteyete oti eixe sxedio apajiwshs toy tajidioy toy Prwqypoyrgoy;

PETALWTHS: Eseis milhsate gia sxedio apajiwshs. Egw sas eipa ti ginetai, en prokeimenw. Rwthste toys synadelfoys sas, an eixan tetoio sxedio.

Kalo Sabbatokyriako.

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