Greek Government Press Briefing, 10-09-15

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Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Tetarth, 15 Septembrioy 2010

Ariqmos Deltioy: 289301711

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KYBERNHTIKOS EKPROSWPOS

Aqhna, 15 Septembrioy 2010

GIWRGO PETALWTH

Kalo meshmeri.

Yperchfisthke, xqes, epi ths arxhs to nomosxedio gia tis Enoples Dynameis. Prokeitai gia akomh mia tomh ths kybernhshs poy lynei polla xronia problhmata, toso stoys tomeis ths diafaneias, ths ajiokratias, oso kai sthn epixeirhsiakh etoimothta kai ton eksygxronismo toy strateymatos. Qemelios liqos einai h pragmatikh 35etia poy pleon isxyei kai gia toys stratiwtikoys, opws kai gia oloys toys ypoloipoys ergazomenoys.

Apodeiknyetai gia allh mia fora, h boylhsh ths kybernhshs na epiferei oysiastikes allages se olo to fasma toy dhmosioy bioy. Allages poy beltiwnoyn thn kaqhmerinothta toy polith, poy kaqierwnoyn mia nea sxesh empistosynhs metajy kratoys kai politwn kai anadeiknyoyn mia nea nootropia, makria apo paqogeneies kai taktikes toy parelqontos.

To PASOK apotelei paragonta staqerothtas gia ton topo, forea proodeytikwn idewn kai apodeiknyei oti proxwra se apofaseis gia thn ejygiansh ths oikonomias, toy kratoys kai ths koinwnias, ekfrazontas sygxronws thn agwnia twn politwn.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

BLAXOS: Mia kai milate gia agwnia, epeidh xqes o Prwqypoyrgos edwse ton xarakthra dhmochfismatos stis ekloges toy Noembrioy, ara loipon osoi polites qeloyn na synexistoyn ta metra ths kybernhshs, qa prepei na chfisoyn toys anqrwpoys poy sthrizei to PASOK. Osoi, omws, den chfisoyn toys anqrwpoys toy PASOK, ti qa kanei h kybernhsh, an einai pleiochfia aytoi;

PETALWTHS: O Prwqypoyrgos xqes htan safhs. Milhse gia dhmochfisma gia ton ``Kallikrath'', gia tis megales allages poy epiferei o ``Kallikraths'', poy shmainei oti osoi chfisoyn tis epiloges toy PASOK, sthrizoyn ayth th sygkroysh me to parelqon, sthrizoyn th sygkroysh me to katesthmeno, me logikes kai praktikes toy parelqontos. Ayto einai to megalo stoixhma poy bazoyme kai ayto einai to dhmochfisma poy anefere xqes o Prwqypoyrgos.

BLAXOS: Osoi dhladh den ton chfisoyn, qa parete pisw ton ``Kallikrath'';

PETALWTHS: Nomizw oti ayto poy eipe o Prwqypoyrgos einai aytonohto, oti to megalo diakybeyma einai oi megales allages poy erxontai me ton ``Kallikrath'' kai oi megales allages poy ginontai mesa sto kratos, sto epiteliko kratos kai fysika, sthn Aytodioikhsh.

BLAXOS: Wraia. Otan leei o Prwqypoyrgos, omws, dhmochfisma, dhmochfisma shmainei oti oi polites chfizoyn kai h epibrabeyoyn kati kai to opoio proxwraei h apodokimazoyn kati kai h kybernhsh tote, symfwna me to dhmochfisma, poy eipe o idios o Prwqypoyrgos, to pairnei pisw. Egw rwtw loipon: ean den parei thn pleiochfia to PASOK me aytoys poy yposthrizei, qa parete pisw ton ``Kallikrath'' h qa allajete kati sthn oikonomikh sas politikh;

PETALWTHS: H logikh sas exei laqos afethria. Otan leme ``dhmochfisma'', ennooyme oti o laos empisteyetai tis megales allages. Den einai dhmochfisma ypo thn stenh ennoia toy oroy, oyte dhmoskophsh einai. Oi aytodioikhtikes ekloges exoyn to diko toys xarakthra. Oi aytodioikhtikes ekloges exoyn sxesh me tis politikes panw ston tomea ths Aytodioikhshs, fysika kai ta proswpa poy tis ylopoioyn. Gia ayto akribws qesame kai emeis sygkekrimena krithria gia na yposthrijoyme ayta ta proswpa. Den symfwnw me th logikh sas. Allo eipe o Prwqypoyrgos.

BLAXOS: Mporeite na moy peite, sas parakalw poly, poy diabasate, se poio biblio diabasate thn ermhneia toy dhmochfismatos, opws mas thn paroysiazete, gia na th diabasoyme kai emeis, na th maqoyme, giati eimaste blaxoi;

PETALWTHS: Ayto den einai aparaithta kako...

BLAXOS: E, poy to diabasate, loipon... ;

PETALWTHS: Den xreiazetai na to diabasei kaneis. Einai h aplh logikh poy polles fores exei laqos anagnwseis h diaforetikes anagnwseis. Eseis, an qelete na onomasete ``dhmochfisma'', me th stenh ennoia toy oroy, to pws qa chfisei o ellhnikos laos, emeis exoyme allh antilhch. Ayth thn antilhch ejefrase xqes o Prwqypoyrgos, qelontas na tonisei, akribws, th megalh spoydaiothta poy dinoyme se aytes tis poly megales allages toy ``Kallikrath''.

MOYRELATOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, fantazomai oti pera toy dhmochfismatos gia ton ``Kallikrath'' poy einai eylogo etsi opws to topoqethse o Prwqypoyrgos einai kai mia politikh maxh oi ekloges ths 7hs Noembrioy kai ejagontai politika symperasmata. Exete balei phxh gia to kybernwn komma;

PETALWTHS: O monos phxhs poy bazoyme einai oi megales allages sthn Aytodioikhsh kai kata synepeia sto epiteliko kratos. Opoios prospaqei na bazei phxeis kai na metraei me tis chfoys h me to poies perifereies kai poioi dhmoi qa pane, ypotiqetai, sta kommata, tote ypobaqmizei ton megalo qesmo ths Topikhs Aytodioikhshs. Kai emeis ayto den to kanoyme. Ta symperasmata, fysika, poy bgainoyn, einai symperasmata poy qa epidexontai kai ermhneies. Emeis, omws, aisqanomaste oti hdh petyxame, afoy aytes tis poly megales allages kai metarryqmiseis mono h dikh mas kybernhsh tolmhse na tis kanei kai malista katw apo tetoies synqhkes.

MAKRYGIANNHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, epitrecte alla to 2006 qymamai oti o Prwqypoyrgos, me aformh tis dhmotikes ekloges eixe pei oti to politiko skhniko allazei. To 2009, epishs, stis eyrwekloges, se mia allh dhladh anametrhsh, peran twn eqnikwn eklogwn, eixe milhsei eyqews gia dhmochfisma. Giati se aytes, twra, tis ekloges den qetei ton xarakthra dhmochfismatos gia th synolikh kybernhtikh politikh. Ti fobatai;

PETALWTHS: H kybernhsh den fobatai tipote. To 2010 den einai to 2006, oyte to 2009. Aytes oi ekloges exoyn thn idiaiterothta toys giati diakybeyontai shmantikes allages. Edw, den pame na eklejoyme aplws, kapoioys dhmarxoys kai kapoioys perifereiarxes. Oi allages poy ginontai einai toso megales kai ayth einai h monadikh kybernhsh poy tolmhse na tis kanei. As mhn kanoyme sygkriseis. H apoch kai h antilhch mas fainetai oxi mono sto ti leme shmera, alla kai apo to ti kaname, eidika ston tomea ths Topikhs Aytodioikhshs olo ayto to endekamhno.

MAKRYGIANNHS: Me sygxwreite, alla ws antipoliteysh qelate na katadikasete synolika th kybernhsh...

PETALWTHS: Den einai to idio.

MAKRYGIANNHS: Ayta elege kai h Nea Dhmokratia tote.

PETALWTHS: Den mporoyme na taytizoyme kai na sygkrinoyme anomoia pragmata. Oyte tote ws antipoliteysh legame alla, kai twra leme alla. Einai toso eidikes aytes oi ekloges kai exei prosdioristei to eidiko toys baros kai apo ton idio ton Prwqypoyrgo, alla akribws qesame kai ta krithria ths yposthrijhs mas se sygkekrimena proswpa me bash ayth thn antilhch poy exoyme.

BLAXOS: Ara, dinete politikh diastash sto apotelesma. Ayto lete.

PETALWTHS: An qelete eseis na bgalete ta dika sas symperasmata, na ta bgalete.

BLAXOS: Me sygxwreite kyrie Ekproswpe, den eimaste edw gia na bgazoyme symperasmata. Eseis eipate ena pragma: Edw einai idiaiteres ekloges, diakybeyontai oi allages, den pame na eklejoyme perifereiarxh h dhmarxo, edw qa kriqoyn oi allages. Ara, dinete politikh diastash.

PETALWTHS: Anefera oti den pame aplws na eklejoyme proswpa.

BLAXOS: Ara, opoios diafwnei me tis kybernhtikes epiloges ``mayrizei'' toys ypochfioys, opoios symfwnei, chfizei. Kai analogh qa einai kai h dhlwsh sas oson afora ton Prwqypoyrgo.

PETALWTHS: Eidate oti ta symperasmata sas einai teleiws ayqaireta kai teleiws se ena diko sas dromo; Hmoyn safhs, safestatos. Eseis odhgeiste opoy qelete kai einai dikaiwma sas.

MARAQIAS: Hqela na rwthsw an o Prwqypoyrgos sto plaisio twn dhmotikwn kai perifereiakwn eklogwn, qa kanei periodeies kai episkeceis stis perifereies, prokeimenoy na sthrijei toys ypochfioys toy kybernwntos kommatos.

PETALWTHS: To programma toy Prwqypoyrgoy den exei prosdioristei akomh. Qa anakoinwqei otan prosdioristei.

SEGKOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, to PASOK sxediazei na sygkybernhsei, estw kai atypws, me to LAOS kai th Dhmokratikh Aristera; Giati ayto katalabainoyme apo th xqesinh anafora toy Prwqypoyrgoy sto Eqniko Symboylio, oti to PASOK synenwnei oles ekeines tis dynameis poy epiqymoyn thn allagh. Ektos kai an ennoei th synergasia mono me thn troika.

PETALWTHS: Synenwnei poy;

SEGKOS: Gyrw apo koinoys stoxoys, eipe o Prwqypoyrgos.

PETALWTHS: Milwntas gia tis aytodioikhtikes ekloges, ena apo ta krithria poy qesame gia thn epilogh sthrijhs se sygkekrimena proswpa, pera apo thn ikanothta toys kai th boylhsh na yphrethsoyn sto qesmo ths Topikhs Aytodioikhshs, einai kai h ikanothta toys na sygkentrwsoyn sto proswpo toys eyryteres koinwnikes dynameis. Ayth einai h aytodioikhsh. Emeis pisteyoyme sthn aytodioikhsh, gi` ayto qesame kai ayto to krithrio.

MIXAHL: Kyrie Ekproswpe, exw dyo erwthseis. H prwth erwthsh einai, me aformh thn prohgoymenh syzhthsh, oti dyo tina symbainoyn: H o Prwqypoyrgos aisqanetai politika isxyros toso poy qetei ayto to dilhmma, opws mas to perigracate, gia na enisxysei akomh perissotero thn politikh toy paroysia kai kyriarxia sto politiko skhniko h fobatai oti den qa ``perpathsei'' ayth h politikh epilogh kai epidiwkei me ayto ton tropo na desmeysei kata kapoion tropo chfoforoys kai kommata. Poia apo tis dyo isxyei;

PETALWTHS: Etsi opws to qetete, den isxyei kamia giati einai dikh sas ermhneia. O Prwqypoyrgos htan safestatos. Anefere thn ennoia toy dhmochfismatos. Einai dhmochfisma gia tis megales allages. As meinoyme se ayta poy eipe o Prwqypoyrgos. Kaqenas, epanalambanw, exei to dikaiwma na ta eklambanei, na ta sxoliazei kai na ta krinei, opws qelei. To idio kai eseis fysika.

MIXAHL: Qelw epishs na sas rwthsw gia ena allo qema. Dexeste sklhrh kritikh, oti ayta poy syzhtate me toys idiokthtes bytioforwn kai forthgwn dhmosias xrhsews, isws einai yperbolika polla, toys dinete dhladh yperbolika polla gia na mhn synexisoyn tis kinhtopoihseis. Ayth h kritikh qewrei oti yponomeyetai se shmantiko baqmo h prospaqeia sas na anoijei ayto to kleisto epaggelma. Ti apantate;

PETALWTHS: Den yparxei kamia ypanaxwrhsh, oyte fysika kamia paraxwrhsh stoys idiokthtes twn forthgwn dhmosias xrhshs kai bytioforwn. Hdh to nomosxedio gia thn apeleyqerwsh aytoy toy epaggelmatos syzhteitai shmera sthn Epitroph ths Boylhs. Einai gnwsto oti qa akoloyqhsoyn kai alla nomosxedia gia thn apeleyqerwsh twn ypoloipwn kleistwn epaggelmatwn. Oi ekproswpoi twn forewn exoyn klhqei sth Boylh. Yparxei sygkekrimenh diadikasia kai emeis emmenoyme kai kanoyme tis rhjeis mas, rhjeis poy einai aparaithtes gia na diasfalistei to dhmosio symferon, eidika se ayth thn epoxh.

MIXAHL: Th stash ths Neas Dhmokratias pws thn krinete;

PETALWTHS: H Nea Dhmokratia einai ypeyqynh gia th stash ths. H Nea Dhmokratia dystyxws, se ola ayta ta xronia ths diakybernhshs ths den ekane kamia metarryqmish. An proxwroysan aytes oi metarryqmiseis, aytes oi megales apofaseis ta prohgoymena xronia qa eixame apofygei polles apo tis synepeies poy yfistatai shmera o Ellhnas poliths.

MAKRYGIANNHS: Epeidh eipate kyrie Ekproswpe, nwritera, oti einai dhmochfisma gia tis megales allages epeidh megales allages, loipon, einai kai to anoigma twn kleistwn epaggelmatwn, gia paradeigma...

PETALWTHS: Gia ton ``KALLIKRATH'' milame, gia to kratos, th dioikhsh kai thn aytodioikhsh.

MAKRYGIANNHS: Na pei kapoios thn apoch toy.

PETALWTHS: Emeis eimaste ypoxrewmenoi na kanoyme ayta poy den eginan edw kai xronia. Kai ayto to kanoyme xwris na ypologizoyme to politiko kostos, giati eimaste sigoyroi oti oles aytes oi apofaseis, oi megales allages kai oi rhjeis einai pros to symferon toy Ellhna polith. Erxomaste na qerapeysoyme paqogeneies dekaetiwn kai prowqwntas megales allages, prospaqwntas sygxronws na swsoyme th xwra. Hdh to kaname kai to kanoyme ayto.

BLAXOS: Na meinw ligo stoys benzinades poy endiaferei toys pantes. Akoysa thn kybernhsh na leei oti bazei to plafon epeidh kapoioi kakoi benzinades- kai swsta to leei- ayjhsan to Sabbatokyriako, otan eidan na gemizoyn oyres me ta aytokinhta gia na baloyn kaysima, tis times. Maqame, omws, xqes oti to idio diasthma, anebasan tis times xwris na yparxei emfanhs logos, giati ap` o,ti blepw h timh toy argoy petrelaioy diarkws peftei, ta diylisthria. Ta diylisthria anhkoyn se dyo sygkekrimenoys epixeirhmaties. Mhpws einai kalytera na parete aytoys toys dyo epixeirhmaties na katebasoyn tis times kai meta na pate stoys ypoloipoys, bytioforeis kai benzinades; Fobaste na jekinhsete to plafon apo ta diylisthria; Exete kapoio logo;

PETALWTHS: Emeis prostateyoyme to symferon toy Ellhna polith, toy Ellhna katanalwth. To plafon to opoio mphke - gia na to jekaqarisoyme- einai h mesh timh poy oi idioi oi benzinopwles kataqetoyn sto parathrhthrio timwn. Einai o mesos oros. Efoson aytos o mesos oros allajei, allazei kai to plafon. Ara, einai dedomeno oti h telikh timh, thn opoia kataballei o Ellhnas poliths, na einai ayth h opoia lambanetai ypoch gia to plafon. Kai emas mas afora amesa kai monon ayto. Apo ekei kai pera, yparxei mia oloklhrh epejergasia kai mia synolikh optikh poy exei amesh sxesh me th megalh forodiafygh poy diapistwnetai ston tomea twn kaysimwn. Ayta, omws, periexontai se mia synolikh antimetwpish ths kybernhshs, h opoia proxwraei parallhla me ayto poy kanoyme shmera. Alla shmera, gia na mporesoyme na prostateysoyme ton Ellhna katanalwth prepei na baloyme plafon -kai ayto kaname- sthn timh ths benzinhs.

BLAXOS: Ara, prepei na pate sta diylisthria kai den to kanete.

PETALWTHS: Sas eipa oti ayth einai mia dikh sas qewrhsh. H qewrhsh ths Politeias einai ayth poy efarmozoyme.

BLAXOS: Ayto lene oi benzinopwles kai ayto leei o nomos. O nomos leei plafon se olh th raxokokalia ths emporias.

PETALWTHS: O nomos einai sygkekrimenos. To plafon tiqetai me koinh ypoyrgikh apofash, etsi opws mphke. Emeis me ayth thn politikh mas prostateyoyme ton Ellhna polith kai ton Ellhna katanalwth.

BLAXOS: Kai aytoys poy exoyn ta diylisthria prostateyete; Ayto leei olos o kosmos. Oti den tolmate na ta balete me toys epixeirhmaties kai ta bazete me toys benzinopwles.

PETALWTHS: Ayta, kyrie Blaxo, ta lete eseis, den ta leei o kosmos.

BLAXOS: Ta leei olos o kosmos poy kykloforei, kyrie Ypoyrge.

PETALWTHS: Emeis prostateyoyme ton Ellhna katanalwth. Kai molis eidame oti oi times se kapoia benzinadika einai megalyteres ap` aytes poy dikaiologoyntai kai ara yparxei aisxrokerdeia kai kerdoskopia, drasame amesws kai droyme amesws, bazontas plafon. Gnwrizoyme para poly kala to ti ginetai sta kaysima, prostateyoyme, omws, to dhmosio symferon kai ton polith me ayto poy kanoyme kai gi` ayto na eiste sigoyroi.

MOYRELATOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, shmera dhmosiopoihqhke, an den apatwmai, ekqesh toy DNT, h opoia afenos apodidei ta eyshma sthn ellhnikh kybernhsh gia thn prospaqeia poy exei katablhqei mexri shmera gia th meiwsh twn elleimmatwn, afeteroy kroyei ton kwdwna toy kindynoy gia th sobarh sterhsh sta esoda. Qelw na qesw dyo skelh erwthmatwn. Pws sxoliazei h kybernhsh th shmerinh ekqesh toy DNT kai an exete kati newtero sxetika me ton mhxanismo anadianomhs poy anazhta h kybernhsh, prokeimenoy na ginei h ejomoiwsh twn forwn se petrelaio qermanshs kai kinhshs.

PETALWTHS: Ean einai etoimos o mhxanismos anadianomhs, qa ton anakoinwsoyme kai mesa se synolikoteres apofaseis. Thn ekqesh toy DNT thn lambanoyme ypoch. Lambanoyme ypoch mas oti fainetai pws h ellhnikh kybernhsh kanei shmantika bhmata. Ekeino omws to opoio qeloyme na poyme einai oti gnwrizoyme para poly kala tis terasties dyskolies, poy yphrxan kai yparxoyn sthn ellhnikh oikonomia. Gnwrizoyme poly kala, opws eipe kai o idios o Prwqypoyrgos, oti o synagermos den exei lhjei, oti oi prospaqeies, poy kanoyme kai poy qa prepei na kanoyme apo edw kai sto mellon, qa einai akoma megalyteres. Oti prepei aparaithta na ylopoioyme toys stoxoys toy Programmatos Staqerothtas, wste na mhn epanapayomaste gia na mporesoyme na bgoyme apo ayth thn poly megalh krish sthn opoia mphkame, giati akribws hmastan aqwrakistoi gia na thn antimetwpisoyme. Exoyme mprosta mas poly doyleia akomh.

SPANOY: To gegonos oti sthn perifereia Attikhs katebainoyn dyo ypochfioi poy proerxontai apo to komma sas, o k. Dhmaras kai o k. Mhtropoylos, apenanti sthn epishmh ypochfiothta toy PASOK, den sas leei kati gia th sxesh toy kinhmatos me thn koinwnikh toy bash;

PETALWTHS: Exoyme kanei sygkekrimenh epilogh me ta krithria poy qesame gia thn perifereia ths Attikhs. Kaqenas einai eleyqeros na kanei tis epiloges toy, na katebainei ypochfios kai na yposthrizei o,ti qelei. Apo ekei kai pera, omws, mias kai milhsate gia tis sxeseis ths kybernhshs mas me to kinhma kai ton lao, xqes eidame kai to ti egine akribws sto Eqniko Symboylio, opoy eixame mia panhgyrikh eklogh toy neoy Genikoy Grammatea toy PASOK k. M. Karximakh. Ayto gia emas shmainei polla.

BLAXOS: Qa diagrafoyn Mhtropoylos, Dhmaras, meta;

PETALWTHS: Den tiqetai zhthma. Ejalloy o k. Dhmaras htan melos toy Eqnikoy Symboylioy, oso htan boyleyths toy PASOK.

BLAXOS: O k. Mhtropoylos;

PETALWTHS: Einai qema toy PASOK.

BLAXOS: Na diagrafei, dhladh;

PETALWTHS: Einai qema toy PASOK. Den einai qema ths kybernhshs.

BLAXOS: H kybernhsh den einai to PASOK;

PETALWTHS: Emeis leitoyrgoyme qesmika.

POLYMEROS: An gnwrizete sth kybernhsh oti o Proedros toy Pagkosmioy Symboylioy gia thn apokatastash ths Agia-Sofias Kris Spyroy, exei apofasisei na kanei stis 17 Septembrioy thn prwth xristianikh Qeia Leitoyrgia sthn Agia-Sofia. Gnwrizete kati panw se ayto;

PETALWTHS: Einai enas idiwtikos foreas. Emeis asxoloymaste me oti kanei h kybernhsh.

Sas eyxaristw.

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