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Tetarth, 30 Ioynioy 2010

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KYBERNHTIKOS EKPROSWPOS

Aqhna, 30 Ioynioy 2010

GIWRGO PETALWTH

Kalo meshmeri.

H xwra mas antimetwpizei mia prwtofanh krish, gia tis teleytaies dekaeties, sthn opoia mphkame plhrws anoxyrwtoi, logw twn gnwstwn xroniwn paqogeneiwn mas, alla kai ths egklhmatikhs aprajias ths prohgoymenhs kybernhshs. To dilhmma poy paralabame, htan h swthria ths xwras me kaqe kostos h h xreokopia. Profanws, htan adianohto gia mas na epitrecoyme na biwsei o Ellhnas poliths, h ellhnikh oikogeneia, tis synepeies mias xreokopias. Protimhsame to sklhro dromo ths swthrias, me poly kopo, me maraqwnies diapragmateyseis kai qysies ap` oloys.

Apo thn prwth stigmh, me seira metrwn kai nomoqethmatwn, epidiwjame kai egkaqidryoyme th Dikaiosynh, th diafaneia sth leitoyrgia toy Dhmosioy, ton koinwniko dialogo, thn hlektronikh diaboyleysh, thn anaptyjh kai to spasimo ths grafeiokratias, me profanh stoxo thn empedwsh toy aisqhmatos dikaioy stoys polites kai ths dhmokratikhs symmetoxhs twn koinwnikwn etairwn sth lhch twn apofasewn.

Proxwrame se shmantikotates tomes pantoy. Se ena dikaiotero forologiko systhma, se ajiopistes statistikes analyseis, sthn epanastash toy ``KALLIKRATH'' poy qetei telos stis perifereiakes adikies kai spatales, se ena biwsimo kai kata to dynaton, dikaiotero asfalistiko systhma poy ejasfalizei oti oi epomenes kai oi paroyses genies, qa lambanoyn syntajh.

Eimaste kybernhsh pragmatikwn kai oysiastikwn allagwn. Kai ayto to apodeiknyoyme kai kyriws, qa to apodeiknyoyme. Allages poy ginontai, me prwtofanh taxythta gia ta ellhnika dedomena. Allages poy oloi oi polites gnwrizame oti eprepe na ginoyn, poy htan pagio aithma ths koinwnias, alla kamia hgesia den apotolmhse me ayto ton tropo.

Akomh kai to mnhmonio gia to opoio syzhtame toso poly, apotelei parallhla kai shmantikh eykairia gia ton topo. Eykairia na afhsoyme oristika sto parelqon ena kratos trofodoth twn hmeterwn, twn pelateiakwn sxesewn, ena kratos spatalo, dysprosito kai grafeiokratiko.

Shmera, eimaste sth qesh na prosdokoyme oti qa antimetwpisoyme to mellon pio aisiodoja giati yparxei mia kybernhsh me tolmh kai apofasistikothta poy yphretei to symferon twn politwn, poy ejyphretei to dhmosio symferon kai to koino ofelos.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

KOYTRAS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, se sxesh me ayto poy eipate th Deytera, nomizw, gia to ``pagwma'' twn misqwn ston idiwtiko tomea, pws qa antidrasei h kybernhsh an ergodotes kai ergazomenoi symfwnhsoyn gia kapoia ayjhsh;

PETALWTHS: Prwta ap` ola, epeidh egine polys logos gi` ayto, na dieykrinisw oti yparxei to mnhmonio, to opoio sebomaste kai exoyme ypogracei. Einai nomos toy kratos. Apo ekei kai pera, emas ayto poy mas endiaferei, einai na yparjei koinwnikos dialogos. Mas endiaferei na yparxei sygklish twn koinwnikwn etairwn, etsi wste mesa apo syllogikes diapragmateyseis na yparxei ena apotelesma poy qa bohqaei toys ergazomenoys prwta ap` ola, thn epixeirhmatikothta kai fysika, kai thn ellhnikh oikonomia. Oloi exoyme synaisqanqei to megeqos ths eyqynhs. Gnwrizoyme th stenothta poy pername kai sto telos oloi qa deijoyme oti exoyme katanohsei, ti symbainei sth xwra mas.

KOYTRAS: Rwthsa, ean symfwnhsoyn ergazomenoi kai ergodotes se ayjhseis, estw mikres, opws afhse o k. Panagopoylos, ton opoio akoysa to prwi, na ennohqei, h kybernhsh ti qa kanei;

PETALWTHS: As perimenoyme prwta to apotelesma twn syzhthsewn twn syllogikwn diapragmateysewn kai meta qa to doyme.

MOSXOBAS: An, opws eipate, einai eilhmmenh apofash - to epanalabate kai proxqes kai shmera- to ``pagwma'' twn misqwn, ``pagwma'' misqwn shmainei ayjhseis 5%, oso kalpazei shmera o plhqwrismos. An einai 4% einai meiwsh. Exei balei kapoio plafon h kybernhsh gia to poio qewrei ``pagwma'', mexri poy an symfwnhsoyn oi etairoi, se kapoio ycos ayjhsewn ayto qa qewrhqei ``pagwma'';

PETALWTHS: Prwta ap` ola, as mhn kanoyme twra ermhneies, giati einai akairo otan malista ginetai syzhthsh sthn armodia Epitroph ths Boylhs, kai otan qa yparjoyn kai syllogikes diapragmateyseis. Emeis qeloyme apo aytes tis syllogikes diapragmateyseis na yparjei symfwnia ergazomenwn kai ergodotwn. Apo kei kai pera, leme pws o,ti perilambanei to mnhmonio, qa efarmostei. Epeidh de, olo ayto to diasthma anaptyssetai mia dhmosia syzhthsh ws pros to ti perilambanei to mnhmonio, qa hqela na anaferw oti sto mnhmonio anaferetai to ``pagwma'' twn neoproslambanomenwn, twn katwtatwn misqwn. Ara, syzhtame se ayth th bash. Apo kei kai pera, prosdokoyme kai enqarrynoyme thn yparjh symfwnias metajy twn etairwn stis syllogikes diapragmateyseis.

MOSXOBAS: Se ti qa symbalei akribws to ``pagwma'' twn misqwn ston idiwtiko tomea, dedomenoy oti den syneisferei sta dhmosionomika. Qa moy peite oti syneisferei sthn antagwnistikothta. Qymamai para poly kala ton k. Papandreoy kai proeklogika kai meteklogika na leei oti stoxos mas den einai na ginoyme antagwnistikoi ws pros to qema ths ergasias, giati den prokeitai na kataferoyme pote na dinoyme antistoixws misqoys Kinas, Indias k.t.l. Poios einai o stoxos;

PETALWTHS: H antagwnistikothta den exei kamia sxesh me to na ginoyme India kai Kina. Alla h antagwnistikothta einai mia poly shmantikh parametros ths oikonomikhs kai anaptyjiakhs zwhs, ths oikonomikhs kai anaptyjiakhs mas politikhs kai epoydeni mporoyme na th baloyme sthn akrh. Emeis exoyme kateyqynseis, oi opoies qa ylopoihqoyn kai qa oristikopoihqoyn sto epomeno xroniko diasthma, giati ayth th stigmh prospaqoyme na jeperasoyme thn krish. Alla, kaneis den mporei na arnhqei oti h antagwnistikothta, poy einai mia poly shmantikh parametros, exei eidikes diastaseis gia thn ylopoihsh ths kai gia thn ayjhsh ths. Kai mia apo aytes tis diastaseis einai kai to kostos ergasias. Ayto, nomizw oti kaneis den mporei na to parablecei, giati to kostos ergasias exei ena shmantiko rolo sthn idia thn anaptyjh kai sthn idia thn oikonomia.

MOSXOBAS: Aplws, diabebaiwnete oti kai meteklogika meta to mnhmonio oti den prokeitai na ``pagwsoyn'' oi misqoi ston idiwtiko tomea, oti einai apofash mono gia to dhmosio tomea.

PETALWTHS: Ta exoyme pei polles fores. Yparxei to mnhmonio, opoy perilambanontai. Emeis se ayth th fash qeloyme na proxwrhsoyn oi syllogikes diapragmateyseis. Elpizoyme kai prosdokoyme oti kaqenas qa synaisqanqei tis eyqynes toy.

QEODWRAKOPOYLOS: Epeidh o Proedros ths GSEE k. Panagopoylos einai kai stelexos toy PASOK, sto qema toy ``pagwmatos'' poy problepei to mnhmonio, desmeyetai ws kommatiko stelexos na akoloyqhsei th grammh toy mnhmonioy;

PETALWTHS: O k. Panagopoylos einai Proedros ths GSEE. Exei ena shmantikotato rolo poy einai sebastos. H GSEE einai enas koinwnikos paragontas poy kai h leitoyrgia kai h symperifora ths einai ajiologotath kai fysika ekfrazei toys ergazomenoys. Ara, nomizw oti tetoia dilhmmata oyte prepei na tiqentai, oyte tiqentai.

MIXAHL: Kyrie Ekproswpe, moy dhmioyrgoyntai orismenes apories. Kat` arxhn, to mnhmonio lete oti afora to ``pagwma'' twn katwtatwn misqwn twn neoproslambanomenwn. Ma, oi syllogikes symbaseis ergasias, ayto akribws kaqorizoyn, to katwtato. Ara, kata synepeia, me poio politiko kai hqiko dikaiwma h kybernhsh leei pws o,ti kai na symfwnhsete eseis, ayjhseis toy ycoys 1%,2%, den jerw poso, ayto den mporei na ginei dekto, giati den to epitrepei to mnhmonio, otan oi etairoi mporei na to symfwnhsoyn metajy toys. Ayto einai to prwto erwthma.

PETALWTHS: Epanalambanw ayto poy eipa prohgoymenws: To mnhmonio einai nomos toy kratoys kai exei ena sygkekrimeno periexomeno. Sto mnhmonio, ayto poy exoyme daimonopoihsei - kai kakws to daimonopoihsame- ena meros toy perilambanei tis desmeyseis poy exoyme analabei me toys etairoys mas, aytoys poy mas daneizoyn me thn troika kai ena poly megalo meros, to opoio dystyxws den proballetai -kai isws bebaia einai anamenomeno- perilambanei tis diarqrwtikes allages poy kanoyme sthn ellhnikh oikonomia, thn anaptyjh kai to kratos. Apo th stigmh poy yparxei nomos toy kratoys poy exei chfistei, apotelei toylaxiston to plaisio gia to ti qa akoloyqhsei apo edw kai pera. To mnhmonio den katargei tis syllogikes diapragmateyseis. Enqarrynoyme aytes tis syllogikes diapragmateyseis na exoyn ena periexomeno analogo toy mnhmonioy. Fysika, aytes oi syllogikes diapragmateyseis eimaste sigoyroi oti qa lambanoyn ypoch thn anaptyjh toy topoy kai thn kalych twn tameiakwn mas anagkwn. Ara, oi ermhneies poy ginontai, einai ermhneies poy den mas aforoyn.

MIXAHL: H deyterh aporia moy einai h ejhs: Toso proeklogika, oso kai meteklogika, o k. Papandreoy exei pei - kai to PASOK synolika- oti den qelei to kratos ayto poy qa epibalei ta panta, qa einai ena kratos epiteliko poy qa ftiaxnei to geniko plaisio kai apo kei kai pera qa epitrepei oles tis kinhseis na tis kanoyn oi koinwnikoi foreis kai genikotera oi politikoi foreis. Qelw na rwthsw, mia kinhsh san kai ayth poy proanaggeilate thn perasmenh Deytera, poso synadei me ayth thn antilhch;

PETALWTHS: Poia kinhsh;

MIXAHL: H kinhsh pws an oi koinwnikoi foreis den broyn lysh, tote qa yparjei ``pagwma'' misqwn, opws eipate, me prajh nomoqetikoy periexomenoy, h opoia qa doyme pws qa diatypwqei.

PETALWTHS: Prwta ap` ola, den eipa ayto.

MIXAHL: Apantwntas se erwthsh.

PETALWTHS: To ti qewrw prajh nomoqetikoy periexomenoy, apanthsa se sygkekrimenh erwthsh me sygkekrimenh apanthsh. Ayta poy eipa, apexoyn poly apo ayta poy lete, ayth th stigmh. Apo kei kai pera, omws, qa prepei oloi na antilhfqoyme - kai ayto to antilambanetai o ellhnikos laos, ara qa prepei na antilhfqoyn oloi - oti exoyme na kanoyme me mia kybernhsh, h opoia paleyei me ta kymata. Exoyme na kanoyme me mia kybernhsh, h opoia blepei kai antimetwpizei prwtofaneis katastaseis gia thn ellhnikh oikonomia kai gia thn ellhnikh koinwnia. Eimaste mia kybernhsh poy kaleitai na swsei th xwra. Ean kanoyme ideologikes anazhthseis kai syzhthseis, qa mporoysame na poyme para polla pragmata. Kai fysika, exoyme pei para polles fores oti h drash ths shmerinhs kybernhshs den ylopoiei to programma gia to opoio exoyme desmeyqei kai gia to opoio desmeyomaste oti qa ylopoihsoyme, toylaxiston ena meros toy programmatos. Emeis to prwto poy kanoyme einai na swsoyme th xwra. Kai apo th stigmh poy hdh kataferame na yparxei eyrwpaikos mhxanismos sthrijhs - hdh katafernoyme na eimaste entajei me tis daneiakes mas ypoxrewseis, ws pros ayto yparxei poly mellon fysika - qa ylopoihsoyme kai tis programmatikes mas desmeyseis. Alla, pros to paron, na exoyme oloi sto myalo mas oti exoyme na kanoyme me mia katastash poy mas epibalei na leitoyrgoyme ypo synqhkes ektakths anagkhs.

ROYBINETHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, oi mikromesaioi dia twn proedrwn toys, twn kyriwn Korkidh, Tsakoy kai Kassimath, proxqes, ejepneysan S.O.S., giati ta anaptyjiaka sxedia kaqysteroyn. Pisteyete oti qa kalyfqei o xronos kai me poia sygkekrimena metra;

PETALWTHS: To qema ths anaptyjhs einai apo tis prwtes proteraiothtes poy qetei h kybernhsh, qetoyn oi etairoi, qetei h koinwnia oloklhrh. Anagnwrizoyme para poly kala oti me ena terastio elleimma kai me mia politikh poy akoloyqhqhke apo th Nea Dhmokratia, h anaptyjiakh poreia ths xwras briskotan kai ejakoloyqei na brisketai se kaqe allo para epiqymhth katastash. Gnwrizoyme para poly kala oti yparxei yfesh. Gnwrizoyme para poly kala ti symbainei sthn agora kai exoyn dikio kai oi epaggelmaties kai oi ergazomenoi na diamartyrontai. To megalo mas stoixhma, omws, gnwrizontas tis synqhkes poy antimetwpizoyme, einai se oso to dynaton syntomotero xroniko diasthma na blepoyme na apodidei h anaptyjh. Hdh, nomoqethmata poy exei ferei h kybernhsh sth Boylh gia na chfistoyn, nomoqethmata kai poy chfisthkan kai poy qa chfistoyn, orizoyn mia seira apo tetoia metra, poy qa dieykolynoyn thn anaptyjh. Alla epeidh h nomoqethsh den einai to pan, alla prepei na yparjei kai prajh, ayto shmainei oti kai h apodosh twn opoiwn anaptyjiakwn mas prospaqeiwn qelei xrono. Kai ayto to xrono einai akribws poy diaxeirizomaste: prospaqoyme na ton syntomeysoyme, prospaqoyme na ton diaxeiristoyme me ton kalytero tropo, etsi wste na stamathsei ayth h katastash poy yparxei sthn agora.

LASKARATOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, qa hqela na moy dieykrinisete, giati proswpika den to exw katalabei: To ``pagwma'' twn misqwn, etsi opws anaferetai sto mnhmonio kai etsi opws kai eseis to anaferate th Deytera, shmainei oi ayjhseis na mhn jepernoyn ta oria toy plhqwrismoy h oyte ena lepto toy eyrw parapanw; Eseis milhsate gia ``pagwma'', gi` ayto sas rwtw ti akribws shmainei.

PETALWTHS: Sas apanthsa prohgoymenws oti yparxei to mnhmonio. Qa akoloyqhsoyn oi syllogikes diapragmateyseis, ara shmera den qa mpw se ermhneies.

SPANOY: H Olomeleia toy Elegktikoy Synedrioy krinei antisyntagmatikes diatajeis toy Asfalistikoy. Ayto sas endiaferei, h thrhsh toy Syntagmatos;

PETALWTHS: Emeis lambanoyme ypoch mas oles tis parathrhseis. Einai gnwmodothsh toy Elegktikoy Synedrioy. Yparxei, omws, ena sygkekrimeno plaisio sto opoio eimaste ypoxrewmenoi na kinhqoyme. Kai ayto kanoyme.

MELETHS: Mporeite na mas to dieykrinisete;

PETALWTHS: Nomizw oti den xreiazetai perissoterh dieykrinish. H Olomeleia toy Elegktikoy Synedrioy gnwmodotei, ekfrazei gnwmh gia th syntagmatikothta. As mhn jexname oti ta zhthmata poy qetei ayto to asfalistiko nomosxedio einai dekades, gia na mhn pw ekatontades. Ara otan ola ta ypoloipa zhthmata exoyn kriqei oti einai symbata me to Syntagma, exei kriqei h syntagmatikothta toys, to na yparxei mia antisyntagmatikothta se ena sygkekrimeno shmeio, einai kati poy antimetwpizetai.

KOYTRAS: Dhladh;

PETALWTHS: Sas apanthsa.

MOYRELATOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, epistrateysate kai shmera pollakis to epixeirhma peri swthrias h xreokopias ths xwras. Qewreite oti pleon ayto, ws politiko epixeirhma eparkei gia toys Ellhnes polites; Den nomizete oti h kybernhsh ayth prepei epipleon na dwsei kai to meta; Mia asfalh strathgikh diejodoy apo thn krish;

PETALWTHS: Hdh, ayto kanoyme. Exoyme pei para polles fores oti den qa mporoyme na milame gia to meta, ean den periswsoyme to paron h ean den periswsoyme ekeines tis synqhkes poy qa epitrepoyn na yparxei ``meta''. Kai ayto se ola ta epipeda. Kai epeidh milame gia to Asfalistiko, sth sygkekrimenh periptwsh, ean den prospaqhsoyme na efarmosoyme ayto to asfalistiko systhma, na to chfisoyme kai na to efarmosoyme, den qa yparxei to ``meta''. Emeis ton programmatismo mas kai ton programmatiko mas logo, o opoios den htan proeklogikos, einai politikos logos, einai h ideologia toy PASOK, einai to pisteyw mas, den to afhnoyme sthn akrh me tipota. Gia na mporesoyme, omws, na to ylopoihsoyme -parolo poy kai se aytes tis dyskoles synqhkes kai mporw na sas ferw kai paradeigmata hdh exoyme nomoqethsei polla shmeia toy programmatikoy mas logoy- kai na kanoyme tis megales allages, prepei na swsoyme th xwra. Ayto einai kati poy to antilambanetai o laos, poy to antilambanomaste oloi mas. Giati den mporoyme na pame parapera ean den kanoyme shmera ta anagkaia bhmata. Emeis den jexname oti eimaste h kybernhsh twn megalwn allagwn. Gi` ayto chfisthkame. Kai den to jexname oxi epeidh chfisthkame gi` ayto mono, alla epeidh einai isxyrh mas pepoiqhsh oti aytes oi allages xreiazontai gia thn Politeia, gia thn oikonomia kai gia thn koinwnia. Kai aytes tis allages qa tis kanoyme kai eimaste desmeymenoi apenanti ston ellhniko lao.

POLYMEROS: Eipate prin oti se katastash ektakths anagkhs brisketai h xwra mas kai kaleitai na antimetwpisei aytes tis anagkes h kybernhsh. Mhpws sta plaisia aytwn twn ektaktwn anagkwn einai kai oi ektaktes ekloges; Kai sas rwtw me aformh kai dhmosieyma apo dieqnes diktyo to CNN sygkekrimena, to opoio milaei kaqara oti an h kybernhsh den ta kataferei, mexri to Septembrh, einai poly piqano na prosfygei stis kalpes.

PETALWTHS: Oi qewries kai ta senaria einai alhqeia oti perisseyoyn. Thn prohgoymenh ebdomada eixame thn efhmerida  Guardian na grafei oti poylame ta nhsia, shmera anaparagontai kapoies qewries kai kapoies fhmologies oti qa ginoyn prowres ekloges. Emeis safestata aporriptoyme opoiadhpote tetoia skech, kaqe tetoio senario. Pisteyoyme kai to exw anaferei kai allh fora oti an yparxei kapoios poy mporei kai prepei na zhthsei ekloges, as bgei na to kanei. O ellhnikos laos qewrei oti tetoies polyteleies den mporei yparxoyn oyte kan ws skeceis. Idia einai kai h qewrhsh ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs.

MOSXOBAS: Gia anasxhmatismo exoyme kanena neotero, epeidh plhsiazoyn ta mpania, mhpws kapoioi prepei na pane nwritera na jekoyrastoyn;

PETALWTHS: Ayth h kybernhsh ergazetai kai den jekoyrazetai.

MOSXOBAS: Qa ginei amesa anasxhmatismos;

PETALWTHS: Den yparxei kanenas logos na ginei anasxhmatismos. H kybernhsh doyleyei. Exoyme na antimetwpisoyme sobara zhthmata kai ta antimetwpizoyme syllogika.

KOYTRAS: Ena sxolio gia th xqesinh katastash sto limani toy Peiraia.

PETALWTHS: Xqes, sto limani toy Peiraia, eixame na antimetwpisoyme ena megalo dilhmma. H kybernhsh phre mia politikh apofash. H apofash htan na krathqoyn oi isorropies. To dikaiwma sth diadhlwsh einai sebasto, einai iero, alla kai to dikaiwma toy na leitoyrghsei to limani htan epishs sebasto. Pisteyoyme oti me th xqesinh katastash, ayth h isorropia epeteyxqh. Htan ta pragmata opws eprepe na einai, se mia hmera genikeymenhs apergias. Elpizoyme, fysika, oti sto mellon den qa doyme katastaseis, opws aytes poy zhsame thn prohgoymenh ebdomada, na apagoreyoyn kapoioi ston ellhniko lao na metabainei ston proorismo toy. Kai ayth h apagoreysh sygxronws na ginei kai h megalyterh dysfhmish ths xwras mas sto ejwteriko.

QEODWROPOYLOS: To dikaiwma sthn apergia isxyei gia oloys toys ergazomenoys, plhn twn naytergatwn;

PETALWTHS: To dikaiwma sthn apergia isxyei gia oloys toys ergazomenoys. Oi naytergates einai mia epaggelmatikh tajh h opoia plhttetai apo thn krish ayth, opws plhttontai oi pantes. Gnwrizoyme para poly kala oti apo ta polla swmateia poy yparxoyn, einai dyo ta swmateia poy apergoyn. Kaneis, omws, den mporei na apagoreysei sth xwra na kinhqei oikonomika, stoys epibates na apobibastoyn kai na epibibastoyn kai malista otan yparxei kai apofash ths ellhnikhs Dikaiosynhs. Ean kapoioi, gia sygkekrimenoys logoys - kai gnwrizoyn poly kala poioi einai aytoi- prospaqoyn na ekmetalleytoyn ayth thn agwnia twn naytergatwn, oyte stoys naytergates prosferoyn kai poly perissotero den prosferoyn ston ellhniko lao.

SEGKOS: Me sygxwreite kyrie Ekproswpe, poioi mporoyn na apergoyn se ayth th xwra; Giati olh h xwra einai toyristikh ayth thn periodo.

PETALWTHS: Oi pantes. Mporoyn na apergoyn oi pantes. To dikaiwma sthn apergia einai dikaiwma poy eytyxws sthn Ellada to exoyme katakthsei. Kai to exoyme katakthsei me dhmokratikoys tropoys, kati poy den efarmozetai apo sygkekrimenoys apergoys aytes tis hmeres. Einai katakthsh toy ellhnikoy laoy. Kai ayth h katakthsh ginetai sebasth apo thn Politeia kai th Dikaiosynh. Yparxoyn, omws, kapoia nomika plaisia sta opoia prepei na kinoyntai kai mporoyn na kinoyntai oi pantes. Kai oi pantes einai oi pantes, eite einai syndikalistes, eite einai kommata, eite einai syndikalistikes omospondies.

MELETHS : Sto prohgoymeno qema, k. Ekproswpe: H kybernhsh desmeyetai oti qa sebastei to apotelesma twn syllogikwn diapragmateysewn, opoio kai an einai ayto;

PETALWTHS: Exw apanthsei epaneilhmmenws.

QEODWROPOYLOS: Qa to sebasteite;

PETALWTHS: Sas apanthsa.

QEODWROPOYLOS: An apofasisoyn oti qa yparjoyn ayjhseis;

PETALWTHS: Sas apanthsa. Opoios qelei twra na prokatabalei to ti qa ginei stis syllogikes diapragmateyseis, nomizw oti den bohqaei oyte toys ergazomenoys, oyte thn epixeirhmatikothta, alla oyte kai thn ellhnikh oikonomia.

MOSXOBAS: Qa hqela ena sxolio gia thn katalhch poy ekanan - apo xqes h apo shmera, den eimai sigoyros - oi xilioi tosoi symbasioyxoi ths ERT. Ti skeftetai h kybernhsh na kanei me aytoys toys anqrwpoys; Exete katalhjei;

PETALWTHS: Ayth th stigmh, ekeino poy mporoyme na poyme, einai oti sthn ERT yparxei mia katastash, h opoia, safws, den eprepe na yparxei, me th sysswreysh tosoy megaloy ariqmoy symbasioyxwn. Gi ayto akribws kai sthn ERT prepei na yparjoyn politikes apofaseis, na ginoyn tomes, giati h leitoyrgia toy sygkekrimenoy organismoy exei na kanei me th diaxeirish xrhmatwn toy ellhnikoy laoy. Kai ayto qa ginei.

MOSXOBAS: Epeidh shmera lhgei h symbash olwn, apo oso jerw, 30 Ioynioy, exete kati na peite gia aytoys toys ergazomenoys.

PETALWTHS: Oi symbaseis qa epanajiologhqoyn. Qa ginei ajiologhsh sto poies symbaseis xreiazontai, me poies proypoqeseis kai me poies synqhkes.

MOSXOBAS: Pote;

PETALWTHS: Gia na ginei, qa prepei na lhjoyn aytes oi symbaseis.

MOSXOBAS: Shmera lhgoyn.

PETALWTHS: Nai. Den elhjan.

MOSXOBAS: Ara ayrio qa exoyn ajiologhqei oloi kai qa piasoyn doyleia osoi ...

PETALWTHS: An htan toso kala kai aytomatopoihmena ta pragmata, qa htan para poly kalh h genikoterh leitoyrgia sto ellhniko Dhmosio.

MOSXOBAS: Syggnwmh, k. Ypoyrge, eseis eiste h kybernhsh kai gnwrizete thn katastash sthn ERT. Eji mhnes exei oristei h dioikhsh. Giati na mhn kanete kan apo prin thn ajiologhsh; Eseis ananewsate tis symbaseis mexri 30 Ioynioy, oxi egw.

PETALWTHS: Akribws, tis ananewsame, gia na kalyfqei ayto to keno poy yphrxe. Kai h dioikhsh ths ERT, alla kai h politikh hgesia exei sxedio, to opoio qa diaboyleytei kai qa anakoinwqei. Hdh polla merh aytoy toy sxedioy, exoyn anakoinwqei.

Sas eyxaristw.

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