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Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Pempth, 28 Ianoyarioy 2010

Ariqmos Deltioy: 248566173

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KYBERNHTIKOS EKPROSWPOS

Aqhna, 28 Ianoyarioy 2010

GIWRGO PETALWTH

Kalo meshmeri.

" Sth dyskolh ayth gia th xwra mas oikonomikh sygkyria, menoyme proshlwmenoi sto sxedio mas gia anadiarqrwsh toy dhmosioy tomea kai rizikes allages stis domes toy kratoys, ylopoiwntas parallhla to Programma Staqerothtas, Anaptyjhs kai Anasygkrothshs. Katargoyme dhmosioys organismoys poy oysiastika den leitoyrgoyn h poy ypoleitoyrgoyn kai den epiteloyn to ergo gia to opoio exoyn systaqei. Se kaqe periptwsh, to kostos synthrhshs kai leitoyrgias twn organismwn aytwn, einai pollaplasio apo ta ofelh poy qa eprepe na prosferoyn pros ton ellhniko lao. Sygxwneyoyme akomh dhmosioys organismoys me stoxo, afenos men, na meiwqoyn oi yperbolikes dapanes, afeteroy de, na efarmozetai apotelesmatikotera h kybernhtikh politikh. Perissoteroi apo 200 foreis ajiologhqhkan kai qa sygxwneyqoyn h qa katarghqoyn. Yposxeqhkame symmazema toy kratoys kai to kanoyme amesa.

" Ston tomea ths ergasias prowqoyme metra gia tis ergasiakes sxeseis ston idiwtiko tomea, gia enisxysh ths apasxolhshs, thn antimetwpish ths anergias, th dhmioyrgia newn qesewn ergasias, me epidothsh twn asfalistikwn eisforwn, thn antimetwpish ths eisforodiafyghs, me synexeis elegxoys kai ths yperogkhs spatalhs stoys kladoys ygeias, alla kai thn enisxysh ths agorastikhs dynamhs twn anergwn, me ayjhsh toy epidomatos ths anergias.

" Desmeythkame gia diafaneia sto dhmosio bio, gia Dikaiosynh pragmatika anejarthth kai proxwrame se ylopoihsh twn desmeysewn mas, me nomosxedio poy anakoinwse prin apo ligo o ypoyrgos Dikaiosynhs, Diafaneias kai Anqrwpinwn Dikaiwmatwn k. Kastanidhs. To nomosxedio ayto poy qa teqei se dhmosia diaboyleysh tis epomenes wres, afora sthn allagh toy tropoy epiloghs ths hgesias ths Dikaiosynhs, me gnwmh ths Boylhs, poy qa ejasfalizei thn apodesmeysh ths dikastikhs ejoysias apo thn ektelestikh, me ta gnwsta apotelesmata, alla kai sthn epanafora toy aytodioikhtoy twn megalwn dikasthriwn poy qa enisxysei oysiastika thn anejarthsia ths Dikaiosynhs.

H kybernhsh anoigei ola ta qemata. Ergazetai gia ola ta sobara problhmata ths xwras kai se ayto ton agwna xreiazomaste symparastath mas thn koinwnia.

" Gia allh mia fora kaloyme toys agrotes mas na anoijoyn ta mploka kai ta synora, opoy yparxoyn kinhtopoihseis. Na stamathsoyn oi kinhtopoihseis aytoy toy eidoys kai na proselqoyn se dialogo. Emeis den tazoyme amfiboloy nomimothtas epidothseis poy ekqetoyn th xwra mas sthn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh kai dieqnws kai poy kaleitai sto telos na plhrwsei o ellhnikos laos.

Emeis apantame me oysiastiko kai makropnoo sxedio gia ta megala problhmata ths agrotikhs paragwghs. Apantame emprakta. H apanthsh mas einai oikonomikh sthrijh ycoys 5,5 disekatommyriwn eyrw mexri to telos toy 2010, me prwtoboylies gia thn anamorfwsh toy syndikalistikoy kinhmatos, thn anadiarqrwsh toy ELGA, th meiwsh toy kostoys paragwghs kai thn ejomalynsh ths leitoyrgias ths agrotikhs agoras.

Kaloyme, loipon, olh thn koinwnia dipla mas, se systrateysh gia na antepejelqoyme se aytes tis dyskoles stigmes.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

PETOYRH: Se aytes tis dyskoles stigmes, anarwtiemai pws akoygetai to na xarizontai xreh 5,5 disekatommyriwn eyrw se mia etaireia, opws einai h AKROPOLIS XRHMATISTHRIAKH, me th gnwsth ths anamijh, sto gnwsto skandalo.

PETALWTHS: Exei dhmioyrghqei apo xqes, ena zhthma to opoio einai pragmatika megalo, apo th syzhthsh sthn armodia epitroph ths Boylhs. O yfypoyrgos Oikonomikwn k. Saxinidhs dhlwse  kai ontws etsi einai- oti yparxei diapistwsh apo thn ekqesh toy Elegktikoy Synedrioy, kaq` oti o isologismos kai o apologismos gia to aperxomeno oikonomiko etos einai nomosxedio kai synodeyetai anagkastika apo ekqesh toy Genikoy Logisthrioy toy Elegktikoy Synedrioy. Kai diapistwqhke oti yparxoyn diagrafes ofeilwn ths tajhs twn 6 disekatommyriwn eyrw, ek twn opoiwn ta 5,5 disekatommyria eyrw aforoysan mia periptwsh: Thn periptwsh ths etaireias AKROPOLIS XRHMATISTHRIAKH. Edw, einai se ejelijh eisaggelikh ereyna. Einai mia ypoqesh gia thn opoia yparxei idiaitero endiaferon kai apo to oikonomiko epiteleio ths kybernhshs, alla anamenoyme kai thn ejelijh ths eisaggelikhs ereynas, prokeimenoy na diapistwsoyme ti egine pragmatika se ayth thn periptwsh, me toso megalo oikonomiko kostos gia to ellhniko dhmosio.

PAPPA: Pera apo ton tropo poy qa kinhqei h Dikaiosynh, hqela na sas rwthsw, politika, pws qa to xeiristei h kybernhsh, dhladh, na perimenoyme Ejetastikh isws h kati allo;

PETALWTHS: Hdh, apo xqes, yparxei entolh sto ypoyrgeio Oikonomikwn na jekinhsei elegxos kai se epipedo ypoyrgeioy Oikonomikwn, gia na diapistwqei ti synebh se ayth thn periptwsh.

XASAPOPOYLOS: Sygnwmh, h kybernhsh exei diapistwsei oti paragrafhkan ta xreh h yparxei mia anastolh sthn katabolh toy xreoys; Giati, egw akoysa to boyleyth ths Neas Dhmokratias kai prwhn ypoyrgo, shmera to prwi, o opoios mas eipe oti phran paratash, phgan sta dikasthria aytoi oi anqrwpoi, kateqesan mia aithsh anastolhs kai ek toy nomoy, dikaioyntai na ``pagwsei'' to 90% twn ofeilwn kai na diekdikhsei to dhmosio to 10%, mexri na bgei telesidikh apofash. Ayto to jerei h kybernhsh h dhmioyrgei mono entypwseis;

PETALWTHS: Prwta ap` ola, h kybernhsh den dhmioyrgei entypwseis. Anaferetai to qema ayto sthn ekqesh toy Elegktikoy Synedrioy -to opoio einai mia apo tis dikastikes Arxes- poy synodeyei to sygkekrimeno nomosxedio. Kai sth sygkekrimenh selida ths ekqeshs ayths, anaferontai ayta ws diagrafenta esoda. Otan leme ``diagrafenta esoda'' ennooyme esoda ta opoia diagrafhkan. Gi` ayto akribws, omws, leme oti yparxei se ejelijh kai eisaggelikh ereyna, alla dienergeitai kai elegxos sto ypoyrgeio Oikonomikwn gia na diapistwqei, ean pragmatika xaristhkan ayta ta terastia posa se ayth thn etaireia, ean diagrafhkan kai me poio tropo egine ayto kai poies einai oi eyqynes aytwn poy to ekanan.

XASAPOPOYLOS: Sygnwmh, den mporei na mas pei h kybernhsh, ean einai mia synhqhs praktikh; H diagrafh toy Elegktikoy Synedrioy apo ta esoda einai gia fetos, oti den qa ta eisprajei fetos to kratos. Ayto to aplo pragma, den mporei na mas to pei h kybernhsh kai xreiazetai eisaggelikh ereyna, an egine mia ryqmish sthn ypoqesh;

PETALWTHS: Pros to paron den mporoyme na poyme tipote. Pros to paron yparxei eisaggelikh ereyna. Alla kai o elegxos poy ginetai apo to ypoyrgeio Oikonomikwn kai otan oloklhrwqei qa anakoinwqei epishmws.

KALARRYTHS: Sth synexeia ths erwthshs toy synadelfoy, epeidh einai h synhqhs praktikh, otan epiballontai prostima, na phgainoyn oi etaireies, na katabaloyn to 10% kai na prosfeygoyn gia to ypoloipo. Giati h kybernhsh, prin ejetasei an peri aytoy prokeitai, to paroysiazei ws meizon qema, h ws mia paranomia, h ws kati to mempto, afoy akoma den exete katalhjei peri tinos prokeitai; An einai dhladh mia synhqhs praktikh h an ontws yparxei kati ypopto;

PETALWTHS: H kybernhsh den paroysiase tipote, gi` ayto eipa prohgoymenws oti den yparxei qema entypwsewn. Egine mia syzhthsh sthn armodia Epitroph ths Boylhs, opoy o yfypoyrgos Oikonomikwn htan ypoxrewmenos na ekqesei ta dedomena poy yphrxan enwpion toy kai enwpion ths epitrophs. Kai to mono poy ekane o k. Saxinidhs sthn Epitroph ths Boylhs einai na katonomasei akribws, opws eixe ypoxrewsh na to prajei, gia poia etaireia prokeitai. Gi` ayto akribws eimaste epifylaktikoi kai leme oti einai se diadikasia eisaggelikh ereyna, se ejelijh, opws kai elegxos toy ypoyrgeioy Oikonomikwn. Gia na mporoyme na apantame sobara, gnwrizontas kai tis synepeies ths apanthshs mas.

BITALHS: Ep` aytoy, gnwrizete ean h sygkekrimenh etaireia eixe katabalei, ws problepetai, to 10% gia na diekdikhsei to ``pagwma'' dikastika toy ypoloipoy xreoys;

PETALWTHS: Den qa hqela na apanthsw ep` aytoy. Sas eipa oti qa yparjei sobarh apanthsh, mesa kai apo thn eisaggelikh ereyna kai ton elegxo toy ypoyrgeioy Oikonomikwn.

PETOYRH: Sthn periptwsh poy diapistwqei oti ontws xaristhkan ayta ta xreh kai diagrafhsan, h proqesh sas einai na kanete kapoia peraiterw bhmata kai na proxwrhsete sth systash Ejetastikhs Epitrophs sthn periptwsh ayth;

PETALWTHS: Prwta ap` ola, ta peraiterw bhmata, oytws h allws, ginontai aytepaggelta, afoy exei anateqei se eisaggelea na dienerghsei ejetash, h opoia ypoxreoytai symfwna me to nomo na dienerghqei aytepaggeltws. Ara, hdh, to prwto bhma exei ginei prokeimenoy na diapistwqoyn ean yparxoyn eyqynes. Apo ekei kai pera, fysika, an diapistwqei oti yparxoyn eyqynes, qa yparxei kai synexeia se ola epipeda. Ayto einai dedomeno.

XASAPOPOYLOS: Yparxei mia oloklhrh syzhthsh gia thn ektinajh twn spreads kai ton akribo to daneismo ths xwras mas. Kai malista, yparxoyn shmera kai dhmosieymata kai syzhtietai poly entona oti ejaitias twn xeirismwn toy oikonomikoy epiteleioy egine, petyxame ayta ta ychla epitokia, oti dhladh apokalyce tis proqeseis oti qa daneisqei apo asiatikes xwres kai gi` ayto ektinaxthkan ta spreads. Ti apanta h kybernhsh s` ayto;

PETALWTHS: Prwta ap` ola na ejhghsoyme to pws ginetai ayth h diadikasia. Se ayth th diadikasia, akribws, yparxei epishmh apanthsh oti oydemia entolh exei doqei se kamia trapeza, prokeimenoy na ginoyn aytes oi symfwnies, etsi opws perigrafhkan. Apo ekei kai pera, einai toso sobaro to zhthma kai den mporoyme na paizoyme me thn tyxh ths oikonomias mias oloklhrhs xwras. Ara, oi fhmes kai ayta poy diadidontai qa prepei na elegxontai protoy anaparaxqoyn. Giati akribws yparxei edafos gia na paizontai kerdoskopika paixnidia enantion ths xwras mas. To oikonomiko epiteleio ths kybernhshs doyleyei para poly sklhra. Doyleyei meqodeymena kai se oles tis kateyqynseis. Einai safes kai profanes oti yparxoyn diaforopoihseis, oti qa prepei na yparjoyn diaforopoihseis akomh kai gewgrafikes, ws pros to daneismo. Apo ekei kai pera, omws, den yparxei kamia tetoia periptwsh, na exei anateqei se trapeza, na diereynhsei gia thn agora apo thn Kina, etsi opws bghke pros ta ejw kai ypotiqetai oti ej aitias ayths ths fhmhs dhmioyrghqhke ayth h anataraxh.

KOYTRAS: Den miloyn pantws, aytoi poy sas kathgoroyn gia laqos xeirismoys, mono gia to qema me toys Kinezoys. Miloyn kai gia to gegonos oti biasthke h kybernhsh, biasthkan oi armodioi na proanaggeiloyn oti to Febroyario qa ekdoqei ena neo dekaetes omologo, me apotelesma oi kerdoskopoi na kanoyn parti, opws eipan polloi xqes, stis agores. Yparxei laqos xeirismos h oxi;

PETALWTHS: Den yparxei laqos xeirismos. Ayto poy ginetai shmera, ayto to ``parti twn kerdoskopwn'' opws eipate eseis  egw den to xarakthrizw parti, lew aplws oti yparxei edafos gia kerdoskopia, einai profanes oti ginetai paixnidi kerdoskopias eis baros ths ellhnikhs oikonomias- ofeiletai akribws sto oti exoyme mia oikonomikh katastash sth xwra mas, h opoia den empneei empistosynh kai h opoia dinei labes, dhmioyrgei to ypedafos, etsi wste na ginontai ayta ta kerdoskopika paixnidia. Ayto poy prospaqoyme na kanoyme einai na symplhrwsoyme ayto to terastio elleimma ajiopistias. Na deijoyme pros ta ejw oti h ellhnikh oikonomia einai mia oikonomia h opoia antexei, h opoia mporei na apoplhrwsei to xreos ths kai exei tetoies domes kai ypodomes poy mporei na staqei kai dieqnws. Kai ayto hdh to kanoyme me poly doyleia. Kai hdh, opws eipa kai xqes, yparxoyn ta prwta qetika shmeia ajiopistias ta opoia, afenos men prepei na ekmetalleytoyme kai afeteroy den prepei na apodomoyme, giati ayto ginetai me aytes tis fhmes poy kykloforoyn, etsi wste na paizontai paixnidia yper twn kerdoskopwn.

SIDERHS: Sto agrotiko. Gia mia akomh fora parakalesate, shmera, toys agrotes na anoijoyn toys dromoys. Ws pote h syntetagmenh Politeia qa adynatei na dieykolynei thn eyryqmia ths kaqhmerinhs zwhs twn Ellhnwn kai qa diapragmateyetai me atakta mpoyloykia poy ferontai parabatika, kleinoyn toys dromoys xwris na exoyn kamia nomimopoihsh kai xwris na exoyn bgei mesa apo kamia diadikasia;

PETALWTHS: Oi kinhtopoihseis oi opoies ginontai, safws den exoyn th sthrijh ths ellhnikhs koinwnias kai poly perissotero den exoyn th sthrijh ths ellhnikhs Politeias. H Dikaiosynh hdh exei jekinhsei na kanei th doyleia ths me paraggelia  oso gnwrizw- toy eisaggelea toy Areioy Pagoy. Apo ekei kai pera, akribws ayto kanoyme emeis: Kaloyme sthn epanafora ths nomimothtas, anagnwrizontas oti oi agrotes exoyn megala problhmata, exoyn dikaia aithmata na proballoyn. Apo ekei kai pera, omws, den einai tropos na epixeireitai na paralysoyn oi sygkoinwnies kai h oikonomikh zwh ths xwras mas. Ayto eimaste apofasismenoi na to perifroyrhsoyme. Apo ekei kai pera, omws, qeloyme na ejantlhsoyme  kai ayto qa kanoyme- kaqe periqwrio dialogoy, etsi wste na mporesoyme mesa apo ayton na broyme kai lyseis kai na stamathsoyn aytoy toy eidoys oi kinhtopoihseis.

SIDERHS: Poses ebdomades qa ejantlhsete ayto to periqwrio dialogoy;

PETALWTHS: Den yparxei safes xronodiagramma. Emeis qeloyme na teleiwnei ayth h diadikasia, to syntomotero dynaton. Kai as qymhqoyme oti palaiotera yphrxan kinhtopoihseis agrotwn, oi opoies htan makroxrones. Shmera, omws, aytes tis kinhtopoihseis den tis antexei h ellhnikh oikonomia. Gi` ayto apeyqynqhka, gia allh mia fora, pros toys agrotes poy kanoyn aytes tis kinhtopoihseis na stamathsoyn, gia na erqoyn epiteloys sto trapezi toy dialogoy gia na syzhthsoyme ta poly sobara toys problhmata.

PETOYRH: Eipate oti qa ejantlhsete kaqe periqwrio dialogoy. Dhladh, einai apofasismenh, einai anoixth mallon h kybernhsh sthn ikanopoihsh kai allwn qesmikwn aithmatwn twn agrotwn;

PETALWTHS: Oikonomika aithmata -peraiterw apo ayta poy exoyn hdh ikanopoihqei kai malista se anypopto xrono prin apo tis kinhtopoihseis- den prokeitai na ikanopoihqoyn. Hdh, gnwrizoyme oti h oikonomikh katastash ths xwras brisketai se sygkekrimenh periodo kai sth sygkekrimenh katastash, h opoia den epitrepei peraiterw anoigmata. Apo ekei kai pera, oytws h allws, opws eipa prohgoymenws, yparxoyn xrhmata ta opoia exoyn diateqei gia th leitoyrgikh anasa twn agrotwn kai yparxei kai mia seira metrwn. Oikonomika aithmata den syzhtame. Ws pros ta qesmika, hdh exoyme proxwrhsei, protoy kan na ta zhthsoyn oi agrotes. Kai alla qesmika omws eimaste diateqeimenoi na syzhthsoyme, giati eimaste anoixtoi sto dialogo. Ayto einai jekaqaro.

QEODWROPOYLOS: Prin apo ligo, kalesate toys eisaggeleis na kanoyn th doyleia toys. Parotrynete toys eisaggeleis na kanoyn poinikes diwjeis se baros twn agrotwn;

PETALWTHS: H Dikaiosynh einai anejarthth. Oi eisaggeleis kanoyn th doyleia toys kai den mporoyme oyte na parotrynoyme, oyte na zhthsoyme emeis kati tetoio. Emeis ayto poy kanoyme einai me politika mesa na antimetwpisoyme aytes tis kinhtopoihseis. Kai ayto kanoyme olo ayto to xroniko diasthma.

SEGKOS: Exw edw mprosta moy ta epta aithmata twn agrotwn. Zhtoyn anaplhrwsh toy xamenoy eisodhmatos kai eggyhmenes times, prostasia ths ntopias paragwghs apo ta eisagomena, syndesh twn epidothsewn me thn paragwgh, plhrh asfalish ths agrotikhs paragwghs kai toy agrotikoy kefalaioy, katarghsh toy diaxwrismoy se kata kyrio epaggelma agroth kai mh, meiwsh toy kostoys ths paragwghs. Mporeite na mas peite, poia einai ta pente apo ta epta ayta aithmata poy exete ikanopoihsei, opws yposthrije o k. Pagkalos;

PETALWTHS: Prwta ap` ola, polles fores exoyme anaferqei sto ti exoyme ikanopoihsei mexri twra apo ta aithmata, synolika, twn agrotwn. Ayta, omws, ta aithmata den einai synolika twn agrotwn. Kapoia apo ayta ta aithmata ekfrazoyn ena meros aytwn twn agrotwn, oi opoioi kanoyn aytes tis kinhtopoihseis. Emeis syzhtame genikotera gia ta agrotika zhthmata. Exoyme agrotikh politikh, ws sxedio, ws strathgikh, exoyme desmeyqei proeklogika kai aythn efarmozoyme. O,ti einai pros syzhthsh kai pros to dhmosio symferon kai pros to symferon twn agrotwn, to syzhtame, to janasyzhtame se qesmiko epipedo. Hdh, exoyme prolabei, opws eipa prohgoymenws, se anypopto xrono, na kinhsoyme to qema ths antiproswpeyshs ths syndikalistikhs toys, toy ELGA, toy ``ALEJANDROS MPALTATZHS''. Ola ayta ta kaname. Kai ta kaname protoy kan zhthqoyn.

PITTARAS: Qelw na sas pw, pantws, pws prin apo ligo oi agrotes ekleisan jana th meqorio sth Boylgaria kai se antistoixh kinhsh qa proboyn kai oi synadelfoi toys Boylgaroi kapnoparagwgoi. O k. Papandreoy qa paei na toys synanthsei, opws ekane o Boylgaros omologos toy;

PETALWTHS: Kaqe kybernhsh exei tis meqodeyseis ths, exei thn praktikh ths kai energei analogws. Emas, mas endiaferei, ayth th stigmh, na stamathsoyn oi agrotikes kinhtopoihseis sth xwra mas. Kai mas endiaferei kai kati allo: Hdh apo thn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh egkaloymeqa gia na kataballoyme ws xwra to perifhmo ``paketo Xatzhgakh'', sto opoio eixame antitaxqei kai ws antipoliteysh, alla antitassomeqa kai twra, giati akribws den qeloyme proxeires epidomatikes politikes, oi opoies einai kai amfiboloy nomimothtas.

XASAPOPOYLOS: Lete oti oikonomika aithmata peraiterw den mporoyn na ikanopoihqoyn. Ena apo ta aithmata poy exei o Promaxwnas kai h Nikaia einai h anaplhrwsh toy xamenoy eisodhmatos kai oti qa prepei na exoyn kapoia xrhmata gia na speiroyn aytoi oi anqrwpoi gia toy xronoy. Ayto einai ena oikonomiko aithma to opoio einai dikaio, opws lete, alla den mporeite na to ikanopoihsete h den einai kaqoloy aithma;

PETALWTHS: Egw den qa krinw ena pros ena ta aithmata, enos pros enos mplokoy kinhtopoihsewn. Ayta poy leme einai genikotera kai exoyme diakribwsei kai exoyme pei sygkekrimena basei poiwn aithmatwn syzhtame kai poiwn oxi. Kai toso genikotera aithmata anaplhrwshs toy xamenoy eisodhmatos otan tiqentai kai malista tiqentai kai me ayto ton tropo, ek twn pragmatwn den fernoyn kai apotelesma.

QEODWROPOYLOS: Basei aytwn poy mas lete shmera, h dhlwsh toy k. Pagkaloy xqes, oti pente apo ta efta aithmata twn agrotwn poy briskontai sta mploka ikanopoihqhkan, einai entelws ayqaireth.

PETALWTHS: Ayto to lete eseis.

QEODWROPOYLOS: Nai, qa mas peite omws poia einai ayta ta pente aithmata poy eipe xqes o antiproedros ths kybernhshs;

PETALWTHS: Egw sas exw pei kai to lew edw kai para poly megalo xroniko diasthma kai an qelete, gia allh mia fora, na apariqmhsw poia aithmata exei ikanopoihsei hdh h kybernhsh, polla apo ta opoia entassontai se ayta ta epta aithmata poy anaferate prohgoymenws.

SEGKOS: Oi agrotes zhtoyn katwtates eggyhmenes times. Ayto to zhtane ola ta mploka gia na jeroyn an qa mporoyn na epibiwsoyn. Den qewreite logiko ayto to aithma;

PETALWTHS: Akomh kai na qewreitai logiko, poy einai pros ejetash, prwton exoyme na kanoyme me mia koinotikh symbatothta, ti mporoyme, dhladh, na katabaloyme basei ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs. Yparxei mia poly megalh syzhthsh ws pros ayto kai sygkekrimenes desmeyseis. Ektos toy oti einai poly sygkekrimeno ayto to zhthma kai yparxoyn polles amfibolies nomimothtas, ean mporei kapoios na eggyhqei ayto poy eipate prohgoymenws, dhladh thn eggyhsh toy agrotikoy eisodhmatos.

ZAFEIRIADOY: Kyrie Ekproswpe, yparxei shmera ena dhmosieyma sthn efhmerida ``ELEYQEROTYPIA'', poy anaferetai sto proswpiko hmerologio toy k. Xristoforakoy kai emplekei metajy allwn to Roberto Spyropoylo, thn k. Mhtroy thn prwhn grammatea toy k. Shmith kai thn k. Sioyth. O k. Spyropoylos exei apanthsei, h k. Mhtroy einai ektos kybernhshs. Hqela thn apanthsh sas gia thn k. Sioyth.

PETALWTHS: Gia thn k. Sioyth, ean yparjei apanthsh, qa anakoinwqei. Ayto poy exoyme na poyme ws kybernhsh einai oti anaferomaste kai syntassomaste me thn apanthsh toy k. Spyropoyloy. En pash periptwsei den mporoyme na syzhtame basei antigrafwn kapoioy hmerologioy, etsi opws paroysiazetai.

XASAPOPOYLOS: O k. Xristoforakos qa klhqei na kataqesei sthn epitroph;

PETALWTHS: Einai qema ths epitrophs, h opoia qa systaqei, to poioys qa kalesei ws martyres.

XASAPOPOYLOS: Politika prepei na erqei na kataqesei o k. Xristoforakos;

PETALWTHS: Qa kriqei apo thn ejetastikh epitroph.

MHLIWNHS: Hqela na rwthsw to ejhs: O proedros toy sosialistikoy kommatos ths Albanias k. Enti Rama, o opoios exei tyxei qermhs yposthrijhs apo ton k. Papandreoy, htan apo aytoys poy prosefygan mazi me alles organwseis gia na akyrwqei h xwroqethsh twn xwrikwn ydatwn Elladas  Albanias sto Ionio. Qa hqela to sxolio sas.

PETALWTHS: Prwta apo ola h ideologikh syggeneia, den exei kamia sxesh me ta eqnika kai kratika symferonta. Emeis parakoloyqoyme thn ejelijh ayth kai malista den exoyme kai epishmh enhmerwsh apo thn albanikh pleyra.

KALARRYTHS: Ep' aytoy. Katarxhn zhthsate enhmerwsh;

PETALWTHS: Qa yparjei enhmerwsh, opote kai qa topoqethqoyme.

KALARRYTHS: Se ayto poy anaferqhkate prohgoymenws, sthn erwthsh ths synadelfoy, gia to hmerologio toy k. Xristoforakoy. Apanthsate oti den mporeite na basisteite se antigrafa enos hmerologioy. Ayto isxyei genikws se oti anaferetai, se oti emperiexetai se ayto to hmerologio;

PETALWTHS: Genikws, ayto poy isxyei kai gia ayto eimaste prosektikoi kai den to leme shmera epeidh einai grammeno to thlefwno toy k. Spyropoyloy alla to leme genikotera. Prepei na eimaste prosektikoi - kai emeis ws PASOK eimaste prosektikoi - otan malista yparxei mia ypoqesh polla xronia se ejelijh kai opoy yparxoyn para polles parametroi. Ara h prosoxh mas prepei na einai idiaiterh. Kai fysika me to na yparxei grammeno ena thlefwno se ena hmerologio, den shmainei apolytws tipote.

POLYMEROS: Yparxei periptwsh sto periqwrio toy oikonomikoy forum sto Ntabos na synanthqei o Prwqypoyrgos me ton k. Erntogan; Kai an nai ti anamenetai na syzhthsoyn;

PETALWTHS: Prwta apo ola, apo osa gnwrizw, den exei paei akomh o k. Erntogan kai kaneis den gnwrizei an qa paei. Ara, h erwthsh einai ypoqetikh kai mexri stigmhs den exei paei.

QEODWROPOYLOS: Problhmatizei thn kybernhsh to gegonos oti to daneiako programma ths xwras gia to 2010, basei twn ychlwn epitokiwn, isodynamei mono h apoplhrwmh twn epitokiwn, sxedon me to Programma Staqerothtas kai Anaptyjhs, me ta xrhmata poy ypologizete na parete apo to Programma Staqerothtas kai Anaptyjhs;

PETALWTHS: Emeis, ennoeitai, problhmatizomaste para poly. Parakoloyqoyme tis ejelijeis ths oikonomias dieqnws kai prospaqoyme na syntonisoyme kai thn oikonomikh politikh ths xwras mas, etsi wste na exoyme ton pio epieikh daneismo. Einai omws mia seira apofasewn, metrwn kai syntetagmenwn poy parakoloyqoyn olh ayth thn ejelijh. Kai eimaste kaqe mera se plhrh parakoloyqhsh kai bebaia h anhsyxia mas einai entonotath. Gnwrizoyme se ti periballon kinoymaste.

QEODWROPOYLOS: Paroti, omws, pairnete epwdyna metra, opws exei pei o idios o Prwqypoyrgos, ta epitokia ths agoras den peftoyn.

PETALWTHS: Ayto eipa prohgoymenws, oti yparxoyn polles parametroi. Gia ayto milhsa gia fhmes. Gia ayto milhsa prohgoymenws kai gia kerdoskopika paixnidia.

KOYKLOYMPERHS: Anakoinwsate xqes ena programma katarghsewn kai sygxwneysewn dhmosiwn organismwn, th stigmh omws poy arketoi apo aytoys toys dhmosioys organismoys den exoyn kan dioikhtika symboylia. Kai hqela na sas rwthsw pws einai dynaton na einai epityxhmeno kai apotelesmatiko ayto to sxedio. Kai gnwrizete hdh, oti einai problhmatismos kai arketwn ypoyrgwn.

PETALWTHS: To na yparxei dioikhtiko symboylio se ena organismo poy qa katarghsoyme, nomizw oti einai antifatiko kai ek toy perissoy. Kanoyme ton elegxo kai elegxoyme sto poioi organismoi yparxoyn mexri twra sto ellhniko kratos, oxi poioi dhmioyrghqhkan h poioi qa dhmioyrghqoyn. Ola ayta ta xronia blepoyme poioi einai oi perittoi, oi opoioi einai anenergoi, oi opoioi den prosferoyn ergo, oi opoioi exoyn terastio leitoyrgiko kostos kai den wfeloyn. Aytoys katargoyme kai alloys toys sygxwneyoyme.

KOYKLOYMPERHS: Ennooysa oti se polloys apo toys dhmosioys organismoys exoyn meinei oi dioikhseis poy eixan oristei apo thn prohgoymenh diakybernhsh.

PETALWTHS: Ennoeite, se aytoys, oi opoioi den katargoyntai kai den sygxwneyontai; Proxwrame me th gnwsth diadikasia sth stelexwsh kai aytwn twn organismwn.

KOYKLOYMPERHS: Yparxei xronodiagramma gia ayto;

PETALWTHS: Xronodiagramma den yparxei. Opws diapistwsate, teleiwse kai o diorismos twn Genikwn kai Eidikwn Grammatewn kai hdh arketoi organismoi kai nomika proswpa dhmosioy symferontos, stelexwnontai.

PAPPA: Exete ypologisei posa xrhmata qa ejoikonomhsei h kybernhsh apo thn katarghsh aytwn twn 200 organismwn;

PETALWTHS: Einai polla ta xrhmata, alla ayth th stigmh den qa hqela na milhsw giati ginontai ypologismoi. Alla, qa diapistwqoyn kai qa anakoinwqoyn otan yparxei kai diasfalismenh ejakribwsh.

GARGALAKOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, prohgoymenws eipate oti sto daneismo qa yparxei diaforopoihsh kai gewgrafikh diaforopoihsh. Apokleiete, dhladh, eseis ws kybernhsh to endexomeno na daneistoyme apo thn Asia, akomh kai apo thn Kina;

PETALWTHS: Pantws, ayth th stigmh, den yparxei tetoia proqesh. Den exei ekfrastei tetoia proqesh. Epanalambanw oti den yphrje kamia entolh diereynhshs daneismoy apo thn Kina.

BITALHS: Qelw na rwthsw kati, me aformh xqes, ena aithma h kapoies dhlwseis, as to poyme etsi, toy arxhgoy ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs k. Samara, anaforika me thn antallagh twn epistolwn toy k. Papandreoy me ton k. Erntogan. O k. Samaras zhtaei na doqei to periexomeno kai twn dyo epistolwn sth dhmosiothta. Milaei gia dimeropoihsh, me aformh thn apanthsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy twn qematwn poy exoyme me thn Toyrkia. Ti apantate sthn kritikh toy k. Samara peri dimeropoihshs twn epafwn kai an sth Xagh, epeidh den exoyme to plhres keimeno ths epistolhs toy Prwqypoyrgoy, parapempetai mono to qema ths yfalokrhpidas h kai kati allo. Ayto epeidh menoyn arketa kena kai den exoyme olo to keimeno ths epistolhs.

PETALWTHS: Opoia kena yparxoyn se epipedo ejwterikhs politikhs qa dieykrinistoyn. Apo ekei kai pera, yphrje amesh apanthsh moy, ek meroys ths kybernhshs, pros ton k. Samara. Kai qewreitai aytonohto oti h politikh hgesia toy ypoyrgeioy Ejwterikwn einai sth diaqesh olwn twn politikwn kommatwn gia plhrh enhmerwsh.

Sas eyxaristw.

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