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Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Deytera, 23 Noembrioy 2009

Ariqmos Deltioy: 236790771

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KYBERNHTIKOS EKPROSWPOS

Aqhna, 23 Noembrioy 2009

GIWRGO PETALWTH

Kalhmera kai kalh ebdomada.

Exw na kanw dyo anakoinwseis:

" H prwth afora sthn Atyph Trimerh Synanthsh twn Prwqypoyrgwn ths Elladas, ths Albanias kai ths Prwhn Gioygkoslabikhs Dhmokratias ths Makedonias, gia thn prostasia kai thn prowqhsh koinhs politikhs diaxeirishs toy Parkoy Prespwn. Anakoinwnoyme, loipon, oti o Prwqypoyrgos ths Elladas k. Giwrgos Papandreoy proskalese toys Prwqypoyrgoys ths Albanias k. Mperisa kai ths Prwhn Gioygkoslabikhs Dhmokratias ths Makedonias k. Gkroyefski se Atyph Trimerh Synanthsh sthn perioxh twn Prespwn, sto Kentro Plhroforhshs Pylhs, thn Paraskeyh 27 Noembrioy 2009, prokeimenoy na syzhthsoyn tis dynatothtes synergasias gia thn prostasia kai th biwsimh anaptyjh ths perioxhs toy Parkoy Prespwn.

H prwtoboylia toy Ellhna Prwqypoyrgoy, poy epibebaiwnei thn koryfaia proteraiothta poy apodidei h ellhnikh kybernhsh sta qemata toy periballontos, erxetai molis liges hmeres prin apo th Synodo Koryfhs ths Kopegxaghs gia thn klimatikh allagh kai dyo mhnes prin apo th symplhrwsh 10 etwn apo thn ekdosh koinoy anakoinwqentos twn tote Prwqypoyrgwn twn triwn xwrwn, stis 2 Febroyarioy 2000, Pagkosmia Hmera Ygrotopwn, me to opoio diakhryjan th desmeysh toys na synergastoyn gia thn prostasia toy oikosysthmatos twn Prespwn.

" H deyterh anakoinwsh: Me ayth, h ellhnikh kybernhsh katadikazei, me ton pleon kathgorhmatiko tropo, thn epiqesh me aytosxedioys ekrhktikoys mhxanismoys sto politiko grafeio toy boyleyth k. Shfh Balyrakh, sta Xania. Epiqeseis tetoioy eidoys, enantion eklegmenwn ekproswpwn toy ellhnikoy laoy, strefontai kata ths Dhmokratias kai kata twn proswpwn poy th sthrizoyn. Oi armodies Arxes qa prajoyn o,ti einai dynaton, prokeimenoy na diereynhqei h ypoqesh kai na odhghqoyn oi ypeyqynoi sth Dikaiosynh.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

TOYMASHS: H profanhs ek twn lexqentwn eyaisqhsia toy Prwqypoyrgoy apenanti se oikologika zhthmata, qa einai kai h aitia poy sthn trimerh ayth synanthsh qa qesei kai qema ths dhlhthriashs toy potamoy Ajioy h Bardarh kata ta slabomakedonika, apo tis biomhxanies oi opoies afhnoyn ta apoblhta toys ekei kai me ton potamo ayto potizontai oi agrotikes ektaseis sthn ellhnikh Makedonia, alla kai dhlhthriazetai o Qermaikos;

PETALWTHS: Sas anakoinwsa to plaisio ths synanthshs ayths poy afora sthn prostasia kai th biwsimh anaptyjh ths perioxhs twn Prespwn. Apo kei kai pera, stis synanthseis oi opoies qa ginoyn, ean teqoyn zhthmata tetoioy eidoys, qa syzhthqoyn.

SEGKOS: O Yfypoyrgos Oikonomias proanaggellei shmera nees sygxwneyseis twn asfalistikwn Tameiwn. Einai stis proqeseis ths kybernhshs kati tetoio, qa teqei sto dialogo ayto to qema;

PETALWTHS: Gia to Asfalistiko, hdh o Ypoyrgos Ergasias k. Loberdos exei jekinhsei tis synanthseis me toys emplekomenoys foreis. Ayth th stigmh exei synanthsh me th GSEE kai thn ADEDY kai stis 16.00 qa exei synanthsh me th Genikh Synomospondia Epaggelmatiwn, Biotexnwn, Emporwn Elladas. Qa teqei to plaisio ths syzhthshs. Se ayto to plaisio jekiname ton koinwniko dialogo gia to Asfalistiko kai o,ti anakoinwnetai epishmws, ennoeitai oti isxyei.

MIXAHL: Se ayton to dialogo yparxei kati to paradojo. Bebaiws, lete oti den qa balete eseis thn atzenta, alla qa th syndiamorfwsete me toys koinwnikoys etairoys. O dialogos ginetai men me ton kaq` ylhn armodio k. Loberdo, alla den ginetai me to allo skelos ths kybernhtikhs eyqynhs, ton Ypoyrgo Oikonomikwn, o opoios qa klhqei na plhrwsei, h telos pantwn na kataqesei sto dialogo, poies oikonomikes antoxes yparxoyn. Ayto egine giati skefteste na to kanete se kapoia epomenh fash h pros to paron qelete na deite poy kinoyntai ta pragmata kai na epanelqete me pio sygkekrimenes protaseis;

PETALWTHS: Prwton, to plaisio toy dialogoy to qetei h kybernhsh. Deyteron, jekinaei o dialogos kai epetai synexeia. Emeis anoigoyme to qema toy dialogoy gia to asfalistiko systhma, to opoio exei para polles ptyxes kai bebaia isxyoyn kai oi proeklogikes desmeyseis toy PASOK.

GARGALAKOS: Hdh h k. Paparhga shmera, afoy tonise oti to KKE den qa parei meros sto dialogo me ta politika kommata gia to Asfalistiko, metaxeiristhke kai mia rhsh, etsi, poy prooiwnizetai, kata kapoio tropo, sygkroysh, legontas, ston polemo apantame me polemo.

PETALWTHS: H kybernhsh me mia ypeyqynh politikh kai taktikh kalei se dialogo polites, foreis kai kommata, mesa apo mia syntetagmenh kai syntonismenh meqodeysh. Apo kei kai pera, einai qema toy kaqenos na deijei thn ypeyqynothta poy armozei, eidika sth shmerinh epoxh, na antapokriqei h na arnhqei kai me th sygkekrimenh aitiologia.

QEODWROPOYLOS: Proeklogika o k. Prwqypoyrgos eixe pei oti qa katarghsete to nomo Petralia. Isxyei ayth h proeklogikh desmeysh; Giati eidame proxqes ton Ypoyrgo Ergasias na kanei pisw.

PETALWTHS: O Ypoyrgos Ergasias den exei kanei pisw. Oi proeklogikes desmeyseis toy PASOK isxyoyn kai malista, exei anakoinwqei oti qa ``pagwsei'' kai gia ena xrono o nomos Petralia.

QEODWROPOYLOS: Qa katarghqei; Ayto eixate desmeytei proeklogika, oti sto synolo toy qa katarghqei o nomos.

PETALWTHS: To qema toy Asfalistikoy einai ena poly megalo zhthma. To na topoqetoymaste apospasmatika den exei kanena nohma kai adikei th synolikh mas politikh. Hdh, ta bhmata poy kanoyme prooiwnizoyn tis proqeseis mas.

PITTARAS: Afoy lete oti efarmozete tis proeklogikes sas desmeyseis, se poia desmeysh proeklogikh egkeitai ayth h apofash se sxesh me ta akinhta kai thn ektakth eisfora gia 400.000 eyrw kai panw;

PETALWTHS: Exoyme pei epaneilhmmenws oti kaloymaste na xeiristoyme se mia ejairetika dyskolh oikonomikh sygkyria, ta oikonomika ths xwras. Me bash ta dedomena poy exoyme, me bash tis ajies mas kai tis arxes mas, poreyomaste, prokeimenoy na mhn plhrwnoyn kaqe fora ta barh aytoi poy ta plhrwnoyn ws synhqws. Ekei poy yparxei megalh perioysia, eixame desmeytei  kai ayto kanoyme- oti qa forologhqei.

SIDERHS: Einai h prwth fora poy toso poly anafereste stis proeklogikes sas desmeyseis. Mhpws einai mhnyma pros ton k. Papakwnstantinoy, o opoios hre tis proeklogikes sas desmeyseis kai ekane to ``pagwma'' twn misqwn anw twn 2.000 eyrw;

PETALWTHS: H kybernhsh dra syllogika kai syntetagmena kai me bash tis proeklogikes mas desmeyseis, stis opoies anaferomai kaqe mera.

SIDERHS: Kai afoy einai syntetagmena, giati o k. Papakwnstantinoy phre thn arxikh toy apofash pisw, na ``pagwsei'' tis apodoxes oswn einai panw apo 2.000 eyrw kai to periorise mono s` aytoys poy exoyn misqo kai syntajh tetoia;

PETALWTHS: Opws anaferqhka kai sto briefing ths Paraskeyhs, o Proypologismos einai ena sygkekrimeno ergaleio, me to opoio poreyomaste kai deixnoyme toys prosanatolismoys mas. Ginetai enas aplos proypologismos esodwn kai ejodwn. Stoxoqetei thn politikh mas. H eisodhmatikh politikh, omws, ryqmizetai stis arxes kaqe xronoy, me leptomereies. Ekei kaqorizontai oi ayjhseis twn misqwn. Einai h prwth fora poy hdh syzhtame prin apo to nomo gia thn eisodhmatikh politikh gia tetoioy eidoys zhthmata kai gi` ayto akribws, ola ayta ta qemata menoyn anoixta, mexri na ryqmistoyn kai nomoqetika.

SIDERHS: Xqes, se mia synenteyjh sas, anaferomenos sthn ERT, eipate gia mikro kai eyelikto sxhma. Ayto ti shmainei; Sygxwneysh staqmwn thleoptikwn h kratikwn, syrriknwsh proswpikoy h syrriknwsh dioikhtikwn yphresiwn;

PETALWTHS: Gia thn ERT qa yparxei ena oloklhrwmeno sxedio, to opoio qa anakoinwqei.

SIDERHS: Qa perilambanei kai apolyseis;

PETALWTHS: To sxedio qa anakoinwqei.

KOYKLOYMPERHS: O diorismos toy k. Zormpa, xqes, apo thn kybernhsh  o opoios na qymisw oti htan Genikos Grammateas Ejoplismwn apo thn kybernhsh Karamanlh, alla kai Proedros ths Arxhs gia to jeplyma mayroy xrhmatos- se poio plaisio entassetai; Sto plaisio toy politikoy politismoy, ths ajiokratias, toy neoy tropoy plhrwshs twn qesewn toy Dhmosioy;

PETALWTHS: O k. Zormpas oristhke me apofash toy Prwqypoyrgoy kai toy Ypoyrgoy Eswterikwn se mia sygkekrimenh qesh, ws Proedros mias Nomoparaskeyastikhs Epitrophs me sygkekrimeno antikeimeno. Ektimhqhke h empeiria kai oi gnwseis toy. Aytos htan o gnwmonas.

SOFIANOS: Eipate oti, stis arxes toy xronoy na perimenoyme kapoies allages sthn eisodhmatikh politikh. Afhse anoixto to endexomeno kai o k. Papakwnstantinoy. Na perimenoyme kai kapoies allages ston Proypologismo, kaqws kai o idios den apekleise to endexomeno na yparjoyn allages katopin kai piesews ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs, en ocei toy Febroyarioy, opote krinetai kai h paratash gia thn ejygiansh ths ellhnikhs oikonomias;

PETALWTHS: Oi allages oi opoies problepontai, einai akribws h nomoqetikh ryqmish ths eisodhmatikhs politikhs.

ANTWNOPOYLOS: Eipate oti o dialogos gia to Asfalistiko molis exei anoijei. Exete skefqei pote qa kleisei aytos o dialogos;

PETALWTHS: Pros to paron den exei oristei sygkekrimeno xronodiagramma, alla einai eynohto oti den qa yparxei polys xronos, prokeimenoy na yparxoyn kai apofaseis.

BITALHS: Ws pros to Asfalistiko, kyrie Ekproswpe. Epeidh anoigete ayto to qema, hqela na rwthsw an sthn paroysa fash poy qetete to Asfalistiko yparxei h ylopoihsh ths proeklogikhs sas desmeyshs gia basikh syntajh poy qa klimakwnetai. Gia th syntajh stoys anasfalistoys, to sygkekrimeno ycos poy eipate proeklogika. Kai gia toys agrotes, to memonwmeno kai to zeygari. Ean ayta mpainoyn twra pros syzhthsh kai ylopoihsh.

PETALWTHS: Epanalambanw gia allh mia fora kai to epanalambanw kathgorhmatika: Se o,ti desmeyqhkame proeklogika, menoyme synepeis kai qa to ylopoihsoyme.

GIANNISHS: Eipate oti h kybernhsh dra syllogika kai syntetagmena se sxesh me to qema toy pagwmatos twn misqwn. Shmera to prwi o k. Pagkalos...

PETALWTHS: Den eipa egw gia pagwma misqwn.

GIANNISHS: Nai. Gia erwthsh toy synadelfoy htan, dieykrinistikh. Shmera o k. Pagkalos se mia prwinh toy synenteyjh, oysiastika apodokimase toys xeirismoys toy oikonomikoy epiteleioy. Einai ayth syllogikh kai syntetagmenh drash;

PETALWTHS: Epeidh diabasa to apomagnhtofwnhmeno keimeno ths synenteyjhs toy k. Pagkaloy, den eida kamia apodokimasia toy oikonomikoy epiteleioy.

POLYMEROS: Na sas gyrisw sthn trimerh synanthsh poy qa ginei stis 27 Noembrioy. Ektos twn oikologikwn qematwn kai thn prostasia toy parkoy twn Prespwn, qa syzhthqoyn kai alla qemata metajy toy Prwqypoyrgoy Giwrgoy Papandreoy kai toy Prwqypoyrgoy twn Skopiwn k. Gkroyefski;

PETALWTHS: Sto plaisio kai dimerwn synanthsewn, oi opoies piqanon na ginoyn, qa syzhthqoyn kai oti qemata aforoyn tis xwres.

QEODWROPOYLOS: Qa einai kai politikh dhladh;

PETALWTHS: Qa ginei syzhthsh metajy twn Prwqypoyrgwn triwn xwrwn.

QEODWROPOYLOS: Kai gia to qema ths onomasias ths Prwhn Gioygkoslabikhs Dhmokratias ths Makedonias;

PETALWTHS: Jekaqarizoyme gia allh mia fora oti gia to qema ths onomasias yparxei mia diadikasia, h opoia akoloyqeitai edw kai xronia: H diaboyleysh mesw toy Organismoy Hnwmenwn Eqnwn kai mono.

PITTARAS: Na epanelqw sthn oikonomia. Kai epeidh lete oti kineiste me bash sygkekrimenes arxes kai ylopoieite desmeyseis sas, eseis pws jerete oti o kosmos, ta mesaia eisodhmata exoyn xrhmata gia na plhrwnoyn to ektakto xaratsi poy bazete sta akinhta, na plhrwnoyn ta ayjhmena telh kykloforias kai esxatws ta ayjhmena asfalistra; Kai taytoxrona na sas akoyne na lete oti qa antimetwpisete th forodiafygh kai to mono poy exoyme dei mexri twra einai ena efe sthn plateia Kolwnakioy.

PETALWTHS: Aytes einai dikes sas ektimhseis kai apoceis. Fysika einai sebastes. Emeis, me bash osa desmeyqhkame prin apo tis ekloges kai lambanontas mia sygkekrimenh entolh apo ton ellhniko lao, me ta dedomena poy exoyme, ylopoioyme tis desmeyseis mas. Eixame desmeyqei gia ton foro Megalhs Akinhths Perioysias kai ayto akribws kanoyme.

KOYTRAS: Einai megalh akinhth perioysia ena akinhto 400.000 eyrw;

PETALWTHS: Gia na dieykrinisoyme: Prwta ap` ola milame gia atomikh perioysia kai oxi oikogeneiakh. Kai milame gia akinhta me sygkekrimenh antikeimenikh ajia- kai gnwrizoyme ti shmainei antikeimenikh ajia.

MIXAHL: Kyrie Ekproswpe, epitrecte moy na epanelqw sto qema poy sas eqesan oi synadelfoi sxetika me to poso drate syllogika kai syntetagmena. To gegonos oti h kybernhsh enw arxika eixe afhsei na ennohqei oti den qa paroyn ayjhsh oi apo 2.000 kai panw, telika ayto ginetai mono sto basiko misqo ejairoymenwn twn epidomatwn. O olos xeirismos den sas problhmatizei, dedomenoy oti o k. Papakwnstantinoy, anejarthta an xeiristhke swsta h laqos to qema, me oles aytes tis antidraseis sta matia twn agorwn stis opoies qa prepei na prosfygei gia na zhthsei daneismo kai sta matia twn Eyrwpaiwn me toys opoioys synomilei, emfanizetai ws adynamos Ypoyrgos Oikonomikwn, o opoios th mia ejaggellei kai thn allh to anatrepete. Ayth h eikona sas problhmatizei; Giati einai mia synepeia thn opoia den thn exete anadeijei.

PETALWTHS: Ws pros ``ta matia'' kai thn ajiopistia stis jenes agores: Emeis, eimaste aytoi poy erxomaste na diaxeiristoyme to terastio elleimma ajiopistias poy exei h xwra mas sto ejwteriko, to opoio exei amesh sxesh kai me ta oikonomika mas, akomh kai me thn kaqhmerinothta mas. Einai, loipon, logiko kai epomeno, prospaqwntas na feroyme se peras ayto to dyskolo dhmosionomiko ergo, na problhmatizomaste kai na kanoyme tis aparaithtes diapistwseis kai aposafhniseis, otan kai opoy xreiazetai. Kai na ypenqymisw ayto poy eipa prohgoymenws: Oi telikes apofaseis ths kybernhshs, se sxesh me tis ayjhseis twn misqwn qa apotypwnontai se ena sygkekrimeno nomoqetiko keimeno poy qa afora thn eisodhmatikh politikh, stis arxes ths xronias.

BLABIANOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, qa epanelqw se mia erwthsh giati den katalaba akribws thn apanthsh sas. Protiqeste na proxwrhsete se nees sygxwneyseis Tameiwn;

PETALWTHS: Nomizw oti einai akairo ayth th stigmh na milhsw egw gia apofaseis se sxesh me to Asfalistiko, otan o dialogos jekina shmera kai exei para polles, fysika, ekfanseis kai polles tomes poy prepei na ginoyn.

NANOS: Gia toys Genikoys Grammateis hqela na rwthsw. Epeidh parathreitai to fainomeno, opote sas askoyn kritikh na anakoinwnete thn idia mera toys Genikoys Grammateis, exoyme kapoio xroniko orio gia to pote qa topoqethqoyn;

PETALWTHS: Toys Genikoys kai toys Eidikoys Grammateis twn Ypoyrgeiwn toys anakoinwnoyme otan yparxei h wrimothta pros anakoinwsh. Ayth einai h grammh mas, ayth einai h stash ths kybernhshs. Kai pisteyoyme oti to apotelesma mas dikaiwnei.

SIDERHS: Otan se enamish mhna exoyn anakoinwqei kati ligotero apo toys misoys, mhpws prepei na amfibaloyme gia thn apotelesmatikothta ths kybernhshs gia thn opoia milate;

PETALWTHS: Eseis mporeite na amfibalete. Emeis pisteyoyme oti exoyme mia sygkekrimenh meqodeysh, akrws kainotoma, h opoia ferei kai ta poqhta apotelesmata.

ZAFEIRIADOY: Qa prosejate, k. Ekproswpe, ston xqesino Typo, toylaxiston dyo dhmosieymata poy epesan sth dikh moy antilhch, ta opoia amfisbhtoyn to oti h idia diadikasia akoloyqhqhke gia oloys toys Genikoys Grammateis poy exoyn oristei. Aixmes yphrjan kai sta shmerina fylla gia kapoioys apo toys 14 poy anakoinwsate xqes. Exei diablhqei, telika, ayth h diadikasia, h kainotoma, poy eipate kai eseis;

PETALWTHS: H diadikasia exei jekinhsei kai proxwrei me toys ryqmoys, oi opoioi prokyptoyn kai me ta apotelesmata poy, epishs, prokyptoyn.

BITALHS: Qelw na moy jekaqarisete akribws, an sas einai eykolo dhladh, th qesh ths kybernhshs me thn peribohth bash toy 10. Prin merikes hmeres, eixame ena mazema kapoias prwths ejaggelias ths Ypoyrgoy, gia katarghsh. Shmera, diabazw sta ``NEA'', an den apatwmai, oti ayto einai proeklogikh desmeysh ths k. Ypoyrgoy. Einai proeklogikh desmeysh toy PASOK kai qa ginei. Poia akribws einai h qesh sas me th bash toy 10;

PETALWTHS: To na leei kapoios Ypoyrgos h Yfypoyrgos thn apoch toy, nomizw oti to dikaioytai. Alla to qetiko  kai to mono qetiko gia thn kybernhsh- einai ayto poy fainetai se ypoyrgikes apofaseis kai se nomoqetika keimena. Mesa sto genikotero plaisio allaghs ths ekpaideyshs, qa yparjoyn kai eidikoteres ryqmiseis kai ws pros ayto to zhthma.

XRISTOFILOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, polla akoygontai gia gkrinies sto eswteriko toy PASOK. Kapoioi lene oti sxedon poinikopoieitai to na einai kapoios melos toy Kinhmatos. Pisteyete stis dyskoles apofaseis poy erxontai, qa sthrijei to komma tis epiloges ths kybernhshs h qa staqei apenanti ths;

PETALWTHS: Hdh, para ayta poy lete kai ta diabazw kai egw, to komma brisketai syntetagmena dipla sthn kybernhsh. Exw pei  kai exoyme pei polles fores- oti o rolos toy kommatos kai o rolos ths kybernhshs einai roloi diakritoi. Kai fysika o rolos toy kommatos einai epibohqhtikos sto dyskolo ergo ths kybernhshs.

GIANNISHS: Armodiothtes oi Yfypoyrgoi, pote qa laboyn;

PETALWTHS: Oi Yfypoyrgoi lambanoyn armodiothtes me tis gnwstes, typikes diadikasies. Se ligo, qa oloklhrwqoyn kai qa anakoinwqoyn.

TOYMASHS: Epanerxomenos sthn erwthsh toy synadelfoy peri Paideias, qa hqela prwton, na anaferw oti doqhke sth dhmosiothta ekqesh ths Komision poy anaferei oti ta ellhnika panepisthmia ``kataktoyn'' thn teleytaia qesh se gnwstiko kai maqhsiako epipedo. Qa hqela, loipon, na rwthsw, an pera apo ta genikologa eyxologia, problepontai sygkekrimena kai safh anadiorganwtika metra kai sxedia apo thn kybernhsh gia na anatrapei ayth h gnwstikh kai maqhsiakh katrakyla, poy apotypwnetai sta ellhnika panepisthmia.

PETALWTHS: Thn katastash twn ellhnikwn panepisthmiwn th gnwrizoyme oloi, th biwnoyme oloi. Ayto ginetai bash, ws proklhsh gia thn kybernhsh, na allajei kai thn tritobaqmia ekpaideysh, me tis gnwstes xronies paqogeneies poy exoyme diapistwsei. Kai fysika qa yparxei ryqmish kai gia thn anwtath ekpaideysh kai malista apo enan eyrytato dialogo olwn twn emplekomenwn forewn.

QEODWROPOYLOS: Qa ikanopoioyse thn kybernhsh an o Syndesmos Ellhnwn Biomhxanwn, stis diapragmateyseis poy jekinhse me th GSEE, symfwnoyse se analoges ayjhseis me aytes poy ejhggeile h kybernhsh mesw toy Proypologismoy, ths tajews toy 1,5%;

PETALWTHS: Oi diapragmateyseis anamesa ston SEB kai th GSEE, (diejagontai), opws orizontai apo to nomo. Einai syllogikes diapragmateyseis. Ginontai metajy toys kai den qa mporoysame  ennoeite- emeis na ekfrasoyme apoch shmera.

SEGKOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, mporeite na mas peite pote qa jekinhsei o dialogos gia tis ergasiakes sxeseis, epeidh hdh exei jekinhsei to Asfalistiko kai den exei teqei ayto to qema;

PETALWTHS: Otan qa jekinhsei, qa anakoinwqei. Opws blepete, emeis anoigoyme ta qemata. Eimaste kybernhsh, h opoia ergazetai kai anoigei kai ola ta pedia opoy prepei na yparxoyn parembaseis.

POLYMEROS: Panw se ayto: Exoyn perasei peripoy 50 hmeres apo thn hmera poy analabate ta kaqhkonta kai ta hnia ths xwras. Pws aisqanetai h kybernhsh; Einai akadhmaiko to erwthma, alla mporeite na to apanthsete. Pws aisqaneste ws kybernhsh;

PETALWTHS: Qa epanalabw ayto poy eipa kai prohgoymenws: Eimaste mia kybernhsh, h opoia ergazetai. Mia kybernhsh poy anoigei ola ta zhthmata kai poy qa meinei pisth stis proeklogikes ths desmeyseis. Emeis, ta problhmata ta antimetwpizoyme ws proklhsh. Den apologoymaste shmera. Emeis eimaste aytoi poy prokaloyme th dhmosiopoihsh toys. Ta apotypwnoyme, ta katagrafoyme kai gi` ayto akribws apeyqynoyme kai prosklhsh se oloys toys emplekomenoys foreis -polites kai kommata- na symmetexoyn se ena megalo dialogo gia thn epilysh twn megalwn problhmatwn ths xwras mas.

POLYMEROS: Ep` aytoy: Eiste eyxaristhmenoi, dhladh, apo to ergo poy ginetai aytes tis 50 hmeres; Ayto, an mporeite na mas apanthsete. An einai eyxaristhmenh h kybernhsh.

PETALWTHS: Emeis, eimaste sthn krish toy ellhnikoy laoy. Ayto poy kanoyme einai na ergazomaste. Ayto poy kanoyme einai na skeftomaste kainoyrgies lyseis. Kai nomizw oti h kybernhsh einai pisth stis prosdokies toy ellhnikoy laoy. Ylopoiei thn elpida poy ths edwse o ellhnikos laos stis 4 Oktwbrioy.

KAMPOYRAKHS: As to kanw egw ligo pio sygkekrimeno. O Prwqypoyrgos einai ikanopoihmenos apo thn apodosh kai thn poreia ths kybernhshs aytoys toys peripoy dyo mhnes;

PETALWTHS: Bebaiws.

MANOS: Apo toys Ypoyrgoys;

PETALWTHS: Apanthsa: Bebaiws.

SIDERHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, h parembash Papoytsh, poy efere thn ypanaxwrhsh Papakwnstantinoy, stoixizei ston kratiko korbana gyrw sta 280 me 300 ekat. eyrw. Eklhqh o k. Papoytshs na pei poy qa breqoyn ayta ta lefta poy afairoyntai, meta thn parembash toy, apo ta dhmosia esoda;

PETALWTHS: Exw pei kai allh fora oti h ellhnikh kybernhsh einai ayth poy xarazei thn ypeyqynh politikh. H ellhnikh kybernhsh einai ayth poy ylopoiei tis desmeyseis. Kai apo ekei kai pera, o rolos toy Koinoboylioy einai diakritos, einai shmantikotatos kai safws synapofasizei kai lambanontai ypoch oles oi protaseis.

PITTARAS: Epeidh epimenete na dhlwnete pisth stis proeklogikes sas desmeyseis, o k. Papandreoy eixe desmeyqei proeklogika pws kaneis, o opoios qa epilegei se qesh Genikoy Grammatea Ypoyrgeioy, den qa exei diatelesei sto idio posto sto parelqon. Xqes, ena apo ta onomata poy anakoinwsete eixe diatelesei sto idio akribws posto.

PETALWTHS: Gia poio onoma milate;

PITTARAS: Gia thn k. Mendwnh. Poia proeklogikh desmeysh, loipon, akoloyqhsate;

PETALWTHS: Ayth th diadikasia, gia thn epilogh Genikwn Grammatewn, pragmatika, nomizw oti qa th zhleyan polla krath ston kosmo. Einai mia diadikasia, h opoia fernei ta kalytera apotelesmata, h opoia synektima, mesa apo diafaneia kai ajiokratia, ta oysiastika prosonta, thn politikh empeiria, thn koinwnikh prosfora. Kai nomizw oti gi` ayth th diadikasia qa prepei na eimaste yperhfanoi.

PITTARAS: Den sas kathgorhse kaneis oti den akoloyqeite ajiokratika krithria. Allo pragma lew.

PETALWTHS: Kai thn erwthsh sas thn akoysa kai h apanthsh moy einai ayth poy sas edwsa.

PITTARAS: Qymaste ti eixe pei o k. Papandreoy;

PETALWTHS: Sas apanthsa me osa hdh sas eipa.

SOFIANOS: Xqes, yphrjan dhmosieymata poy epanaferoyn sto proskhnio to tajidi toy Prwqypoyrgoy stis HPA. Kata poso epibebaiwnontai  anaferomai sthn ``KAQHMERINH'', an den kanw laqos- gia dyo sygkekrimenes hmeromhnies, eite ligo prin ta Xristoygenna, eite meta, ton Ianoyario. Se poio shmeio briskontai oi diapragmateyseis gia thn epikeimenh episkech toy Prwqypoyrgoy stis HPA;

PETALWTHS: Ayta kaqorizontai mesw ths diplwmatikhs odoy kai anakoinwnontai otan yparxei hmeromhnia pros anakoinwsh.

SOFIANOS: An moy epitrepete, thn Paraskeyh, an den kanw laqos h thn Pempth, yphrje apanthsh toy Ypoyrgoy Eswterikwn se epikairh erwthsh ths Neas Dhmokratias gia thn chfo twn omogenwn, xwris na dwsei sygkekrimenes hmeromhnies. Eipe apla oti, otan qa ejasfalisoyme ta 2/3 poy apaitoyntai gia thn allagh, qa kataqesoyme to nomosxedio. Dhladh, pote; Qa yparxei kapoio xronodiagramma; H Nea Dhmokratia den exei akomh kan Proedro. Me poion qa diapragmateyqei kai pote qa yparjei ayth h ekkinhsh toy dialogoy gia thn ejasfalish twn 2/3;

PETALWTHS: H chfos twn omogenwn einai ena zhthma poy mas exei apasxolhsei kai ws antipoliteysh. Emeis, eixame mia sygkekrimenh qesh: Oi omogeneis prepei na ekproswpoyntai apo omogeneis. Na yparxei gnhsia antiproswpeysh toys sto ellhniko Koinoboylio kai me bash aytes tis arxes qa kataqesoyme tis apoceis kai tis protaseis mas, prospaqwntas na eimaste synainetikoi, etsi wste na yparxei ayth h pleiochfia twn 2/3, prokeimenoy h chfos twn omogenwn, twn apodhmwn, na ginei kai prajh.

SOFIANOS: Pote peripoy;

PETALWTHS: Den mporw na sas pw sygkekrimenh hmeromhnia. Einai mia diadikasia, h opoia qa ejelixqei kai den einai fysika qema mias hmeras h mias ebdomadas.

SEGKOS: Sto dialogo gia tis ergasiakes sxeseis, otan jekinhsei, qa teqoyn pros syzhthsh kai oi teleytaies apofaseis toy EKOFIN gia th xwra mas;

PETALWTHS: O dialogos qa einai anoiktos kai qa yparxei sygkekrimeno plaisio.

QEODWROPOYLOS: Lambanei mesa tis apofaseis toy EKOFIN;

PETALWTHS: Otan qa jekinhsei o dialogos panw sto sygkekrimeno qema, qa to deite.

Sas eyxaristw.

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