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Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Deytera, 26 Oktwbrioy 2009

Ariqmos Deltioy: 231806522

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APOMAGNHTOFWNHMENO KEIMENO THS SYZHTHSHS TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY ME TON KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO GIWRGO PETALWTH (261009)

Aqhna, 26 Oktwbrioy 2009

APOMAGNHTOFWNHMENO KEIMENO SYZHTHSHS TWN POLITIKWN SYNTAKTWN KAI TWN ANTAPOKRITWN JENOY TYPOY ME TON KYBERNHTIKO EKPROSWPO

GIWRGO PETALWTH

ANTYPAS: Einai eyxaristhmenh h kybernhsh apo thn epilogh toy k. Dhmhtraina;

PETALWTHS: Giati na einai dysaresthmenh h kybernhsh;

ANTYPAS: Giati exoyn bgei diafora. Oti htan synergaths ths gynaikas Ypoyrgoy kai...

PETALWTHS: Nomizw oti o k. Kastanidhs apanthse. Jekaqaristhke oti den yphrje synergasia me th syzygo toy Ypoyrgoy kai oti ena biblio to opoio ypotiqetai oti ejedwsan mazi, einai praktika, ekdosh praktikwn enos synhqismenoy episthmonikoy synedrioy. Kai oi dyo einai poinikologoi. Ayto.

ANTYPAS: Einai alhqeia kyrie Ekproswpe oti o k. Dhmhtrainas exei kanei to didaktoriko toy sth syzygo toy k. Kastanidh;

PETALWTHS: To didaktoriko toy to exei kanei sto panepisthmio. Twra...

ANTYPAS: (Den akoygetai)... doyleyoyn.

PETALWTHS: Den gnwrizw an htan epiblepoysa toy didaktorikoy. Einai omws sth Nomikh Sxolh ths Qessalonikhs, to biografiko toy ayto leei kai h k. Kastanidoy einai diakekrimenh kaqhghtria sto idio panepisthmio. O k. Dhmhtrainas exei mia kariera akadhmaikh sth Nomikh Sxolh ths Qrakhs.

GARGALAKOS: Yparxei mhnyma dysareskeias pros ton Prwqypoyrgo kai Proedro toy PASOK apo to apotelesma ths chfoforias toy Eqnikoy Symboylioy;

PETALWTHS: Ayto einai qema poy afora to PASOK ws komma, kai egw den mporw na topoqethqw. Ayto einai safes. Alla, se kaqe eklogikh diadikasia yparxoyn oi pleiochfies kai oi meiochfies.

GARGALAKOS: Qewreite lhjan to qema me ta stage gia thn kybernhsh h meletaei akomh kati ap` ayth thn ypoqesh; Paradeigmatos xarh gia moriodothsh;

PETALWTHS: Thn Paraskeyh h Diypoyrgikh Epitroph poy synedriase ejedwse thn anakoinwsh thn opoia exete ypoch sas, kai me ayth thn energeia exoyn jekaqarisei ta panta ws pros ta stage.

PETOYRH: Gia tis symbaseis ergoy omws, nomizw oti den einai toso jekaqaro. Dhladh, egw katalaba, apo thn anakoinwsh oti qa metatrapoyn se symbaseis ergasias orismenoy xronoy, h anakoinwsh omws...

PETALWTHS: Opoy einai aparaithtes, etsi;

PETOYRH: Opoy kalyptoyn pagies kai diarkeis anagkes.

PETALWTHS: Me tis symbaseis ergoy, safws einai pio periploko to zhthma, giati edw eixame na kanoyme me ena programma to opoio to jeroyme kai einai sygkekrimeno, parolo poy akomh caxnoyme na kanoyme katagrafh posoi einai oi symbasioyxoi stage. Symbaseis ergoy, omws, einai enas allos tropos na parexetai pio monimh kai ejarthmenh ergasia, me enan allo tropo ergasias poy na emfanizetai ws symbash ergoy. Synepws kai ekei qa ginei katagrafh. Oi symbaseis ergoy einai anamfisbhthto oti se orismenes periptwseis xreiazontai. Se polles periptwseis, omws, ypokryptoyn alloy eidoys ergasia. Oi symbaseis ergoy dikaiologoyntai otan mia sygkekrimenh yphresia xreiazetai mia eidikh sxesh paroxhs yphresiwn, ws ergo dhladh, kai me sygkekrimeno stoxo kai den mporei, pisw apo mia symbash ergoy, na ypokryptetai allh sxesh ergasias. Ekei qa ginei katagrafh kai oses einai aparaithtes qa parameinoyn  kata pasa piqanothta qa yparjoyn kai sto mellon- alla oses den einai aparaithtes kai ginontan me alloys skopoys, sigoyra den qa yparxoyn.

PETOYRH: Qa parameinoyn ws symbaseis ergoy h qa metatrapoyn se symbaseis orismenoy xronoy;

PETALWTHS: Gi` ayto lew oti qa prepei na diereynhqei ti akribws ginetai. Ean fanei oti pisw apo mia symbash ergoy ypokryptetai mia ejarthmenh sxesh ergasias, kata pasa piqanothta, qa metatrapei se symbash orismenoy xronoy ergasias.

MAKRYGIANNHS: Qa metatrapei amesws; Pws qa ginei;

PETOYRH: Ayto. Dhladh, sthn anakoinwsh...

PETALWTHS: Amesws.

PETOYRH: Sthn anakoinwsh milate gia ASEP. Th diadikasia toy ASEP ews twra thn exoyme synhqisei ws xronobora, na pairnei dyo kai tria xronia. Aytes kalyptoyn pagies kai diarkeis anagkes. Ti ginetai se ayth thn periptwsh, gi` aytes poy kalyptoyn pagies kai diarkeis anagkes;

PETALWTHS: Prwta ap` ola, eipame oti qa enisxysoyme to ASEP, etsi wste to ASEP pragmatika na epitelei to rolo poy prepei na epitelei, na einai mesa se proqesmies oi opoies qa einai symbates me th leitoyrgia toy Dhmosioy. Ara tropos yparxei. Egw menw kai to lew etsi safestata oti otan yparxei politikh boylhsh gia kati, ginetai. Kai oi xronobores diadikasies mporoyn na syntomeytoyn kai na exoyme kai nomimothta epiteloys.

PETOYRH: Na to ejeidikeysw; Sthn ERT yparxoyn para polles symbaseis ergoy. H mish ERT leitoyrgei me symbaseis ergoy. Einai dyo ta eidh twn symbasewn dhladh: Oi monimoi pleon, oi symbaseis aoristoy xronoy kai oi symbaseis ergoy. Sthn ERT, kat` arxas, epeidh milame gia dhmosiografoys -sthn pleionothta toys einai aytoi poy exoyn symbaseis ergoy- milame kai gia ASEP;

PETALWTHS: Opoy yparxei anagkh na mpei to ASEP, qa mpei to ASEP. Kai to lew ayto oxi gia na sas apofygw, alla qa ejeidikeyqei kaqe symbash ergoy. Ayto einai to nohma kai ayth einai h apofash. Kaqe symbash ergoy qa ejeidikeyqei kata periptwsh kai qa antimetwpistei me ton analogo tropo. Qa ajiologhqei, an pragmatika einai symbash ergoy h oxi. Qa ajiologhqei an qa prepei na metatrapei se symbash orismenoy xronoy, ean einai anagkaia dhladh h paroysia toy sygkekrimenoy symbeblhmenoy. Ara qa ginei ejeidikeysh kai kata periptwsh antimetwpish.

MIXAHL: Sas problhmatizei to gegonos oti anejarthta ths ryqmishs ayths prokaloyntai antidraseis kai qa breqeite apenanti se ena klima diamartyrias apo toys qigomenoys; Dhladh, diamorfwnetai ena koinwniko metwpo, mikro h megalo, qa to doyme sthn poreia. Sas problhmatizei ayto; Dhladh, elhfqh ypoch oti mporei na exoyme mia sygkroysh me mia koinwnikh omada, afoy phrate thn apofash ayth;

PETALWTHS: Sigoyra, lambanetai ypoch kaqe parametros se sxesh me to qema ayto, giati den mporoyme na parablecoyme oti afora mia megalh merida, kyriws newn politwn ayths ths xwras. Apo ekei kai pera, lambanontas ypoch kai ayth thn parametro proxwrhsame se sygkekrimenes apofaseis. Giati, opws epaneilhmmenws exw pei qa prepei epiteloys na diorqwsoyme tis paranomies oi opoies yparxoyn. Qa prepei epiteloys na stamathsei na yparxei aytos o ergasiakos mesaiwnas kai h xronia paqogeneia toy na baftizontai sygkekrimenes sxeseis ergasias me diaforetiko tropo. Kai na prospaqoyme na kleisoyme tis trypes stis anagkes toy Dhmosioy, dhmioyrgwntas mia pelateiakh sxesh me sygkekrimenoys anqrwpoys.

KOYTRAS: Kai oi trypes poy qa dhmioyrghqoyn twra, pws qa kleisoyn;

PETALWTHS: Sygnwmh, na oloklhrwsw: Opws kai lambanoyme ypoch, bebaia, oti exoyme parei kai mia entolh, isxyrh entolh malista, na epanaferoyme th nomimothta se aytoy toy eidoys tis katastaseis. Hmastan apolyta desmeymenoi proeklogika, parolo poy qa mporoysame na metrhsoyme ta proeklogika ofelh kai ta eklogika ofelh patwntas se dyo barkes, emeis omws apo thn arxh eipame ``terma oi symbaseis stage'' kai me ayth thn arxh poreyomaste.

BLABIANOS: Pali kapoioi qa kindyneysoyn na meinoyn anergoi, omws.

PETALWTHS: Ma, oi anqrwpoi aytoi einai oytws h allws, anergoi. Aplws yphrxe enas tropos na kalyptetai h anergia kai htan mia jekaqarh meqodeysh ths Neas Dhmokratias. Einai gnwsto kai to exoyme kataggeilei epaneilhmmenws oti oi ypotiqemenoi maqhteyomenoi den paroysiazontan ws anergoi. Einai poly pio logiko kai entimo na katagrafetai h pragmatikh katastash toy xwroy ths ergasias shmera sthn Ellada, prokeimenoy na doyme kai poia einai h katastash kai ti metra prepei na paroyme kai na toys antimetwpisoyme ws pragmatika anergoys.

SIDERHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, eipate oti h teleytaia genia twn stage htan paranomh.

PETALWTHS: H teleytaia genia...

SIDERHS: Proeklogika.

PETALWTHS: Proeklogika. Malista.

SIDERHS: Gia na ylopoihqei, omws, kapoioi yphresiakoi paragontes ypegracan, ebalan thn ypografh toys gi` ayto. Qa toys parapemcete sth Dikaiosynh, oytws wste na leitoyrghsei paradeigmatika kai oi dhmosioi ypallhloi na mh ginontai sto mellon ypoxeiria twn politikwn proistamenwn toys;

PETALWTHS: Nomizw oti den einai qema yphresiakwn paragontwn, etsi opws to blepw egw ayth th stigmh. Einai qema mias politikhs boylhshs, mias politikhs hgesias, poy ekane sygkekrimenes politikes epiloges.

SIDERHS: Kai kapoioi ypallhloi eginan epiorkoi.

PETALWTHS: Ean prokyptoyn eyqynes se kapoioys ypallhloys, safws kai qa elegxqoyn.

KOYTRAS: Ta kena poy qa dhmioyrghqoyn twra; Yparxoyn kapoies yphresies poy leitoyrgoyn apokleistika me stage. Pws qa kalyfqoyn;

PETALWTHS: Apokleistika, den nomizw oti yparxoyn yphresies poy leitoyrgoyn, alla exw ypoch moy oti se polles yphresies to 1/3 ths dynamhs twn yphretoyntwn einai mesa apo programmata stage. Ekei qa prepei na katagrafoyn oi anagkes kai qa prepei na dromologhqoyn oles ekeines oi diadikasies, etsi wste na kalyfqoyn ayta ta kena me toys nomimoys tropoys.

KOYKLOYMPERHS: Pote prosdiorizete xronika thn prokhryjh gia thn kalych aytwn twn qesewn;

PETALWTHS: Twra einai akairo. Egw den mporw na sas pw kati tetoio. Qa prepei, prwta ap` ola, na stamathsoyn oi symbaseis stage kai na katagrafoyn ta kena.

MOSXOBAS: Eseis lete oti htan paranomes oi proslhceis. Ayto to hjere kai o k. Loberdos. Giati zhthse thn kalych thn eyryterh ths kybernhshs kai o idios den eipe ``dialyw ayto to Swma twn paranomwn (den akoygetai)'';

PETALWTHS: Den nomizw oti zhthse thn kalych ths kybernhshs. Alla, opws gnwrizete, to qema twn stage einai ena qema poy afora perissotera apo ena Ypoyrgeia. O k. Loberdos einai Ypoyrgos Ergasias. Ta stage yparxoyn sto Dhmosio, synepws yparxei synarmodiothta kai toy Ypoyrgeioy Eswterikwn. En pash periptwsei einai ena zhthma to opoio afora olo to fasma ths Dhmosias Dioikhshs. Htan toso aplwmena ta stage, wste den yphrxe Ypoyrgeio poy na mhn apasxolei stage. Ara, eprepe na parqei mia politikh apofash se syllogiko epipedo kai akribws ayto egine. Kai malista, kai me thn anakoinwsh ths Paraskeyhs kai me th synqesh Diypoyrgikhs Epitrophs, ayto fanhke.

MOSXOBAS: Ara, kalws to zhthse.

PETALWTHS: H kybernhsh ekrine oti prepei na dromologhqei me ayto ton tropo. Kai to ekane.

ANTYPAS: Mia dieykrinish se erwthsh ths k. Petoyrh. Sas rwthse gia thn ERT sygkekrimena kai afhsate anoixto ton ean qa mpei sto ASEP h oxi. An qymamai kala, einai kentrikh proeklogikh desmeysh toy PASOK, oles oi qeseis aoristoy xronoy, xwris kamia ejairesh, na pernoyn apo to ASEP.

PETALWTHS: Nomizw gia symbash orismenoy xronoy. Einai orismenoy xronoy. Egw eipa oti qa thrhqei h nomimothta.

ANTYPAS: To exw shmeiwsei: Alloy ASEP, alloy oxi .

PETALWTHS: Egw eipa kati tetoio;

ANTYPAS: Eipate ``opoy yparxei anagkh na mpei ASEP qa mpei''.

PETALWTHS: Ayto lew. Oti qa thrhqei h nomimothta. Ean h nomimothta milaei gia ASEP... Egw krathsa mia epifylajh epeidh einai poly ejeidikeymenh periptwsh.

ANTYPAS: H prohgoymenh kybernhsh ekane ena nomo poy metetrece tis symbaseis xwris ASEP, apo orismenoy xronoy se aoristoy. Qa kanete kai eseis to idio h eseis qa balete ASEP symfwna me thn proeklogikh sas desmeysh;

PETALWTHS: Kat` arxas den eipa to ti qa kanoyme emeis se sygkekrimena zhthmata. Eipa oti qa thrhqei h nomimothta. Einai mia synqeth diadikasia...

ANTYPAS: Kai h diadikasia toy k. Paylopoyloy, nomimh htan.

PETALWTHS: Egw exw tis amfibolies moy. Kai einai allo otan xrhsimopoieitai mia nomimofanhs diadikasia gia na ejyphrethqoyn alla symferonta kai allo pragma einai h nomimothta. Emeis qa thrhsoyme th nomimothta kai h genikh mas arxh einai ASEP. Twra, ean yparxei mia idiaiterh periptwsh kai den apaiteitai ASEP, tote qa thrhqei h nomimh diadikasia.

ANTYPAS: Dhladh, qa epanejetasete tis symbaseis sthn ERT, poy metatraphkan se aoristoy xronoy apo to nomo Paylopoyloy;

PETALWTHS: Einai poly ejeidikeymeno ayto poy me rwtate. Egw sas apantaw me th genikoterh arxh mas, oti qa thrhqei h nomimothta. Kai opoy xreiazetai na epanejetastoyn kai den anaferomai se periptwseis gia tis opoies milate, alla opoy xreiazetai na epanejetastei mia diadikasia, safws kai qa ginei.

PETOYRH: Egw rwthsa gia tis symbaseis ergoy poy metatrepontai se orismenoy xronoy. Kai ayto sto parelqon sthn ERT exei ginei dyo fores, xwris na yparxei... Den exei ginei ypo thn epiblech toy ASEP. Exoyn prokhryxqei organikes qeseis kai metatrepontai oi symbaseis ergoy se symbaseis ergasias orismenoy xronoy.

PETALWTHS: Emeis kai ws antipoliteysh eixame katakrinei, polles fores, to ti ginetai sthn ERT. Kai malista zhthsame kai th sygklhsh ths armodias Koinoboyleytikhs Epitrophs, opoy kalesame kai ton Proedro ths ERT gia na entopisoyme ta kakws keimena.

PETOYRH: Kai epi hmerwn toy PASOK egine ayth h diadikasia, h prwth.

PETALWTHS: Nai. Twra milame gia mia allh kybernhsh kai opoy pragmatika diafwnhsame, opoy pragmatika diafwnoyme, qa efarmosoyme pleon allh taktikh. Einai poly eidiko ayto poy rwtate.

ANTYPAS: Den einai kaqoloy eidiko. Den mporw na antilhfqw giati h kybernhsh dyskoleyetai na pei oti kai sthn ERT, ean prokeitai na ginei prokhryjh qesewn aoristoy xronoy, qa ginei me ASEP. Den katalabainw giati dyskoleyeste, kyrie Ekproswpe.

PETALWTHS: Den dyskoleyomai kaqoloy. Egw sas lew th genikoterh arxh, oti qa thrhqei h nomimh diadikasia. Eseis qelete na sas pw twra oti qa thrhqei ayth h diadikasia. Ayth h sygkekrimenh diadikasia, mporei na mhn einai h nomimh kai na mhn einai h deoysa.

ANTYPAS: O k. Papandreoy to exei pei kyrie Petalwth, den to eipe...

PETALWTHS: An to eipe o k. Papandreoy, meinete sth dhlwsh toy k. Papandreoy. Egw, aplws sas apantw -epeidh den ginetai na gnwrizw oles tis diadikasies kai den prepei na tis gnwrizoyme oles tis diadikasies h na kanei kaneis oti tis jerei oles tis diadikasies- genikws oti h nomimh diadikasia qa thrhqei.

MOSXOBAS: Na rwthsw kati allo gia toys Genikoys Grammateis twn Ypoyrgeiwn. Den exete ypoch sas mia ypoboskoysa antidrash, akomh kai apo Ypoyrgoys  toylaxiston ayto apotypwnetai sto reportaz- gia thn kaqysterhsh na stelexwqoyn krisimoi tomeis, opws einai o Genikos h o Eidikos Grammateas se kaqe Ypoyrgeio;

PETALWTHS: Na sas enhmerwsw ti ginetai oson afora toys Genikoys Grammateis: Mesa sto Sabbatokyriako oloi oi Ypoyrgoi eixan sta xeria toys fakeloys, me toys proteinomenoys Genikoys Grammateis. Hdh, mexri to meshmeri shmera, qa yparxei enas poly megalos ariqmos Genikwn Grammatewn poy qa einai etoimoi. H anakoinwsh twn Genikwn Grammatewn, qa ginei tis epomenes hmeres.

MOSXOBAS: Proteinomenoys apo poioys;

PETALWTHS: Mesa apo th diadikasia epejergasias twn pollwn aithsewn kai biografikwn, katalhjame se kapoioys mikroteroys ariqmoys ana Ypoyrgeio kai me bash aytes tis katastaseis qa yparjoyn kai...

MOSXOBAS: Gia ayth Epitroph poy toys ajiologei, ayto rwtaw.

PETALWTHS: Ayta ta eipame polles fores. Sas exw pei  kala kanete kai rwtate, ayth einai h doyleia sas- oti ayth einai mia eswterikh diadikasia, h opoia fqanei pros to telos. Kai ayth h diadikasia qa bgalei kai toys Genikoys Grammateis.

MOSXOBAS: Poioi thn exoyn analabei, den mporeite na mas peite; Ston Typo exoyn grafei onomata, opws toy k. Pampoykh, ths k. Mpatzelh klp.

PETALWTHS: Egine mia sygkekrimenh epejergasia, me bash ta biografika, ta typika prosonta, thn hlikia, thn ikanothta poy fainetai kai apo ta biografika, me bash synenteyjeis oi opoies eite elhfqhsan, eite qa lhfqoyn, etsi wste na exoyme toys ikanoteroys, toylaxiston kata tekmhrio, Genikoys Grammateis.

MAKRYGIANNHS: Me olh ayth th diadikasia, me thn kaqysterhsh poy yphrje, ws kybernhsh exete metaniwsei poy epilejate ayto ton tropo;

PETALWTHS: Sas metaferw to klima poy yparxei sthn kybernhsh. Den exoyme metaniwsei, giati gnwrizame oti to na epilejoyme mia diadikasia poy qa anaferotan se para polloys sympolites mas kai qa anoige to pedio, etsi wste polloi na exoyn th dynatothta na ypobaloyn to endiaferon toys, qa htan sigoyra poly pio xronobora apo mia diadikasia opoy kaqe Ypoyrgos qa epelege ton Geniko toy Grammatea. Htan omws mia sygkekrimenh epilogh opoy kai shmeiologika, alla kai oysiastika fainetai to pneyma ths neas kybernhshs.

MAKRYGIANNHS: Ti nohma exei enas agnwstos na ypobalei (den akoygetai).

PETALWTHS: Eipa poia diadikasia yparxei, poia diadikasia akoloyqeitai. Sas plhroforw, epeidh exw dei arketa biografika, oti kai mesa apo ta biografika agnwstwn anqrwpwn yparxei h dynatothta na ginoyn kapote gnwstoi, me thn kalh ennoia, bebaia, aytoi oi anqrwpoi.

MAKRYGIANNHS: Qa yparxoyn tetoies epiloges;

PETALWTHS: Pisteyw oti qa yparxoyn.

MOSXOBAS: (Den akoygetai).

PETALWTHS: Qa fanei apo to apotelesma.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Qa hqela na rwthsw an qa yparjoyn h an qa prepei na yparjoyn periptwseis Genikwn Grammatewn, me politika xarakthristika, me toys Ypoyrgoys sthn kybernhsh...

PETALWTHS: Ean prepei h ean epitrepetai;

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: An qa doyme periptwseis poy qa exoyn teleiws diaforetikes ideologikes kai politikes antilhceis, kai an qewrei h kybernhsh oti to apotelesma ths chfoforias gia ton Grammatea toy kommatos eixe na kanei akribws me ayth thn antidrash. Yphrxan idioteleies sto eswteriko toy PASOK;

PETALWTHS: Ws pros to apotelesma, apanthsa prohgoymenws oti htan mia kommatikh diadikasia kai yparxoyn panta sysxetismoi se kaqe chfoforia kai se kaqe eklogh. Apo kei kai pera, pisteyoyme...

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: (Den akoygetai).

PETALWTHS: Oson afora to prwto skelos toy erwthmatos sas: Yparxei isxyrh pepoiqhsh sthn kybernhsh oti h diadikasia poy akoloyqeitai einai h deoysa kai oti kai apo thn allh pleyra eisprattoyme kai th synainesh toy kosmoy gia to oti emeis anoigoyme to topio, etsi wste ayto poy onomazame  kai to leme kai kata koron pleon- ws dhmosia diaboyleysh, ginetai prajh kai poly perissotero se alloys tomeis, apo edw kai pera, opoy prepei na ginei. Oson afora to deytero: Ayto qa fanei otan anakoinwqoyn ta onomata twn Genikwn Grammatewn. Pisteyw oti oloi mas  kai eseis bebaia- o kaqenas apo thn pleyra toy qa kanei thn epejergasia kai qa fanoyn ta xarakthristika aytwn twn stelexwn ths Dioikhshs poy einai Genikoi Grammateis.

GARGALAKOS: Ena stelexos poy apo politikhs apochs kai topoqethshs einai enantion ths politikhs toy PASOK, na zhtate apo ayto na ylopoihsei thn politikh toy Ypoyrgeioy;

PETALWTHS: Pisteyw oti qa yparxei ekeinh h merimna, wste o Genikos Grammateas na einai symbatos me thn politikh toy Ypoyrgeioy.

PERDIKARHS: Stis epomenes qeseis poy qa prokhryxqoyn ti qa epanalabete kai ti oxi, an yphrjan kapoia laqh kata th diadikasia;

PETALWTHS: Qa fanei apo to pws qa kanoyme aytes tis prosklhseis gia dhlwsh endiaferontos gia sygkekrimenes qeseis, gia tis opoies pisteyw oti h diadikasia qa einai pio eykolh  an kai qa einai poly megalyteros o ariqmos aithsewn- apo thn apoch oti polles apo tis ypoloipes qeseis qa einai kai pio texnokratikes apo th qesh enos Genikoy Grammatea Ypoyrgeioy.

SWKOS: Gia thn COSCO qa hqela na rwthsw. Epeidh h anakwxh twn dyo ebdomadwn poy edwse h Ypoyrgos, teleiwnei meqayrio. Ayto to diasthma poy mesolabhse, exei proxwrhsei h epanadiapragmateysh me toys Kinezoys kai o dialogos me toys ergazomenoys; Poy brisketai ayto to qema;

PETALWTHS: Ej oswn gnwrizw, ginontai syzhthseis kai to melhma ths kybernhshs einai na yparjei oristikh lysh.

SWKOS: Den qa exoyme apergia dhladh stis 2 toy mhnos;

PETALWTHS: Elpizw pws oxi, alla ayto einai qema twn limenergatwn. H kybernhsh, pantws, syzhta, epejergazetai lyseis, etsi wste na exoyme thn kalyterh dynath apofash olwn.

GIANNISHS: Akoygetai oti yparxei diaqesh na epiblhqei plafon ews 12% sta epitokia twn pistwtikwn kartwn. Yparxei apo thn pleyra ths kybernhshs kapoia tetoia proqesh;

PETALWTHS: Einai ena eidiko metro. Den mporw na sas apanthsw ayth th stigmh. Ekeino omws to opoio mporw na pw, einai oti yparxei boylhsh wste na mpei mia tajh sto daneismo, sthn trapezikh agora kai bebaia kai sta epitokia, opoy krinei h kybernhsh oti den prostateyetai o katanalwths. Ayto einai ena apo ta basika endiaferonta ths kybernhshs. Se ligo qa erqoyn kai nomoi poy qa ejeidikeyoyn ayto to endiaferon kai isws mesa apo aytoys toys nomoys yparjei kapoia idiaiterh ryqmish ws pros ayto.

KOYKLOYMPERHS: Qa epanelqw sto limani. Ti qewreite ws lysh sxetika me th diapragmateysh poy ginetai; Eipate oti qa prokycei lysh. Poia pisteyete oti qa einai h lysh; Kai ena deytero erwthma: Qewreite oti oi dhlwseis kai h stash toy k. Pagkaloy eynooyn to dialogo me thn Aristera;

PETALWTHS: Ws pros to limani: Einai ena qema poy mas talanise, eidika otan yphrxe h apergia. Ws gnwston h apergia jekinhse prin apo thn analhch ths diakybernhshs ths xwras apo to PASOK. Einai ena qema para poly shmantiko gia emas. H lysh qa prokycei mesa apo diapragmateyseis kai mesa apo mia megalh diadikasia, giati kai oi emplekomenoi foreis einai polloi. Ayto poy mporw na sas bebaiwsw, einai oti emas mas endiaferoyn ta ergasiaka dikaiwmata to tonizw, ta ergasiaka dikaiwmata. Kai bebaia, mas endiaferei kai h anaptyjh ths xwras poy exei na kanei me to dhmosio symferon. Ayta einai ta krithria. Ws pros to deytero skelos ths erwthshs sas: Sas eipa kai thn Paraskeyh sthn enhmerwsh poy ekana, oti oi apoceis ths Aristeras mas endiaferoyn. Apo kei kai pera omws, emeis labame thn entolh na kybernhsoyme kai efarmozoyme th dikh mas politikh, epidiwkontas, bebaia, kai eyreies synergasies kai se politiko kai se koinwniko epipedo. Apo kei kai pera, einai qema twn ypoloipwn kommatwn na prosdiorizoyn th stash toys apenanti stis politikes mas kai bebaia kaqe fora qa ejeidikeyoyme kai emeis th stash mas apenanti se ayth thn antimetwpish, eidika apo ta kommata ths Aristeras. Gia na apanthsw kai pio oloklhrwmena: Ekeino to opoio, omws, mas jenizei  as moy epitrapei ayth h ekfrash- poy den qa eprepe na perimenoyme mallon, einai na yparxei ena isxyro antipoliteytiko metwpo apo ta kommata ths Aristeras, protoy akomh prolaboyn na doyn poies ejeidikeymenes politikes qa akoloyqhsoyme se sygkekrimenoys tomeis, gia toys opoioys endiaferetai kai h Aristera.

MAKRYGIANNHS: Ayto to lete gia to KKE h kai gia ton SYRIZA;

PETALWTHS: Gia to KKE kyriws poy exei ena apergiako metwpo, to opoio einai poly eyrytero isws apo ayto poy qa dikaiologoyntan, alla kai gia th stash toy SYRIZA, opoy antipoliteyetai me enan sygkekrimeno tropo.

MAKRYGIANNHS: To KKE blepete oti askei pio sklhrh antipoliteysh sto PASOK ap` oti sthn prohgoymenh kybernhsh ths Neas Dhmokratias;

PETALWTHS: Emeis blepame, ontas antipoliteysh akomh, oti o antipoliteytikos logos toy KKE jekinoyse prwta apo to PASOK kai phgaine sth Nea Dhmokratia. Alla, epanalambanw oti einai qema epiloghs toy kaqe kommatos na askei th dikh toy politikh kai krinetai en telei apo ton ellhniko lao.

MOSXOBAS: O Prwqypoyrgos eipe proxqes oti emeis qa epimeinoyme se ayth thn politikh, se sxesh me thn oikonomia (den akoygetai) para tis opoies antidraseis apo thn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh. Ayto den symballei (den akoygetai) me dedomeno oti pame gia na zhthsoyme.

PETALWTHS: Emeis pame gia na zhthsoyme kai gnwrizoyme oti h Eyrwpaikh Enwsh einai ena pedio diapragmateysewn. Ayto to katanooyme. Apo kei kai pera omws, den mporoyme na apempolhsoyme se ayto to epipedo o,ti desmeyqhkame prin apo tis ekloges kai malista otan gnwrizoyme kai dhlwnoyme oti exoyme sygkekrimenes proteraiothtes. Kai mia apo tis ameses proteraiothtes, an oxi h prwth, einai h anakoyfish toy aploy Ellhna polith, o opoios pragmatika sth sygkekrimenh xronikh sygkyria ypoferei. Ayto exei na kanei oxi mono me politikh epilogh, exei na kanei kai me tis arxes mas kai me thn ideologia mas. Kai pisteyoyme oti sto metro toy dynatoy kai toy prositoy den yparxei asymbatothta anamesa stis dyo epiloges. Diapragmateyomaste me thn E.E., tonizoyme thn ajiopistia mas, giati pisteyoyme oti ekei htan to megalo meionekthma ths Elladas: To elleimma ajiopistias. Apo kei kai pera omws, deixnoyme kai to koinwniko mas proswpo giati se ayto pisteyoyme.

MOSXOBAS: Nai, alla h ypobaqmish...

PETALWTHS: Mesa apo thn ejeidikeysh twn metrwn poy qa akoloyqhsei, etsi;

MOSXOBAS: Thn ypobaqmish ths pistolhptikhs ikanothtas ths xwras mas, opws lene oi egkyroi analytes, qa thn akoloyqhsoyn kai alles. Me ola ayta ta dhmosionomika dedomena poy exoyme kai me aytes tis ejelijeis, pisteyete oti qa exete periqwrio; Kai pws; Apo poy; (Den akoygetai).

PETALWTHS: Sas exw pei polles fores oti einai qema proteraiothtwn poy qetei h kaqe kybernhsh. Apo th stigmh poy proteraiothta mas einai ayth poy anefera prohgoymenws, yparxei tropos sto metro toy dynatoy na eimaste symfwnoi kai me tis dyo epiloges mas: Kai th diapragmateysh, alla kai thn politikh kateyqynsh poy qa akoloyqhsoyme.

PETOYRH: Exoyn oristei kapoies epafes toy Prwqypoyrgoy meqayrio stis Bryjelles, sto plaisio ths prospaqeias na allajei to klima kai na ginoyn kalyteroi oi oroi diapragmateyshs gia thn Aqhna;

PETALWTHS: Yparxei sygkekrimenh politikh kateyqynsh, eidika apo ton Prwqypoyrgo, alla kai apo olh thn kybernhsh wste na mporesoyme na isxyropoihsoyme th qesh mas. Mia qesh poy exei na kanei toso me to oikonomiko epipedo, alla kai me to epipedo ejwterikhs politikhs, giati pisteyoyme oti ola einai allhlendeta. Kai otan isxyropoieitai h qesh ths xwras mas, tote mporoyme kai na diapragmateyomaste kalytera me thn E.E., alla genikws mporoyme na diapragmateyomaste ta symferonta ths Elladas sto ejwteriko.

PETOYRH: Ara, sto periqwrio ths Synodoy qa exei epafes gi` ayto to qema o Prwqypoyrgos.

PETALWTHS: Einai mesa sta endiaferonta poy qa deijei o Prwqypoyrgos.

MOSXOBAS: O Prwqypoyrgos kathggeile apo to bhma ths Boylhs sygkekrimena golden boys, anqrwpoys poy pairnoyn para poly ychles amoibes, opws o Proedros ths ERT. Akoyw oti o k. Panagopoylos ananewse symbolaio kai malista me apozhmiwsh 500.000 eyrw. Qa dwsete tetoia apozhmiwsh; Ti qa kanete;

PETALWTHS: Qa einai mia kentrikh epilogh ths kybernhshs h opoia qa apofasistei kai qa anakoinwqei. Apo kei kai pera omws, na sas pw kai kati allo: Den menoyme mono sto proswpo toy k. Panagopoyloy. Menoyme sto skandalwdes oti kapoios proedros enos organismoy  as moy epitrapei h ekfrash, den milw gia th nomikh proswpikothta- toy eyryteroy dhmosioy tomea plhrwnetai apo to kratos, exei toso skandalwdws yperbolikes amoibes. Emeis ayto to pragma qa to katarghsoyme, ennoeitai.

PETOYRH: Aytoi oi proedroi omws, exoyn symbolaia me nomikes rhtres kai orismenoi ej aytwn, isxyrizontai oti einai poly isxyres aytes oi rhtres. Gia to ypoloipo, loipon, ths qhteias toys, an den exete skopo na toys ta plhrwsete, qa prosfygete sta dikasthria;

PETALWTHS: Den mporw na sas apanthsw ayth th stigmh. Einai mia taktikh h opoia qa fanei.

MAKRYGIANNHS: Qa dwsete kai thn kateyqynsh sthn ERT, wste yperbolika kosth gia paragwges ekpompwn qa einai sto mellon pio metrhmena;

PETALWTHS: Emeis eixame, kai symmeteixa se ayth thn epitroph, kalesei  opws eipa prohgoymenws- ton Proedro ths ERT gia na qesoyme sygkekrimeno zhthma ERT. Oxi mono ws pros to proswpo toy, alla ti ginetai me thn ERT. To kaname proeklogika, to kaname ws antipoliteysh ligoys mhnes prin apo tis ekloges. Kai epeidh akribws kataggeilame, mesa apo sygkekrimenes katastaseis poy ekqesame, oti yparxei mia terastia spatalh dhmosiwn porwn mesa apo thn ERT, boylhsh genikws ths kybernhshs einai na akoloyqhsei mia diaforetikh taktikh sthn ERT. Apo kei kai pera, oi ejeidikeyseis qa fainontai otan apofasizontai kai anakoinwnontai.

MIXAHL: Oi armodiothtes twn Ypoyrgwn, pote qa anakoinwqoyn;

PETALWTHS: Ta Proedrika Diatagmata qa einai etoima se ligo, wste na dhmosieyqoyn.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Shmera;

PETALWTHS: Oxi.

MAKRYGIANNHS: Anejarthtws apo ton Jynidh, pisteyete oti yparxei ``baqy'' PASOK poy mporei na (den akoygetai).

PETALWTHS: Ayta, gia to ``baqy'' PASOK, ta diabazw stis efhmerides.

PETOYRH: Qa hqela na rwthsw gia tis shmerines dhlwseis toy Gkroyefski.

PETALWTHS: To qema qa apanthqei apo to Ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn.

Sas eyxaristw.

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