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Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Deytera, 12 Oktwbrioy 2009

Ariqmos Deltioy: 229270548

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KYBERNHTIKOS EKPROSWPOS

Aqhna, 12 Oktwbrioy 2009

GIWRGO PETALWTH

Kalhmera sas.

Qa hqela na sas kalwsorisw sthn prwth typikh mas synanthsh h mallon, na me kalwsorisete, qa elega, dioti egw eimai o neoeiselqwn se ayto to xwro. Eyxomai na pane ola kala. Na jerete oti qa prospaqhsw ws Kybernhtikos Ekproswpos na exw mazi sas eilikrinh epafh. Qa prospaqhsw na ylopoihsw mia prosith enhmerwsh kai bebaia, mia enhmerwsh me bash thn pragmatikothta. Ayto apaitei th synergasia kai twn dyo pleyrwn kai nomizw oti sthn poreia qa apodeixqei pws qa einai pros ofelos ths enhmerwshs.

Qa hqela protoy jekinhsoyme tis erwthseis, na kanw mia eishghsh kai epeidh einai h prwth fora, na qesw ena plaisio leitoyrgias ths kybernhshs. Apo ekei kai pera, eimai sth diaqesh sas gia otidhpote mporoyme na syzhthsoyme mazi.

Oi Ellhnes polites stis ekloges ths 4hs Oktwbrioy edwsan safh kai isxyrh, opws apodeixqhke, entolh sto PASOK na sxhmatisei kybernhsh, h opoia qa ergastei se sygkekrimenoys ajones:

Prwtos ajonas: H anatroph twn paqogeneiwn sth Dhmosia Dioikhsh kai to kratos, mesw ths diafaneias, ths ajiokratias, ths ajiologhshs kai ths anabaqmishs toy roloy ths Boylhs kai h dhmioyrgia enos neoy politikoy qesmikoy plaisioy.

Deyteros ajonas: Plhrhs kai oysiastikh anabaqmish twn dhmosiwn agaqwn: Ygeia, Paideia, Koinwnikh Pronoia. Kyrio melhma ths kybernhshs einai na oikodomhqei epiteloys mia stereh sxesh empistosynhs toy polith me to kratos ws aparaithth proypoqesh gia thn prowqhsh twn politikwn mas se ola ta qemata. Toso sta qemata ths aplhs kaqhmerinothtas, oso kai sta meizona zhthmata twn qesmwn, poy exoyn omws amesh antanaklash sthn kaqhmerinothta toy polith.

Tritos ajonas: Idiaitero baros ths kybernhshs gia na bgei h xwra apo thn apomonwsh, na bgei h Ellada jana ston kosmo, na apokthsei th qesh poy ths prepei sto eyrwpaiko kai pagkosmio gignesqai. Ejalloy, h analhch toy Ypoyrgeioy Ejwterikwn apo ton idio ton Prwqypoyrgo, shmatodotei ayth thn praktikh kai ayth th qewrhsh. Hdh, exei programmatistei h prwth epishmh episkech toy Prwqypoyrgoy sthn Kypro, stis 19 Oktwbrh opws kai hdh symmeteixe kai me thn idiothta toy ws Ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn sthn Atyph Synanthsh twn Ypoyrgwn Ejwterikwn ths Diabalkanikhs Synergasias, sthn Kwnstantinoypolh, me poly qetika apotelesmata.

Tetartos, basikos, ajonas: H pollh doyleia -as moy epitrapei na xrhsimopoihsw ayth thn aploikh ekfrash- alla me poly megalh barythta kai shmasia gia emas. Doyleia me metriopaqeia, me gnwsh, alla kai entonh apofasistikothta. Hdh, h kybernhsh arxise na doyleyei, prokeimenoy na thrhqoyn oi desmeyseis ths. Apaiteitai synainesh kai koinwnikh kritikh, koinwnikos elegxos.

Ayta qa hqela na qesw ws genikoys politikoys ajones. Apo ekei kai pera, to programma toy Prwqypoyrgoy, to opoio akoloyqei aytes tis hmeres, hdh sas exei gnwstopoihqei me to gnwsto kai palio tropo, ton opoio qa prospaqhsoyme na beltiwsoyme, giati yparxoyn akomh kapoia texnika zhthmata.

To shmerino programma toy Prwqypoyrgoy einai gnwsto. Einai ena programma to opoio mesa apo thn typopoihsh toy kai thn analysh toy, deixnei pragmatika kai tis proteraiothtes mas kai tis politikes poy qeloyme na akoloyqhsoyme ws kybernhsh. Hdh, o Prwqypoyrgos paresth sthn ekdhlwsh gia thn epeteio ths Apeleyqerwshs ths Aqhnas. Stis 12.00, synanthqhke me ton Strop Talmpot gia qemata Paideias kai Diadiktyoy kai me ton armodio Yfypoyrgo k. Panareto, kaqws kai me ton eidiko symboylo k. Karoynh gia qemata Diadiktyoy.

Hdh, ayth th stigmh poy milame, episkeptetai -opws exete enhmerwqei- me ton dieqnoys fhmhs arxitektona kai xwrotakth k. Aqimpigio, tis Olympiakes Egkatastaseis sto Ellhniko kai to Falhro, prokeimenoy na symbolisei thn analhch prwtoboyliwn gia thn apeleyqerwsh xwrwn sthn Aqhna kai kyriws toy paraktioy metwpoy ths Attikhs kai twn Olympiakwn akinhtwn.

To programma ths ebdomadas einai programma sxedon kaqara koinoboyleytiko, afoy koryfwnetai h diadikasia analhchs toy qesmikoy roloy twn boyleytwn, me o,ti synepagetai ayto -kai opws problepetai apo to Syntagma kai toys nomoys- me sygklhsh Koinoboyleytikhs Omadas, me eklogh Proedreioy, Proedroy ths Koinoboyleytikhs Omadas toy PASOK kai me thn orkwmosia twn boyleytwn. Kai meta me th gnwsth, typikh, kata to Syntagma, diadikasia ths syzhthshs twn Programmatikwn Dhlwsewn poy qa koryfwqei me thn chfish toys thn Kyriakh to brady.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

SIDERHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, den jerw an einai parwxhmenh h erwthsh moy, alla den eixa th dynatothta na rwthsw pio nwris. Oi prwhn symboyloi toy neoy Prwqypoyrgoy einai profanws lampra myala, an krinei kaneis apo ta lampra biografika toys. Wstoso, o laos megaqymws edwse ston k. Papandreoy 160 boyleytes. Den einai katastrathghsh toy pneymatos ths Koinoboyleytikhs Dhmokratias na pairnei toys symboyloys toy, polloys malista, na toys bazei ypoyrgoys kai na afhnei ektos, toys eklegmenoys ekproswpoys toy laoy; Kai se poion qa dinoyn logariasmo oi neoi ypoyrgoi; Ston Prwqypoyrgo poy toys ebale h stoys chfoforoys poy den toys chfisan, poy den exoyn dikoys toys chfoforoys;

PETALWTHS: O orismos toy kybernhtikoy sxhmatos einai eyqynh toy Prwqypoyrgoy kai toylaxiston se ayth th fash, opoy pragmatika me ena poly megalo pososto o ellhnikos laos timhse to Panellhnio Sosialistiko Kinhma na kybernhsei th xwra, edwse sygxronws kai ena poly bary fortio. Synepws, h epilogh egine me kaqara krithria gia to poios mporei na doylecei kalytera, prokeimenoy na timhsoyme ayth thn entolh. Nomizw oti yparxei tetoia analogia boyleytwn mesa sthn kybernhsh poy den dhmioyrgei kanena zhthma.

SWKOS: Ston Typo, sthn ``Eleyqerotypia'' shmera dhmosieyetai h gnwmodothsh toy Nomikoy Symboylioy toy Kratoys gia to Batopedio. Ekei shmeiwnetai me emfash oti to ellhniko Dhmosio, opws ekfrazotan apo thn prohgoymenh kybernhsh, den proebh se kamia kinhsh gia thn epanakthsh twn paraxwrhqentwn sth Monh Batopedioy akinhtwn. Taytoxrona, proteinontai kai treis sygkekrimenoi tropo, systhnontai malista, treis sygkekrimenoi tropoi dia twn opoiwn to Dhmosio mporei na diekdikhsei thn epanakthsh twn akinhtwn. To erwthma moy einai: H shmerinh kybernhsh qa proxwrhsei se kapoies energeies pros ayth thn kateyqynsh; Kai to deytero: Qa dhlwsei parastash politikhs agwghs;

PETALWTHS: Na sas pw edw kai qa apantoysa, symplhrwnontas thn erwthsh sas me to deytero zhthma poy qesate, giati ej oswn gnwrizw, den yparxei akomh parastash politikhs agwghs. Den exei dhlwqei, prokeimenoy to ellhniko Dhmosio na nomimopoieitai gia na parastei sthn poinikh diadikasia. Einai gnwsto to endiaferon poy edeije h shmerinh kybernhsh gia to megalo skandalo toy Batopedioy. Ena qema to opoio den mas aggizei ws ena aplo skandalo, alla ws ena zhthma opoy ena megalo meros ths perioysias toy ellhnikoy Dhmosioy perase se ypotiqemenoys idiokthtes, stoys opoioys den anhke. Synepws, qa lhfqoyn ola ekeina ta metra ta opoia qa diasfalizoyn thn epanakthsh ths dhmosias perioysias apo anqrwpoys stoys opoioys den toys anhkei.

MIXAHL: Kyrie Ekproswpe, symplhrwmatika sto idio: Otan jespase to skandalo, tote osoi eixate asxolhqei me thn Ejetastikh Epitroph kai o k. Benizelos, pio sygkekrimena, eixe kanei thn ejhs protash, na kratikopoihqoyn oles aytes oi ektaseis, oi amfisbhtoymenes, kai apo ekei kai pera opoiesdhpote aitiaseis yparxoyn h mh, na lyqoyn mesw twn dikasthriwn, ean kai efoson krinoyn ta dikasthria. Ayto mporoyse na ginei kai to eixe systhsei tote ston k. Alogoskoyfh, me mia poly aplh tropologia. Skefteste me thn enarjh toy nomoqetikoy ergoy na kanete kapoia tetoia kinhsh kai apo ekei kai pera, olh h diadikasia na proxwrhsei mesw ths Dikaiosynhs;

PETALWTHS: Aytes einai leptomereies kai den eimai se qesh na sas apanthsw ayth th stigmh, giati katalabainete oti me olh ayth thn ypoqesh exoyn dhmioyrghqei polla nomika zhthmata. Emeis, sto plaisio ths nomimothtas kai me tetoio tropo wste na mhn mporei na akyrwqei kamia energeia toy Dhmosioy, qa frontisoyme wste to Dhmosio na epanakthsei thn perioysia toy.

KOYTRAS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, exei kapoio sxolio h kybernhsh gia ta osa symbainoyn sth Nea Dhmokratia;

PETALWTHS: Nomizw oti qa htan akomco shmera na milhsoyme gia ta eswterika ths Neas Dhmokratias. Ejalloy, nomizw oti h poreia qa deijei ti ginetai se ayto to komma. Kai bebaia, mas endiaferei h leitoyrgia twn kommatwn mesa sto plaisio ths dhmokratikhs nomimothtas.

MOSXOBAS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, skefteste na kinhsete dikastikes diadikasies sta osa brhkan oi ypoyrgoi sta ypoyrgeia toys, opws o k. Pagkalos yposthrije se prwinh ekpomph xqes, sto ``Mega Sabbatokyriako'', me ton Iordanh Xasapopoylo, yphrjan poinika kolasimes prajeis. Qa kinhqeite dikastika; Profanws, me anwqen entolh, opws eipe. Ti qa kanete;

PETALWTHS: H paradosh-paralabh htan ena shmeio tribhs. Eginan yper toy deontos sxoliasmoi ep` aytoy. Egw eipa kati prin apo dyo-treis hmeres, to opoio epanalambanw: As koitajoyme perissotero thn oysia. Apo edw kai pera, proxwrame.

POLYMEROS: Na epistrecw sthn prohgoymenh erwthsh synadelfoy gia to eswkommatika problhmata ths Neas Dhmokratias. Pisteyete oti to PASOK qa xalarwsei twra; Pisteyete oti h kybernhsh qa exei mia kinhsh pio xalarh, apo th stigmh poy jerei oti den qa exei mia ajiwmatikh antipoliteysh etsi opws qa thn hqele.

PETALWTHS: O rolos ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs einai sobarotatos. O rolos, omws, ths kybernhshs einai akomh pio sobaros kai malista mias kybernhshs poy brisketai sthn ekkinhsh. Hdh, nomizw oti apodeiknyoyme kaqhmerina kai einai megalo stoixhma -oxi mono apo ton ellhniko lao, alla kai emeis sthn kybernhsh, to bazoyme- na jekinhsoyme gia na mporoyme na ylopoihsoyme kai na efarmosoyme tis politikes mas.

GIANNISHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, to elleimma ap` o,ti fainetai fqanei sto 12% kai anebainei. Qewreite oti toso o k. Probopoylos oso kai h prohgoymenh kybernhsh apekrycan kati apo thn tote ajiwmatikh antipoliteysh kai shmera h kybernhsh sxetika me thn pragmatikh katastash ths oikonomias;

PETALWTHS: H enhmerwsh poy exoyme kai emeis gia thn tash toy tameiakoy elleimmatos na fqasei sto 12%, proerxetai apo ton idio ton k. Probopoylo, me ton opoio yparxei aristh kai acogh synergasia. Apo kei kai pera, emeis akomh apotypwnoyme thn pragmatikothta gia na dromologhsoyme kai tis politikes ths oikonomias mas, ep` ayths.

KALARYTHS: Mia dieykrinish. Eipate oti o Prwqypoyrgos synanthqhke me ton k. Talmpot gia qemata Paideias kai Diadiktyoy;

PETALWTHS: Nai.

KALARYTHS: Me poia idiothta exei erqei o k. Talmpot ep` aytoy toy zhthmatos; Gi` ayto rwtaw.

PETALWTHS: O k. Talmpot einai mia dieqnhs proswpikothta. Einai Proedros toy Institoytoy Mproykingks kai me ayth thn idiothta synantatai me ton k. Prwqypoyrgo.

KALARYTHS: Wraia. Hqela na rwthsw, se sxesh me to neo eklogiko nomo poy prowqei h kybernhsh, h synenwsh twn Dhmwn, ``Kapodistrias II'' kai h meiwsh kai sygxwneysh twn Perifereiwn qa ginoyn kai qa proxwrhsoyn prokeimenoy na efarmostei o eklogikos nomos prin apo tis dhmotikes ekloges toy 2010, gia na ginoyn oi dhmotikes ekloges me th nea dioikhtikh diarqrwsh ths xwras;

PETALWTHS: O eklogikos nomos einai ena ergaleio, etsi wste h laikh entolh na apotypwnetai me ton kalytero kai pio dhmokratiko tropo kai meta tis programmatikes dhlwseis oi opoies qa akoloyqhsoyn, aytes tis hmeres, qa yparxei eykairia na sxoliasoyme kai tis leptomereies.

PETOYRH: Qa hqela na sas rwthsw, an sto plaisio ths ameshs ylopoihshs twn desmeysewn sas, thn opoia diakhryttete, eystaqei prwtoselido apogeymatinhs efhmeridas poy milaei gia thn katarghsh toy nomoy Petralia se o,ti afora ta oria ths syntajiodothshs. Einai mesa stis proqeseis sas; To exete ejetasei hdh ayto; To exete apofasisei;

PETALWTHS: Exw ypoch moy to prwtoselido ths efhmeridas, alla nomizw oti qa prepei na perimenoyme tis programmatikes dhlwseis. Ayto poy mporw na pw me sigoyria -ayto den einai ypekfygh- einai oti isxyoyn oi proeklogikes mas desmeyseis kai h kateyqynsh thn opoia exoyme ws kybernhsh, prokeimenoy na exoyme ena pio dikaio asfalistiko koinwniko systhma.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, askhqhke kapoia kritikh, yphrjan kapoies epifylajeis gia to gegonos oti to prwto tajidi toy Prwqypoyrgoy, estw kai atypo, estw kai me thn idiothta toy Ypoyrgoy Ejwterikwn, egine sthn Toyrkia. Gnwrizoyme anepishmws oti eixan prohghqei epikoinwnies me ton Proedro ths Kypriakhs Dhmokratias k. Xristofia. Qa hqela na mas peite, an meta to tajidi yphrje nea epikoinwnia toy k. Papandreoy me ton k. Xristofia kai an yphrje enhmerwsh gia ta apotelesmata twn oswn eginan sthn Kwnstantinoypolh.

PETALWTHS: H kritikh h opoia askhqhke, nomizw apanthqhke me to apotelesma ths synanthshs. Aplws, ayth h atyph synanthsh filojenoyntan sthn Kwnstantinoypolh. Eprepe na metabei o Prwqypoyrgos ekei, sto plaisio ths isxyropoihshs toy kyroys ths Elladas. Yphrxe kai synennohsh me ton k. Xristofia. Nomizw oti stis 19 Oktwbrioy poy qa brisketai o Prwqypoyrgos sth Leykwsia den qa yparxei kanena zhthma. Antiqetws, h isxyropoihsh ths Elladas bohqaei thn Kypro kai to kypriako problhma.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Nea epikoinwnia den yphrje dhladh, meta to tajidi;

PETALWTHS: Ap` oso gnwrizw, oxi.

GARGALAKOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, exete jekinhsei thn kainotomia ayth na epilejete toys Genikoys Grammateis twn Ypoyrgeiwn, mesa apo to diadiktyo, me diafores aithseis poy qa ypobaloyn oi endiaferomenoi. Kai hdh ap` o,ti plhroforoymai exei mazeytei enas sebastos ariqmos endiaferomenwn. Epeidh, omws, akoysa enan problhmatismo apo kapoia empeira kybernhtika stelexh, oti oi qeseis twn Genikwn Grammatewn, lene, einai politikes qeseis kai apaitoyn pera apo politikh eparkeia kai dioikhtikh eparkeia kai oxi apla merika kala biografika stoixeia. Pws qa kalycete to keno ayto stis epiloges poy qa kanete, efoson den qa jerete oyte th dioikhtikh eparkeia toy anqrwpoy poy qa epilejete gia Geniko Grammatea, oyte thn politikh toy eparkeia.

PETALWTHS: Ayto einai ena eylogo erwthma, to opoio omws syzhthqhke arketa tis teleytaies hmeres. Ayto poy exw na sas pw, einai oti den milame gia ena diagwnismo ASEP me krithria ASEP. Milame gia mia prosklhsh ekdhlwshs endiaferontos. Qa synektimhqoyn mesa apo mia eswterikh diadikasia oles ekeines oi parametroi, etsi wste oi Genikoi kai Eidikoi Grammateis twn Ypoyrgeiwn, alla kai oi Genikoi Grammateis twn Perifereiwn, na einai ikanotata stelexh gia na askhsoyn pragmatika ta kaqhkonta toys, ta opoia bebaia, ontws feroyn kai politikh eyqynh.

ANTYPAS: Mia dieykrinish kai mia erwthsh kyrie Ekproswpe. Arxika h dieykrinish, giati den htan h k. Diamantopoyloy sth synanthsh me ton k. Talmpot;

PETALWTHS: H k. Diamantopoyloy einai Ypoyrgos kai to ergo katamerizetai anamesa stoys Ypoyrgoys kai stoys Yfypoyrgoys.

ANTYPAS: Kai h erwthsh: Qa afhsete ton anwtato forologiko syntelesth;

PETALWTHS: Deite prwta tis programmatikes dhlwseis kai qa yparxei kai mia peraiterw analysh apo edw kai pera.

ANTYPAS: Sas erwtw, an moy epitrepete, giati htan stis proeklogikes desmeyseis toy PASOK, oti den qa anebei kai den akoyw ayth th desmeysh na epanalambanetai.

PETALWTHS: Oi desmeyseis mas isxyoyn.

XASAPOPOYLOS: Exete enan ariqmo poy exoyn fqasei oi aithseis poy exoyn katateqei sto diadiktyo gi` ayta ta stelexh ta opoia qa epilegoyn telos pantwn kai mexri pote na perimenoyme (den akoygetai). Yparxei kapoia hmeromhnia lhjhs;

PETALWTHS: Oi aithseis einai para polles. Akribh ariqmo qa mporw na sas dwsw ayrio poy oloklhrwnetai h diadikasia ths ypobolhs twn aithsewn. Yparxei h boylhsh na oloklhrwqei h epilogh to syntomotero dynato, mesa stis epomenes hmeres, giati ta Ypoyrgeia xreiazontai toys Genikoys Grammateis toys, opws kai oi Perifereies.

BITALHS: Qa hqela na rwthsw to ejhs: Diabasame kai eidame oti gia to 2008 kai gia to 2009 qa plhrwsoyn ETAK, osoi prepei na plhrwsoyn. To erwthma moy einai: Isxyei h proeklogikh desmeysh toy PASOK oti qa katarghqei to ETAK kai qa antikatastaqei me allo nomo, opws eixe pei o k. Prwqypoyrgos ws arxhgos ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs, gia th forologia ths megalhs akinhths perioysias. Isxyei ayth h desmeysh kai pote qa proxwrhsei;

PETALWTHS: H desmeysh isxyei. Qa yparjei kai nomoqetikh prwtoboylia ep` aytoy, giati exoyme desmeytei oti qa katarghsoyme to ETAK kai qa to antikatasthsoyme me ton foro Megalhs Akinhths Perioysias, beltiwmeno fysika.

NANOS: Exei kaqoristei h amoibh toy Ispanoy arxitektona k. Aqimpigio; Jeroyme to ycos twn apolabwn toy; Poios qa einai o pragmatikos toy rolos;

PETALWTHS: O k. Aqimpigio den exei analabei kapoio rolo kai synepws den yparxei qema amoibhs toy. H synanthsh me dieqneis proswpikothtes, poy einai poly kaloi gnwstes enos antikeimenoy, deixnei akribws thn eyrythta me thn opoia skeptetai h ellhnikh kybernhsh.

QEODWROPOYLOS: Milhsate gia aristh kai acogh synergasia metajy ths kybernhshs kai toy k. Probopoyloy. Ayth h synergasia egkeitai kai sto gegonos oti symfwneite me tis qeseis kai tis protaseis, poy kata kairoys exei diatypwsei h Trapeza ths Ellados kai o idios o k. Probopoylos gia thn ellhnikh oikonomia kai thn ejodo apo thn krish;

PETALWTHS: Yparxei diakrith qesh ths kybernhshs kai diakrith qesh toy dioikhth ths Trapezas ths Ellados.

SIDERHS: Sto limani toy Peiraia exei epelqei emfragma pleon. Katarxas, niwqete oti ki eseis symbalate se ayth th stash twn syndikalistwn me tis qeseis poy eixate proeklogika; Kai deyteron, ti prokeitai na kanete amesa gia na arqei ayto, giati ekeinoi poy to plhrwnoyn perissotero einai oi mikromesaioi epaggelmaties, oi mikromesaioi emporoi poy pleon den exoyn ylika kai den exoyn na poylhsoyn kai exoyn megalo oikonomiko problhma.

PETALWTHS: Qa symfwnhsw oti einai terastio to problhma to opoio dhmioyrgeitai sto limani toy Peiraia. Den nomizw oti mporei na qewrhqei logiko oti symbalame emeis. Emeis, th monh symbolh poy mporoyme na exoyme sto sygkekrimeno zhthma einai na epilysoyme ayth th diafora me ton kalytero tropo. H qesh mas einai gnwsth, kai prin tis ekloges, gia prospaqeia epanadiapragmateyshs me thn etaireia poy exei analabei. Nomizw oti to apotelesma qa deijei oti h symbolh mas qa einai qetikh gia thn agora kai fysika gia toys ergazomenoys.

LAGOY: Proeklogika to PASOK eixe pei oti ws kybernhsh qa proxwrhsei se katagrafh toy ti paralambanei, toy tameioy, kai o idios o Proedros, tote, mas eixe enhmerwsei pws ayth h katagrafh qa ginei apo thn Trapeza ths Ellados. Exoyme safes xronodiagramma gia to pote qa prepei na perimenoyme ayth thn katagrafh, na doqei sto synolo ths; Hdh jeroyme stoixeia gia dhmosio xreos kai elleimma, alla profanws yparxoyn kai alloi parametroi na symplhrwsoyn th synolikh eikona.

PETALWTHS: Eimaste sth diadikasia ths apotimhshs ths pragmatikothtas, etsi wste na lhfqoyn kai ta analoga metra. Qa xrhsimopoihqei kai kaqe ergaleio, as moy epitrapei h ekfrash, prokeimenoy na apotypwqei plhrws h pragmatikothta. Apo kei kai pera, qa akoloyqhsei h nomoqetikh prwtoboylia gia thn epilysh twn zhthmatwn ta opoia hdh yparxoyn.

SWKOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, exei anoijei h diadikasia ekdoshs entokwn grammatiwn toy Dhmosioy, ajias 1,6 dis eyrw. Sthn oysia exei anoijei h diadikasia neoy daneismoy. Exei ypologisei h kybernhsh se poio ycos qa proxwrhsei (den akoygetai) daneismo to epomeno diasthma; Posa xrhmata xreiazetai gia na daneistei; Hdh to xreos me ayth th diadikasia eixe ftasei ta 57 dis to trexon etos.

PETALWTHS: Se ayth th fash, nomizw oti den qa mporoysame na milhsoyme akribws gia tetoioys oroys daneismoy giati einai akairo.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Sto peripoy eipate (den akoygetai).

PETALWTHS: Oyte sto peripoy.

KALARYTHS: H prohgoymenh kybernhsh ektimoyse to elleimma gyrw sto 6% - 6,5%. Apo tote poy egine allagh kybernhshs, o k. Probopoylos den eixe diaceysei tis tote ektimhseis. Apo tote poy allaje h kybernhsh, blepoyme oti h Trapeza ths Ellados anaferei pros ta epanw tis ektimhseis gia to elleimma kai exoyn ftasei to 8%, 10%, 12%. Stis epafes poy eixate me ton k. Probopoylo prin tis ekloges, sas epibebaiwne tis ektimhseis, ta stoixeia ths kybernhshs tote, giati einai periergo h kybernhsh na ektima 6%, h Trapeza ths Ellados na to diaceydei kai jafnika na phgainei sto 12% to elleimma.

PETALWTHS: Htan mia typikh epafh ths kybernhshs me ton k. Probopoylo. Nomizw oti qa prepei na meinoyme se ayto, prokeimenoy na sebastoyme to rolo kai to qesmo ths Trapezas ths Ellados me ton opoio -sas eipa kai prohgoymenws- yparxei acogh synergasia, prokeimenoy na perioristoyn ayta ta elleimmata.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Poia einai h qesh ths kybernhshs gia ta aithmata twn limenergatwn sto limani toy Peiraia;

PETALWTHS: Emas mas endiaferei -opws sas eipa kai prohgoymenws- na stamathsei to megalo problhma poy exei dhmioyrghqei, me sebasmo sta ergasiaka dikaiwmata kai bebaia me sebasmo sth dynamikh ths agoras.

PIKOYLAS: Yparxoyn kapoies fhmes sthn agora, oti h kybernhsh proxwra se mia sygxwneysh toy Taxydromikoy Tamieythrioy kai ths Agrotikhs Trapezas. Yparxei mia epishmh qesh; Kai na epishmanw oti shmera sto Xrhmatisthrio aytes oi dyo metoxes exoyn anebei para poly.

PETALWTHS: Oxi. Epishmh qesh den qa mporoyse na yparxei. Oi fhmes einai fhmes kai oi qeseis einai qeseis, otan yparxoyn.

KROYSTALLH: Dyo dieykriniseis qa hqela. Sto diagwnismo gia toys Genikoys Grammateis, efoson qa yparxei mia eswterikh diadikasia epiloghs, pws qa diasfalistei h diafaneia; Kai deyteron, sto qema me to limani toy Peiraia, pros poia kateyqynsh qa ginei h diapragmateysh th stigmh poy jeroyme oti o ekproswpos ths kinezikhs etaireias arneitai na allajei toys oroys ths symbashs;

PETALWTHS: Sto prwto erwthma poy qesate: Einai safes oti h diafaneia yparxei, efoson yparxei anarthsh sto diadiktyo. Ws pros to apotelesma diafaneias: Sas eipa oti qa kriqei olh h diadikasia ek toy apotelesmatos ths epiloghs, stis qeseis aytes, twn proswpwn poy qa epilegoyn. Deyteron, se mia epanadiapragmateysh yparxoyn polla zhthmata, polloi oroi, poy qa teqoyn efoson jekinhsei ayth h diadikasia. Pantws, as mh jexname oti to kratos einai o isxyroteros mhxanismos kai kata thn apoch moy einai se qesh na diapragmateyetai.

GARGALAKOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, na sas kanw mia pio eidikh erwthsh poy sas afora kiolas. Yparxei to ejhs zhthma: Mexri protinos oi dyo Genikes Grammateies Typoy, h ERT, to APE kai akomh kai to Radiothleoptiko Symboylio briskontan katw apo thn epopteia enos kybernhtikoy paragonta, eite htan aytos Ypoyrgos Epikrateias, eite htan palaiotera Ypoyrgos Typoy klp. Ayth th stigmh yparxei ena dedomeno sxetika me ayto to xwro; Giati akoygontai polla gia polykermatismo aytoy toy xwroy, alloy qa paei h ERT, alloy oi Grammateies, alloy to ena, alloy to allo. Ta exete jekaqarisei ayta; Kai poies einai oi dikes sas armodiothtes ektos apo thn enhmerwsh toy Kybernhtikoy Ekproswpoy;

PETALWTHS: Opws gnwrizete, ta Proedrika Diatagmata einai akomh ypo epejergasia, prokeimenoy na kaqoristoyn oi armodiothtes anamesa sta Ypoyrgeia, stoys Ypoyrgoys kai stoys Yfypoyrgoys. Synepws, se ligo xroniko diasthma opoy qa oloklhrwqei h diadikasia dhmosieyshs twn Proedrikwn Diatagmatwn, qa lyqei kai h opoia amfibolia h amfisbhthsh yparxei.

LAGOY: Qa metaferw anafora  rhsh Ypoyrgoy ths neas kybernhshs. Eipe xarakthristika oti akomh briskomaste se periodo melitos. Perimenoyme th lhjh toy amesws meta thn anagnwsh twn programmatikwn dhlwsewn.

PETALWTHS: Emeis pantws, briskomaste se fash doyleias. Ayth einai h alhqeia, ayth einai h pragmatikothta kai ayth sas metaferw. Aplws otan doyleyei kapoios, yparxoyn polles faseis. Kai sth fash ayth doyleyei h kybernhsh sthn kateyqynsh ths kalyterhs epejergasias twn programmatikwn dhlwsewn. Na einai oso to dynaton pio sygkekrimenes kai safeis kai apo kei kai pera, me toys gnwstoys tropoys, na arxisei h ejeidikeysh toys.

PETOYRH: Dhmioyrgeitai h entypwsh oti oso to topio sth Nea Dhmokratia einai ligo emfyliopolemiko, h anoxh ths koinwnias apenanti sthn kybernhsh parateinetai. Ayto to lambanete ypoch sas stoys politikoys sas sxediasmoys;

PETALWTHS: Sto sxediasmo mas, eidika sthn ekkinhsh ths kybernhtikhs qhteias, exoyme na laboyme ypoch mas polla zhthmata, ta opoia twra arxizoyn na jekinoyn. Apo kei kai pera, antilambanomaste kai emeis oxi oti o kosmos deixnei mia anoxh sthn kybernhsh giati h Nea Dhmokratia exei ta eswkommatika ths problhmata, alla giati o kosmos pragmatika elpizei kai aisiodojei.

SOYRMELIDHS: Qa hqela na sas rwthsw: Epeidh h epanadiapragmateysh gia to limani einai kati poy paei se xrono, h kybernhsh qa parei metra wste na leitoyrghsei amesa to limani;

PETALWTHS: Bebaiws. Eimaste pros ayth thn kateyqynsh kai elpizw syntoma na mporesoyme na exoyme aisiodoja mhnymata ws pros ayto.

SOYRMELIDHS: Kai mia deyterh pali se sxesh peripoy me ayto. Pws blepete oti krinoyn ap` ejw th qesh ths xwras, th qesh ths neas kybernhshs otan se dyo terasties, megalhs shmasias dieqneis symbaseis, sthn energeia kai to limani, yparxei proqesh gia epanadiapragmateysh.

PETALWTHS: To pws krinoyn ap` ejw, to plhroforoymaste kai enhmerwnomaste oloi, analoga me to pws diabazei kapoios ton jeno Typo kai pws antilambanetai th dieqnh koinh gnwmh. Emeis blepoyme oti yparxei mia qetikh stash. Kai ayth prospaqoyme na tonisoyme me oles tis prwtoboylies poy pairnei h kybernhsh ws pros thn isxyropoihsh toy kyroys ths, giati to dieqnes kyros ths xwras exei amesh sxesh kai me thn eswterikh mas zwh.

BASILOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, epeidh askhsate poly entonh kritikh sthn prohgoymenh kybernhsh gia tis amoibes twn stelexwn ths se polles kratikes qeseis kai epeidh jekinhsate th diadikasia na breite Genikoys Grammateis kai gia tis Perifereies kai gia tis alles qeseis toy Dhmosioy, exete apofasisei sygkekrimena na mas peite poios einai o misqos aytwn twn anqrwpwn kai genikotera poio einai to plafon panw apo to opoio den mporoyn na anebainoyn;

PETALWTHS: O misqos twn Genikwn Grammatewn; Oxi. Pisteyw oti proexei -giati yparxei proteraiothta, amesh anagkh analhchs twn kaqhkontwn- na broyme toys Genikoys Grammateis kai ta proswpa gia ta opoia exoyme dhmosiopoihsei thn ekdhlwsh endiaferontos. Kai apo kei kai pera, qa ta doyme ola. Giati sas eipa kai prohgoymenws, qa prospaqhsoyme oi proeklogikes mas desmeyseis na thrhqoyn sto akeraio kai aytes oi ekatontades epitropes oi opoies dhmioyrghqhkan kai systaqhkan qa prepei na katarghqoyn.

PITTARAS: Gia antipalo sas poion qa qelate; Th Ntora Mpakogiannh, ton Antwnh Samara h ton Dhmhtrh Abramopoylo;

PETALWTHS: Einai mia erwthsh sthn opoia den mporw na apanthsw ayth th stigmh, giati den yparxei kai oysia. Sas eipa prohgoymenws oti mas endiaferei na leitoyrgei o qesmikos rolos twn kommatwn etsi opws problepetai apo to Syntagma. Einai qesmoi dhmokratikoi kai qa prepei na leitoyrgoyn me ton kalytero tropo.

SOFIANOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, milhsate gia thn endynamwsh toy kyroys ths Ellados sto ejwteriko. Yparxoyn kapoioi ``stratiwtes'', oi Ellhnes toy ejwterikoy. Proeklogika o Proedros toy PASOK desmeythke na ajiopoihsei ton Ellhnismo ths diasporas. Poia qa einai apo edw kai pera h qesh ths kybernhshs kai ti qa ginei telika me thn chfo;

PETALWTHS: Me thn chfo ton omogenwn qelete na peite. Edw yparxei ena zhthma, to opoio to antimetwpisame otan eimaste antipoliteysh. Emeis qeloyme -kai qa apotypwqei kai ston eklogiko nomo- oi sympatriwtes mas omogeneis na ekfrazontai me ton kalytero kai ameso tropo kai kyriws na ekproswpoyntai sto Koinoboylio opws toys armozei. Oson afora sto prwto sas erwthma, yphrxe pragmatika kai ws antipoliteysh apo to PASOK, mia anhsyxia gia to ti ginetai me toys Ellhnes toy ejwterikoy, aytoys poy qa mporoysan na einai xrhsimoi edw sth xwra mas. Nomizw oti qa lhfqei mia prwtoboylia, qa fanei sto mellon, etsi wste na ginoyme ws xwra pio elkystikh gia na erxontai oi Ellhnes na diaprepoyn sthn Ellada kai oxi sto ejwteriko.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: An moy epitrepete, mia dieykrinistikh erwthsh. Exete mia eikona an yparxoyn aithseis apo to ejwteriko, apo Ellhnes ths diasporas gia tis qeseis twn Genikwn Grammatewn;

PETALWTHS: Qa mporw na sas pw ayrio.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: O neos Ypoyrgos Prostasias toy Polith dhlwse oti o sebasmos twn anqrwpinwn dikaiwmatwn einai proteraiothta ths kybernhshs. Wstoso yparxoyn arketes kataggelies politwn kai gia tis astynomikes epixeirhseis, alla kai gia tis qeseis ths Astynomias. Mporeite na mas peite se ti egkeitai h diafora politikwn ths kybernhshs sas apo tis praktikes ths prohgoymenhs kai th symperifora toy k. Markogiannakh, toy prohgoymenoy Ypoyrgoy;

PETALWTHS: H symperifora ths Astynomias elegxetai kai apo th fysikh ths hgesia kai apo thn politikh ths hgesia. Ekei pragmatika nomizw oti qa deite diafora sto mellon. Apo kei kai pera, qa prepei na katanohsoyme oloi oti h prostasia twn anqrwpinwn dikaiwmatwn, poy fysika apotelei proteraiothta, qa prepei na syndyazetai me thn asfaleia toy Ellhna polith.

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: Paremferes erwthma. To brady ths Pempths opoy ekdhlwqhkan aytes oi epixeirhseis ths Astynomias, sthn Omonoia den yphrxe oyte gata, oyte skylos, oyte anqrwpos, oyte tipota, se antiqesh me ola ta prohgoymena bradia. Qa mporoysate na mas peite poy phgan oloi aytoi;

PETALWTHS: Einai poly eidikh erwthsh kai fysika den mporw na sas apanthsw.

Sas eyxaristw.

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