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Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Pempth, 30 Ioylioy 2009

Ariqmos Deltioy: 216085136

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O KYBERNHTIKOS EKPROSWPOS

Aqhna, 30 Ioylioy 2009

EYAGGELO ANTWNARO

Kalhmera sas.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

POLYMEROS: Ektima h kybernhsh oti oi diafwnies koryfhs, me aformh thn eklogh toy Proedroy ths Dhmokratias, poy jespasan sto PASOK qa ephreasoyn thn telikh grammh toy kommatos ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs;

ANTWNAROS: Den sxoliazw eswterikes diergasies h eswterikes syzhthseis poy ginontai h metaferontai apo ton Typo oti ginontai sto eswteriko allwn kommatwn. Na meinw se ena qema: Shmasia exei na ginetai apolyta sebasto to Syntagma kai sto gramma toy kai sto pneyma toy. Kai kaneis den dikaioytai na paizei paixnidia me toys qesmoys. Me kanena qesmo, poly perissotero me ton koryfaio politeiako qesmo ths xwras mas.

SANTAMOYRHS: H kybernhsh epibebaiwnei ta dhmosieymata gia th syllhch moysoylmanoy, o opoios fwtografize kai egxeirize fwtografies apo stratiwtikes egkatastaseis se Toyrkoys praktores;

ANTWNAROS: Den exw sxetikes plhrofories. Parakalw na apeyqynqeite sto armodio Ypoyrgeio, stis armodies Arxes.

FANIDHS: Sto idio qema k. Ekproswpe. Den yparxei, dhladh, mia ajiologhsh apo esas, mia plhroforhsh; Giati exei dei to fws ths dhmosiothtas ayth h istoria. Antilambaneste oti qewreitai sobarh ayth h ypoqesh kataskopias sth Qrakh.

ANTWNAROS: O,ti eixa na pw, to eipa.

KAKALHS: Epibebaiwnete tis plhrofories oti o Prwqypoyrgos qa episkefqei thn Oyasigkton, to fqinopwro, gia na parabreqei sth symfwnia gia thn katarghsh ths bizas;

ANTWNAROS: Einai gnwsto oti kata thn prosfath dimerh synanthsh poy egine sto Strasboyrgo, prin apo merikes ebdomades, kata th Synodo Koryfhs twn xwrwn toy NATO, apeyqynqhke prosklhsh toy Amerikanoy Proedroy Mparak Ompama pros ton Prwqypoyrgo Kwsta Karamanlh. Opws gnwrizete, se kaqe tetoia periptwsh, otan yparxei mia prosklhsh, h opoia en prokeimenw egine apodekth, syzhtoyntai dia ths diplwmatikhs odoy oi leptomereies gia thn pragmatopoihsh ths episkechs. Se ayto to stadio briskomaste. Den exw, dhladh, na prosqesw kati parapanw peran aytoy. Einai gnwsth h prosklhsh. Einai gnwsth h apodoxh ths prosklhshs. Einai gnwsto oti ginontai proetoimasies, panta se aytes tis periptwseis, prokeimenoy na pragmatopoihqei h episkech.

KAKALHS: Moy epitrepete symplhrwmatika; Ta dwra poy qa koybala o Prwqypoyrgos sthn Oyasigkton einai ta prwtokolla poy ypegrace prosfata h k. Mpakogiannh, sthn Kerkyra, kai paramenoyn mystika, me ta opoia ekxwroyntai ta proswpika dedomena twn Ellhnwn stis diwktikes Arxes twn HPA kai h anabaqmismenh symfwnia gia th bash ths Soydas; Ayta einai ta dwra poy qa proskomisei o Prwqypoyrgos sthn Oyasigkton;

ANTWNAROS: Gia ola ayta ta qemata, exei topoqethqei, me krystallines leptomereies, h k. Mpakogiannh ekeino to diasthma sto opoio anaferqhkate, dhladh sthn Kerkyra. Den exw na prosqesw kati allo. H synergasia metajy twn dyo xwrwn ginetai panta sto plaisio toy sebasmoy olwn twn dieqnwn symbasewn, oi opoies yparxoyn. Einai gnwsto oti h xwra mas sebetai apolyta kai ta anqrwpina dikaiwmata kai tis atomikes eleyqeries.

SANTAMOYRHS: Kata thn periodo kata thn opoia o Prwqypoyrgos qa breqei stis Hnwmenes Politeies, yparxei qema synanthshs toy me alloys hgetes ths perioxhs, me Eyrwpaioys, dieqnwn organismwn;

ANTWNAROS: Syzhtate gia kati to opoio, opws sas eipa, einai antikeimeno diplwmatikwn dieyqethsewn ayth th stigmh. Den yparxei kati allo na prosqesw, pera apo ayta poy sas eipa.

SANTAMOYRHS: Ayth th stigmh yparxoyn diplwmatikes diergasies, wste na katalhjoyme se dieyqethseis gia epafes ychloy epipedoy toy Prwqypoyrgoy stis Hnwmenes Politeies;

ANTWNAROS: Den katalabainw ti qelete na peite ``stis Hnwmenes Politeies''. O Prwqypoyrgos, otan ginei dynath, mesw ths diplwmatikhs odoy, h pragmatopoihsh ths episkechs, profanws qa metabei stis Hnwmenes Politeies. Otan pas se mia xwra, synantiesai me thn politikh hgesia ths xwras thn opoia episkeptesai. Apla pragmata.

SANTAMOYRHS: Ean moy epitrepete kai den qelw na kanw kataxrhsh toy xronoy, alla milw gia synanthseis me hgetes ektos Hnwmenwn Politeiwn. Me ton Prwqypoyrgo ths Toyrkias, gia paradeigma stis Hnwmenes Politeies.

ANTWNAROS: Ma, den antilambanomai eilikrina apo poy prokyptoyn ayta ta senaria. Ayta einai senaria fantasias.

POLYMEROS: O ekproswpos Typoy toy PASOK k. Papakwnstantinoy, to prwi sth NET, apantwntas se erwthsh gia tis proslhceis twn symbasioyxwn kai osa eidan to fws ths dhmosiothtas gia tis 65.000 proslhceis poy eginan kata th diarkeia toy teleytaioy ejamhnoy toy 2009, alla kai ta prohgoymena xronia poy kyberna h Nea Dhmokratia, pws otan erqei h kybernhsh, opote kai an ginei ayto, toy PASOK qa krathsei monon osoys ejyphretoyn to dhmosio symferon. Me alla logia, dhladh, gia allh mia fora blepoyme toys symbasioyxoys na ginontai ``mpalaki'' apo th mia kybernhsh sthn allh. Ti skeftetai na kanei h kybernhsh, prokeimenoy na apofygoyn mia tetoia katastash oi symbasioyxoi;

ANTWNAROS: Den qa parakoloyqhsw ton k. Papakwnstantinoy se ola ayta ta tragelafika, ta opoia leei to teleytaio diasthma se polla qemata. Exei epilejei ayto to dromo: Na leei teratologies. Xqes, se ena hmiepishmo keimeno to opoio dianemei to PASOK stoys dhmosiografoys kaqhmerina, ginetai logos gia 800.000 dhqen proslhceis - -kai sas lew to noymero, giati mono qymhdia mporei na prokalesei ena tetoio noymero- - kata th diarkeia ths diakybernhshs ths xwras apo tis kybernhseis ths Neas Dhmokratias, apo to 2004 mexri shmera.

Opws antilambaneste, o ariqmos aytos yperbainei kata poly to synolo olwn oswn me kapoia morfh apasxolhshs ergazontai sto ellhniko Dhmosio. Diapistwsate eseis diplasiasmo twn atomwn poy ergazontai sto ellhniko Dhmosio; Oi ``fwsthres'' aytoi kanoyn aytoy toy eidoys thn paraplhroforhsh, profanws prosqetontas akomh kai trimhnes symbaseis poy exoyn orismenoi ergazomenoi sto ellhniko Dhmosio. Dhladh, kapoion o opoios exei tessera trimhna se ena xrono, ton qewroyn oti einai tetraplh proslhch.

Ayta, opws antilambaneste einai asteiothtes. Dhladh, den antexoyn oyte kan se diaceysh. Lypamai poy to lew, alla den mporw na mpw se ayto to dialogo. Prokeitai peri lektikwn teratoyrghmatwn poy den exoyn kamia sxesh me thn pragmatikothta. As peisoyn prwta toys idioys toys eaytoys toys kai meta na prospaqoyn na peisoyn toys Ellhnes polites. Oi Ellhnes polites, doja tw Qew, kai krish exoyn kai katalabainoyn peri tinos prokeitai.

Sas eipa kai xqes: Qewroyn sto PASOK epilhcimo akomh kai to gegonos oti proslambanontai, opws proslambanontai kaqe xrono, wromisqioi h opws alliws legetai h kathgoria sthn opoia anhkoyn, kaqhghtes kai daskaloi sto systhma ths Paideias. Dhladh, den qeloyn na proslhfqoyn; Apanthse se ola ayta ta qemata, xqes kai shmera me dhmosies parembaseis tis opoies ekane, kai o armodios Ypoyrgos k. Paylopoylos.

Ayta, loipon, giati ta lew; Gia na epishmanw tis teratologies tis opoies xrhsimopoiei, to teleytaio diasthma, to komma ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs. As mhn prospaqoyn epiteloys na kalycoyn thn agnoia qematwn thn opoia exoyn h tis paraleiceis tis opoies exoyn kanei, mh diapistwnontas oti yparxoyn pragmatika qemata, opws h griph h h dieqnhs oikonomikh krish gia polloys mhnes. As mhn prospaqoyn, loipon, na ta kalycoyn me kapoia dhqen fygh pros ta empros kai me epixeirhmata se qemata poy einai entelws ewla. Aytes einai askhseis mikrokommatikhs symperiforas poy einai katadikasmenes apo oloys toys Ellhnes polites.

SANTAMOYRHS: H kybernhsh einai eyxaristhmenh apo ton trexonta ariqmo daneiodothshs twn mikromesaiwn epixeirhsewn apo tis trapezes;

ANTWNAROS: Exw pei kai alles fores oti panta mporei na beltiwqei h katastash. Pros ayth thn kateyqynsh kanoyme oses energeies epiballetai na ginoyn. Eimaste ekeinoi oi opoioi apofasisame ton orismo kai thn paroysia Epitropwn stis trapezes poy metexoyn sto sxedio gia thn enisxysh ths reystothtas sthn ellhnikh oikonomia. Oi Epitropoi - -den exw kamia amfibolia gia to antiqeto- - kanoyn th doyleia toys. Den qa prepei, omws, pote kaneis na jexna oti to problhma ths reystothtas ejakoloyqei kai apasxolei oles tis xwres ths Eyrwphs kai oxi mono ths Eyrwphs. Einai ena qema toylaxiston paneyrwpaiko. Ginontai synexeia parembaseis se diafores xwres, mikres kai megales, prokeimenoy na ejeyreqoyn oi katallhles lyseis. Alla to problhma einai yparkto.

Apo thn allh meria, oi trapezes, ta pistwtika idrymata, qa prepei na mhn jexnoyn oti exoyn kai koinwnikh apostolh sthn opoia qa prepei na antapokrinontai.

KAKALHS: Gia poio problhma reystothtas mas milate, otan qa diabasate shmera oti oi trapezes epistrefoyn kaqhmerina sthn Eyrwpaikh Kentrikh Trapeza 200 dis eyrw. Oxi oti den exoyn problhma. Ekeino poy kathgoroyntai kai apodidetai stoys mhxanismoys ths Eyrwpaikhs Kentrikhs Trapezas einai oti parakratoyn th reystothta kai th xrhsimopoioyn gia idion ofelos.

ANTWNAROS: Prwton, qa sas parakaloysa na diabasete - -kai eimai bebaios oti qa to kanete- - tis anafores poy ginontai sto shmerino hmerhsio Typo, poy paroysiazoyn ena poly pio polyploko, polyepipedo qema. To qema den einai toso aplo.

Deyteron, egw eipa oti eimaste apo panw kai to parakoloyqoyme, kanontas sygkekrimenes parembaseis opote xreiazetai. Kai prepei kai oi trapezes na kanoyn o,ti mporoyn kai na ejantlhsoyn oles tis dynatothtes poy exoyn. Alla, h dieqnhs krish - -sas to eipa kai xqes kai isws ayto na prokalese kai kapoia aporia- - synexizetai. Mhn kanoyme h mhn prospoioyntai kapoioi - -kai den ennow toys paristamenoys edw shmera- - oti h krish exei teleiwsei. H krish brisketai se ejelijh kai den exoyme dei oles tis synepeies ths dieqnoys oikonomikhs krishs gia oles tis xwres poy plhttontai.

Ekeino to opoio eipa kai ejakoloyqw na lew einai oti gia diaforoys logoys, oysiastikoys, kyriws omws thn askhsh politikhs me pronohtikothta, oi synepeies mexri twra gia thn Ellada, gia th xwra mas, einai shmantika, aisqhta mikroteres, se polloys tomeis apo oti alles xwres ths Eyrwphs. Kai polles apo aytes - -to lew gia mia akomh fora kai den blepw kai to PASOK kaqoloy na antidra- - opoy th diakybernhsh thn exoyn omoideates toy k. Papandreoy kai toy PASOK. Xwres opoy h anergia fqanei to 18%. Xwres opoy h biomhxanikh paragwgh peftei katakoryfa. Xwres opoy h anaptyjh einai se poly megala noymera arnhtikh, katw apo to mhden.

Egw den qa isxyristw pote oti h katastash sthn Ellada einai rodinh. Alla eimaste synexeia panw apo thn krish. Parakoloyqoyme tis ejelijeis ths. Parakoloyqoyme tis metallajeis ths, an qelete, tis parafyades ths kai lambanoyme ola ekeina ta metra poy afenos einai aparaithta kai afeteroy mas epitrepei h genikh oikonomikh katastash ths xwras kai ta dhmosionomika problhmata poy klhronomhsame. Etsi wste kai ekeinoi poy exoyn thn pragmatikh kai megalyterh anagkh na sthrixqoyn kata to dynaton. Kai h oikonomia na pairnei ekeino to ojygono poy xreiazetai gia na leitoyrgei oso to dynaton kalytera. Kai kladoi poy plhttontai na exoyn th sthrijh poy epiballetai. Giati aytoi oi kladoi - -to prosqetw- - einai kladoi poy apasxoloyn megaloys, shmantikoys ariqmoys Ellhnwn ergazomenwn, opws o kataskeyastikos kai o toyristikos.

Kai to teleytaio, na ginoyn oles ekeines oi diarqrwtikes allages kai oi metarryqmiseis poy xreiazontai, wste otan teleiwsei h krish - -kai qa teleiwsei kapote- - na eimaste oso to dynaton kalytera proetoimasmenoi gia thn epomenh hmera.

KAKALHS: Den katalabainw to epixeirhma oti oi synepeies ths kriseis einai oi xeiroteres se xwres opoy oi kybernhseis einai omoideates toy PASOK. Aytes oi kybernhseis efarmozoyn diaforetikh politikh apo esas; Den efarmozoyn thn politikh poy prokyptei apo tis desmeyseis ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs; Apo aytes poy apofasizontai sto plaisio ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs, telos pantwn;

ANTWNAROS: Profanws, exete thn antilhch gia thn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh oti bgazei kaqe mhna h kaqe ejamhno ena fetba...

KAKALHS: Tis apofaseis Koryfhs blepw.

ANTWNAROS: ... o opoios efarmozetai monoshmanta, xwris dynatothtes epejergasias h kinhsewn apo thn kaqe mia xwra jexwrista. Den einai etsi.

KAKALHS: Poy diaforopoieiste eseis se sxesh me thn kybernhsh toy Qapatero, gia paradeigma;

ANTWNAROS: Den qa anaferqw se diaforopoihseis apo th mia h thn allh kybernhsh. Egw anaferomai synexeia se ayta ta opoia emeis edw kanoyme kai ta opoia apodeiknyoyn, pera apo opoiadhpote amfisbhthsh, oti kai sxedio exoyme kai oloklhrwmeno einai kai thn eyelijia ekeinh diaqetoyme, wste na kanoyme kai tis anagkaies prosarmoges kai tis beltiwseis opote xreiazetai. Ayto einai mia kaqarh, staqerh grammh thn opoia akoloyqoyme kai qa synexisoyme na akoloyqoyme. Den xreiazontai, ayth th stigmh, ideologikes agkylwseis. O,ti kanoyme, to kanoyme me ena gnwmona: To symferon ths xwras, ths koinwnias kai enos, kaqenos, polith jexwrista.

SANTAMOYRHS: Yparxei endexomeno h kainoyrgia kybernhsh ths Boylgarias na leitoyrghsei me megalyteres kaqysterhseis gia thn ypoqesh toy agwgoy Mpoyrgkas-Alejandroypolhs;

ANTWNAROS: Yparxei prosfath dhlwsh, tis prohgoymenes hmeres, toy armodioy Ypoyrgoy k. Xatzhdakh sthn opoia kai sas parapempw.

SANTAMOYRHS: O k. Xatzhdakhs eyxhqhke na mhn yparjei problhma kai dhlwse th bebaiothta toy oti den qa yparjei. To idio mporei na yposthrijei kai h boylgarikh pleyra; H epikoinwnia me thn Aqhna, ti leei;

ANTWNAROS: Menw sth dhlwsh toy k. Xatzhdakh.

Sas eyxaristw.

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