Greek Government Press Briefing, 09-07-17

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Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Paraskeyh, 17 Ioylioy 2009

Ariqmos Deltioy: 213793655

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O KYBERNHTIKOS EKPROSWPOS

Aqhna, 17 Ioylioy 2009

EYAGGELO ANTWNARO

Kalhmera sas.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

FANIDHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, me ryqmish h opoia exei entaxqei sto nomosxedio toy Ypoyrgeioy Oikonomias gia ta skafh anacyxhs, qa kataballontai anadromika apo thn 1h Aygoystoy toy 2008, apo ton Proypologismo ths Boylhs, oi asfalistikes eisfores twn boyleytwn poy epelejan na afosiwqoyn sto boyleytiko toys ajiwma. Hqela na sas rwthsw, ean ayto, en mesw oikonomikhs krishs, ayth h tropologia dhladh, den prokalei toys Ellhnes polites.

ANTWNAROS: Einai qema poy afora th leitoyrgia ths Boylhs kai syzhteitai sth Boylh me prwtoboylia toy Proedroy ths Boylhs k. Dhmhtrh Sioyfa, opws moy eipe o idios molis.

KAKALHS: H kybernhsh den exei apoch gi` ayto to qema;

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na prosqesw kati allo.

PALAIOLOGOS: Apo th stigmh poy, telos pantwn, yparxei ena programma endexomenws litothtas sta skaria h hdh efarmozetai, poy pagwnoyn oi misqoi sto dhmosio tomea, den synista proklhsh to gegonos oti estw me protash, den jerw kai egw poioy, qa prepei h Boylh h idia na katabalei ta asfalistika twn boyleytwn, apo th stigmh poy oi idioi epelejan to asymbibasto;

ANTWNAROS: O,ti eixa na pw gia to qema ayto, to eipa. Den exw na prosqesw kati. Parakalw na diabasete akribws thn proteinomenh ryqmish.

PALAIOLOGOS: Nai, afora tis ayjhseis, afora thn kalych twn asfalistikwn.

KAKALHS: Ean yphrxe kapoio prosxhma mexri protinos, alla twra den yparxei, giati exei katarghqei to asymbibasto twn boyleytwn, ara den yparxei kanenas logos na synexizei h Boylh na analambanei thn asfalistikh eisfora twn boyleytwn;

ANTWNAROS: Ejantlhsa to qema.

POLYMEROS: Qa sxoliasete dhmosieymata toy Typoy, shmera, poy miloyn gia anasxhmatismo ton Aygoysto;

ANTWNAROS: Opws gnwrizete, den sxoliazw dhmosieymata twn MME. O,ti exoyme na poyme gi` ayto to qema, to exoyme pei. Ekeino poy mas endiaferei einai to ergo mas, sto opoio kai eimaste epikentrwmenoi.

FANIDHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, den einai akribws qema anasxhmatismoy. Mexri telos Aygoystoy, afhse na ennohqei o k. Zagoriths, alla kai o k. Markopoylos, milwntas shmera to prwi sth NET, eipe oti qa ginoyn eyryteres allages sto dhmosio tomea. Exete na mas peite kati panw se ayto;

ANTWNAROS: Oxi.

PALAIOLOGOS: Epeidh, xqes, to qema toy anasxhmatismoy h twn eyryterwn allagwn, telos pantwn, den to pyrodothse kapoios boyleyths, to pyrodothse o Grammateas toy kommatos k. Leyterhs Zagoriths, poy ypociazomai oti kati parapanw jerei apo oloys emas toys aploys anqrwpoys. Ayto shmainei oti ontws einai se apeyqeias grammh me thn kybernhsh kai gnwrizei poly kala oti oi allages aytes qa ginoyn peri ta telh Aygoystoy, o k. Zagoriths;

ANTWNAROS: O,ti eixa na pw gia to qema ayto, to eipa. Ekeino poy mas endiaferei - -kai ayto kanoyme- - einai oti eimaste epikentrwmenoi sto ergo mas, sth doyleia mas. Exoyme pollh doyleia na kanoyme kai ola ta alla senaria den apoteloyn meros kamias skechs mas.

POLYMEROS: O k. Papandreoy, apo to 12o Synedrio ths Symhs, katalogise sthn kybernhsh adynamia diakybernhshs, legontas xarakthristika pws ews twra sthn Ellada den exoyme janazhsei pote sto parelqon mia tetoia morfh diakybernhshs ths xwras, me egklhmatikothta, diafqora, anomia kai sygkalych. Qa to sxoliasete;

ANTWNAROS: O k. Papandreoy kala qa kanei na afosiwqei sthn epejergasia enos oysiastikoy sxedioy protasewn gia ta pragmatika problhmata poy antimetwpizei h xwra kai ta opoia emeis pote den apokrycame apo toys Ellhnes polites. Ayto den shmainei, bebaiws, oti symfwnw me tis topoqethseis kai tis perigrafes tis opoies eseis molis moy metaferate kai profanws exei kanei o arxhgos toy kommatos ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs.

To komma ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs kai o arxhgos toy ejakoloyqoyn na diatypwnoyn nefelwdh eyxologia, xwris kamia oysia, ejwpragmatikes idees, oi opoies ean efarmozontan, qa kostizan polla disekatommyria eyrw stoys Ellhnes forologoymenoys kai apofeygei na topoqethqei oysiastika kai desmeytika se sygkekrimena problhmata. H topoqethsh toy einai ena monimo ``oxi''. Ayto den apotelei kamia prosfora sthn epilysh twn zhthmatwn poy antimetwpizei h xwra.

Antiqetws, h shmerinh kybernhsh kai lyseis proteinei kai lyseis dinei kai me tis lyseis aytes prosferei diejodo sta zhthmata poy asfalws anakyptoyn kaqe toso kai malista, en mesw mias dieqnoys oikonomikhs krishs poy einai fysiko na exei epiptwseis kai gia th dikh mas xwra. Epiptwseis poy - -to ypogrammizw gia mia akomh fora- - einai mikroteres apo aytes poy antimetwpizoyn alles geitonikes, sygkrisimes xwres, toso apo apocews domhs ths oikonomias, oso kai apo apocews megeqoys ths oikonomias toys.

PALAIOLOGOS: Symmerizeste thn ektimhsh poy proerxetai apo ta stoixeia twn ergazomenwn oti kindyneyoyn na mhn katablhqoyn oi syntajeis apo th stigmh poy ta asfalistika Tameia boyliazoyn kai xreiazetai mexri to telos toy xronoy ena poso ths tajews twn pente dis eyrw;

ANTWNAROS: Aytes oi yperboles poy anagrafontai shmera se merida toy Typoy den exoyn kamia sxesh me thn pragmatikothta. Den eystaqoyn. Sas ypogrammizw, gia mia akomh fora, kati poy exw pei epaneilhmmenws se ayth thn aiqoysa: To kratos eggyatai tis syntajeis kai tis paroxes pros toys Ellhnes polites. Ta Tameia, me th metarryqmish h opoia efarmozetai kai qymaste me poies dyskolies perase, mpainoyn sto dromo ths tajhs kai toy ``noikokyrematos''. H mhxanografhsh poy gia polla xronia eixe meinei sta xartia kai kaneis den thn efarmoze, den thn prowqoyse, ginetai pragmatikothta.

Sas ypenqymizw oti exei apostalei kai exei doqei se eptamish ekatommyria Ellhnes o AMKA, dhladh o ariqmos toy Ellhna asfalismenoy. Enas ariqmos poy den einai kati typiko. Einai kati poy dieykolynei, se poly megalo baqmo, th sxesh toy Ellhna asfalismenoy me to Tameio sto opoio anhkei, opoy exei thn asfalistikh toy kalych.

Ypenqymizw - -kai ayto einai gnwsto- - oti se Tameia poy yparxei problhma kai yparxei problhma diaxronika, opws einai o OAEE, to elleimma kalyptetai kaqe mhna apo ton kratiko Proypologismo. Me tis ryqmiseis, loipon, poy exoyn ginei kai profanws ejakoloyqoyn na mhn aresoyn se kapoioys, mpainei tajh. Mpainei tajh kai prostateyontai akomh perissotero kai ta xrhmata poy plhrwnoyn oi Ellhnes asfalismenoi kai oi ergodotes toys, giati jerete oti yparxei kai h ergodotikh eisfora, kai etsi diafylattontai poly kalytera ta symferonta toys. Den lew oti den yparxoyn problhmata, alla h yperbolikh paroysiash kapoiwn problhmatwn me stoxo th dhmioyrgia anhsyxias stoys Ellhnes asfalismenoys, opws sas eipa, den exei bash. Oi isxyrismoi aytoi, me ayth th morfh kai se ayto to megeqos, den eystaqoyn.

KAKALHS: Mporei na mhn eystaqoyn aytoi oi isxyrismoi, opws lete, alla eystaqoyn oi dikoi sas isxyrismoi oti mpainoyn ta Tameia sto dromo ths tajhs kai toy ``noikokyrematos'' th stigmh poy to Dhmosio xrwsta 12,6 dis eyrw h otan h eisforodiafygh anerxetai sta 8,5 dis eyrw; To Dhmosio giati den einai synepes stis ypoxrewseis toy apenanti sta Tameia;

ANTWNAROS: To Dhmosio, opws sas eipa, kalyptei kai eggyatai kai tis syntajeis kai tis paroxes. Kai akribws enas apo toys stoxoys poy eixe h enopoihsh twn Tameiwn apo peripoy 130 Tameia se 13, apeblepe, metajy twn allwn, kai sthn antimetwpish toy qematos ths eisforodiafyghs. Oles oi prospaqeies, akribws, katateinoyn sto ``noikokyrema''. Ayto den ginetai apo th mia hmera sthn allh. Xreiazetai prospaqeia.

Katastaseis oi opoies exoyn dhmioyrghqei kai einai anarxes, anejelegktes gia polla xronia, den mporei na anatrapoyn kai na mpoyn se ena kalo dromo mesa se ligoys mhnes. H prospaqeia einai diarkhs, synexizetai.

FANIDHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, h k. Mpakogiannh qa paei sthn Toyrkia; Kai hqela na rwthsw, malista, an skefqei kiolas na parei mazi ths ton k. Papandreoy, giati, apo o,ti diabazw, edwse kai symboyles sthn k. Mpakogiannh, oti otan phgaineis sthn Toyrkia prepei na jereis poy qeleis na pas kai h kybernhsh den jerei.

ANTWNAROS: H k. Mpakogiannh exei topoqethqei gia to qema twn sxesewn me thn Toyrkia. Yparxei epishs kai dhlwsh, sthn opoia anaferqhka kai xqes, toy Ekproswpoy toy Ypoyrgeioy Ejwterikwn. Otan yparjei kapoia sygkekrimenh hmeromhnia gia kapoio tajidi, eimai bebaios oti qa to plhroforhqeite.

KAKALHS: Mporei na amfisbhthsate, xwris na ta antikroysete omws peistika, ta stoixeia poy doqhkan apo toys ergazomenoys sta Tameia, wstoso h katastash paramenei se ayto to baqmo ligo-poly poy perigrafoyn. To erwthma einai, h kybernhsh qa dwsei lysh pali mesa apo th meiwsh twn syntajewn kai thn paratash twn oriwn syntajiodothshs;

ANTWNAROS: H kybernhsh exei topoqethqei, me sygkekrimeno tropo, se ola ayta ta qemata. Exei dwsei apanthseis. Den exei afhsei kanena anapanthto erwthma. Kai aplws, orismenoi prospaqoyn, kaqe toso kai ligaki, na dhmioyrghsoyn entypwseis. Sas anaferw ena sygkekrimeno paradeigma: Ginetai syzhthsh, aytes tis hmeres, gia ta legomena barea kai anqygieina epaggelmata, opoy gnwrizete oti emeis ws kybernhsh exoyme proanaggeilei kai exoyme kanei dhmosio dialogo kai mesa apo Epitropes, oi opoies exoyn sxhmatistei, gia ton ejorqologismo aytoy toy katalogoy twn epaggelmatwn opoy ypagontai. Afenos, men, gia epaggelmata ta opoia pia den yparxoyn kai afeteroy gia epaggelmata ta opoia den exoyn kanena logo na ypagontai se aytes tis ryqmiseis.

Exoyme pei, epishs, jekaqara oti oi ryqmiseis oi opoies qa ginoyn, qa aforoyn osoys eiselqoyn sta sygkekrimena epaggelmata meta thn ekdosh twn sxetikwn apofasewn. Einai jekaqarh h topoqethsh mas. Parola tayta, yparxoyn orismenoi poy prospaqoyn na dhmioyrghsoyn anhsyxia kai amfibolies se aytoys poy hdh einai ypagmenoi shmera se ayta ta epaggelmata. Ayto, loipon, kapoioi to kanoyn ek toy ponhroy. Einai safh pragmata ayta. Den apeyqynw kamia momfh se esas. Pros Qeoy! Alla, qelw na pw oti pragmata ta opoia einai jekaqara, exoyn dieykrinistei kat` epanalhch kai apo emena edw, alla kyriws apo thn armodia Ypoyrgo k. Petralia, ta janafernoyn kapoioi sto trapezi. Kapoioi poy malista exoyn kai ypeyqynes fwnes, prospaqwntas na dhmioyrghsoyn sygxish kai paniko. Ayto den ejyphretei se tipota th dhmosia syzhthsh. Dhmioyrgei, qa elega, proskaires entypwseis poy den exoyn kai kanena antikeimeno.

Sas eyxaristw.

Kalo Sabbatokyriako.

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