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Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Pempth, 9 Ioylioy 2009

Ariqmos Deltioy: 212381444

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O KYBERNHTIKOS EKPROSWPOS

Aqhna, 9 Ioylioy 2009

EYAGGELO ANTWNARO

Geia sas.

H kybernhsh qa kataqesei to prosexes diasthma, pros chfish sth Boylh, diatajh nomoy, symfwna me thn opoia epanaferetai to prohgoymeno kaqestws sto qema twn dhmoskophsewn. Sygkekrimena, qa apagoreyetai efejhs h dhmosiopoihsh apotelesmatwn dhmoskophsewn 15 hmeres prin apo thn hmeromhnia diejagwghs eklogwn.

Gnwrizete oti h shmerinh kybernhsh htan ekeinh poy eixe allajei to kaqestws to opoio isxyei. H prosfath, omws, empeiria, opws ayth apotypwqhke stis ekloges gia thn anadeijh twn antiproswpwn mas sto Eyrwpaiko Koinoboylio, kata koinh apodoxh, den epibebaiwse thn ekplhrwsh toy skopoy poy eixe teqei, dhladh thn plhresterh kai epikairh enhmerwsh twn politwn mesa apo tis dhmoskophseis.

Kai ayto giati h plhqwra twn dhmoskophsewn paroysiase entona apoklinoyses diafores kai synexeis anatropes se xronika diasthmata poy apeixan elaxista to ena apo to allo metajy toys, me apotelesma anti ths epidiwkomenhs plhresterhs enhmerwshs twn politwn, na dhmioyrghqei sygxysh. Kai bebaiws, ayto den prepei, den epitrepetai na symbainei se mia eynomoymenh Dhmokratia, opws h dikh mas.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

XIWTHS: An katalaba kala, eipate oti qa kataqesete th diatajh tis amesws prosexeis hmeres;

ANTWNAROS: Eipa to prosexes diasthma. Prokeitai gia mia syntomh diatajh, poy leei oti katargeitai h tade diatajh kai epanerxetai se isxy h deina diatajh. Ayto qa ginei se ena prosexes nomosxedio. Den eimai se qesh na sas pw, ayth th stigmh, poio. Thn prwtoboylia gia thn kataqesh thn exei o Ypoyrgos Eswterikwn k. Prokophs Paylopoylos.

XIWTHS: Qelw na rwthsw, ean prin apo thn kataqesh ths diatajhs, qa kanete kapoia morfh diaboyleyshs me toys armodioys foreis h tis etaireies. Kai to deytero poy qelw na rwthsw einai, giati h kybernhsh biazetai, kata kapoio tropo, exei tetoia spoydh na to kanei ayto, apo th stigmh poy o orizontas twn eklogwn einai arketa makria apo o,ti mas lete.

ANTWNAROS: Exete dikio men se ayto poy lete. Apo thn allh pleyra, qa hqela na sas qymisw oti o ypofainomenos, proswpika, to brady twn eyrweklogwn, se enhmerwtikh syzhthsh poy eixa mazi sas, eixa ekqesei ton problhmatismo ton opoio exoyme, kai to endexomeno ayths ths allaghs. Oloi giname martyres ths katastashs, opws diamorfwqhke me tis allepallhles, poly syxnes dhmoskophseis ekeino to diasthma. Kai qa qymaste asfalws oloi sas oti paromoies epifylajeis, paromoies topoqethseis, akoysthkan kai apo alloys, an oxi apo oloys pantws apo polloys politikoys xwroys.

Synepws, qewroyme oti h ryqmish ayth, thn opoia emeis oi idioi eixame kanei - -kai den exw kamia dyskolia na to paradexqw, ayth dhladh poy prokeitai na katarghqei- - exei apodexqei atelesforh. Kai to prohgoymeno kaqestws sto opoio qa epistrecoyme, me bash ayth th diatajh poy sas eipa, einai pio apotelesmatiko. Ejyphretei kalytera ta symferonta ths Dhmokratias kai olwn twn politwn.

XIWTHS: Gi` ayto sas rwtw. Qelw na pw, qa ginei kapoia diaboyleysh me tis etaireies; Ayto einai to prwto poy qelw na rwthsw. Dhladh, exete eikona, an symfwnoyn, diafwnoyn k.t.l. Kai to deytero poy qelw na rwthsw, einai oti antilambaneste oti mia tetoia ryqmish mesa sto kalokairi dhmioyrgei ypocia epispeyshs twn eklogwn. Kai mh mas kathgoreite monimws gia senaria kai fantasiwseis mas, otan erxetai mesa sto kalokairi ayth h ryqmish.

ANTWNAROS: Einai mia ryqmish h opoia - -speydw na to ypenqymisw- - sthn oysia exei proanaggelqei. Den einai oyte aifnidiastikh, oyte shmatodotei kati sygkekrimeno. Einai mia ryqmish h opoia, kata th dikh mas ektimhsh, einai aparaithth. Kai, antiqetws, ginetai se anypopto xrono, th stigmh dhladh poy den yparxei hmeromhnia, orizontas eklogwn, ena mhna meta tis eyrwekloges.

Antiqetws, qa eprepe na epikriqei h kybernhsh, an kati to opoio eixe ekfrasei, anepishma estw, dia toy Ekproswpoy ths, den ginotan prajh twra. Se syntomo xrono meta tis ekloges.

Oso gia to allo qema, nomizw oti einai koinh h diapistwsh oti prepei ayto to kaqestws to opoio isxyse stis eyrwekloges, na allajei. Einai h dynamh ths Dhmokratias otan diapistwnei oti kati den htan apotelesmatiko, na to diorqwnei. Kai einai h dynamh ths dikhs mas kybernhshs. Enas logos parapanw.

KAKALHS: To prohgoymeno kaqestws - -den qymamai kala- - apagoreye tis dhmoskophseis mesa apo to Internet;

ANTWNAROS: H dhmosiopoihsh apotelesmatwn dhmoskophsewn mesa apo to Internet den epitrepetai. Me nomimo tropo, loipon, den mporei na ginei dhmosiopoihsh dhmoskophsewn. Einai safes ayto.

KALARYTHS: Eipate oti oi dhmoskophseis eixan metajy toys, se mikro xroniko diasthma, apokliseis kai anatropes me apotelesma na yparxei sygxysh anti plhroforhsh, kati poy den epitrepetai se mia eynomoymenh xwra. Yponoeite oti paizontan paixnidia me tis dhmoskophseis. Aytos einai o logos;

ANTWNAROS: Den qelw na pw kati parapanw. Den qelw na apodwsw dolo kai kakh proqesh se kanenan. Sth xwra mas drasthriopoieitai enas shmantikos ariqmos etaireiwn dhmoskophsewn, oi opoies me ena kwdika, entos enos nomikoy plaisioy, kanoyn th doyleia toys. Shmasia exei to apotelesma. H sygxish h opoia, kata th dikh mas ektimhsh - -alla nomizw kai kata thn ektimhsh ths megalhs pleiochfias twn Ellhnwn politwn- - dhmioyrghqhke apo ayth thn poly syxnh, allepallhlh dhmosieysh, dhmosiopoihsh pollwn apotelesmatwn dhmoskophsewn poy ekanan polles etaireies. Opws gnwrizete, syxna polles dhmoskophseis se mia hmera. Kai ayto anaferetai kai sthn aitiologikh ekqesh apo thn opoia sas diabasa merika apospasmata.

KAKALHS: Yfistatai kartel dhmoskopwn;

ANTWNAROS: Den egkeitai se mena na ekferw dhmosia krish ep` aytoy.

FANIDHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, epeidh antilambaneste oti me ayth sas thn anakoinwsh shmera, apo ayrio endexomenws qa foyntwsoyn pali ta senaria peri eklogwn, qelw na sas rwthsw, typika pote qa ginoyn ekloges;

ANTWNAROS: Exoyme topoqethqei jekaqara se ayto to qema. H eklogologia den ejyphretei kanenan. Kai epeidh fantazomai oxi eseis, alla kapoioi alloi qa poyn twra oti h kybernhsh anaferetai se ekloges, epeidh egw aphnthsa se erwthsh peri eklogwn, qa tonisw gia mia akomh fora oti ekeino poy mas endiaferei einai h doyleia mas, einai to ergo mas, einai oi metarryqmiseis me tis opoies qeloyme na pame th xwra mprosta.

Kai sas epanalambanw, gia mia akomh fora, oti h ryqmish ayth se anypopto xrono, se poly mikro diasthma meta tis eyrwekloges, einai h kalyterh apanthsh oti emeis lambanoyme tis apofaseis mas gia shmantika zhthmata opws ayto, poy einai ena shmantiko zhthma se anypopto xrono. Se xrono poy krinoyme oti den qa ephreasei kati allo.

ZORMPA: Kyrie Ekproswpe, eseis mporei na mh milhsate gia ekloges, milhse omws xqes o k. Papandreoy epishmws ston k. Nimits kai malista toy proanhggeile oti qa ginoyn to amesws prosexes diasthma ekloges sth xwra mas. Exete kapoio sxolio;

ANTWNAROS: Exei topoqethqei o Prwqypoyrgos epaneilhmmena gi` ayto to qema. Kai nomizw oti einai peritto na anaferqw, gia mia akomh fora, ki egw. Me thn erwthsh sas apodeiknyetai, gia mia akomh fora, poios einai, poia pleyra, poio komma einai ekeino poy synthrei to klima eklogologias sth xwra, aplws kai mono gia na ejyphrethsei dikes toy mikrokommatikes skopimothtes. Einai to PASOK. Einai o arxhgos toy.

GKATSIOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, pws mia protash thn opoia prin apo 48 wres xarakthrizate epikoinwniako pyrotexnhma, twra h kybernhsh fainetai diateqeimenh na th syzhthsei sthn Epitroph Qesmwn kai Diafaneias; Kai anaferomai sthn protash poy feretai oti qa kataqesei to PASOK, oson afora sthn eynoikh metaxeirish kathgoroymenwn h anqrwpwn poy dinoyn stoixeia gia politikoy;

ANTWNAROS: Topoqethqhka kai xqes. Qa topoqethqw, gia mia akomh fora shmera, me tropo o opoios, fantazomai oti qa kanei akomh pio safes ti qelw na pw: H qesh mas, h qesh ths kybernhshs einai safhs. H ellhnikh Dikaiosynh, me th symparastash ths kybernhshs, opote ayto xreiazetai kai opote ayto einai epitrepto apo tis keimenes diatajeis, exoyn kanei kai qa synexisoyn fysika na kanoyn o,ti perna apo to xeri toys, wste oi pantes na logodothsoyn ekei poy prepei na logodothsoyn, an einai enoxoi.

Qa hqela na ypenqymisw oti prin apo ena xrono o Prwqypoyrgos k. Kwstas Karamanlhs, me epistolh toy ston Proedro ths Boylhs k. Dhmhtrh Sioyfa, eixe zhthsei th sygkrothsh diakommatikhs Epitrophs me apostolh th synqesh apocewn poy na katalhjei sthn apo koinoy prowqhsh nomoqetikwn ryqmisewn gia thn empedwsh ths diafaneias sto dhmosio tomea kai to dhmosio bio. H protash ekeinh eixe diabibastei tote apo ton Proedro ths Boylhs stoys epikefalhs olwn twn politikwn kommatwn, alla den brhke kamia antapokrish.

Qymaste oti prin apo ligoys mhnes o epikefalhs ths Koinoboyleytikhs Omadas toy SYRIZA, me epistolh toy ston Prwqypoyrgo, zhthse thn analhch prwtoboylias gia thn allagh toy nomoy peri eyqynhs Ypoyrgwn. O Prwqypoyrgos, qewrwntas oti h protash ayth, opws kai alles synafeis protaseis, mporei na apotelesei antikeimeno dialogoy, epanefere thn palia, dikh toy (ayth poy molis sas anefera) protash gia diakommatikh synennohsh, me stoxo akribws thn enisxysh ths diafaneias pantoy.

Kai qa qymaste, epishs, oti o Prwqypoyrgos einai ekeinos poy proteine oi sxetikes syzhthseis na ginoyn sthn Koinoboyleytikh Epitroph Qesmwn kai Diafaneias ths Boylhs. Enhmerwse gia to qema ayto ton Proedro ths Boylhs kai edwse sxetikes odhgies stoys armodioys Ypoyrgoys Eswterikwn kai Dikaiosynhs. Gnwrizete hdh oti ginetai syzhthsh gia to qema ths eyqynhs twn Ypoyrgwn sthn Epitroph Qesmwn kai Diafaneias. Gnwrizete oti syzhthqhke, epishs, sto idio plaisio to qema twn MME, opws sas eipa kai xqes.

Kai enw eixe egkainiastei aytos o dialogos, h hgesia toy PASOK arxise na anazhta kapoia pyrotexnhmata kai anhggeile oti qa kataqesei sxetikh protash nomoy, perifronwntas taytoxrona th diadikasia h opoia brisketai se ejelijh sthn Epitroph Qesmwn kai Diafaneias.

Epanalambanw, loipon: H qesh ths kybernhshs kai toy Prwqypoyrgoy htan kai einai apolyta safhs, alla kai gnwsth edw kai kairo se oloys. Oles oi protaseis poy aforoyn, poy sxetizontai me thn empedwsh ths diafaneias sto dhmosio tomea kai to dhmosio bio, mporoyn na katateqoyn kai einai xrhsimo na syzhthqoyn sthn Epitroph Qesmwn kai Diafaneias etsi wste na prowqhqoyn apo koinoy oles ekeines oi ryqmiseis poy kai anagkaies einai kai efiktes.

H qesh mas, loipon, qelw na pw, me ayth th syntomh paroysiash poy sas ekana, einai synephs. Exei xronikh synexeia. Kai gi` ayto akribws, ayto poy sas eipa xqes entassetai se ayta akribws ta plaisia.

XIWTHS: Mias kai exoyme mpei sto qema ths Siemens, qelw na sas rwthsw to ejhs: To BHMA katagrafei shmera plhrofories apo th Germania, opoy feretai o k. Xristoforakos na exei dhlwsei stis ekei eisaggelikes arxes oti exei dwsei xrhmata kai ston k. Tsoykato, alla kai ston k. Barqolomaio. Qymamai poly kaqara tis dhlwseis kai toy k. Zagorith, alla kai toy idioy toy Prwqypoyrgoy poy anefere oti den exei mpei oyte ena eyrw sta tameia ths Neas Dhmokratias apo th Siemens. Qelw na sas rwthsw an epimenete se ayth th dhlwsh kai pws ejhgeite ayth th kataqesh toy k. Xristoforakoy, efoson epibebaiwqei.

ANTWNAROS: To komma ths Neas Dhmokratias, opws exoyme pei epaneilhmmenws, oydepote dexqhke oikonomikh enisxysh apo thn en logw etairia.

Oson afora to deytero skelos ths erwthshs sas, qa moy epitrecete na mhn kanw eikasies. Den einai armodiothta moy na sxoliazw feromenes martyrikes kataqeseis, oi opoies malista kata to dhmosieyma poy epikalesthkate, exoyn ginei sto ejwteriko kai synepws den mporw na gnwrizw oyte to periexomeno, oyte thn egkyrothta toys.

XIWTHS: To rwtw ayto kai gia enan allo logo: Dioti, apo th stigmh poy feretai o k. Xristoforakos na emplekei ton prwhn Geniko Dieyqynth ths Neas Dhmokratias, fantazomai oti h kybernhsh dyskolotera qa mporei na arnhqei thn protash gia amnhsteysh toy, efoson dwsei stoixeia. Giati eylogws qa kathgorhqeite oti den toy parexete kapoia epieikeia, gia na mhn milhsei.

ANTWNAROS: Exw topoqethqei se ayto to qema. Emas, ekeino poy mas endiaferei - - to epanalambanw kai to tonizw gia mia akomh fora - - einai na diejaxqei h ereyna toso se ayth thn ypoqesh, oso kai se oles tis ypoqeseis, se baqos, ejantlhtika. Na xyqei apleto fws se kaqe ptyxh ths. Ayto einai poy mas endiaferei kai tipote allo. Aytos einai o gnwmonas ths symperiforas mas.

KALARYTHS: Me bash toys dialogoys metajy kathgoroymenwn, poy eidan to fws ths dhmosiothtas, yparxoyn anafores se politika proswpa, Ypoyrgoys ths kybernhshs, politika proswpa en genei. H kybernhsh exei kapoio sxolio gia ayto; Problhmatizetai apo to gegonos oti kapoioi, oi opoioi kathgoroyntai gia toso baria adikhmata, anaferontai se politikoys;

ANTWNAROS: Oi anaferomenoi exoyn topoqethqei me apolyth safhneia.

KAKALHS: Thn kybernhsh den thn problhmatizei pws einai dynaton se mia speira apagwgewn na emplekontai ta onomata triwn kybernhtikwn stelexwn, anejarthta apo toys logoys gia toys opoioys to kanoyn oi kakopoioi; Ti syneirmoys mporei na kanei enas aplos poliths;

ANTWNAROS: O aplos poliths den prepei na pisteyei toys ciqyroys kai toys asthriktoys isxyrismoys.

ZORMPA: Hdh apo to brady ths 7hs Ioynioy h kybernhsh diamhnyei oti elabe to mhnyma ths kalphs. To idio mporei na isxyristei kai gia ta mhnymata poy stelnoyn kaqhmerina, pleon, tis dekapente teleytaies hmeres ta stelexh ths;

ANTWNAROS: Den antilambanomai ti qelete na peite.

ZORMPA: An moy epitrepete, yparxoyn kaqhmerina kybernhtika stelexh poy epikrinoyn thn kybernhsh kai thn kybernhtikh politikh gia ton tade h ton deina logo. Exete kapoio sxolio ep' aytoy.

ANTWNAROS: Den qa topoqethqw genika se dhlwseis poy moy metaferete. H kybernhsh exei ena kai monadiko stoxo: Na kanei th doyleia ths, na kanei prajh tis desmeyseis ths, na paei th xwra mprosta, na proxwrhsei me akomh taxyteroys ryqmoys stis metarryqmiseis poy einai anagkaies kai xrhsimes gia ton topo. Aytos einai o gnwmonas mas kai me ayton ton gnwmona qa ejakoloyqhsoyme na politeyomaste.

Sas eyxaristw.

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