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Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Trith, 30 Ioynioy 2009

Ariqmos Deltioy: 210582365

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O KYBERNHTIKOS EKPROSWPOS

Aqhna, 30 Ioynioy 2009

EYAGGELO ANTWNARO

Geia sas.

Shmera, Trith 30 Ioynioy, o Prwqypoyrgos k. Kwstas Karamanlhs eixe diadoxikes synanthseis me ton Proedro ths Eyrwpaikhs Epitrophs k. Xose Manoyel Mparozo kai me ton Antiproedro ths Eyrwpaikhs Epitrophs poy einai kai armodios gia qemata Dikaiosynhs, Eleyqerias kai Asfaleias k. Zak Mparo. Sth deyterh synanthsh, me ton k. Mparo, meteixe kai o Ypoyrgos Eswterikwn k. Prokophs Paylopoylos.

Nwritera, o Prwqypoyrgos synanthqhke, sto Megaro Majimoy, me ton Proedro toy Dioikhtikoy Symboylioy toy Idrymatos ``Stayros Niarxos'' k. Drakopoylo.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

GKATSIOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, exoyme mpei se mia atyph proeklogikh periodo me orizonta ton Martio toy 2010;

ANTWNAROS: Einai gnwsto poios exei balei th xwra h orqotera epixeirei na balei th xwra se atyph, opws eipate, h mh atyph proeklogikh periodo. Ekeino to opoio emas endiaferei, emas mas apasxolei kai aporrofa olh mas thn energeia kai olh mas thn prosoxh, einai to kybernhtiko ergo. Einai na pame mprosta th xwra me tis prwtoboylies poy analambanoyme. Me tis anagkaies metarryqmiseis poy xreiazetai h xwra kai me ta metra ta opoia lambanoyme pros ofelos twn politwn kai ths xwras.

Gia thn proeklogikh ekstrateia gia thn opoia milhsate, kalo einai na apeyqynqeite se alloys poy anakoinwnoyn apo twra thn enarjh ths ``proeklogikhs periodoy''. Kai anaferomai, bebaiws, sto komma ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs kai ton arxhgo toy ton k. Papandreoy.

KAKALHS: Epeidh den eginan anakoinwseis, qelete na mas peite to antikeimeno twn synomiliwn toy Prwqypoyrgoy me ton k. Mparozo kai ton k. Mparo;

ANTWNAROS: Opws gnwrizete, oi synanthseis me ton Proedro ths Eyrwpaikhs Epitrophs k. Mparozo, einai syxnes. H syzhthsh, loipon, periestrafh gyrw apo tis eyrwpaikes ejelijeis, th Synqhkh ths Lisabonas kai tis prooptikes poy yparxoyn. Epishs, de, oson afora to Kypriako: Sas ypenqymizw oti prin apo liges hmeres o k. Mparozo episkefqhke thn Kypro kai eixe epitopoy enhmerwsh gia th diejagwgh twn synomiliwn sth nhso.

KALARYTHS: Na epanelqw sthn arxikh erwthsh: Epeidh den einai mono to PASOK, alla kai to KKE kai o SYRIZA, exoyn pei oti den qa sthrijoyn opoiadhpote protash gia ton Proedro ths Dhmokratias, ara ek twn pragmatwn, me bash tis qeseis poy exoyn diatypwsei, ton Martio pame gia ekloges. Epeidh, loipon, exoyme mpei se paratetamenh proeklogikh periodo kai epeidh se aytes tis periodoys synhqws kybernhtiko ergo den prowqeitai kai yparxoyn dialytika fainomena kai fainomena asxolias twn Ypoyrgwn me alla qemata, peran toy ergoy toys, mhpws h kybernhsh skeftetai telika na prosfygei se prowres ekloges, gia na mhn exoyme ayth thn paratetamenh proeklogikh periodo;

ANTWNAROS: Ola ayta exoyn apanthqei. Den qa symfwnhsw mazi sas sth diapistwsh thn opoia kanate. Sas ypenqymizw oti h shmerinh kybernhsh kaqe hmera paragei ergo. Ayto ginotan - -sas to ypenqymizw gia mia akomh fora- - mexri kai thn proparamonh twn eyrweklogwn. Kai emeis den eimaste diateqeimenoi na meiwsoyme, oyte kat` elaxisto, tis prospaqeies poy kataballoyme, wste h xwra - -opws eipa kai prohgoymenws- - na paei mprosta. Prepei, kai qa ginoyn polla pragmata gia th xwra.

H oikonomikh krish thn opoia kapoioi qeloyn na jexnoyn, den exei oloklhrwqei. Einai se ejelijh, estw kai an orismenoi poy den eixan diapistwsei thn yparjh ths, prospoioyntai twra oti exei jeperastei. Emeis, loipon, exoyme to kaqhkon, ws eklegmenh kybernhsh ths xwras, kai to ergo mas na kanoyme prajh kai tis desmeyseis mas na ylopoihsoyme kai kyriws na analaboyme oles ekeines tis prwtoboylies oi opoies einai aparaithtes gia ton topo kai toys polites.

Qa hqela, de, na prosqesw me ayth thn eykairia kai to ejhs: Kapoioi speydoyn na poyn, jexnwntas ta osa exoyn eipwqei to teleytaio diasthma, oti kapoia kainoyrgia metra (h kati tetoio) programmatizontai gia to epomeno diasthma. Ayta, de, ta opoia epikaloyntai exoyn proanaggelqei, edw kai arketo diasthma. Milaw gia tis diarqrwtikes allages kai tis tomes stis opoies anaferqhke, gia mia akomh fora xqes, o armodios Ypoyrgos k. Papaqanasioy. Ayta einai mesa sto programma mas. Ayta einai mesa stis proqeseis mas. Kai einai kapws akomco na ta epikaloyntai kapoioi, kaqe fora poy ginetai ena bhma pros thn ylopoihsh aytwn twn prwtoboyliwn, aytwn twn tomwn, ws kati kainoyrgio poy erxetai kai ws fobhtro gia toys polites. Ola osa ginontai sth xwra, ginontai pros ofelos twn politwn kai oxi eis baros twn politwn.

Qa hqela, omws, na erqw kai sto sygkekrimeno qema, to opoio qijate, ths ekloghs toy Proedroy ths Dhmokratias. H eklogh toy Proedroy ths Dhmokratias einai mia shmantikh stigmh sth leitoyrgia toy dhmokratikoy mas Politeymatos. Den symfwnoyme fysika me th diaxronika gnwsth stash toy Kommoynistikoy Kommatos Elladas na mhn chfizei ton Proedro ths Dhmokratias. Poly perissotero twra, poy milame gia to shmerino Proedro ths Dhmokratias poy exei megalh apodoxh apo toys Ellhnes polites kai einai symbolo enothtas.

H eklogh toy Proedroy ths Dhmokratias ginetai me diadikasia poy problepetai, bebaiws, apo to Syntagma. Kaneis omws - -kai to ypogrammizw ayto- - den epitrepetai na xrhsimopoiei ayth th diadikasia gia dikes toy mikrokommatikes skopimothtes. Kai ayto akribws kanei to komma ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs, to PASOK, legontas oti qa katachfisei ton Proedro ths Dhmokratias gia na prokalesei ekloges. Se ayto anaferqhke o Prwqypoyrgos thn properasmenh ebdomada. H symperifora ayth toy PASOK synista enan anepitrepto eytelismo twn qesmwn.

KALARYTHS: O k. Papoylias qa einai pali ypochfios, exei milhsei h kybernhsh mazi toy, exoyn ginei syzhthseis kai to jerei apo twra oti qa einai;

ANTWNAROS: Isxyoyn osa eipe prin apo liges molis hmeres stis Bryjelles o Prwqypoyrgos k. Kwstas Karamanlhs.

STAQOPOYLOS: Me ayta poy molis eipate prin apo ligo, mhpws hrqe h wra na apodesmeytei h eklogh toy Proedroy ths Dhmokratias, wste na mhn exoyme to endexomeno twn prowrwn eklogwn, kati poy zhthse kai xqes, nomizw, o k. Alogoskoyfhs;

ANTWNAROS: Qewrhtikes syzhthseis gia shmantika qesmika qemata mporei na kanoyn polloi. Opws gnwrizete - - anaferqhka allwste se ayto - - o tropos ekloghs toy Proedroy ths Dhmokratias kaqorizetai apo to Syntagma. Egw, loipon, anaferomai sta plaisia toy sygkekrimenoy Syntagmatos, to opoio prosfata - - opws gnwrizete - - anaqewrhqhke ws pros oliges diatajeis toy. Eixe anaqewrhqei kai stis arxes ths dekaetias epi kybernhsewn PASOK. H diatajh ayth sthn opoia anafereste, emeine ws exei. Synepws, h eklogh toy Proedroy ths Dhmokratias ginetai me ayto ton sygkekrimeno tropo kai se ayto egw anaferomai. Den qelw na emplakw, kai den prokeitai na emplakw, se qewrhtikes syzhthseis aytoy toy typoy.

RABANOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, poia politikh anagkh epibalei, anagkazei thn kybernhsh na apeyqynqei pros to Kommoynistiko komma kai na tonisei oti den symfwnei me th diaxronikh toy qesh na mhn chfizei ton Proedro ths Dhmokratias kai giati h anafora sas gia thn ychlh dhmofilia toy Karoloy Papoylia; Mhpws qelete na steilete ena mhnyma ston Perisso;

ANTWNAROS: Den qelw na pw kati perissotero apo osa eipa. Parakalw na deite th dhlwsh moy synolika. Exei diafora skelh kai epiqymw, to ypogrammizw, na isxyei ws synolo.

ZORMPA: Kyrie Ekproswpe ej oswn antilambanomai, to eipate kai poly safws, pisw apo ta senaria paratetamenhs eklogologias brisketai to PASOK, katonomasate to PASOK. Ayto shmainei oti ta dhmosieymata poy miloyn gia eishghseis kybernhtikwn stelexwn ston Prwqypoyrgo na prosfygei se prowres kalpes, einai aplws eyfantasta dhmosiografika senaria;

ANTWNAROS: Topoqethqhka hdh apo xqes se ayto to qema. Anaferqhka se sygkekrimenes topoqethseis toy kommatos ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs. Topoqethseis, oi opoies apodeiknyoyn - - pera apo opoiodhpote amfisbhthsh - - poios synexizei na mila synexeia gia ekloges. Ena pragma exoyn oi kyrioi kai oi kyries toy kommatos ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs profanws sto myalo toys, to exw janapei: Th boylimia ths ejoysias. Ayto toys apasxolei kai tipote allo.

KAKALHS: Eipate oti qelete na pate me to ergo sas thn xwra mprosta. Wstoso, ayto qa to kataferete me to na antigrafete thn atzenta twn biomhxanwn; Opws prokyptei, safws, apo ta osa eipe o k. Papaqanasioy sto IOBE. Akribws ayta proteinei to IOBE, einai ayta poy eipe o k. Papaqanasioy. Me thn antigrafh ths atzentas twn biomhxanwn qa pate ton topo mprosta; Oi biomhxanoi skeftontai mono ta symferonta toys. H kybernhsh skeftetai epishs to idio;

ANTWNAROS: H kybernhsh exei apodeijei sthn prajh ola ayta ta xronia, oti thn endiaferei pragmatika na paei th xwra mprosta. Thn endiaferei pragmatika na antimetwpisei ta zhthmata poy briskoyn mprosta toys, kaqe mera, oi Ellhnes polites kai kyriws aytoi poy exoyn kai tis mikroteres oikonomikes dynatothtes. Kai pros ayto to stoxo katateinoyn oles oi prospaqeies kai oles oi metarryqmiseis, tis opoies exoyme kanei. Egw den diabazw, oyte ermhneyw tis poly ekteneis - - kai to lew me qetikh diaqesh ayto gia na mhn eklhfqei ws kritikh - - leptomereiakes topoqethseis, tis opoies ekane xqes o k. Papaqanasioy me ton tropo poy tis proseggizete eseis. O k. Papaqanasioy topoqethqhke gia poly shmantika qemata, poy einai aparaithta gia ton topo. Den mporw na antilhfqw - - an isxyei ayto - - giati kapoioi enoxloyntai otan o k. Papaqanasioy leei, fer eipein, oti oloi oi Ellhnes polites, parafrazw, prepei na antapokrinontai stis ypoxrewseis tis opoies exoyn. Dhladh, na mh forodiafeygoyn. O k. Papaqanasioy anaferqhke se ayto. To lew ayto giati profanws kapoioi qeloyn na prostateysoyn eaytoys. Egw pisteyw oti einai ligoi. Oti einai sth meiochfia kai pragmati etsi einai. Oi ligoi, loipon, den mporoyn me thn antikoinwnikh toys symperifora, na prokaloyn problhmata kai ston topo kai stoys ypoloipoys polites.

KAKALHS: Me sygxwreite ep' aytoy. O k. Papaqanasioy jerei poly kala oti aytoi oi ofeiletes, oi megaloofeiletes toy Dhmosioy einai sygkekrimenoi. Einai 6.500 epixeirhseis, stis opoies den mporei na paei na eisprajei ta xrhmata. Me sygxwreite...

ANTWNAROS: Kanete laqos. Eisprattontai synexeia...

KAKALHS: Omws o k. Papaqanasioy eipe akribws thn atzenta twn biomhxanwn xqes. As poyme to IOBE proteinei pagwma twn misqwn toy Dhmosioy gia dyo xronia, peraiterw ayjhsh stoys emmesoys foroys sta kaysima kai sta tsigara, periorismo twn epidomatwn toy Dhmosioy, ayta akribws poy eipe o k. Papaqanasioy. Taytizeste apolyta me toys biomhxanoys. Ayth einai...

ANTWNAROS: Kanete laqos.

KAKALHS: ... kai qelete...

ANTWNAROS: Qa meinw sthn teleytaia sas frash. Se poses dekades xiliades triteknes oikogeneies ayjhsame emeis ta epidomata; Eidate na meiwsoyme ta epidomata gia toys polyteknoys; Antiqetws emeis ta ayjhsame gia panw apo 100.000 oikogeneies. Den yphrje, loipon, meiwsh epidomatwn.

KAKALHS: Gia to Dhmosio milaw.

ANTWNAROS: Den yphrje meiwsh epidomatwn. Loipon, ayth einai h oysia. H oysia einai oti emeis kanoyme mia koinwnikh politikh, apo thn opoia wfeloyntai pragmatika ekeinoi poy exoyn anagkh.

TSIKRIKA: Kyrie Ekproswpe, o k. Mixaloliakos shmera ekane mia poly sygkekrimenh protash kai qa exei endiaferon na doyme pws thn krinei h kybernhsh. Proteine, loipon, o k. Xristoforakos na toy doqei ena kinhtro na katonomasei poioi politikoi apo oloys toys xwroys phran mizes apo th SIEMENS kai se antallagma na yparjei ena eidiko kaqestws, ena eidos amnhstias, as poyme, gia ton k. Xristoforako.

ANTWNAROS: Thn apanthsh moy thn jerete, fantazomai. Den sxoliazw pote topoqethseis boyleytwn.

KALARITHS: Oi synhgoroi toy k. Xristoforakoy eipan oti o idios anhsyxei gia th zwh toy, gia thn akeraiothta toy, dioti exei dwsei xrhmata se 'Ellhnes politikoys kai sta dyo megala kommata, kai me bash ayth th dhlwsh twn synhgorwn toy qa perimene kaneis - - epeidh einai prosblhtikh gia to synolo toy politikoy systhmatos otan kapoios leei oti exei ``ladwsei'' politikoys kai fobatai mhn ton skotwsoyn - - kapoia antidrash apo to ellhniko politiko systhma peran twn typikwn diadikasiwn. Dhladh na prosfygei akomh kai nomika kata toy k. Xristoforakoy dioti sykofantei, fantazomai, syllhbdhn toys 'Ellhnes politikoys.

ANTWNAROS: Xwris na exw kamia diaqesh proswpikhs antidikias mazi sas, epanalambanete enan isxyrismo ths yperaspistikhs grammhs enos fygodikoy, ton opoio oi idioi oi synhgoroi toy exoyn egkataleicei edw kai polles meres. Moy prokalei entypwsh ayto. Synepws, den exw na apanthsw se kati to opoio den fainetai, bebaiws, na exei isxy. Kai antelhfqhsan kai oi idioi poy to diedwsan - - kai den anaferomai se sas bebaiws - - oti prokeitai gia foberh asteiothta.

GKATSIOS: Epitrecte moy ligo na epanelqw sto qema ths Proedrias ths Dhmokratias. Epeidh exei jekinhsei enas dialogos sth Boylh, jekina enas dialogos sth Boylh metajy twn kommatwn oson afora sta qemata ths diafaneias, poly shmantiko gia thn politikh zwh toy topoy, mhpws qa prepei na jekinhsei enas dialogos metajy twn kommatwn gia na anaqewrhqei o tropos poy eklegetai o Proedros ths Dhmokratias kai na teqoyn ekei epi taphtos protaseis opws, p.x., ayth poy exei kanei o epitimos Proedros ths Neas Dhmokratias kai prwhn Prwqypoyrgos, o Kwnstantinos Mhtsotakhs, gia amesh eklogh toy Proedroy ths Dhmokratias apo th bash;

ANTWNAROS: Den prokeitai na kanw kanena sxolio gia thn syntagmatika problepomenh eklogh toy Proedroy ths Dhmokratias, pera apo ta osa eipa hdh. Shmasia exei - - to lew gia mia akomh fora - - h stash toy kommatos ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs poy elaynetai profanws apo mikrokommatikes antilhceis kai dikes toy mikrokommatikes skopimothtes. Kai to paradexetai kai o idios o arxhgos toy, legontas oti qelei na arxisei osonoypw, tis epomenes ebdomades, h proeklogikh periodos. Den ton endiaferei, loipon, oyte h paragwgh oysiastikhs politikhs, oyte h paroysiash oysiastikwn protasewn. Ton endiaferei mono h dikh toy h atzenta. To lew gia mia akomh fora: H boylimia gia thn ejoysia xarakthrizei th symperifora toys. Emeis den prokeitai na toys akoloyqhsoyme. Se kamia periptwsh.

KAKALHS: O Prwqypoyrgos, meta th Synodo Koryfhs toy Marth stis Bryjelles, eixe pei oti ta ektakta metra, ``oi sygkekrimenes politikes'' eixe pei sygkekrimena, poy anakoinwqhkan, exoyn ektakto xarakthra logw twn ektaktwn synqhkwn. O k. Papaqanasioy omws xqes, eipe oti ``ta metra poy labame den einai proswrina, dioti sto orato mellon den problepetai h katastash na beltiwqei''. Ti apo ta dyo isxyei; Ayta ta ektakta metra qa isxysoyn monima h ...

ANTWNAROS: Egw den blepw kamia antifash sta dyo pragmata ta opoia lete.

KAKALHS: Den blepete, e;

ANTWNAROS: Den blepw kamia antifash. Dioti, ti leei o k. Papaqanasioy; Oti den problepetai na beltiwqei h katastash. Afhste na beltiwqei prwta h katastash. Egw sas eipa molis pro oligoy oti orismenoi, aytoi kyriws oi opoioi den hqelan na doyn thn krish, elegan oti den yparxei kamia krish, enw twra speydoyn na poyn oti h krish teleiwse. Liga katalabainan tote, liga deixnoyn na katalabainoyn kai twra. An kai twra, yparxei ysteroboylia.

TSIKRIKA: Na staqoyme ligo sto qema ths laqrometanasteyshs. Xqes o k. Papakwnstantinoy, to PASOK dhladh, epeteqh sthn kybernhsh oti den exei ena strathgiko plaisio sobaro gia to qema ths laqrometanasteyshs kai oti exei xasei xrono, enw qa mporoyse na parei prwtoboylies oysias. Ti apantate sto PASOK;

ANTWNAROS: Kalo qa kanei na diabasei ti pragmatika, oysiastika kai apotelesmatika kanoyme. Kai na mhn eqelotyflei h hgetikh omada toy PASOK kai na mhn protrexei, opws ekane prin apo deka hmeres, kata th deyterh mera toy Symboylioy twn Proedrwn kai Prwqypoyrgwn stis Bryjelles. Opoy, mish wra prin apo thn ekdosh twn telikwn Symperasmatwn, espeyde kapoios ekproswpos, koryfaios, toy kommatos ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs na katakeraynwsei thn kybernhsh oti tipote den eixe petyxei. Kai mish wra argotera bgainoyn ta telika Symperasmata. Kai apodeiknyetai, pera apo opoiadhpote amfisbhthsh, oti oi organwmenes prospaqeies ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs, mazi me alles kybernhseis - - einai gnwsth h prwtoboylia toy ``Quattro'', twn tessarwn xwrwn - - eferan apotelesma. Kai ayta poy elegan oloi oti dhqen den qa symperilhfqoyn sta Symperasmata, einai mesa sta Symperasmata. Kai einai koinh politikh ths Eyrwpaikhs 'Enwshs edw kai deka meres. Ayta loipon, kalo qa kanoyn na ta doyn, na ta diabasoyn prosektika mhpws kai ta afomoiwsoyn kai katalaboyn ti pragmatika symbainei. Giati ta dika toys zigk-zagk emeis den prokeitai na ta akoloyqhsoyme.

ZORMPA: Kyrie Ekproswpe, meta ta osa yposthrije xqes o k. Alogoskoyfhs, anarwtiemai an pragmatika h xwra, h kybernhsh, exei sxedio ejodoy apo thn oikonomikh krish.

ANTWNAROS: Exw anaferqei polles fores sto oloklhrwmeno, sygkrothmeno kai apotelesmatiko sxedio to opoio exoyme. Qa prepei omws na prosqesw gia mia akomh fora ayto poy, nomizw, exei ginei katanohto apo toys perissoteroys 'Ellhnes polites: H krish brisketai se ejelijh. Paroysiazei synexeia diafores kainoyrgies morfes. 'Exei poikiles epiptwseis. Apostolh, loipon, ths kybernhshs einai na parembainei, na kanei tis diorqwseis oi opoies apaitoyntai, wste oi synepeies, afenos, gia th xwra kai toys polites na amblynontai kai afeteroy h xwra na einai etoimh gia thn periodo poy qa bgei apo thn krish, poy qa teleiwsei h krish.

TSIKRIKA: Yparxoyn kapoies fwnes poy lene oti h kybernhsh den qa mporesei, den qa tolmhsei na anoijei thn Olomeleia ton Oktwbrio, qa paei se prowres ekloges. Kai shmera yparxei kai mia endiaferoysa dhlwsh ths kyrias Giannakoy, h opoia pragmatika paradexetai oti oi 151 boyleytes poy exei h kybernhtikh paratajh dyskoleyei to ergo ths kybernhshs. Poio einai to sxolio sas;

ANTWNAROS: Den kanw kanena sxolio. Kanoyme th doyleia mas.

FANIDHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, qa sas rwthsw kai egw kati gia to biblio toy k. Alogoskoyfh. Yphrxe kapoio eidos empargko apo thn kybernhsh pros toys ypoyrgoys; Dioti an ejairesoyme ton k. Xatzhdakh poy briskotan sto panel kai paroysiase to biblio, den yphrje kaneis allos, kati poy den synhqizetai mexri shmera.

ANTWNAROS: Den antilambanomai se ti anafereste. H proseleysh se paroysiash bibliwn, opws gnwrizete, stoys xwroys poy ginetai, einai pantote pantelws eleyqerh.

ZORMPA: Meta toys isxyrismoys toy k. Xristoforakoy poy milhse gia ``ntoyzines argyrwnhtwn politikwn'', hqela na rwthsw an isxyei h kathgorhmatikh kai rhth dhlwsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy proeklogika, oti oyte ena eyrw den exei mpei se tameia ths Neas Dhmokratias.

ANTWNAROS: Isxyei o,ti exei pei o Prwqypoyrgos.

Sas eyxaristw.

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