Greek Government Press Briefing, 09-06-26

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Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Paraskeyh, 26 Ioynioy 2009

Ariqmos Deltioy: 210045282

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O KYBERNHTIKOS EKPROSWPOS

Aqhna, 26 Ioynioy 2009

EYAGGELO ANTWNARO

Geia sas.

O Prwqypoyrgos k. Kwstas Karamanlhs qa milhsei thn Kyriakh to prwi, sthn Kerkyra, sthn Ypoyrgikh Synodo toy Organismoy Asfaleias kai Synergasias sthn Eyrwph, sthn opoia metexoyn, opws gnwrizete, Ypoyrgoi apo oles tis xwres toy Organismoy.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

GKATSIOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, yparxei kapoio sxolio ths kybernhshs oson afora sthn yperaspistikh taktikh poy exoyn epilejei na akoloyqhsoyn oi synhgoroi toy k. Xristoforakoy kai idiaitera sto skelos, symfwna me to opoio kindyneyei h zwh toy prwhn megalostelexoys ths Siemens Hellas, an elqei sthn Ellada;

ANTWNAROS: Den prokeitai bebaiws na asxolhqw me asteiothtes. Ekeino to opoio gnwrizw einai oti h ellhnikh pleyra, h xwra mas, exei kanei oles tis energeies, oi opoies apaitoyntai, prokeimenoy na xyqei apleto fws, opws eipa kai xqes, se ayth thn ypoqesh. Ayto einai poy mas endiaferei.

KAKALHS: Otan lete oti exei kanei oles tis energeies gia na xyqei apleto fws sthn ypoqesh, pws qa xyqei apleto fws, akomh kai sthn periptwsh poy omologhsei o Xristoforakos, h kybernhsh exei frontisei na paragrafoyn oi eyqynes twn politikwn proswpwn poy emplekontai se ayth thn istoria. H kybernhsh oxi mono den exei kanei ayto poy xreiazetai gia na xyqei apleto fws, alla to akribws antiqeto.

ANTWNAROS: Den antilambanomai ton ypainigmo, ton opoio diatypwnete. Epeidh, jerete, polla exoyn grafei kai exoyn eipwqei, h ellhnikh Dikaiosynh kai h ellhnikh Politeia - -to epanalambanw gia mia akomh fora- - exei kanei, ejakoloyqei na kanei kai qa kanei o,ti einai nomimo kai o,ti einai aparaithto, prokeimenoy h ypoqesh ayth na dialeykanqei se baqos.

FANIDHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, me aformh ta nea forologika metra, ta opoia anakoinwqhkan apo ton Ypoyrgo Oikonomias k. Papaqanasioy, hqela na rwthsw, telika ta ``papagalakia'' eixan dikio;

ANTWNAROS: Den jerw an sas aresei na epanalambanete toys isxyrismoys kapoioy sygkekrimenoy kommatos, to opoio profanws parapoiwntas thn pragmatikothta, diatypwnei isxyrismoys oi opoioi den exoyn kamia sxesh me thn pragmatikothta. Qa sas ypenqymisw oti molis treis hmeres prin apo tis eyrwekloges, o Prwqypoyrgos se dhmosia topoqethsh toy eixe pei kati, to opoio den qymamai na exei janaginei se ayth th xwra apo kanena politiko komma, apo kanenan politiko arxhgo. Erwtwmenos, loipon, eipe oti sto telos Ioynioy qa ginei synolikh ektimhsh ths oikonomikhs katastashs kai qa lhfqoyn opoia metra kriqoyn anagkaia gia thn oikonomikh staqerothta ths xwras. Kai ayto egine. Kai ayto qa ginetai opote einai anagkaio. Prokeitai gia mia sygkekrimenh desmeysh ths kybernhshs, giati ekeino to opoio proexei einai na antimetwpistoyn toso ta diarqrwtika problhmata poy exei h xwra kai erxontai apo to parelqon, apo tis kybernhseis toy PASOK - -gnwsta pragmata ayta- - oso kai apo tis synepeies ths dieqnoys oikonomikhs krishs.

Ayto einai to prwtisto kaqhkon to opoio exoyme. Ayth einai h egnoia mas. Kai me ayto to gnwmona poreyomaste kai qa ejakoloyqoyme na poreyomaste. Ola ta alla einai profaseis oi opoies den exoyn kamia sxesh me thn pragmatikothta. Osoi de, ejakoloyqoyn na kleinoyn ta matia sthn pragmatikothta, kalo den kanoyn ston eayto toys, oytws h allws, kalo den kanoyn, omws - -kai ayto einai to xeirotero- - ston topo.

Xqes, o k. Papandreoy milhse gia tesseris ajones, mesa stoys opoioys prepei na kinhqei h prospaqeia wste na janampei h xwra se troxia anaptyjhs. Sas diabazw ton prwto ajona: Antimetwpish ths oikonomikhs ysterhshs ths xwras, xrhmatodothsh kai anadiarqrwsh toy paragwgikoy istoy gia mia nea oikonomia, me aixmh thn prasinh anaptyjh. Parakalw, na th dwsete ayth th frash se merikes xiliades Ellhnes polites kai na toys rwthsete, ti katalabainoyn. Qa sas poyn poly apla oti den katalabainoyn tipote. Dioti h frash ayth einai kenh periexomenoy.

O kosmos, oi Ellhnes polites qeloyn kati poly aplo: Sygkekrimenes draseis, apotelesmatikes draseis, ypeyqynothta. Me pomfolyges kai fraseis oi opoies, opws eipa kai prohgoymenws, einai kenes apo periexomeno, ta problhmata ston topo mas den antimetwpizontai. Kai emeis eimaste apofasismenoi na antapokriqoyme sto kaqhkon, to opoio exoyme kai na paroyme akomh kai metra poy den einai eyxarista.

Ta oikonomika metra den einai eyxarista. Den xairomaste. Alla einai aparaithta gia ton topo. Kai ayto qa ejakoloyqhsoyme na to kanoyme.

KAKALHS: Me sygxwreite, den katalaba, kathgorhsate ton synadelfo gia ``papagalaki'' toy PASOK;

ANTWNAROS: Oxi.

KAKALHS: Ayto akribws ypainixqhkate sthn arxh, otan eipate oti aresketai na anaparagei...

ANTWNAROS: Erwthsh exete;

KAKALHS: Exw erwthsh, alla...

ANTWNAROS: Parakalw. Poia einai h erwthsh sas;

KAKALHS: Kathgoreite toys synadelfoys gia ``papagalakia'' toy PASOK; Mhpws krinete ej idiwn ta allotria;

ANTWNAROS: Asfalws kai oxi.

KAKALHS: Kai kata deyteron, hqela na rwthsw, ayto ennooyse o Prwqypoyrgos otan elege oti elabe to mhnyma twn eklogwn; Nea forologikh epidromh se baros twn laikwn strwmatwn; Dhladh, exei apofasisei h kybernhsh na fygei ``me chla to kefali'';

ANTWNAROS: Einai poly eykolo na apomonwnei kapoios to ena h to allo metro kai na mhn ta blepei synolika. Ta metra, ta opoia anakoinwqhkan xqes, einai synolika. Qa sas qymisw oti mexri xqes to PASOK, opws eipe allwste o k. Papaqanasioy, mas proteine na ayjhsoyme toys foroys stis epixeirhseis kai sta megala eisodhmata. Shmera, mas kathgorei to PASOK kai diaforoi alloi oi opoioi skeftontai san to PASOK, giati epiballontai eidikoi foroi gi` aytoys poy katexoyn aytokinhta megaloy kybismoy kai gia osoys exoyn skafh kai istioploika panw apo 10 kai 15 metra antistoixa. Ayta, einai mia safhs palinwdia kai cellisma diaforwn isxyrismwn. Akomh kai aytoi poy toys diatypwnoyn antilambanontai oti den exoyn kamia bash.

FANIDHS: Nai, k. Ekproswpe, alla den einai etsi akribws ta pragmata. Yparxei forologia sta kinhta, yparxei forologia sth benzinh, yparxei forologia se ekeina ta xamhla kai mesaia eisodhmata, gia ta opoia o Prwqypoyrgos eixe desmeyqei polles fores oti qa ta prostateysei. Pws, loipon, prostateyontai ta eisodhmata otan toys afairoyn xrhmata;

ANTWNAROS: Sas ypenqymizw oti exoyn lhfqei apo ayth thn kybernhsh edw kai pente xronia, dhladh afotoy mas empisteyqhkan oi Ellhnes polites thn eyqynh gia tis tyxes ths xwras, sygkekrimena metra prostasias kai twn xamhlomisqwn kai twn xamhlosyntajioyxwn, metra poy kamia allh kybernhsh sto parelqon den eixe dianohqei na labei.

Epanalambanw gia osoys exoyn asqenh mnhmh:

" Thn ayjhsh toy aforologhtoy kata 20%. Peste moy allh mia kybernhsh poy exei apofasisei kai efarmose tetoio metro.

" Seira metrwn gia thn prostasia ekeinwn poy sthn proodo ths krishs xanoyn, endexomenws, tis doyleies toys, me sygkekrimenes draseis arwghs, opws einai kai h metatroph gia polles dekades xiliades periptwsewn toy epidomatos anergias se epidoma ergasias, apasxolhshs.

Den lew egw oti h katastash sth xwra mas einai rodinh. Kaneis apo emas den to isxyristhke. Kai kaneis apo emas den qa to isxyristei. Alla, se polloys tomeis poy h dieqnhs oikonomikh krish plhttei agria alles xwres - -sas ypenqymizw oti se xwres me poly pio isxyrh oikonomia apo th dikh mas yparxei terastia ptwsh ths biomhxanikhs paragwghs kai ths anaptyjhs me meion 4%-5%- - emeis antiqeta me aytes tis xwres, sto prwto trimhno, monadikh xwra mazi me thn Kypro, eixame mikrh estw, alla en pash periptwsei qetikh anaptyjh. Sas ypenqymizw oti se mia oikonomia, opws thn ispanikh, yparxei anergia poy fqanei to 17%, 18%. Bebaiws, exoyme ayjhsh ths anergias, toy ariqmoy twn anergwn se sxesh me perysi. Alla den exoyme ayth thn ekrhjh thn opoia blepei kaneis, eite sthn Ispania, eite sthn Irlandia.

Exoyme, omws, alla problhmata. Diarqrwtika problhmata. Kai gi` ayto akribws exoyme proanaggeilei diarqrwtikes metarryqmiseis, egkaira, gia na mhn erqei kapoios na pei oti einai aifnidiastikes aytes oi metarryqmiseis poy prepei na ginoyn, opws einai, fer` eipein, oi ryqmiseis gia ta barea kai ta anqygieina epaggelmata, opws einai to anoigma kapoiwn kleistwn epaggelmatwn. Dhladh, allages poy qa prosqesoyn sto dynamismo ths ellhnikhs oikonomias. Kai exoyme, bebaiws, kai th megalh, baria, arnhtikh klhronomia poy afhsan oi kybernhseis toy parelqontos gia to xreos. To xreos katw apo to opoio stenazoyn oi shmerines genies twn Ellhnwn. Ena xreos poy dhmioyrghqhke apo tis kybernhseis toy PASOK. Kai gi` ayto den exoyn oi kyrioi toy PASOK na poyn apolytws tipota.

Emeis, loipon, se ayth thn apostolh mas qa antapokriqoyme me tis dynatothtes poy exei h xwra. H xwra mas den einai mia xwra, opws h Germania h h Gallia h opws alles xwres ths Boreioy Eyrwphs. Exei sygkekrimenes dynatothtes kai mesa se aytes tis dynatothtes qa kanoyme o,ti krinoyme oti einai aparaithto, prokeimenoy na antimetwpistoyn, me ton pio apotelesmatiko tropo, ta problhmata poy eite proekycan apo th dieqnh oikonomikh krish, eite einai klhronomia toy parelqontos.

FANIDHS: Panw se ayto: Profanws, omws, k. Ekproswpe, apo olh ayth thn kalh sas proqesh kai ta erga ta opoia eipate oti exete kanei, ejairoyntai oi dhmosiografoi. Dioti, den ejhgeitai alliws h adraneia sas kai h syneidhth epilogh sas na apexete apo kaqe Meso Enhmerwshs, to opoio protiqetai eite na kleisei, eite na apeilhsei ergazomenoys. Ekei den parembainete gia na prostateysete to ergatiko dynamiko, opws kanate kai sthn periptwsh toy ``Eleyqeroy Typoy'', poy mexri twra exete ekfrasei mono th lyph sas.

ANTWNAROS: Egw ti lew; Oti kai sth sygkekrimenh periptwsh qa efarmostei o,ti problepetai apo thn keimenh nomoqesia. Den mporei kapoia omada na zhtei eidikh metaxeirish.

FANIDHS: Parembash sas zhthsa k. Ekproswpe. Parembash.

ANTWNAROS: Kai sas apantw: H ellhnikh nomoqesia einai eparkhs wste na dinei lyseis.

KAKALHS: Qa epanelqw sto prohgoymeno qema. H kybernhsh milaei gia dikaia kai isorrophmena metra forologika, th stigmh poy synolika esoda 1,9 disekatommyria eyrw poy ypologizei h kybernhsh na sygkentrwsei apo ta nea metra, oi foroi gia toys ``exontes kai katexontes'', oi foroi dhladh gia ta aytokinhta megaloy kybismoy kai skafwn anacyxhs einai 150 ekatommyria. Ola ta ypoloipa aforoyn toys oikonomika asqenesteroys.

ANTWNAROS: Malista. 'Etsi lete;

KAKALHS: Dhladh h ayjhsh toy eidikoy foroy ...

ANTWNAROS: Exete mprosta sas tis epishmes anakoinwseis;

KAKALHS: Nai, ta exw bebaia.

ANTWNAROS: Gia peste moy, loipon.

KAKALHS: Diakosia ekatommyria einai apo ton eidiko foro katanalwshs benzinhs. 140 einai apo thn ayjhsh telwn kinhths thlefwnias. 180 einai apo to foro sta kerdh sta tyxera paixnidia k.lp.,klp.

ANTWNAROS: Peste moy, loipon. Giati mexri stigmhs exoyme ftasei sta 600. Ta ypoloipa 1.300 poy einai;

KAKALHS: H ryqmish hmiypaiqriwn xwrwn einai ena 1 dis 150 ekatommyria.

ANTWNAROS: Ayto shmainei oti panw apo to miso afora...

KAKALHS: Allh mia erwthsh gia thn anergia. Egw den tassomai yper ths eidikhs metaxeirishs twn dhmosiografwn, alla oi dhmosiografoi san anergoi dikaioyntai (den akoygetai)... Egw zhtaw metra prostasias gia oloys toys anergoys, poy den pairnete. Dhladh kai gia na pagwsoyn ta daneia toys epiprosqeta metra ta opoia h kybernhsh den pairnei kai diafora alla metra ta opoia exoyn proteinei kai oi idioi oi ergazomenoi ston ELEYQERO TYPO. Se ayta h kybernhsh, den zhtane kai kapoia eidikh metaxeirish oi ergazomenoi ap'o,ti exw katalabei, zhtane enisxymena metra ta opoia profanws qa isxysoyn gia oloys toys anergoys.

ANTWNAROS: Den antilambanomai ti qelete na moy peite.

KAKALHS: Gia oloys toys anergoys enisxymena metra prostasias, metajy aytwn kai oi dhmosiografoi bebaia.

ANTWNAROS: Sas eipa oti h ellhnikh nomoqesia problepei gia ekeinoys poy xanoyn tis doyleies toys ena eparkes dixty asfaleias. Qa isxysei o,ti problepetai sthn keimenh nomoqesia. Den exw na pw kati allo.

KAKALHS: Ton teleytaio kairo omws exoyn xaqei xiliades qeseis staqerhs kai monimhs ergasias, opws, as poyme, blepoyme edw sthn Emporikh xanontai 1.500 qeseis, ston OSE xanontai 3.000, ston ELEYQERO TYPO 500, lew kapoia xarakthristika paradeigmata, alla sta metra poy pairnei h kybernhsh gia thn anergia den problepetai h dhmioyrgia kamias neas qeshs ergasias.

ANTWNAROS: Kanete laqos.

KAKALHS: Mono qeseis merikhs apasxolhshs kai stage.

ANTWNAROS: Kanete laqos. Qa sas proskomisw ola ta noymera gia tis kainoyrgies qeseis ergasias poy dhmioyrghqhkan to teleytaio, an qelete, ejamhno.

KAKALHS: Na mas ferete poies einai staqerhs kai monimhs apasxolhshs.

ANTWNAROS: Bebaiws kai qa sas ta ferw.

KAKALHS: (Den akoygetai)

ANTWNAROS: Alla, ektos toytoy, epeidh anaferqhkate ston OSE, qa hqela na sas pw to ejhs: Profanws eseis eiste apo ekeinoys poy den exoyn kamia antirrhsh na epibarynontai oloi oi 'Ellhnes polites, oloi oi 'Ellhnes forologoymenoi kaqe mhna me ena poso arketwn ekatommyriwn eyrw.

KAKALHS: Eseis dhmioyrghsate to elleimma. Den to dhmioyrghsan oi ergazomenoi gia na plhrwsoyn aytoi. To elleimma ston OSE den to dhmioyrghsan oi ergazomenoi.

ANTWNAROS: Emeis pisteyoyme oti prepei na apallajoyme toys 'Ellhnes forologoymenoys, toys 'Ellhnes polites apo ayto to dysbastaxto baros. Ta metra ta opoia anakoinwse o k. Stylianidhs gia thn ejygiansh toy sygkekrimenoy organismoy, einai plhrh, einai sfairika kai einai pros ofelos kai toy Organismoy kai toy koinwnikoy synoloy kai ths oikonomias.

XRHSTAKOS: Qelw na rwthsw an syzhthqhke, an oxi sth xqesinh syskech, tis teleytaies hmeres gia to qema sto opoio mas eixate kanei anakoinwseis pro kairoy gia thn sygxwneysh h katarghsh Organismwn kai genikotera gia to qema spatalhs sto dhmosio tomea poy einai kai ayto ena kommati ths dhmosionomikhs politikhs;

ANTWNAROS: Ayto exei apofasistei. Prokeitai gia th sygxwneysh h katarghsh 255 apo synolika 630 Organismoys h foreis toy dhmosioy tomea. Ayto exei apofasistei, proxwrei kai eimaste ayth th stigmh sto deytero stadio ths ylopoihshs, poy - - an qymamai kalws apo ta stoixeia poy exw - - prepei na ylopoihqei entos tetramhnoy. Meta qa proxwrhsei to deytero stadio gia endexomenws alloys Organismoys. Ayto, loipon, to qema den einai kati poy prepei na janasyzhthqei. Ayto exei parei to dromo toy kai ginetai prajh. Ayto to qema, loipon, den syzhthqhke xqes, giati opws sas eipa, einai oloklhrwmeno.

KAKALHS: Me sygxwreite, tis ryqmiseis poy anaferate, tis metarryqmiseis gia ta barea kai to anoigma kleistwn epaggelmatwn, pote qa tis proxwrhsei h kybernhsh; Mesa sto kalokairi;

ANTWNAROS: Otan oloklhrwqoyn oles oi diaboyleyseis poy einai aparaithtes. Ta exei pei o Prwqypoyrgos. Ayth einai desmeysh ths kybernhshs kai qa ginei.

KAKALHS: Yparxei xronodiagramma;

ANTWNAROS: Den exw sygkekrimeno xronodiagramma. Otan oloklhrwqoyn, pantws, stoys epomenoys mhnes.

Sas eyxaristw.

Kalo Sabbatokyriako.

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