Greek Government Press Briefing, 09-06-02

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From: The Hellenic Ministry of Press & Mass Media <http://www.minpress.gr/>

Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Trith, 2 Ioynioy 2009

Ariqmos Deltioy: 205621595

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O KYBERNHTIKOS EKPROSWPOS

Aqhna, 2 Ioynioy 2009

EYAGGELO ANTWNARO

Geia sas.

Ayrio, Tetarth 3 Ioynioy stis 12.00, qa synedriasei sto Megaro Majimoy, ypo thn proedria toy Prwqypoyrgoy k. Kwsta Karamanlh, h Kybernhtikh Epitroph. Gia to qema qa enhmerwqeite argotera.

Ayrio to apogeyma, o Prwqypoyrgos qa metabei sth Qessalonikh, prokeimenoy na milhsei se proeklogikh sygkentrwsh.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

KALARYTHS: H xqesinh apanthsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy se synenteyjh toy ston k. Xatzhnikolaoy, sto erwthma an qa meinei, efoson xasei tis eqnikes ekloges, ``qa meinw, an me qeloyn'', ayto eipe, ti akribws shmainei; Mporeite na ginete ligo pio sygkekrimenos;

ANTWNAROS: Ayto akribws poy katalabate. O Prwqypoyrgos, eipe to aytonohto. Deixnei, akribws, th dhmokratikh eyaisqhsia poy exei o Prwqypoyrgos. Einai kati poly aplo. To aytonohto den qelei ejhghseis. As mhn jexname oti o Prwqypoyrgos exei eklegei dyo fores apo ton ellhniko lao - -opws eipe kai o idios kai to qewrei megalh timh- - prokeimenoy na exei o idios thn eyqynh ths diakybernhshs ths xwras. Ayto, akribws, deixnei thn empistosynh poy ekfrazoyn oi Ellhnes polites sto proswpo toy Prwqypoyrgoy kai sto komma ths Neas Dhmokratias.

KALARYTHS: To ``an me qeloyn'' afora profanws to eswteriko ths Neas Dhmokratias, giati tis ekloges qa tis exei xasei.

ANTWNAROS: Afora oloys aytoys oi opoioi apofasizoyn an kapoios einai na ginei Prwqypoyrgos, na meinei Prwqypoyrgos kai na einai arxhgos enos kommatos. Sto komma ths Neas Dhmokratias prytaneyoyn, opws gnwrizete, dhmokratikes diadikasies. Sas lew oti prospaqeite na apodwsete periexomeno to opoio den yparxei.

KAKALHS: Qewrw asteio kai kwmiko, eipe o Prwqypoyrgos kai na legetai oti mia kybernhsh zhthse apo tis yphresies ths na kaqysterhsoyn pragmata gia na prolabei o peri oy o logos na fygei apo th xwra. Ayto eipe gia th diafygh toy k. Karabela. Alla, giati den einai kwmiko kai mallon kwmikotragiko, thn idia stigmh h kybernhsh na mhn kanei tipote kai na afhnei na diafeygoyn sto ejwteriko ypodikoi gia thn ypoqesh ayth, dyo basikoi kathgoroymenoi gia thn ypoqesh ths Siemens kai giati den einai kwmiko kai kwmikotragiko taytoxrona, na kleinei h Boylh h na mh ginetai tipote kai na paragrafontai oi poinikes eyqynes twn Ypoyrgwn.

ANTWNAROS: Oson afora to deytero qema poy qesate, sas parapempw sthn apanthsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy. Einai plhrhs, safhs kai pera apo opoiadhpote amfisbhthsh.

Oson afora to prwto qema: Apodidete sthn kybernhsh armodiothtes tis opoies den exei. Giati lete oti h kybernhsh ekane, h kybernhsh den ekane, h kybernhsh eprepe na kanei. Ayto einai qema ths Dikaiosynhs. Kai egw, opws gnwrizete, th leitoyrgia ths anejarthths kai aytonomhs Dikaiosynhs sthn Ellada - -poy einai enas apo treis pylwnes ths Dhmokratias mas- - den th sxoliazw pote. Kai den qa to kanw oyte kai shmera.

KAKALHS: Me sygxwreite, htan to epixeirhma toy Prwqypoyrgoy gia th diafygh.

ANTWNAROS: Htan h apanthsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy se sxetikh erwthsh.

TSIOYFOS: Einai profanes oti einai armodiothta ths Dikaiosynhs na apagoreysei h na mhn apagoreysei se kapoion thn ejodo apo th xwra. Alla, gia na to prolabei, gia na leitoyrghsei h Dikaiosynh prepei na exei enhmerwqei gi` ayta poy gnwrize h kybernhsh se o,ti afora thn ypoqesh ths diafyghs toy k. Karabela. Kai ayto egine kaqysterhmena. Etsi den einai;

ANTWNAROS: Prwton, gi` ayta ta qemata exw topoqethqei apo xqes, eparkestata me oles tis leptomereies. Lypamai poy den hsaste edw.

TSIOYFOS: Nai, to lew giati eipate oti einai qema ths Dikaiosynhs. H Dikaiosynh qa leitoyrgoyse...

ANTWNAROS: Deyteron, oson afora th sygkekrimenh ypoqesh. Opws eipe o Prwqypoyrgos xqes - -to epanalambanw kai egw gia mia akomh fora shmera- - o en logw fygodikos einai ypoptos gia prajeis oi opoies dienerghqhsan kata th diakybernhsh ths xwras apo to PASOK. Ekeinh einai h periodos poy eginan oi megales anaqeseis me oroys poy an mh ti allo, einai amfisbhthsimoi. Ekeinh einai h periodos poy eginan oi programmatikes symfwnies me oroys poy gia mas einai syzhthsimoi.

Synepws, h kybernhsh - -efoson lete gia thn kybernhsh, gia thn opoia egw apantw oti den exei armodiothta ep` aytoy- - den exei kanena apolytws logo, kanena apolytws kinhtro na parempodisei, na dieykolynei h na kanei kati allo sxetika me tis kinhseis toy en logw proswpoy. Qa prepei, loipon, na anarwthqoyn aytoi oi opoioi spernoyn diafores plhrofories, ti exoyn na krycoyn oi idioi. Kai anaferomai sto komma ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs. Aytoys afora.

To na prospaqoyn, loipon, twra na allajoyn, opws leme sthn koinh glwssa thn atzenta, den boleyei se tipote. Mia ypoxrewsh exei to komma ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs kai ena pragma xrwstaei stoys Ellhnes polites: Na leei thn alhqeia kai na pei to programma toy. Kai epeidh to komma ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs den exei kanena sygkekrimeno sxedio, prospaqei me diafores parelkystikes kinhseis kai egeirontas qemata ta opoia den exoyn kanena apolytws antikeimeno, na qolwsei th genikh eikona.

Kala qa kanei, loipon, to komma ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs na afhsei th Dikaiosynh na kanei th doyleia ths. Kai na mhn petietai o enas h o allos ekproswpos toy san kokoraki na ektojeyei diafores kathgories. Ean yphrje, sas to eipa kai xqes, kapoia dioikhtikh kaqysterhsh, ayto qa to brei h dioikhtikh ereyna. Ta stoixeia ta elegxei h Dikaiosynh kai h Dikaiosynh qa kanei th doyleia ths.

TSIOYFOS: Pantws kyrie Ekproswpe, me sygxwreite, alla o k. Karabelas Genikos Dieyqynths ths Siemens htan kai thn periodo 1990-1993, etsi den einai; Leei...

ANTWNAROS: Egw den gnwrizw to akribes xroniko diasthma. Gnwrizw omws ...

TSIOYFOS: Einai kai stis dyo periodoys o k. Karabelas.

ANTWNAROS: Egw den gnwrizw pote htan.

TSIOYFOS: Pws den gnwrizete;

ANTWNAROS: Gnwrizw omws oti thn periodo 1990-1993 - - kai sas parapempw stis dhlwseis toy tote Prwqypoyrgoy k. Mhtsotakh - - den synhfqhsan symfwnies. Antiqetws, oi symfwnies eginan molis egine h kybernhtikh allagh, sto telos toy 1993. Symfwnies tis opoies h tote kybernhsh den qelhse na kanei, tis ekane h kainoyrgia kybernhsh toy Andrea Papandreoy, molis hrqe sthn ejoysia. Ayta ta stoixeia loipon, einai pera apo opoiadhpote amfisbhthsh.

KAKALHS: Tote eginan oi megales symfwnies epi kybernhshs PASOK, alla eseis pote den apokalycate kati panw s' aytes. Antiqeta, tis ektelesate kai tis ylopoihsate oles sto akeraio. Epipleon, den stamathsan pote na ginontai symbaseis me thn Siemens kai epi diakybernhshs ths Neas Dhmokratias. Synexise h Siemens na pairnei doyleies, nomima panta, alla nomima ypotiqetai oti epairne kai to PASOK.

ANTWNAROS: 'H kanete oti den gnwrizete h endexomenws den gnwrizete. Sas lew loipon, gia mia akomh fora: Oles oi apofaseis gia thn chfiopoihsh, oles oi apofaseis gia thn promhqeia pollwn chfiakwn kentrwn, oles oi programmatikes symfwnies, oles oi symfwnies gia ta olympiaka erga, eginan epi twn kybernhsewn toy PASOK. Teleia kai payla.

KAKALHS: To C4I, tis symbaseis, tis anaqeseis ths DEH, diafores alles ypoqeseis poios tis ypegrace;

ANTWNAROS: Jexnate profanws oti h shmerinh kybernhsh parelabe ta en logw pragmata se mia katastash kykewna kai ta epanadiapragmateythke gia megalo xroniko diasthma.

KAKALHS: Apokalycate kati to paranomo; Kati to mempto;

ANTWNAROS: H epanadiapragmateysh kati shmainei.

KATSABOY: Kyrie Ekproswpe, fainetai oti yparxei ``mia antidikia'' anamesa ths Ypoyrgoy Ejwterikwn kai toy Ypoyrgoy Dikaiosynhs oson afora th diadikasia kai to xrono poy eftase to perifhmo thlegrafhma. Exete kapoia eikona eseis;

ANTWNAROS: Egw gnwrizw tis epishmes anakoinwseis. Kai gnwrizw oti to Ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn ejedwse xqes anakoinwsh, h opoia leei oti dietaxqh EDE. Ayto einai safes. Den exw na pw kati allo. Den blepw, synepws, kamia antidikia.

KAKALHS: Kai kati allo gia thn kyria Ntora Mpakogiannh. Eipate oti analambanei akeraia thn politikh eyqynh. Ayto sthn prajh ti shmainei; Oti analambanei frastika thn politikh eyqynh kai teleiwse ekei h ypoqesh; H oti analambanei thn politikh eyqynh enanti toy kosmoy, as poyme;

ANTWNAROS: Sas eipa oti qa elegxqei poy akribws, se dioikhtiko epipedo, yphrje - - an yphrje- - kaqysterhsh. To na apodidoyme se ena deytereyon qema shmasia kai na xanoyme to dasos prospaqwntas na doyme ena dendro, den ejyphretei tipote sthn ypoqesh. Ekeino poy exei shmasia einai oi anqrwpoi oi opoioi exoyn, endexomenws, ypopesei se paranomes prajeis, na ypostoyn tis synepeies poy problepei o nomos. Ayto den qa to krinw egw.

KALARYTHS: Qa hqela ena sxolio gia tis xqesinobradines syllhceis syggenikwn proswpwn toy k. Karabela, dioti jerw oti den sxoliazete apofaseis ths Dikaiosynhs (den akoygetai), alla yparxei h aisqhsh oti einai mia yperantidrash sthn kritikh poy dexqhke h kybernhsh kai h Dikaiosynh gia to gegonos oti dyo basikoi kathgoroymenoi kataferan na diafygoyn.

ANTWNAROS: Opws swsta eipate, den sxoliazw pote leitoyrgies ths Dikaiosynhs. Kai eimai bebaios oti h Dikaiosynh kanei th doyleia ths. Oi diwktikes Arxes, otan probainoyn se tetoies energeies, diaqetoyn profanws ta aparaithta stoixeia.

KAKALHS: Kapoioi lene oti aytes oi kinhseis ths Dikaiosynhs empneontai apo th fasistikh antilhch peri oikogeneiakhs eyqynhs thn opoia exete apodokimasei kai eseis san kybernhsh sto parelqon. Ayto...

ANTWNAROS: Asfalws kai den yparxei kati tetoio. Sas eipa...

KAKALHS: Ayta ta nyxterina entalmata, omws, pws ejhgoyntai;

ANTWNAROS: Sas eipa oti eimai bebaios oti oi diwktikes arxes oi opoies probainoyn se tetoies energeies, qa diaqetoyn ta aparaithta stoixeia.

Sas eyxaristw.

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