Greek Government Press Briefing, 09-05-28

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Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Pempth, 28 Maioy 2009

Ariqmos Deltioy: 204677779

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O KYBERNHTIKOS EKPROSWPOS

Aqhna, 28 Maioy 2009

EYAGGELO ANTWNARO

Kalhmera sas.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

PALAIOLOGOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, ypoqetw oti qa eidate th xqesinh thleoptikh synenteyjh toy Prwqypoyrgoy sto MEGA kai ston k. Pretenterh. Etsi den einai; Xqes, ap` o,ti katalaba egw, h aisqhsh poy doqhke apo th synenteyjh einai oti aqwwse ton prwhn Prwqypoyrgo k. Kwsta Shmith. Yparxei kapoios logos poy egine ayto;

ANTWNAROS: Parakalw na diabasete prosektika thn apomagnhtofwnhsh ths synenteyjhs.

PALAIOLOGOS: Omologw oti thn exw mprosta moy.

ANTWNAROS: Wraia tote. Den exw na pw kati, peran twn oswn eipe o Prwqypoyrgos.

PALAIOLOGOS: Na epimeinw se ayto omws...

ANTWNAROS: Mporeite na epimeinete. Kai egw epimenw se osa sas eipa.

FANIDHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, allazoyme h boyliazoyme; Poia einai h apanthsh sas;

ANTWNAROS: Den sxoliazoyme pote eswterika allwn kommatwn.

PALAIOLOGOS: Gia poio logo egine me kaqysterhsh ayth h aqwwsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy toy k. Shmith; Xreiasthke na perasoyn, an qymamai tote, apo to 2003, eji oloklhra xronia...

ANTWNAROS: Parakalw, na diabasete olh thn apanthsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy, h opoia ejhgei akribws peri tinos prokeitai.

KAKALHS: Mexri twra h kybernhsh elege oti den tiqetai qema Asfalistikoy. Prepei prwta na efarmostei o nomos poy exei chfistei kai blepoyme. Xqes, o Prwqypoyrgos, opws eixan problecei kai ta ``papagalakia'' ths KOMISION kai toy Dieqnoys Nomismatikoy Tameioy, anoije qema Asfalistikoy, qetontas zhthma kai paratashs toy ergasimoy bioy kai anatrophs se Barea kai Anqygieina. Ti allaje... ;

ANTWNAROS: Profanws, den exete parakoloyqhsei oles tis prosfates dhmosies omilies kai topoqethseis toy Prwqypoyrgoy. Diaforetika, qa eixate diapistwsei oti to qema twn Barewn kai Anqygieinwn exei teqei, nomizw, pro pentamhnoy-ejamhnoy. Anaferqhke proxqes sthn omilia toy o Prwqypoyrgos, se ena synedrio poy egine edw, se jenodoxeio apenanti apo ayto to xwro, kai exoyme pei oti bebaiws yparxoyn anoixta qemata sto Asfalistiko. Den einai kati to opoio exoyme apokrycei.

Egine sygkekrimenh doyleia me thn prosfath asfalistikh metarryqmish kai aforoyse ston ejorqologismo twn Tameiwn poy yphrxan: Apo ekaton trianta peripoy, perioristhkan se dekatria. Kai ayto egine gia na ejoikonomhqoyn poroi kai na leitoyrgoyn ta Tameia poly pio apotelesmatika, poly pio oysiastika gia oloys toys asfalismenoys.

RABANOS: Na jefygoyme ligo apo th synenteyjh toy Prwqypoyrgoy kai na sas paw se allo qema poy exei mpei sthn proeklogikh atzenta kai to ebale kai o Proedros toy PASOK xqes, sto qema ths laqrometanasteyshs. Eixame ta epeisodia pro hmerwn sto kentro ths Aqhnas. Qa hqela na rwthsw, an problhmatizoyn thn kybernhsh ayta ta epeisodia, me dedomeno oti ayrio exoyme kai mia poreia sto kentro ths Aqhnas kai poia qa einai h stash ths kybernhshs, sta aithmata twn laqrometanastwn, opws paradeigmatos xarh sto tzami, sto nekrotafeio. Kai ena deytero, o k. Papandreoy kathgorhse thn kybernhsh gia apoysia organwmenhs metanasteytikhs politikhs. Ti apanta h kybernhsh ep` aytoy;

ANTWNAROS: O k. Papandreoy, profanws, exei jexasei oti gia polla xronia htan Ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn kai eixe ena meros ths politikhs eyqynhs gia thn askhsh ayths ths politikhs, thn opoia twra jafnika anakalyce.

Na sas ypenqymisw oti h shmerinh kybernhsh toy Kwsta Karamanlh kai oi armodioi Ypoyrgoi, efarmozoyn oysiastikh metanasteytikh politikh. Briskontai se diarkh epikoinwnia kai diaboyleysh me toys antistoixoys Ypoyrgoys twn allwn eyrwpaikwn xwrwn kai syzhtoyn to qema to opoio exei ejelixqei me poly grhgoroys ryqmoys ta teleytaia xronia.

Gnwrizete oti h Ellada, logw ths gewgrafikhs ths qeshs einai mia xwra eisodoy kai oxi telikoy proorismoy pollwn ekatontadwn xiliadwn metanastwn. Kyriws oikonomikwn metanastwn apo xwres eite anatolikes pros thn Ellada - -kai ennow kai xwres asiatikes, den ennow mono th geitonikh Toyrkia- - alla kai xwres poy briskontai notia apo thn Ellada. Kai h Ellada prwtostatei, opws gnwrizete, se eyrwpaiko epipedo, mazi me alles xwres sthn epejergasia ekeinwn twn kanonwn, alla kai twn koinwn mhxanismwn, oi opoioi qa symbaloyn apofasistika se kalytero elegxo twn mh Eyrwpaiwn politwn, dhladh, twn politwn apo trites xwres, oi opoioi eite eiserxontai, eite epixeiroyn na eiselqoyn paranoma ston eyrwpaiko xwro.

Oson afora to sygkekrimeno qema to opoio me rwthsate: Gnwrizete oti h ellhnikh Politeia exei apodeijei diaxronika pws sebetai apolyta th qrhskeytikh eleyqeria kaqenos kai katadikazei, me ton pio kathgorhmatiko tropo, opoiadhpote morfh prosbolhs ayths ths eleyqerias.

Kaqe energeia poy synista mia tetoia prosbolh synanta - -eimai bebaios gi` ayto- - thn apolyth apodokimasia ths ellhnikhs koinwnias, poy paradosiaka dexetai filojena stoys kolpoys ths anqrwpoys diaforetikhs fylhs h diaforetikhs qrhskeias, me to dedomeno bebaia oti oloi osoi erxontai ston topo mas, sebontai toys nomoys ths xwras poy toys ypodexetai kai symperiferontai analoga.

KAKALHS: Ektos apo to na katadikazete frastika thn prosbolh ths qrhskeytikhs eleyqerias toy kaqenos, sthn prajh brhkate ton enoxo gi` ayth thn prajh toy skisimatos toy Koranioy kai an ton timwrhsate;

ANTWNAROS: Oi diwktikes Arxes kanoyn o,ti einai aparaithto.

GKATSIOS: Na erqw se ena deytero dillhma, to ``sosialismos h barbarothta'' poy exei qesei o Proedros toy PASOK. Xqes, sth synenteyjh poy paraxwrhse, xarakthrise olisqhma thn apodomhsh toy synqhmatos aytoy apo thn kybernhsh. Exete kapoio sxolio;

ANTWNAROS: Olisqhma einai to gegonos oti o k. Papandreoy kai h hgetikh toy omada ejakoloyqoyn na prospaqoyn, xwris na to katafernoyn bebaia, na xwrizoyn toys Ellhnes polites, toys Ellhnes chfoforoys, se diafores kathgories.

PALAIOLOGOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, egw na epanelqw sth synenteyjh toy Prwqypoyrgoy. To gegonos oti ekane, xqes, qetikh anafora gia to proswpo toy k. Shmith, toy prokatoxoy toy, afhnei na ennohqei oti einai stis skeceis, stis proqeseis toy h sto pisw meros toy myalo toy na ton proteinei ws ton epomeno Proedro ths Dhmokratias;

ANTWNAROS: Kanete ypoqeseis, oi opoies den exoyn kamia bash.

PALAIOLOGOS: H qetikh anafora, omws, einai mia pragmatikothta.

ANTWNAROS: Sas eipa: Kanete ypoqeseis oi opoies den exoyn kamia bash.

KAKALHS: Me aformh kai to qema me to anoigma toy Asfalistikoy poy edwse o Prwqypoyrgos, alla kai thn apanthsh poy edwse me to pagwma twn misqwn, pros apodeijh toy oti den logariazei to politiko kostos kai to pagwma twn misqwn kai to pagwma twn syntajewn, h kybernhsh exei skefqei to endexomeno mhpws h antilaikh politikh poy efarmozei eyqynetai gia thn aposyspeirwsh ths eklogikhs ths epirrohs;

ANTWNAROS: H kybernhsh politeyetai kaq` olh th diarkeia ths diakybernhshs ths me ena tropo poy epideiknyei idiaiterh eyaisqhsia se aytoys oi opoioi exoyn pragmatikh anagkh. Se aytoys poy exoyn toys xamhloteroys misqoys, se aytoys poy eisprattoyn tis xamhloteres syntajeis.

Kai ayto fanhke molis prosfata, kata thn epejergasia ths eisodhmatikhs politikhs, kaqws ekeinoi poy pairnoyn toys xamhloteroys misqoys kai tis xamhloteres syntajeis, einai aytoi poy ejaireqhkan kai phran ayjhseis shmantikes - -milaw panta gia ta oikonomika dedomena ths xwras...

KAKALHS: Den phran ayjhseis. Epidomata phran.

ANTWNAROS: H oysia einai oti aytoi ejaireqhkan. Akribws giati h kybernhsh plhsiazei ayta ta qemata me idiaiterh eyaisqhsia. Kai den qa prepei na jexna kapoios oti aytes oi apofaseis lhfqhkan mesa sto plaisio ths genikoterhs oikonomikhs krishs. Ths oikonomikhs krishs h opoia exei fqasei fysika kai sth xwra mas kai exei synepeies.

Qa hqela, epishs, na sas ypenqymisw oti h shmerinh kybernhsh einai ekeinh poy ayjhse shmantika kai to EKAS kai th syntajh toy OGA. Apallaje toys Ellhnes polites apo to LAFKA. Ekane epistrofes toy LAFKA, xwris na exei desmeyqei na kanei kati tetoio. Ayjhse shmantika to aforologhto poso, apo 10.000 se 12.000 eyrw, kati poy den eixe kanei h prohgoymenh kybernhsh. Ekane, dhladh, mia ayjhsh ths tajhs toy 20%. Kai epipleon kanei o,ti mporei kai me eidika programmata, ta opoia exei epejergastei kai efarmozei hdh - -kai qa synexizei na efarmozei to armodio Ypoyrgeio- - gia th sthrijh ths ergasias me tropo wste oi apwleies apo th dieqnh oikonomikh krish na einai oso to dynaton ligoteres.

Ayto, allwste, fainetai kai sta epishma stoixeia. Edw, se ayth thn periptwsh, oi ariqmoi den mporoyn na diaceystoyn apo kanenan. H Ellada antimetwpizei to problhma me ligoteres apwleies apo o,ti alles sygkrisimes - -alla kai alles poly megalyteres kai isxyroteres oikonomika- - xwres sthn Eyrwph.

Kai ayto einai poy metraei: Na eisai kala proetoimasmenos gia na antimetwpizeis ta problhmata. Eidika otan prokeitai gia tetoia problhmata poy kaneis, ma kaneis apolytws, den eixe problecei.

KATSABOY: Kyrie Ekproswpe, exete balei kapoion phxh gia th shmerinh anametrhsh twn arxhgwn sto debate;

ANTWNAROS: Gnwrizete oti oi syzhthseis sthn thleorash den ginontai me ayton ton tropo. Ti paei na pei an exoyme balei kapoion phxh; O Prwqypoyrgos, opws panta, me parrhsia, me thn eilikrineia poy ton diakrinei, me thn amesothta poy xarakthrizei thn ekfora toy logoy toy, qa topoqethqei se ola ta erwthmata poy qa toy qesoyn sto plaisio twn eji enothtwn poy exoyn symfwnhqei, oi parontes dhmosiografoi. Kai eimai bebaios, oti opws kai xqes sthn thleoptikh synenteyjh, qa dwsei plhreis apanthseis se ola ta qemata.

PALAIOLOGOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, qewreite oti h xqesinh anafora, apanthsh, toy Prwqypoyrgoy sthn erwthsh gia thn ypoqesh, gia to skandalo toy Batopaidioy, synista aytokritikh ek meroys toy; Mia deyterh, as to poyme, aytokritikh;

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na kanw kanena sxolio gia th synenteyjh toy Prwqypoyrgoy. Exete to plhres keimeno mprosta sas. Eimai bebaios oti qa to exete binteoskophsei kiolas, gia na to blepete jana kai jana kai na to empedwsete kai na mporesete na bgalete ola ta aparaithta symperasmata.

KAKALHS: Me dedomenh thn parrhsia kai thn amesothta toy logoy toy Prwqypoyrgoy, opws eipate, giati den dinei diakanalikh synenteyjh o Prwqypoyrgos; Pisteyete oti exoyn ejantlhqei ta erwthmata h oti exei apanthsei se ola;

ANTWNAROS: O Prwqypoyrgos apanthse xqes - - kai to edeije me safhneia poy den mporei kaneis na amfisbhthsei - - se ola ta erwthmata poy toy eqesan. O kaqe politikos arxhgos epilegei o idios ton tropo me ton opoio qelei na epikoinwnhsei me toys polites.

KAKALHS: Ara, pisteyete oti den yparxoyn alla erwthmata gia na apanthqoyn.

ANTWNAROS: O Prwqypoyrgos apanta se ola ta erwthmata. To exei apodeijei epaneilhmmenws.

KAKARNIAS: Sth synenteyjh poy edwse o k. Papandreoy xqes, rwthqhke metajy allwn kai gia thn ekproswphsh twn apodhmwn. Yposthrije oti oi protaseis toy PASOK htan kales kai telos pantwn h kybernhsh exei adiko, prospaqei na paroysiasei to PASOK ws empodio sthn prospaqeia ayth. Exete na kanete kapoio sxolio;

ANTWNAROS: To PASOK, gia mia akomh fora, den antapokriqhke sto qesmiko rolo, ton opoio exei: Na symprajei, opws ofeile - - kai opws ofeilei - - se mia prwtoboylia, poy fysika analambanei h kybernhsh.

H kybernhsh exei thn ypoxrewsh na nomoqethsei en prokeimenw kai to PASOK na symprajei se ena sxedio nomoy, to opoio einai aparaithto wste na apokthsoyn oi Ellhnes yphkooi, oi opoioi zoyn ektos twn oriwn ths xwras, to dikaiwma na chfizoyn ekei opoy pragmatika zoyn. Eixame pei kai tote oti to sxedio ayto einai plhres. Exei thn apodoxh ths syntriptikhs pleiochfias twn forewn, oi opoioi erwthqhkan. To PASOK me thn arnhsh toy, me th mh symprajh toy, sterhse apo toys Ellhnes omogeneis ayth th dynatothta. Kai eixame pei - - to ypenqymizw, giati to PASOK protimaei na to jexnaei - - oti asfalws qa dokimazotan apo to 2011 kai meta, opote eprokeito na efarmostei ayth h ryqmish. Qa dokimazotan, loipon, ayth h ryqmish sthn prajh kai an krinotan oti xreiazontai kapoies diorqwtikes parembaseis nomoqetikoy xarakthra, aytes qa ginontan. Den exei, loipon, kamia dikaiologia to PASOK gia th stash toy.

KAKALHS: Mporeite na mas peite poio htan to antikeimeno ths episkechs toy k. Papaqanasioy sto Berolino kai h synanthsh toy me ton Germano omologo toy kai an alhqeyoyn oi plhrofories oti egine sta plaisia ths antimetwpishs toy elleimmatos apo meria ths kybernhshs. An dhladh, gia ton tropo poy qa deijei h kybernhsh to elleimma to epomeno diasthma.

ANTWNAROS: Oi epikoinwnies metajy twn Ypoyrgwn Oikonomikwn twn xwrwn ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs kai idiws ths Eyrwzwnhs einai syxnes, pyknes kai synhqeis.

KAKALHS: Pote eixe janapaei;

ANTWNAROS: Ayto poy lete, akribws enisxyei to epixeirhma moy. Enas logos parapanw o k. Papaqanasioy, o opoios brisketai sxetika mikro diasthma se ayth th qesh, na kallierghsei, na exei akomh pio stenes epafes me toys Germanoys omologoys toy.

KAKALHS: Ayto ginetai twra...

ANTWNAROS: Ayto ginetai synhqws. Eite den qeloyn orismenoi na to katalaboyn, eite den einai plhroforhmenoi orismenoi gia to pws leitoyrgei h Eyrwpaikh Enwsh. Etsi leitoyrgei h Eyrwpaikh Enwsh: Me synexeis antallages apocewn kai synexeis synergasies se ola ta epipeda.

Sas eyxaristw.

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