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Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Deytera, 13 Aprilioy 2009

Ariqmos Deltioy: 196438364

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O KYBERNHTIKOS EKPROSWPOS

Aqhna, 13 Aprilioy 2009

EYAGGELO ANTWNARO

Geia sas. Sas eyxomai kalh Megalh Ebdomada.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

ALEIFEROPOYLOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, o Prwqypoyrgos epaneilhmmena kai se dhmosies omilies toy, alla kai se Ypoyrgika Symboylia, exei epishmanei stoys Ypoyrgoys toy oti qa prepei na exoyn enan tropo zwhs tetoio poy na mhn prokalei. Qewreite oti einai semno kai tapeino h apokalych oti o k. Stylianidhs gia treis hmeres tajidioy sto Parisi, jodece 19.000 eyrw, dhmosieyma to opoio emfanizei kai tis apodeijeis aytoy toy tajidioy;

ANTWNAROS: Yparxei anakoinwsh toy Ypoyrgoy, sthn opoia kai sas parapempw.

ALEIFEROPOYLOS: H qesh ths kybernhshs;

ANTWNAROS: Sas parapempw sthn anakoinwsh toy Ypoyrgoy.

BASILAKOPOYLOS: Mporw na exw mia jekaqarh qesh ths kybernhshs gia th stash toy k. Shmith, oson afora thn protash gia Ejetastikh Epitroph gia thn ypoqesh ths Siemens;

ANTWNAROS: O,ti ginetai sto eswteriko toy kommatos ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs, den einai kati to opoio afora thn kybernhsh, Den exw na kanw kanena sxolio.

KAKALHS: Pisteyete oti h ragdaia ptwsh ths kybernhshs, opws emfanizetai stis teleytaies dhmoskophseis, exei na kanei me ta sklhra antilaika metra poy phre to teleytaio diasthma, opws as poyme to pagwma twn misqwn kai twn syntajewn, to ``prasino fws'' poy exei dwsei gia tis elastikes ergasiakes sxeseis, thn ayjhsh twn oriwn hlikias stis gynaikes dhmosioys ypallhloys;

ANTWNAROS: Den sxoliazw eyrhmata dhmoskophsewn. Sas to exw pei epaneilhmmenws.

KATSABOY: Kyrie Ekproswpe, symfwna me dhmosieyma toy ``Eleyqeroy Typoy'' shmera, to Ypoyrgeio Eswterikwn dromologei mia lysh gia xiliades symbasioyxoys, mesa apo apofash toy Eyrwpaikoy Dikasthrioy poy qa orizei oti to koinotiko dikaio yperisxyei toy eqnikoy kai gia th diarkeia twn symbasewn. Hqela na rwthsw, an h kybernhsh exei th boylhsh na to dexqei ayto, oti to koinotiko dikaio qa yperisxyei toy eqnikoy kai an exete eikona twn symbasioyxwn poy prokeitai na perilhfqoyn se ayth th ryqmish.

ANTWNAROS: Symfwna me thn enhmerwsh poy exw apo ton Ypoyrgo Eswterikwn k. Prokoph Paylopoylo, h ypoqesh ayth brisketai sto Eyrwpaiko Dikasthrio. Den exoyme kamia plhroforia gia thn poreia, gia tis leptomereies ths ekdikashs ths ypoqeshs.

FANIDHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, o Yfypoyrgos k. Kammenos, me dhlwseis toy, eipe oti h o k. Manoyshs h o k. Paylidhs, h o enas h o allos, h kai oi dyo, prepei na pane sth fylakh. Yparxei kapoio sxolio apo esas;

ANTWNAROS: Ayth einai proswpikh apoch toy k. Kammenoy. Egw den exw kati na sas pw, pera apo to oti emeis, opws gnwrizete, anamenoyme th diereynhsh ths ypoqeshs, h opoia ginetai apo thn armodia Epitroph ths Boylhs, h opoia synedriazei edw kai liges hmeres. Qa anameinoyme, loipon, thn oloklhrwsh ths diereynhshs ths ypoqeshs. Den prokeitai egw na kanw kanena sxolio, opws den exw kanei pote mexri twra gia ypoqeseis twn opoiwn h diereynhsh brisketai se ejelijh.

PALAIOLOGOS: Na jekinhsw me mia rhtorikh erwthsh: O k. Aggeloy den einai o idiaiteros toy prwqypoyrgikoy grafeioy h o stenos synergaths toy Prwqypoyrgoy k. Karamanlh;

ANTWNAROS: Den katalabainw, eilikrina, ti me rwtate.

PALAIOLOGOS: Jekinaw me mia rhtorikh erwthsh poy bebaiws h apanthsh ths einai katafatikh, epeidh doqhke h aisqhsh se olo ton kosmo, se oloys toys dhmosiografoys kai sthn koinh gnwmh oti dyo fores sthn kataqesh toy, thn teleytaia, o k. Aggeloy ``adeiase'' ton prwhn Ypoyrgo Aigaioy k. Paylidh.

ANTWNAROS: O k. Aggeloy, ej oswn gnwrizw, kateqese ta pragmatika peristatika ta opoia gnwrizei.

PALAIOLOGOS: Nai, synepws ton ``adeiase'' kai synepws o k. Paylidhs, opws diefanh apo thn kataqesh toy k. Aggeloy, ceydetai, leei cemata h leei th mish alhqeia.

ANTWNAROS: Ayth einai dikh sas analysh ths kataqeshs, thn opoia egw den exw yp ocin moy, dioti opws gnwrizete, h kataqesh kai h diejagwgh ths ereynas einai mystikh, symfwna me th dikonomia. Einai loipon dika sas symperasmata, ta opoia egw den prosypografw. Apo thn pleyra moy, qa perimenw thn oloklhrwsh ths diereynhshs ths ypoqeshs apo thn Epitroph. H Epitroph otan oloklhrwsei th doyleia thn opoia kanei, qa kataqesei ena porisma. Ekei mesa qa periexontai ola. Ola ta alla, qa moy epitrecete na sas pw, einai dikes sas dhmosiografikes eikotologies -den to lew kaqoloy ypotimhtika- kai dika sas sxolia kai dikes sas analyseis, tis opoies egw den exw kamia proqesh na parakoloyqhsw.

PALAIOLOGOS: Mporw na rwthsw ep` aytoy; Epeidh lete, na perimenete th diereynhsh ths ypoqeshs. Qa symfwnhsw kai egw. To qema einai, giati den perimenoyn kai oi idioi oi boyleytes ths Neas Dhmokratias poy bgainoyn sta paraqyra h oxi mono sta paraqyra -kai den to lew apajiwtika- kai kanoyn dhlwseis, opws o k. Karaogloy h o k. Tzitzikwstas kai lene oti qa prepei o k. Paylidhs na mas adeiasei th gwnia kai na ton apokaloyn ``baridi''; Shmeiwteon, ``baridi'' ton apokalese o k. Karaogloy shmera. Wraia, emeis oi dhmosiografoi na anamenoyme. Giati oi boyleytes ths Neas Dhmokratias, den anamenoyn, den perimenoyn thn katalhjh ths diereynhshs ths ypoqeshs apo thn Proanakritikh Epitroph;

ANTWNAROS: Den sxoliazw topoqethseis boyleytwn...

PALAIOLOGOS: Den eipa na sxoliasete...

ANTWNAROS: Sas ekqetw kai sas paroysiazw tis qeseis ths kybernhshs.

PALAIOLOGOS: Symfwnw, alla kai o k. Aggeloy, omws, einai stelexos ths kybernhshs poy ``adeiase'' ton k. Paylidh.

ANTWNAROS: Kai sas apanthsa, pro oligoy. Ejakoloyqeite na epimenete na qetete thn erwthsh, me ton tropo poy eseis prokrinete. Isxyei, loipon, kai gia emena, h prohgoymenh apanthsh poy sas edwsa.

PALAIOLOGOS: Wraia, h erwthsh moy qa ginei eyqews, afoy sthn oysia den apantate h mallon apantate me to diko sas tropo. Den prepei na zhthsei o Prwqypoyrgos k. Karamanlhs thn paraithsh toy k. Paylidh apo to boyleytiko ajiwma;

ANTWNAROS: H kybernhsh exei topoqethqei epaneilhmmenws ep` aytoy toy qematos. Den exw na pw kati kainoyrgio, me osoys tropoys kai an ypoballete thn erwthsh.

PALAIOLOGOS: Ara, na thn anamenoyme entos ths Megalhs Ebdomadas thn paraithsh toy k. Paylidh.

ANTWNAROS: Den sas bohqoyn, tis perissoteres fores, oi analyseis kai ta symperasmata sta opoia katalhgete.

PALAIOLOGOS: Ayto afhste na to krinei h koinh gnwmh.

XIWTHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, diabibazetai shmera kai h deyterh dikografia poy afora ton k. Paylidh kai thn aktoploikh syndesh ths Thloy. Qa hqela na sas rwthsw, an h kybernhsh qewrei oti qa prepei gi` ayth thn ypoqesh na systaqei nea eidikh koinoboyleytikh epitroph h an mporei h hdh systaqeisa poy leitoyrgei hdh epitroph, mporei na diereynhsei kai ayth thn ypoqesh.

ANTWNAROS: Symfwna me thn enhmerwsh poy exw apo to Aqhnaiko Praktoreio Eidhsewn parelhfqh h dikografia. Ekeino to opoio isxyei gia emas, gia th qesh ths kybernhshs, einai ayto poy isxye kai sthn prohgoymenh periptwsh. Dhladh, h kybernhsh qa melethsei ta keimena ths dikografias kai otan ta melethsei, qa topoqethqei. Den exw na prosqesw kati allo.

ZORMPA: Kyrie Ekproswpe, qa hqela na estiasw sthn anakoinwsh ths Paraskeyhs poy bgalate meta to aithma toy PASOK gia th systash Ejetastikhs Epitrophs sthn ypoqesh ths Siemens. Sthn anakoinwsh dierwthqhkate, ti fobatai to PASOK. Qa hqela afenos na mas apanthsete, an h kybernhsh exei mia eikona toy ti fobatai to PASOK jekaqarh kai akoloyqws, einai safes to oxi sth systash Ejetastikhs Epitrophs twra, oso dienergeitai parallhlh ereyna apo th Dikaiosynh. H kybernhsh einai anoixth sth systash Ejetastikhs Epitrophs, meta to peras ths dikastikhs ereynas;

ANTWNAROS: Exw pei kai alles fores, to eipa kai thn Paraskeyh sth dhlwsh thn opoia ekana, oti h systash Ejetastikhs Epitrophs, se ayto to krisimo stadio poy apaggellontai oi kathgories enantion proswpwn, mono se sygkalych mporei na odhghsei. Emeis se ayto den qa symprajoyme. Qa perimenoyme, loipon, thn oloklhrwsh ths diadikasias kai den qa symprajoyme sthn prospaqeia thn opoia kanei to PASOK, gia dikoys toy logoys, na sygkalycei thn ypoqesh.

Poioys prospaqei na prostateysei; Ti prospaqei na krycei; Ti fobatai to PASOK kai epixeirei se ayto to krisimo, poly shmantiko stadio, na empodisei th Dikaiosynh na kanei th doyleia ths;

Perissotera den exw na pw. Opws sas eipa kai thn Paraskeyh, thn apanthsh qa thn paroyn oi kyrioi kai oi kyries toy PASOK, otan h protash toys syzhthqei sth Boylh, symfwna me ton Kanonismo.

TSIOYFOS: Kata pagia taktikh, legate oti oso tetoioy eidoys ypoqeseis diereynwntai apo th Dikaiosynh, den symfwneite me th systash Ejetastikhs Epitrophs, me to skeptiko poy epanalabate twra. Omws, sthn periptwsh ths ypoqeshs toy Batopaidioy kai enw h ypoqesh briskotan sth Dikaiosynh, me prwtoboylia ths kybernhshs, to qema hrqe sth Boylh.

ANTWNAROS: Qymaste akribws ta pragmatika peristatika;

TSIOYFOS: Bebaiws ta qymamai...

ANTWNAROS: Den blepete kamia diafora;

TSIOYFOS: Ayto hqela na sas rwthsw, na moy peite, poia einai h diafora;

ANTWNAROS: Ayth h yperaploysteysh thn opoia epixeiroyn diaforoi, metajy twn opoiwn kai eseis -tolmw na pw- den exei kamia sxesh me thn pragmatikothta. Kat` arxas, einai dyo diaforetikes ypoqeseis me dyo entelws diaforetika stoixeia. Kai diabaste, eseis, to aithma to opoio ypebale to PASOK sth Boylh, proxqes, na moy peite eseis ti katalabainete.

TSIOYFOS: (Den akoygetai).

ANTWNAROS: Sas apantw: Einai genikologo.

TSIOYFOS: Me dikh sas prwtoboylia hrqe to qema toy Batopaidioy sth Boylh... (den akoygetai)

ANTWNAROS: Den qymaste akribws tis leptomereies. Afhste ta ayta. Einai dyo entelws diaforetikes ypoqeseis me dyo entelws diaforetika xarakthristika. Alla pragmata eixan prohghqei. To PASOK edw kanei sygkekrimenes energeies. Gia shmera Deytera, eixan klhqei se apologia oi kathgoroymenoi. Kai gia na apotrecei tis kataqeseis kai tis apologies twn kathgoroymenwn, prospaqhse me ayto ton eligmo na empodisei th Dikaiosynh. E, emeis den qa symprajoyme s` ayto. Qymoyntai oloi para poly kala poio koryfaio stelexos toy PASOK exei omologhsei oti exei parei xrhmata apo th sygkekrimenh etaireia. Loipon, den blepw na anaferetai poyqena apo aytoys oi opoioi sygkrinoyn ta men me ta de, ta anomoia metajy toys.

TSIOYFOS: Egw den sas rwthsa ayto k. Ekproswpe.

ANTWNAROS: Egw ayto apantw omws.

TSIOYFOS: Ofeilw na sas pw oti kai qymamai, alla telos pantwn, dyo ypoqeseis htan kai oi dyo ypo diereynhsh sth Dikaiosynh.

ANTWNAROS: Den einai oles oi ypoqeseis idies. Den einai ola ta pragmatika peristatika ta idia. H qesh mas einai pagiws h idia.

TSIOYFOS: Anejarthta apo tis qeseis toy PASOK, anejarthta apo thn emplokh toy PASOK, me dikh sas prwtoboylia  epanalambanw- to qema toy Batopaidioy hrqe sth Boylh kai gia to qema ths SIEMENS epanerxeste sto prohgoymeno skeptiko sas poy lete ``oso einai sth Dikaiosynh den paei to qema sth Boylh''. Ayto eipa.

ANTWNAROS: To skeptiko mas kai h taktikh mas einai pagiws h idia.

KAKALHS: Se kaqe periptwsh diapistwsate na parempodizetai to ergo ths Dikaiosynhs apo th leitoyrgia ths Ejetastikhs Epitrophs sto Batopaidi; Giati s` ayth thn periptwsh arneiste;

ANTWNAROS: Shmera Deytera eixan klhqei na kataqesoyn, na apologhqoyn sygkekrimenoi kathgoroymenoi ston Eisaggelea. Kai molis to emaqe to PASOK espeyse na kataqesei aithma gia Ejetastikh Epitroph gia na pagwsei ta panta. Jerw ti sas lew kai jerw poly kala ti yponow.

KAKALHS: Diadikastika to aithma gia Ejetastikh Epitroph pagwnei tis shmerines kataqeseis;

ANTWNAROS: Metaferei to endiaferon apo thn oysia sthn parapolitikh.

KAKALHS: Epikoinwniaka.

ANTWNAROS: Oysiastika. Prospaqoyn na metaferoyn to endiaferon apo thn oysia sthn parapolitikh.

BASILAKOPOYLOS: Gia na milhsoyme ligo gia thn oysia, se epta bdomades apo shmera exoyme eyrwekloges. Kai epeidh o k. Tsoykatos, gia na milame me onomata, o stenos synergaths toy prwhn Prwqypoyrgoy, exei omologhsei oti eixe dosolhcies me th SIEMENS gia logariasmo toy kommatikoy tameioy, alla kai epeidh o k. Paylidhs brisketai se mia periergh ekkremothta ayth th stigmh, mporeite na moy peite se epta bdomades me poio diakybeyma qa pame se eyrwekloges kai se kaqe periptwsh ti qa shmainoyn aytes gia thn kybernhsh. Dhladh endexetai na prokalesoyn ntomino politikwn ejelijewn h na prohghqei ayto;

ANTWNAROS: Thn idia akribws erwthsh moy qesate prin apo mia bdomada eseis h kapoios allos se ayth thn aiqoysa; Oson afora thn kybernhsh, to idio pragma poy eipa tote ejakoloyqei na isxyei. To diakybeyma einai oi eyrwekloges. Einai h eklogh twn Ellhnwn eyrwboyleytwn.

BASILAKOPOYLOS: Me sygxwreite kai an o ellhnikos laos egkrinei h sthrizei tis prwtoboylies ths kybernhshs kai thn chfizei h den tis egkrinei h den tis sthrizei tis prwtoboylies ths kybernhshs kai thn katachfizei, den shmainei tipote ayto gia thn kybernhsh;

ANTWNAROS: To antikeimeno aytwn twn eklogwn, ayths ths prosfyghs stis kalpes einai sygkekrimeno.

BASILAKOPOYLOS: Wraia. Ara dhladh an tis xasei h Nea Dhmokratia, qa ftaiei o k. Mayromaths h h kyria Kratsa as poyme;

ANTWNAROS: Eseis katalhgete se symperasmata ta opoia egw oyte ypainixqhka, oyte eipa. Qa sas pw kati poly aplo. Eklegontai 22 Ellhnes eyrwboyleytes. Ayto einai to antikeimeno ths sygkekrimenhs prosfyghs stis kalpes kai ayto einai to kyrio diakybeyma. Ola ta alla, ``ean, efoson, giati kai ti qa ginei'', mporei na apasxoloyn esas -qa moy epitrecete na sas pw- gia na gemizete tis selides twn efhmeridwn sas , alla den einai antikeimeno twn eyrweklogwn. Den einai antikeimeno twn eyrweklogwn, opws den einai antikeimeno twn eyrweklogwn se kamia eyrwpaikh xwra apo tis 27, opoy diejagontai taytoxrona eyrwekloges. Den eimaste oi monoi poy kanoyme eyrwekloges.

BASILAKOPOYLOS: Profanws oxi.

ANTWNAROS: Einai 27 xwres opoy taytoxrona ginontai oi eyrwekloges. Loipon ayth h syzhthsh -qa moy epitrecete na sas pw- oti ginetai mono edw sthn Ellada. An parakoloyqhsete ligo ta dieqnh Mesa Enhmerwshs...

BASILAKOPOYLOS: Ta parakoloyqw, to jerete.

ANTWNAROS: Ayth h syzhthsh me thn entash kai me thn ektash edw kai mhnes, mono sthn Ellada ginetai, dioti to antikeimeno, oloi to gnwrizoyn, einai h eklogh twn Ellhnwn eyrwboyleytwn. Ean orismenoi gia dikoys toys logoys -ennow politika proswpa kai politikoi xwroi- qeloyn na dwsoyn allh ermhneia as to kanoyn, alla o ellhnikos laos jerei poly kala ti chfizei stis 7 Ioynioy.

KAKALHS: Den exei politiko periexomeno h anametrhsh twn eyrweklogwn;

ANTWNAROS: Eipa egw oti den exei politiko periexomeno;

KAKALHS: To afydatwnete kapws legontas oti afora stegna thn anadeijh twn eyrwboyleytwn. Den exei kapoio politiko periexomeno; To pio qetiko gkalop den syndeetai me tis eswterikes ejelijeis anagkastika;

ANTWNAROS: Ayth einai dikh sas ektimhsh. Oi Ellhnes polites ejelejan to Septembrio toy 2007 th Nea Dhmokratia me kaqarh pleiochfia prokeimenoy na kybernhsei th xwra gia ta epomena tessera xronia.

ALEIFEROPOYLOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, epeidh prin apo akribws epta lepta eipate oti h idiothta sas einai na paroysiazete tis qeseis ths kybernhshs...

ANTWNAROS: Bebaiws.

ALEIFEROPOYLOS: Na epanelqw sto erwthma poy ekana prin. Me parapemcate sth dhlwsh toy k. Stylianidh, ta osa eipe ejhgwntas sto tajidi toy sto Parisi. Sth dhlwsh toy loipon epikaleitai to prwtokollo. Kai sas rwtaw eyqews, epeidh exete mia qesh ws Ekproswpos gnwrizete na yparxei kapoio prwtokollo poy na problepei 19.000 eyrw se tajidi; Zhtw th qesh ths kybernhshs kai oxi toy k. Stylianidh.

ANTWNAROS: Sas eipa: Sas parapempw sthn anakoinwsh poy ejedwse o k. Stylianidhs.

ALEIFEROPOYLOS: Ara yioqetei h kybernhsh thn anakoinwsh toy k. Stylianidh.

ANTWNAROS: Topoqethqhka.

KAKALHS: Exei akoysei kati h kybernhsh gia to qema Qrakhs poy eqese o Ompama, oti dhladh apaitoyntai kinhseis apo thn Ellada sth Qrakh gia na anoijei h Qeologikh Sxolh ths Xalkhs;

ANTWNAROS: Sth Qrakh den apaiteitai apolytws tipota apo thn ellhnikh pleyra.

KAKALHS: Lew th syndesh poy kanei.

ANTWNAROS: Dioti kai sto parelqon, alla poly perissotero me ayth thn kybernhsh, epikratei kaqestws, epikratoyn synqhkes isopoliteias kai isonomias gia oloys toys Ellhnes polites, anejarthtws qrhskeymatos.

KAKALHS: Th syndesh ayth, den katalaba, den thn sxoliazete;

ANTWNAROS: Den sxoliazw. Sas lew ti isxyei sth Qrakh.

XIWTHS: Qelw na epistrecw sto qema twn eyrweklogwn, dioti ligo me mperdecate m` ayto poy eipate. Eipate oti oi Ellhnes polites eklegoyn 22 eyrwboyleytes...

ANTWNAROS: Ayto einai to antikeimeno ths prosfyghs stis kalpes.

XIWTHS: H kybernhsh den dexetai oti oi eyrwekloges einai mia poly asfalhs dhmoskophsh gia na labei mhnymata apo toys polites; Giati toylaxiston ayto akoysa na leei enas ypoyrgos sas, o k. Abramopoylos thn perasmenh bdomada.

ANTWNAROS: Kaqe prosfygh stis kalpes periexei asfalws mhnymata. Ep` aytoy den yparxei kamia amfibolia. Alla den prepei kaneis na jexnaei poio einai to antikeimeno ths sygkekrimenhs prosfyghs stis kalpes. To antikeimeno ths sygkekrimenhs prosfyghs stis kalpes, to gegonos oti oi Ellhnes chfoforoi qa rijoyn th chfo toys mesa sthn kalph, ena skopo exei. Ena antikeimeno: Na eklejoyn toys 22 eyrwboyleytes poy antistoixoyn sth xwra mas kai eklegontai kaqe pente xronia.

Den mporei kaqe prosfygh stis kalpes na ermhneyetai ws ean eprokeito gia eqnikh eklogh. Den einai eqnikh eklogh. Opws oi dhmotikes ekloges den einai ekloges me eqniko xarakthra. Kaqe eklogh exei ta dika ths xarakthristika kai ayta ta xarakthristika prosdiorizoyn akribws to plaisio mesa sto opoio -kata th dikh mas antilhch- prepei na ermhneyetai ayth h prosfygh stis kalpes. Einai sygkekrimeno to antikeimeno. Oi Ellhnes polites jeroyn giati pane na chfisoyn.

XIWTHS: Nomizw oti jexnate eseis twra merika pragmata, opws gia paradeigma oti tetoioy eidoys anametrhseis, opws oi eyrwekloges kai oi dhmotikes ekloges h idia h Nea Dhmokratia toys apedwse politika xarakthristika. Qymamai ton k. Karamanlh meta tis teleytaies dhmotikes ekloges na leei sth synenteyjh Typoy oti h Nea Dhmokratia einai h kyriarxh dynamh me bash ta apotelesmata twn dhmotikwn eklogwn. Opws ton qymamai kai stis ekloges toy 2004 -gia na mhn sas pw gia tis ekloges toy 1999- poy elege oti epibebaiwqhke h boylhsh twn Ellhnwn politwn na exoyn ws kyriarxh dynamh th Nea Dhmokratia. Ara eseis thn kanate politikh thn anametrhsh. Oxi mono eseis, alla kai eseis.

ANTWNAROS: Egw se kamia periptwsh den eipa oti den exei politika stoixeia. Kaqe prosfygh stis kalpes, kaqe eklogikh anametrhsh exei politika stoixeia. Alla, den exei se kamia periptwsh ta eklogika stoixeia ta opoia orismenoi apo th dikh toys thn pleyra kai gia diko toys ofelos qeloyn na apodwsoyn se ayth thn eklogikh anametrhsh. Sth sygkekrimenh prosfygh stis kalpes, einai sygkekrimeno to diakybeyma.

BASILAKOPOYLOS: Sygnwmh poy epimenw. Qa kanw mia antistrofh anafora. Qa pw oti an h Nea Dhmokratia kerdisei tis eyrwekloges me pente monades diafora, o Prwqypoyrgos den qa niwsei isxyros; H mallon h kybernhsh den qa niwsei isxyropoihmenh; Den qa bgei na pei ston ellhniko lao oti egkrinoyn ta bhmata mas kai synexizoyme;

ANTWNAROS: Se kanena apo ta ``an'' den prokeitai na apanthsw, akomh kai an prospaqhsete na me kolakecete.

TSIOYFOS: Egw qa epimeinw s` ayto poy eipe o k. Xiwths prin apo ligo. Egw qymamai stis prohgoymenes eyrwekloges eixate dwsei kaqara dhmochfismatiko xarakthra kai me bash ayto to xarakthra twn eklogwn eixate kerdisei tote tis eyrwekloges. Shmera giati lete oti aplws to mono diakybeyma einai h eklogh twn Ellhnwn eyrwboyleytwn;

ANTWNAROS: Ma giati einai gnwsto to diakybeyma.

TSIOYFOS: Akribws. Alla stis prohgoymenes eyrwekloges eseis den eixate dwsei ayto to xarakthra;

ANTWNAROS: Den mporw na sas parakoloyqhsw, oyte se ayth th skech sas.

TSIOYFOS: Nomizw h mnhmh olwn mas ayto...

ANTWNAROS: Kala h mnhmh olwn sas mporei na einai dhmosiografikh mnhmh, yperaploysteytikh, qa moy epitrecete na sas pw...

TSIOYFOS: Oxi, kaqoloy yperaploysteytikh.

ANTWNAROS: Me thn opoia egw den qa mporesw na symporeytw.

TSIOYFOS: Einai dyo metra kai dyo staqma k. Ekproswpe.

ANTWNAROS: Oxi, den einai. En pash periptwsei ayto einai diko sas dikaiwma na to krinete, na to analysete, na to sxoliasete. Emena qa moy epitrecete pantws na kanw topoqethseis. Egw den eimai analyths.

PARTALIDHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, pernaw se ena allo qema, se ayto poy afora th L` Akoyila ths Italias opoy polla Ellhnopoyla, polles ellhnikes oikogeneies eplhghsan apo polles pleyres, cyxologika, oikonomika klp. kai xaqhkan kai zwes. Yparxei sth skech ths kybernhshs, giati yparxei kai mia protash apo kybernhtiko boyleyth na dei h kybernhsh thn pleyra ths metagrafhs toys giati jerw oti h polh exei katastrafei oloklhrwtika, oi synqhkes einai poly asxhmes, poly arga akomh kai oi panepisthmiakes klinikes exoyn katastrafei. Eimai bebaios oti ta epomena ena dyo xronia den qa mporesei na leitoyrghsei to Panepisthmio. Mhpws mporei h kybernhsh na to ejetasei, wste ayta ta paidia ta opoia den einai kata eidikothta polla, na aporrofhqoyn apo ta ellhnika Panepisthmia;

ANTWNAROS: Fantazomai oti, gia toys Ellhnes foithtes, qa breqoyn paromoies lyseis me aytes poy qa isxysoyn kai gia toys Italoys foithtes poy foitoyn sto en logw Panepisthmio.

PARTALIDHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, lete oti an exoyn dynatothta eswterikhs metagrafhs. Alla, katalabainete oti meta thn katastrofh poy ypesthsan kai thn asxhmh cyxologikh katastash poy briskontai, giati yparxoyn paidia poy swqhkan thn teleytaia stigmh, na zhsoyn ston idio xwro me metagrafh, me ejoda egkatastashs;

ANTWNAROS: Polles xiliades -den jerw ton akribh ariqmo- Ellhnes foithtes kai foithtries spoydazoyn se Panepisthmia ths geitonikhs xwras. As mhn kindynologoyme -den ennow esas- legontas oti olh h Italia einai mia epikindynh zwnh.

PARTALIDHS: Oxi, kaqoloy.

ANTWNAROS: Epelejan na pane na spoydasoyn sthn Italia. En pash periptwsei, tetoies genikes ryqmiseis den nomizw oti ejyphretoyn ayth th stigmh.

XIWTHS: (Den akoygetai)... dhmioyrghsete mia sygxish. Se o,ti afora toys foithtes poy foitoyn sth sygkekrimenh polh, epeidh yparxei protash arxhgoy kommatos gia meteggrafh se ellhnika Panepisthmia...

ANTWNAROS: Sas apanthsa.

XIWTHS: Meleta tetoio endexomeno h kybernhsh;

ANTWNAROS: Ej oswn gnwrizw, h kybernhsh einai se epafh me tis italikes Arxes, me to armodio Ypoyrgeio, prokeimenoy na isxysoyn gia toys Ellhnes foithtes, opws eipa prohgoymenws, o,ti isxysei kai gia toys Italoys foithtes.

XIWTHS: Gia meteggrafh se italika Panepisthmia.

ANTWNAROS: Ma, topoqethqhka me ton idio tropo prohgoymenws. Qelete na to akoysete ki allh fora;

ALEIFEROPOYLOS: Epeidh yparxei to qema ths oikonomikhs krishs, h kybernhsh, akoysa malista kai ton k. Papaqanasioy na leei milwntas sthn ONNED to Sabbato, to ti metra xreiazetai na lhfqoyn prokeimenoy na orqopodhsei kai na krathqei h ellhnikh oikonomia isxyrh kai zwhrh. Sthn oysia proanhggeile kai nea ektakta metra. Thn idia stigmh kai eseis exete pei epaneilhmmena oti qa ginoyn oles ekeines oi ryqmiseis poy xreiazontai, prokeimenoy na antimetwpistei h krish kai oti thn parakoloyqeite. Qelw na sas rwthsw: Thn idia stigmh bgainoyn polloi syntagmatologoi kai yposthrizoyn oti oi ektaktes eisfores kai ta ektakta metra aggizoyn ta oria ths antisyntagmatikothtas.

ANTWNAROS: Den exw ayth thn apoch kai den exome sthn kybernhsh ayth thn apoch. Aytes einai episthmonikes apoceis, oi opoies mporoyn na ekfrazontai apo diaforoys kykloys.

H kybernhsh kanei ekeino to opoio einai aparaithto, ekeino to opoio exei kaqhkon na kanei: Na antapokrinetai me apotelesmatikothta, me taxythta, me eyaisqhsia pros ekeinoys poy exoyn kai tis megalyteres anagkes stis diafores faseis ths dieqnoys oikonomikhs krishs. Kai ayto qa ejakoloyqhsoyme na to kanoyme. Swsta eipate sthn arxh oti exoyme pei, ola ta kybernhtika stelexh, oloi mazi, toylaxiston ekato me ekaton penhnta fores -synepws ayto payei na exei kai eidhseografikh ajia, an moy epitrepete na to pw- oti qa kanoyme o,ti einai aparaithto, prokeimenoy na antimetwpistei oso to dynaton pio apotelesmatika h dieqnhs oikonomikh krish kai me nees ryqmiseis kai me beltiwseis kai me prosarmoges.

Xrhsimopoioyme synexeia tis idies lejeis. Tipote den allazei. H krish synexizetai. Mhn kanoyme oti h krish exei perasei, exei teleiwsei, exei amblynqei, epeidh kapoioi stamathsan na asxoloyntai me ayth. Tipota apo ola ayta den exei symbei.

XIWTHS: Hqela na sas rwthsw, kyrie Ekproswpe, exei allajei h qesh ths kybernhshs se o,ti afora to nomo peri eyqynhs Ypoyrgwn. Kai to rwtw ayto, dioti diabasa mia synenteyjh ths k. Mpakogiannh, thn Kyriakh sthn ``Eleyqerotypia'', me thn opoia proteine thn plhrh katarghsh toy nomoy. Eixa akoysei kai ton Ypoyrgo Dikaiosynhs, ton k. Dendia, thn perasmenh ebdomada, poy proteine to idio. Omws, qymamai oti sthn anaqewrhsh toy Syntagmatos, h kybernhsh den proteine kati tetoio, proteine thn tropopoihsh toy nomoy. Kai ej oswn gnwrizw, yparxoyn kai alloi Ypoyrgoi, kai alla melh ths kybernhshs oi opoioi yposthrizoyn oti nai men prepei na tropopoihqei, alla oxi na katarghqei o nomos peri eyqynhs Ypoyrgwn. Qelw na rwthsw, loipon, poia einai telikws h qesh ths kybernhshs;

ANTWNAROS: Den exw kati kainoyrgio na sas pw ep` aytoy.

FANIDHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, hqela na sas rwthsw, qelete na dwsete mia apanthsh se ekeina ta dhmosieymata poy feroyn ton Prwqypoyrgo dysaresthmeno mazi sas kai etoimo na sas antikatasthsei me ton Kwsta Gkioyleka;

ANTWNAROS: Nomizw oti ayto to opoio moy apomenei einai na ypomeidiasw. Na mhn pw tipote allo. Opws blepete, eimai mprosta sas kai ejakoloyqw na kanw th doyleia moy, sta kaqhkonta poy moy exei anaqesei o Prwqypoyrgos.

Sas eyxaristw.

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