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Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Deytera, 16 Febroyarioy 2009

Ariqmos Deltioy: 186495628

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O KYBERNHTIKOS EKPROSWPOS

Aqhna, 16 Febroyarioy 2009

EYAGGELO ANTWNARO

Kalhmera kai kalh ebdomada.

" Ayrio, Trith 17 Febroyarioy, stis 12.30, o Prwqypoyrgos k. Kwstas Karamanlhs qa synanthqei, sto Megaro Majimoy, me ton Proedro ths Dhmokratias toy Azermpaitzan k. Ilxam Aligief, o opoios episkeptetai epishma th xwra mas. Meta thn oloklhrwsh twn dimerwn synomiliwn, qa ginoyn dhlwseis pros ta Mesa Enhmerwshs. Akoloyqws, o Prwqypoyrgos qa paraqesei geyma ergasias ston k. Aligief kai thn antiproswpeia poy einai mazi toy. H ayrianh enhmerwsh twn politikwn syntaktwn kai twn antapokritwn jenoy Typoy, qa pragmatopoihqei edw, ektaktws, stis 11.30.

" Parakoloyqhsa xqes, den sas to krybw, me endiaferon thn omilia toy arxhgoy ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs, k. Giwrgoy Papandreoy. Kai apogohteythka, opws apogohteythkan -eimai bebaios- para polloi Ellhnes polites. Kai xqes, opws kanei poly syxna ton teleytaio kairo, o arxhgos ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs emeine pistos ston eayto toy. Katebale kaqe prospaqeia na jeperasei oles tis parastaseis akatasxeths eklogologias, akratoy laikismoy kai adistakths paroxologias poy exei dwsei mexri twra. O paronomasths olwn aytwn twn dhmosiwn emfanisewn toy k. Papandreoy einai enas: Plhrhs politikh aneyqynothta. Tipote sygkekrimeno, tipote oysiastiko, tipote xrhsimo gia toys anqrwpoys kai ton topo. O k. Papandreoy kai h hgetikh omada poy ton periballei ton teleytaio kairo, exoyn kanei texnh th diastreblwsh ths pragmatikothtas, thn parapoihsh stoixeiwn, th syneidhth aposiwphsh twn sxediwn toys. Kanenan omws den peiqoyn, prospaqwntas na diagracoyn to bebarhmeno parelqon toys, to opoio toys akoloyqei kai shmera. Kai ayta poy lene, epibebaiwnoyn to parelqon ayto. Kanenas Ellhnas den jexnaei oti ta terastia xreh ta opoia jeplhrwnoyme kai ta opoia epikaleitai o k. Papandreoy kaqe toso, einai apotelesma ths afronos diaxeirishs twn kybernhsewn toy PASOK, twn opoiwn o k. Papandreoy htan - adiamartyrhta ypenqymizw- koryfaio stelexos. Kanenas den lhsmonei toys peiramatismoys toy PASOK, me ta dhmosia oikonomika, ta opoia plhrwsan oi Ellhnes me 80 kainoyrgioys foroys, pali apo tis kybernhseis poy toso pista yphrethse o k. Papandreoy. Einai pia hlioy faeinotero pws o k. Papandreoy kai h hgetikh toy omada nostalgoyn ekeines tis epoxes. Omws oi Ellhnes kai oi Ellhnides den qa toy epitrecoyn, na katafygei jana se tetoioy eidoys peiramatismoys. Kai gi` ayto empisteyontai th monh dynamh eyqynhs poy mporei na toys bgalei, me sigoyria kai swfrosynh, xwris paxia logia kai me epignwsh ths pragmatikothtas apo th dieqnh oikonomikh krish, ths opoias oi epiptwseis fqanoyn twra kai sth xwra mas, dhladh, th shmerinh kybernhsh toy Kwsta Karamanlh. Den qa apanthsw oyte ston idio tono, oyte me tis idies lejeis kai poly perissotero, oyte me to idio yfos poy xrhsimopoihse xqes o k. Papandreoy. Den mas ekfrazei kai bebaiws, den me ekfrazei oyte emena proswpika.

Qa hqela, omws, na anaferqw se orismena stoixeia, giati toso xqes - eipa kai prohgoymenws- oso kai tis teleytaies hmeres, o k. Papandreoy kanei syneidhth parapoihsh stoixeiwn. Anaferomai ston trapeziko daneismo kai sta epitokia. Leei, loipon, to PASOK, oti exoyme apo ta ychlotera epitokia xorhghsewn sthn eyrwzwnh. Prwton, ta epitokia daneismoy twn ellhnikwn noikokyriwn einai apo ta xamhlotera metajy twn kratwn-melwn ths eyrwzwnhs kai oxi ta akribotera, opws akribws synebaine prin apo pente xronia. Sthn katanalwtikh pisth, alla kai sta epixeirhmatika daneia, epitygxanetai thn teleytaia pentaetia megalyterh sygklish twn trapezikwn epitokiwn me ta ypoloipa krath ths eyrwzwnhs, enw ta epitokia kataqesewn einai apo ta pleon ychla, se sxesh me to meso oro ths eyrwzwnhs. Eidikotera, to PASOK paraleipei syneidhta opoiadhpote anafora sta stegastika daneia, ta opoia apoteloyn to 65% toy synolikoy daneismoy twn ellhnikwn noikokyriwn. Kai fysika ayto den to kanei tyxaia. Ta ellhnika noikokyria daneizontai me ena apo ta xamhlotera epitokia stegastikhs pisths, metajy twn xwrwn ths eyrwzwnhs. Sygkekrimena, daneizontai me epitokio kymainomeno h staqero ews ena etos, me pososto 4,92%, poy einai mikrotero kata 0,18% apo to meso oro ths eyrwzwnhs, otan to Martio toy 2004, otan anelabe, dhladh, thn eyqynh ths diakybernhshs ths xwras h Nea Dhmokratia, daneizontan akribotera, kata 0,91%, dhladh sxedon mia oloklhrh monada, apo to meso oro ths eyrwzwnhs.

Oson afora ta katanalwtika daneia, sta opoia estiazetai h kritikh toy PASOK, qa hqela na epishmanw ta akoloyqa: Gia daneia me epitokio kymainomeno h staqero ews ena etos, to pososto anerxetai sto 8,76%, ayjhmeno kata 0,60% se sxesh me to meso oro ths eyrwzwnhs, otan to Martio toy 2004 htan ayjhmeno kata 2,57%, dhladh panw apo tesseris fores apo o,ti einai twra, se sxesh me to meso oro ths eyrwzwnhs.

Triton, gia daneia me epitokio staqero anw toy enos kai ews pente eth, to epitokio diamorfwnetai sto 9,49%, ayjhmeno kata 2,48%, se sxesh me to meso oro ths eyrwzwnhs, otan to Martio toy 2004 htan ayjhmeno kata 3,14%, se sxesh me to meso oro ths eyrwzwnhs. To idio isxyei kai gia nea daneia pros epixeirhseis, xwris kaqorismenh diarkeia, to epitokio diamorfwnetai sto 7,13%, ayjhmeno kata 0,87%, se sxesh me to meso oro ths eyrwzwnhs, enw to Martio toy 2004, h diafora htan sto 1,64%. Synepws, ola ayta deixnoyn oti sto diasthma ayto yparxei sygklish twn epitokiwn.

Kai telos, to PASOK pareleice, epishs, opoiadhpote anafora, opws sas eipa, sta epitokia kataqesewn. Kai fysika kai ayto den htan tyxaio. H Ellada einai h deyterh xwra metajy twn xwrwn ths eyrwzwnhs me ta ychlotera epitokia stoys proqesmiakoys logariasmoys. To Dekembrio to meso epitokio gia proqesmiakh kataqesh, mexri 12 mhnes, htan 5,36%, otan to Martio toy 2004 htan molis sto 2,29%, me ychlotera epitokia bashs tote.

Ayta ta lew gia ena para poly aplo logo: Oxi giati ta epitokia exoyn fqasei sto idaniko epipedo, alla gia na apodeijw kati poly aplo. Oti ta stoixeia ta opoia xrhsimopoiei to PASOK, einai parapoihmena, einai ``peiragmena''. Kai opws qa sas pw kai parakatw gia alla qemata, apodeiknyoyn gia mia akomh fora, ton tropo ths paraplhroforhshs, ton tropo twn esfalmenwn stoixeiwn ta opoia xrhsimopoiei to komma ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs.

" Qa hqela na paw kai se ena allo qema, sth sthrijh ths apasxolhshs: To PASOK isxyrizetai oti ta pososta anergias diaferoyn apo ekeina poy paroysiazei h Eqnikh Statistikh Yphresia ths Ellados kai h alhqeia brisketai, dhqen, sta pososta poy ypologizoyn ta kata topoys Ergatika Kentra. Proteinoyn, epishs, na qesmoqethqei h koinwnikh ergasia. Ta stoixeia, loipon, exoyn ws ejhs: H kybernhsh ergazetai gia thn pragmatikh apasxolhsh kai th dhmioyrgia newn qesewn ergasias. Oles oi politikes ths einai strammenes sthn agora ergasias, gi` ayto kai h politikh ths einai sygkrothmenh, stoxeymenh kai anaptyjiakh kai den basizetai se slogkan kai se diafora politika synqhmata, sta opoia katafeygei to PASOK, anhmporo na arqrwsei tekmhriwmeno logo kai pragmatika epixeirhmata. Molis pro hmerwn, to PASOK dhmosiopoihse ena dekaeptaselido keimeno dhqen protasewn. Oi 15 selides ap` aytes htan afierwmenes sto ti kanei h den kanei h kybernhsh kai dyo selides xwris oysiastika stoixeia, perieixan dhqen protaseis toy PASOK. Symfwna, loipon, me ta epishma stoixeia, to Noembrio toy 2008 prwton, h anergia anhlqe sto 7,8%, pososto mikrotero apo to meso oro ths eyrwzwnhs, apo 11,3% poy htan to prwto trimhno toy 2004. To idio diasthma, to pososto synolikhs apasxolhshs efqase sto 62%, apo 58%. Dhladh, olo kai perissoteroi Ellhnes polites briskoyn qeseis ergasias. Deyteron, stis gynaikes eidikotera: To pososto apasxolhshs ayjhqhke sto 50% apo 44%, enw h anergia meiwqhke sto 11,6%, apo 17,1%. Dhmioyrghqhkan 305.000 nees qeseis ergasias kai o ariqmos twn anergwn meiwqhke kata 160.000. Anekaqen -kai qelw na to tonisw ayto kai fysika kai epi kybernhsewn PASOK- h anergia metriotan akribws kata ton idio tropo, apo thn Eqnikh Statistikh Yphresia, ths opoias, s` ayton ton tomea, dexetai anepifylakta ta stoixeia h Eurostat (Eyrwpaikh Statistikh Yphresia). To PASOK yposxetai, ws lysh gia to problhma ths anergias, th qesmoqethsh ths apokaloymenhs apo to idio ``koinwnikhs ergasias''. Qeloyme to PASOK na jekaqarisei stoys Ellhnes polites amesa kai me apolyth eykrineia, ti shmainei kata thn antilhch toy ``koinwnikh ergasia''. Einai ameibomenh, h eqelontikh; Einai plhroys h merikhs apasxolhshs; Einai asfalismenh h anasfalisth; Se poies xwres, telos, efarmozetai;

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

GKOYTZANHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, skeptetai o k. Karamanlhs na zhthsei apo ton k. Boylgarakh na aytomastigwstei dhmosiws sto Syntagma gia na swqei h kybernhsh kai na janakerdisei tis ekloges;

ANTWNAROS: Den asxoloymai me qemata parapolitikhs.

GKOYTZANHS: Einai dhlwseis toy prwhn Ypoyrgoy, kyrie Ekproswpe, den einai parapolitikh. Einai epishmes dhlwseis.

ANTWNAROS: Den sxoliazw, opws gnwrizete, dhlwseis boyleytwn.

XYDIROGLOY: An den kanw laqos, profanws qa to qymosaste kai eseis giati yphrjate dhmosiografos, epi kybernhsews Shmith h Eqnikh Statistikh Yphresia eixe kathgorhqei gia parapoihsh stoixeiwn, oi opoies aforoysan stoixeia ta opoia phgainan sthn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh gia thn apasxolhsh kai thn anergia. To sxolio sas.

ANTWNAROS: Egw, palaiotera, sas eipa oti eixe epikriqei gia stoixeia ta opoia eixan sxesh me to elleimma kai eixan stalei pisw. Gi` ayto kai anaferqhka sta qemata anergias.

XRISTAKOS: Exontas shmeiwsei edw, ta osa eipate sthn arxh, prin dwsete ta stoixeia gia to daneismo kai ta epitokia xorhghsewn kai kataqesewn, thn apostrofh toy logoy sas oti oi Ellhnes kai oi Ellhnides den qa toy epitrecoyn, anafereste bebaia sto PASOK, kai qa empisteyqoyn jana mia dynamh eyqynhs, sigoyrias kai empistosynhs poy qa toys bgalei apo thn oikonomikh krish. Me dedomeno oti oi plhrofories anaferoyn oti ayrio o Proedros toy PASOK qa synanthqei me ton Proedro ths Dhmokratias kai qa toy zhthsei ekloges, h apostrofh ayth toy logoy sas einai kai to stigma ths Neas Dhmokratias gia mia piqanh prosfygh stis kalpes;

ANTWNAROS: Kat` arxas einai h qesh ths Neas Dhmokratias, h opoia einai pagia. Den diaferei se tipote apo osa exoyn pei, prwton o Prwqypoyrgos, deyteron polloi Ypoyrgoi to teleytaio diasthma kai fysika kai egw apo aythn edw th qesh apo thn opoia ektelw sygkekrimena kaqhkonta. To deytero poy qa hqela na sas pw, einai oti emeis pisteyoyme pragmatika oti oi Ellhnes polites qa prokrinoyn kai ayth th fora, tis dynameis eyqynhs.

XIWTHS: Sas akoysa prohgoymenws na anafereste kai sth leitoyrgia twn trapezwn, alla kai sthn prospaqeia poy katabalei h kybernhsh gia dhmosionomikh ejygiansh.

ANTWNAROS: Den xrhsimopoihsa egw kaqoloy ton oro ``dhmosionomikh ejygiansh''.

XIWTHS: Ayth den einai h basikh prospaqeia ths kybernhshs; Kanw laqos;

ANTWNAROS: Epeidh eipate oti anaferqhka shmera. Den anaferqhka s` ayto.

XIWTHS: Oxi, anaferqhkate stis prospaqeies poy kanei h kybernhsh gia na sygkrathsei toys oikonomikoys deiktes, epeidh yparxei ayth h krish. Gi` ayto to lew. Alla en pash periptwsei, den einai ayto to erwthma moy. To erwthma moy einai to ejhs. Yparxei ena dhmosieyma shmera sthn efhmerida ELEYQEROTYPIA, poy anaferei oti doqhkan mponoys arketwn ekatommyriwn eyrw se stelexh epixeirhsewn kai trapezwn, poly katw apo th xrhmatisthriakh ajia twn metoxwn. Doqhke to dikaiwma se stelexh trapezwn na apokthsoyn metoxes se times poly pio katw ths xrhmatisthriakhs toys ajias kai malista ta prosqeta esoda poy eixan, se ena meros htan aforologhta. Ayto anaferei to dhmosieyma. H dikh moy erwthsh einai: An exete eikona oti se ayta ta stelexh symperilambanontai kai stelexh trapezwn h dhmosiwn epixeirhsewn, sta opoia basikos metoxos einai to ellhniko Dhmosio kai an qewreite oti yparxei eyqynh twn manatzer poy dioikoyn aytes tis epixeirhseis gia toso xrysa mponoys, se mia periodo krishs.

ANTWNAROS: Opoios dinei yperbolikes amoibes, opoios dinei amoibes oi opoies prokaloyn to dhmosio aisqhma, asfalws einai katakriteos. Den yparxei kamia apolytws amfibolia oti h kybernhsh mesa apo to sxedio gia th reystothta sthn oikonomia, exei balei ena sygkekrimeno plaisio. Gnwrizete oti aytes tis hmeres qa topoqethqoyn oi Epitropoi stis trapezes, sta xrhmatopistwtika idrymata, poy metexoyn s` ayto to sxedio kai oi opoioi metajy twn allwn kaqhkontwn exoyn kai thn eyqynh toy elegxoy tetoiwn praktikwn.

KORAH: Dedomenoy oti ayta ta posa ta 200 ekatommyria eyrw hdh exoyn doqei, h kybernhsh qa probei se kapoies kinhseis;

ANTWNAROS: Egw den epibebaiwnw kan oti exoyn doqei h oxi. Egw sas eipa, oti kat` arxhn den gnwrizw gia poies xrhseis kai se poio diasthma anaferontai, an einai etsi. Qa moy epitrecete na enhmerwqw gi` ayto kai na sas pw ayrio h argotera shmera. Alla en pash periptwsei, sas lew th genikh, kentrikh topoqethsh ths kybernhshs panw s` ayto.

KORAH: Qa perimenoyme thn apanthsh sas.

KAKALHS: Meta thn ypodaylish ths dikommatikhs polwshs thn opoia epixeirhsate kai me th shmerinh sas arxikh topoqethsh, epimenete akomh oti oi prowres ekloges den einai sthn atzenta ths kybernhshs;

ANTWNAROS: Prwton, exei topoqethqei o Prwqypoyrgos gia to sygkekrimeno qema kai den exw na prosqesw kati. Deyteron, diafwnw kaqeta me ton tropo me ton opoio ermhneyete -alla einai, bebaia, dikaiwma sas- ton tropo me ton opoio egw topoqethqhka. Antiqetws eipa, oti den qa akoloyqhsw se kamia periptwsh to PASOK kai ton arxhgo toy, oyte ston tropo, oyte sta logia, oyte sto yfos, me ta opoia topoqethqhke xqes o idios.

KAKALHS: Me sygxwreite, o Prwqypoyrgos den exei topoqethqei safws. Kai thn perasmenh Paraskeyh sth Boylh, to afhse orqanoixto to qema, kata koinh omologia kai deyteron, exei jekinhsei proeklogikes emfaniseis. Erxetai na prosteqei kai h dikh sas ypodaylish ths dikommatikhs polwshs. Ola ayta den einai arketes endeijeis gia na peisoyn oti pame se prowres ekloges;

ANTWNAROS: Den yparxei tipote ap` ola ayta ta opoia lete. Kat` arxhn, o Prwqypoyrgos den ekane kamia proeklogikh emfanish.

KAKALHS: Sth Lamia ti ekane;

ANTWNAROS: O Prwqypoyrgos synexizei, opws kanei edw kai polloys mhnes tis episkeceis toy sthn Perifereia. Qa qymaste oti mesa s` ayth thn aiqoysa, me rwthsate stis arxes toy fqinopwroy, giati o Prwqypoyrgos eixe kapoio diasthma na paei se kapoio meros ektos Aqhnwn kai sas eipa oti oi episkeceis aytes ginontai kai synexizontai. Twra poy ginontai tis qewreite proeklogikes. Kati den paei kala ston tropo me ton opoio proseggizete ayto to qema. Den mporei na einai kai etsi kai alliws.

GALIATSATOS: Qa moy epitrecete na epimeinw ligo sthn erwthsh toy k. Kakalh kai na sas rwthsw, apo th stigmh poy lete eseis oti oi polites qa empisteyqoyn th monh dynamh eyqynhs poy einai h shmerinh kybernhsh, egw anarwtiemai, apo th stigmh poy h dedomenh kybernhsh exei mia poly isxyrh pleiochfia sth Boylh kai den tiqetai qema eklogwn, giati na empisteyqoyn oi polites; Den tiqetai qema empistosynhs twn politwn.

ANTWNAROS: Thn empisteyontai kaqe mera.

MELIGKWNHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, mas eipate prin oti oi polites qa empisteyqoyn th monh dynamh eyqynhs, dhladh, thn kybernhsh toy Kwsta Karamanlh gia na bgalei th xwra apo thn krish. O idios o Prwqypoyrgos mas eipe proxqes, omws, oti oi prospaqeies kai h boylhsh ths kybernhshs toy den arkoyn gia na bgei h xwra apo thn krish. Telika ti apo ta dyo isxyei;

ANTWNAROS: Ayto poy eipa einai safes. Lew kati poly aplo: Oti metajy ths aneyqynothtas toy kommatos ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs kai toy kommatos ths Neas Dhmokratias poy exei sxhmatisei edw kai pente xronia peripoy thn ypeyqynh kybernhsh ths xwras, oi polites empisteyontai thn kybernhsh ths Neas Dhmokratias kai ton Prwqypoyrgo Kwsta Karamanlh.

XIWTHS: Eipate prohgoymenws oti den akoloyqhsete ton arxhgo ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs to yfos me to opoio ekfrazetai kai sth synexeia shmeiwsa oti ton kathgorhsate gia akatasxeth eklogologia, akrato laikismo kai plhrh aneyqynothta...

ANTWNAROS: Ayto to eipa prin.

XIWTHS: Wraia. Poia einai h diafora toy yfoys, metajy twn oswn leei o k. Papandreoy kai osa lete eseis;

ANTWNAROS: Ma, ayto poy ekana egw einai antikeimenikes parathrhseis.

SMYRNHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, qa hqela na kanw mia erwthsh. Mas eipate ligo nwritera, oti o Prwqypoyrgos panta phgaine periodeies. Apla, sympiptoyn periodeies na phgainei o Prwqypoyrgos opote peftoyn kai ta noymera stis dhmoskophseis. Kai exoyme apeira paradeigmata ariqmwn.

ANTWNAROS: Qa sas apogohteysw. Den einai etsi. O Prwqypoyrgos se olo ayto to diasthma eixe epafh me thn ellhnikh Perifereia kai toys anqrwpoys ths ellhnikhs Perifereias. Ayto ginotan, ginetai kai qa synexisei na ginetai.

BASILAKOPOYLOS: Entajei. To qema omws einai oti se trishmish mhnes exei ekloges, etsi kai alliws, einai oi eyrwekloges. Qelw na moy peite to ejhs: Ypo aytes tis synqhkes kai afoy ekfrazete ap` oti katalaba thn aisiodojia sas gia thn epidosh toy kybernwntos kommatos, ti xarakthra dinete stis eyrwekloges; Ayton poy exoyn h kati pio politiko;

ANTWNAROS: Ayton poy pragmatika exoyn.

BASILAKOPOYLOS: Dhladh, qelete na peite oti den qa sas noiajei se eswteriko epipedo to apotelesma;

ANTWNAROS: Epanalambanw: Ayton poy pragmatika exoyn.

PALAIOLOGOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, sas akoyw stis erwthseis twn synadelfwn gia to endexomeno prowrwn eklogwn, na lete oti den yparxei kati tetoio, den blepete poyqena na yparxei kati tetoio. Oti parermhneyoyme genikotera tis proqeseis kai tis kinhseis toy Prwqypoyrgoy.

ANTWNAROS: Egw den eipa tipote ap` ola ayta ta opoia molis eseis anaferate.

PALAIOLOGOS: Eipate oti den yparxei qema eklogwn.

ANTWNAROS: Egw den eipa tipote apo osa moy eipate eseis. Eipa oti topoqethqhke thn perasmenh ebdomada o Prwqypoyrgos, me tropo poy gia mena einai apolyta jekaqaros.

PALAIOLOGOS: Kai eipate oti den ekane kamia proeklogikh emfanish o Prwqypoyrgos, den yparxei tipote se sxesh me qema eklogwn. Ayto eipate pro oligoy, ston k. Kakalh. Egw anarwtiemai, efoson eseis diaceydete to endexomeno prowrwn eklogwn, tote pws ejhgeite to fainomeno na bgainoyn sta diafora paraqyra, sta thleoptika paraqyra, oi boyleytes ths Neas Dhmokratias, na diagkwnizontai metajy toys, na ektojeyoyn boles o enas enantion toy alloy kai panta me fonto tis kalpes. Kai qa epanelqw pali sto erwthma toy synadelfoy. Prosfata, eidame dyo-treis fores na kanei thn epanemfanish toy to come back opws lew egw, o k. Boylgarakhs. Poy ta apodidete ola ayta;

ANTWNAROS: Den topoqetoymai kai den sxoliazw, opws sas exw pei, dhlwseis boyleytwn.

PALAIOLOGOS: Ma, den milaw gia dhlwseis boyleytwn. Milaw gia dhlwseis boyleytwn sto qema ths kalphs, sto qema twn eklogwn, sto qema twn chfodeltiwn, an qa einai h den qa einai ypochfioi. Ayto to fainomeno poy to apodidete;

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na pw kati pera ap` osa sas eipa.

XIWTHS: Diabazw epishs sthn efhmerida ELEYQEROS TYPOS shmera, mia apofash toy Efeteioy Aqhnwn, me thn opoia prokrinetai h epektash aytoy toy epidomatos twn 176 eyrw se oloys toys dhmosioys ypallhloys. Qelw na sas rwthsw, an ayto apotelei problhma gia thn kybernhsh. An dexetai th dikastikh apofash kai an skopeyei na xorhghsei ayto to epidoma poy ap` oti antilambanomai einai mia prosqeth epibarynsh arketwn ekatommyriwn eyrw.

ANTWNAROS: Den exw ypoch moy to sygkekrimeno qema. Parakalw na apeyqynqeite sta armodia Ypoyrgeia.

GKOYTZANHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, anaferqhkate prohgoymenws sto dhmosio xreos to opoio paralabate apo to PASOK. Mporeite na mas peite poia einai h poreia toy dhmosioy xreoys, alla qa hqela se apolytoys ariqmoys, oxi san pososto toy AEP gia na fanei pragmatika, an ayjhqhke ayth thn pentaetia h oxi; Giati, jerete yparxei mia dixognwmia edw, anamesa sthn kybernhsh kai sto PASOK.

ANTWNAROS: Einai gnwsta ayta ta stoixeia. Mporeite eykola na anatrejete kai na ta breite. Einai dhmosieymena stoixeia. Pantws, polla apo ta stoixeia ta opoia anaferei to PASOK, den exoyn kamia sxesh me thn pragmatikothta.

GKOYTZANHS: To PASOK leei oti se apolytoys ariqmoys to ayjhsate kai to emfanizete meiwmeno ws pososto toy AEP, giati apla ayjhsate to AEP, leei to PASOK, me plasmatiko tropo.

ANTWNAROS: Einai o gnwstos tropos, me ton opoio to PASOK proseggizei qemata ths oikonomias.

GALIATSATOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, qelw na sas pw oti diapistwnw se ayta poy mas leei h kybernhsh mia dialektikh antifash. Apo th mia pleyra, o Prwqypoyrgos sth Boylh -kai xqes sth Lamia- zhtaei synainesh apo thn antipoliteysh gia na jeperasei h xwra thn krish. Apo thn allh meria eseis erxeste edw kai milate, kathgoreite thn antipoliteysh gia akatasxeth eklogologia, akrato laikismo, plhrh aneyqynothta. Ayto to pragma pws to ejhgeite; Dhladh, pws einai dynaton na zhtas apo kapoion synainesh ston opoion epitiqesai thn idia stigmh me poly sfodro tropo;

ANTWNAROS: Para poly aplo: Otan zhtw apo kapoion synainesh kai toy zhtw na symbalei oysiastika, apotelesmatika, epoikodomhtika sthn ejeyresh mias koinhs lyshs gia problhmata poy einai koina gia oloys mas, kai opws eipe o Prwqypoyrgos den exoyn kommatiko oyte xrwma, oyte xarakthra, ayto bebaiws den moy apagoreyei -antiqetws qa elega- moy epibalei na diapistwnw thn kateyqynsh, thn opoia exei xarajei na phgainei -kai ennow thn entelws antiqeth kateyqynsh- aytos me ton opoio qelw na synennohqw. Kai ayto diapistwnw. Einai diapistwtiko ayto to opoio ekana.

BASILAKOPOYLOS: Na sas paw se ena pio ejeidikeymeno qema. Sto plaisio ths kataskeyhs toy agwgoy fysikoy aerioy eixe apofasistei h dhmioyrgia, leei, ergostasioy sympieshs sth Sagiada. Meta apo ligo kairo kai enw eixan jekinhsei oi ergasies, allaxqhke h gnwmh kai phge ayth h kataskeyh sthn Perdika, poy einai kamia 60aria xiliometra, moy lene, makrytera apo ta italika paralia ap` o,ti h Sagiada. Peran toy oti oi katoikoi se mia kataggelia poy hrqe se emena proswpika, eggrafh kai enypografh, kataggelloyn prooptikh toyristikoy marasmoy ths perioxhs Sybota ktl, kataggelloyn kai kati allo pio sobaro. Sthn epitroph katoikwn poy katebhke edw ston k. Mpeza, topiko boyleyth ths, boyleyths Artas, na ton enhmerwsoyn kai na paroyn kapoies apanthseis...

ANTWNAROS: Den einai boyleyths Artas o k. Mpezas.

BASILAKOPOYLOS: Sygnwmh, einai boyleyths Qesprwtias, me sygxwreite. Diko moy laqos, lektiko. H apanthsh poy phran htan oti h kataskeyh toy ergostasioy qa ginei sthn Perdika, akomh kai an xreiastei na aneboyn ta MAT. Ayto einai poly sobaro an isxyei. Exete kapoio sxolio;

ANTWNAROS: Parakalw, na apeyqynqeite sto armodio Ypoyrgeio Anaptyjhs. Den mporw na gnwrizw tetoia eidika qemata poy den einai, allwste, antikeimeno ths enhmerwshs toy Kybernhtikoy Ekproswpoy.

GKOYTZANHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, o boyleyths Fqiwtidas k. Qanashs Giannopoylos eipe oti qa protimoyse o Prwqypoyrgos apo th mia plateia ths Lamias sthn allh na phgaine me ta podia kai oxi me aytokinhto. Stis periodeies toy o Prwqypoyrgos apofeygei thn epafh me ton kosmo kai gi` ayto phgainei me aytokinhto, opws ypainissetai o boyleyths;

ANTWNAROS: Den kanw sxolia. Den gnwrizw kan an yparxei tetoia dhlwsh.

DHMADHS: Akoyme synexeia ton Prwqypoyrgo kai esas kai ola ta stelexh ths kybernhshs kai toy kommatos sas na epikaloyntai thn ennoia ths synaineshs. Zhtoyn synainesh gia thn antimetwpish ths oikonomikhs krishs kai ola ta sxetika. Egw qa hqela na rwthsw se ti synistatai ayth h ennoia kai o oros ths synaineshs. Dhladh, kaleite to PASOK na synainesei poy kai se ti;

ANTWNAROS: Kaloyme oles tis politikes dynameis sth xwra na symbaloyn epoikodomhtika, oysiastika, apotelesmatika sthn ejeyresh ekeinwn twn lysewn, poy mesa se ayth th dieqnh oikonomikh krish poy ejelissetai me gorgoys ryqmoys, einai aparaithtes. Kai to lew ayto me thn ejhs ennoia: Stroyqokamhlismoi, anafores se montela poy den efarmozontai poyqena ston kosmo h en pash periptwsei sthn Eyrwph, dhqen lyseis poy einai kena logia deixnoyn akribws oti mexri stigmhs -kai ayto einai dysaresto- den yparxei oyte proqesh, oyte oysia gia synainesh. Emeis omws den qa stamathsoyme na thn apozhtoyme. Giati pisteyoyme oti ayto einai aparaithto kai gia oloys toys anqrwpoys poy zoyn se ayto ton topo kai gia ton topo mas synolika.

DHMADHS: Kala ola ayta, alla den akoysame kapoia desmh protasewn apo pleyras sas, tis opoies zhtate apo ta kommata ths antipoliteyshs na synainesoyn kai na syndiallageite panw se aytes. O k. Karatzaferhs sth Boylh kateqese gia paradeigma ena plaisio protasewn, 20 protasewn an den kanw laqos, kai zhthse th synainesh ths kybernhshs panw se aytes. Eseis panw se poies protaseis, panw se poioys qematikoys tomeis zhtate th synainesh ayth;

ANTWNAROS: Emeis tis protaseis mas tis ferame sth Boylh, tis syzhthsame kai chfisthkan. Se ola eipan oxi. To PASOK eipe se ola oxi. Aytos einai genikos arnhtismos, einai genikh arnhsh se otidhpote epoikodomhtiko.

GKOYTZANHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, prin anakoinwsete ta metra sas eixate epidiwjei kapoia synainesh me ta ypoloipa politika kommata kai kapoio dialogo prin ta anakoinwsete;

ANTWNAROS: Ta metra ola, gnwrizete, erxontai me th morfh protasewn poy einai to nomosxedio. Prin kan chfistei sth Boylh, to metro syzhteitai kai sthn Epitroph kai sthn Olomeleia. Eidate na kanoyn kamia epoikodomhtikh protash; Oxi, oxi, oxi, oxi. Ayth htan h qesh toys.

DHMADHS: Nai, alla qa hqela na epanelqw sto qema ayto kai na sas rwthsw mesa se poio plegma, mesa se poio plaisio prepei na yparjei enas epoikodomhtikos, opws ton xarakthrizete eseis, dialogos gia na epiteyxqei ayth h synainesh. Gia paradeigma, h sygklish toy symboylioy politikwn arxhgwn, den qa mporoyse na protaqei apo ton Prwqypoyrgo, prokeimenoy na yparjei...

ANTWNAROS: Ta exoyme syzhthsei. Mhn epistrefete se ayta. H Dhmokratia leitoyrgei me sygkekrimenoys kanones. Opoios qelei na symbalei exei kai toys diayloys kai tis dynatothtes na symbalei. Ftanei na qelei na symbalei.

KAKALHS: Mporeite na mas peite poy sthrizete thn aytareskh ektimhsh sas oti oi polites empisteyontai thn kybernhsh gia na bgalei th xwra apo thn krish; Ayto poy eida egw einai oti sta gkalop, toylaxiston enas stoys dyo den qewrei ikanh oyte thn kybernhsh toy PASOK, oyte ths Neas Dhmokratias gia kati tetoio. Kai deyteron, mporeite na mas peite apo to sxedio ejodoy apo thn krish ena metro poy na qigei toys oikonomika isxyroys;

ANTWNAROS: Opws gnwrizete, epeidh milate synexeia gia dhmoskophseis, oi dhmoskophseis -to exw pei kai alles fores- einai apotypwsh ths stigmhs. To poios qa analabei thn eyqynh na kybernhsei mia xwra to apofasizoyn oi anqrwpoi, oi chfoforoi, o laos, opws qelete peste to, thn wra poy fqanei sthn kalph. Egw, loipon, exw th bebaiothta oti h megalh pleiochfia twn Ellhnwn politwn empisteyontai th shmerinh kybernhsh. Kai qa sas pw ola ta metra, efoson qelete, loipon, alla qa sas ta dwsw ayrio h argotera ola, se megalo paketo gia na ta exete. Fantazomai oti qa ta dhmosieysete, den qa exete kamia tetoia epifylajh.

KAKALHS: An einai gia toys isxyroys, safws qa ta dhmosieysw. Desmeyomai.

KORAH: Kyrie Ekproswpe, meta ton k. Roysopoylo kai ton k. Doyka, kai o prwhn Ypoyrgos o k. Boylgarakhs, dhlwse oti qa diekdikhsei thn epaneklogh toy sthn A' Aqhnas. Qelw to sxolio sas.

ANTWNAROS: Ejantlhqhke to qema apo mena apo thn perasmenh ebdomada. Den exw na pw kati allo.

KORAH: To gegonos oti o k. Boylgarakhs einai hdh boyleyths eklegmenos kai me bash to katastatiko toy kommatos, logika qewreitai aytodikaia ypochfios.

ANTWNAROS: Den eimai ekproswpos toy kommatos ths Neas Dhmokratias. Topoqethqhka ws Kybernhtikos Ekproswpos thn perasmenh ebdomada.

KORAH: Prin apo ligo doqhke sth dhmosiothta h ekqesh ths Trapezas ths Ellados, opoy symfwna me tis ektimhseis aytes, h anaptyjh den qa jeperasei to 0,5%. Dhladh, ektos apo thn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh amfisbhtei kai h Trapeza ths Ellados ta stoixeia toy epikairopoihmenoy programmatos ths kybernhshs. Ayto den sas problhmatizei;

ANTWNAROS: Egw to blepw kai to diabazw diaforetika. Oti h Trapeza ths Ellados amfisbhtei thn problech ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs. Synepws ayto ti shmainei;

KORAH: Einai 0,2% ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs kai 0,5% ths Trapezas ths Ellados. Katwtera toy 1,2%, toy 1%.

ANTWNAROS: Egw ti qelw na pw me ayto: Emeis ws kybernhsh exoyme kanei thn epishmh problech mas. Ekane kai dhlwsh ep` aytoy, thn Paraskeyh to apogeyma o Ypoyrgos Oikonomias k. Papaqanasioy sthn opoia sas parapempw synolika. Brisketai h Ellada, h ellhnikh kybernhsh se synexh diaboyleysh, opws briskontai kai alles xwres ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs, me thn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh kai toys etairoys mas. Epeidh polla eipwqhkan kai grafthkan thn Paraskeyh kai to Sabbatokyriako, sas metaferw mia frash apo th dhlwsh toy k. Papaqanasioy: ``Den yparxei qema aporrichs toy epikairopoihmenoy programmatos staqerothtas kai anaptyjhs. Yparxei diafora ektimhshs ws pros ton ryqmo anaptyjhs. H Eyrwpaikh Enwsh problepei 0,2%, emeis 1,1%''. Kai ejhgei o k. Papaqanasioy giati emeis pisteyoyme oti ayto mporei na epiteyxqei kai qa epiteyxqei. Ayth einai h qesh mas.

MELIGKWNHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, gnwrizete an exei klhqei na kataqesei ws martyras gia thn ypoqesh, gia ta osa kataggellei o efoplisths k. Manoyshs sxetika me ton Aristotelh Paylidh, o dieyqynths toy Grafeioy toy Prwqypoyrgoy o k. Aggeloy;

ANTWNAROS: Mexri thn wra poy efeyga apo to grafeio moy den eixa tetoia sygkekrimenh plhroforia. Qa hqela omws na sas pw oti an o k. Aggeloy klhqei na kataqesei, einai aytonohto oti qa antapokriqei sthn prosklhsh thn opoia qa labei. Dioti, einai poly aplo to ti exei symbei. Sas ypenqymizw orismena apo ta gnwsta, edw kai polloys mhnes, peristatika ths ypoqeshs poy diereynatai. Einai stoixeia ta opoia exw anaferei kai allote sthn aiqoysa enhmerwshs, den lew kati to kainoyrgio. To prwi ths 27hs Aprilioy toy 2007, enhmerwqhke o k. Aggeloy thlefwnika gia to en logw qema. Amesws o idios epikoinwnhse me ton tews ypoyrgo k. Paylidh, o opoios epishs xwris xronotribh, kateqese mhnythria anafora ston Eisaggelea toy Areioy Pagoy. Me bash ayth thn kinhsh kai thn prwtoboylia toy k. Paylidh arxise h dikastikh diereynhsh h opoia synexizetai twra. Ayta einai gnwsta, loipon, stoixeia kai opws sas eipa ean klhqei o k. Aggeloy qa proselqei, bebaiws, na kataqesei.

PALAIOLOGOS: Ep` aytoy. To gegonos oti o epixeirhmatias k. Manoyshs epimenei stis kataggelies toy kai dhmosia, pera dhladh apo thn taktikh anakrish, problhmatizei thn kybernhsh;

ANTWNAROS: Opws exw pei kai alles fores, h kybernhsh sebetai thn anejarthsia ths Dikaiosynhs kai den sxoliazei ereynes poy briskontai se ejelijh, oyte bebaia dikastikes apofaseis. Qa hqela omws na sas pw oti to endiaferomeno proswpo to opoio anaferate epikaleitai, metajy twn allwn, epistoles tis opoies exei steilei pros to Grafeio toy Prwqypoyrgoy, oi opoies shmeiwteon -kai ayto einai gnwsto, den einai kati kainoyrio- estalhsan polles ebdomades meta, h prwth, dyo mhnes afoy me prwtoboylia toy k. Paylidh eixe dromologhqei h dikastikh diereynhsh toy qematos.

ZORMPA: Kyrie Ekproswpe, exete kanei safes kai shmera kai tis prohgoymenes hmeres oti to PASOK kai oi boyleytes toy, antimetwpizoyn me aneyqynothta thn politikh zwh toy topoy aytes tis krisimes wres poy sobei h oikonomikh krish. Oi dikoi sas...

ANTWNAROS: To PASOK kai h hgetikh toy omada.

ZORMPA: Kai h hgetikh toy omada. Gia toys dikoys sas boyleytes eiste ikanopoihmenos apo ton tropo poy antidroyn kai poy politeyontai ayth th stigmh se o,ti afora thn oikonomikh krish;

ANTWNAROS: Den krinw pote, opws gnwrizete, ton tropo me ton opoio symperiferontai memonwmena politika atoma. Egw ekeino to opoio gnwrizw einai oti -qa to pw gia mia akomh fora- h Nea Dhmokratia, diaqetei sthn prajh, oysiastika, mia sympagh Koinoboyleytikh Omada.

KAKALHS: Eipate prohgoymenws oti h kybernhsh ergazetai gia thn pragmatikh apasxolhsh kai th dhmioyrgia newn qesewn ergasias. Ayto to kanei dinontas to prasino fws ston dioikhth ths DEH na proxwrhsei se elastikes ergasiakes sxeseis sthn epixeirhsh;

ANTWNAROS: Exei topoqethqei ep` aytoy o k. Xatzhdakhs, o Ypoyrgos Anaptyjhs.

KAKALHS: Parepemce se allon Ypoyrgo. Telos pantwn, eseis den exete qesh;

ANTWNAROS: Exei topoqethqei o armodios Ypoyrgos.

SMYRNHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, mazi me ton ogkwdh fakelo poy xrwstate ston k. Kakalh gia thn oikonomia, qa mas dwsete kai merika stoixeia gia thn egklhmatikothta kai to an ta exei kataferei kala h Ellhnikh Astynomia; Giati me bash ta stoixeia poy eidame shmera, exei ayjhqei shmantika h egklhmatikothta kai mia apo tis desmeyseis sas htan kai h asfaleia toy polith.

ANTWNAROS: Parakalw na apeyqynqeite sto Ypoyrgeio Eswterikwn.

TSIOYFOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, diapistwsate prin apo ligo to aytonohto, oti oi kybernhseis kai ta kommata krinontai thn wra ths kalphs. Otan omws diapistwnete sthn arxikh sas topoqethsh oti oi polites qa empisteyqoyn th shmerinh kybernhsh, ayta ta dyo, an ta syndyasei kaneis den qa mporoyse na isxyristei oti epanatrofodoteite thn eklogologia;

ANTWNAROS: Asfalws kai oxi. Antiqetws. Egw bazw terma sthn eklogologia. Teleia kai payla. Alloi, kai edw se ayth thn aiqoysa tolmw na pw -lypamai poy to lew- kai ektos ayths ths aiqoyshs, milane synexeia gia ekloges.

GKOYTZANHS: Poy to apodidete ayto;

ANTWNAROS: Den prokeitai se kamia periptwsh na ekfrasw edw proswpikes moy apoceis.

FANIDHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, epeidh den sxoliazete apoceis h dhlwseis boyleytwn, mhpws qa qelate na sxoliasete dhlwseis politikwn arxhgwn san ki ayth poy ekane o k. Karatzaferhs legontas, se thleoptikh ekpomph, oti qa einai o ayrianos Prwqypoyrgos;

ANTWNAROS: Kanena sxolio.

XRHSTAKOS: Qelw na epistrecw sta qemata oikonomias, epeidh anaferqhkate sto qema daneiodothshs kai epitokiwn, ola ayta poy aforoyn tis trapezes kai kyriws gia ta stegastika. Qa exete diabasei kai eseis olo ayto to teleytaio diasthma, opws kai oloi mas, se oles tis efhmerides, alla kai stelexh ths kybernhshs symfwnoyn se ayto, oti para to gegonos twn eggyhsewn poy exoyn pia oi trapezes mesw toy gnwstoy programmatos ths kybernhshs kai ta epitokia ta opoia eseis krinete oti einai xamhla...

ANTWNAROS: Egw den krinw oti einai xamhla. Egw krinw oti einai xamhlotera apo to 2004 poy kybernoyse to PASOK.

XRHSTAKOS: Wraia. Egw synexizw, loipon, gia na kanw kai to erwthma moy, legontas oti oloi diapistwnoyn kai qelw na moy peite ki eseis an einai etsi, oti oi trapezes, para to gegonos, loipon, oti exoyn eggyhseis, den dinoyn daneia oyte stegastika, oyte katanalwtika kai kyriws oyte epixeirhmatika stis mikromesaies epixeirhseis, oi opoies kai apo proswpikh antilhch toy xwroy poy exw, gnwrizw oti ayto to diasthma pnigontai. Yparxei kapoio sxedio gi` ayto; Dhladh gia to na ejyphretoyn oi trapezes me tis eggyhseis poy exoyn tis kratikes, toys dikaioyxoys;

ANTWNAROS: Yparxoyn oi elegktikes kai oi asfalistikes dikleides, oi opoies leitoyrgoyn kyriws mesw ths Trapezas ths Ellados. To exw pei kai thn perasmenh ebdomada. Kai bebaiws ayto qa entaqei, qa ginei akomh pio apotelesmatiko, eimai bebaios, me thn topoqethsh twn Epitropwn stis trapezes poy metexoyn se ayto to sxedio. Giati oi trapezes poy pairnoyn tis eggyhseis, exoyn ypoxrewsh na antapokriqoyn plhrws stis ypoxrewseis toys.

SMYRNHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, exei rwthsei kai ligo nwritera kai h k. Korah. Aytoi oi epitropoi, an apo toys elegxoys, otan topoqethqoyn, diapistwsoyn oti eginan egklhmata me bonus se golden boys, qa mporesoyn anadromika na epibaloyn kapoies kyrwseis stis trapezes poy hdh pairnoyn xrhmata twn politwn;

ANTWNAROS: Den perimenete fysika oti qa mporesw egw apo ayth th qesh na anaferqw se qemata efarmoghs twn nomwn. Oi nomoi omws einai ekei gia na efarmozontai.

Sas eyxaristw.

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