Greek Government Press Briefing, 09-02-02

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Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Deytera, 2 Febroyarioy 2009

Ariqmos Deltioy: 183948648

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O KYBERNHTIKOS EKPROSWPOS

Aqhna, 2 Febroyarioy 2009

EYAGGELO ANTWNARO

Kalhmera, kalh ebdomada kai kalo mhna.

" Shmera, Deytera, 2 Febroyarioy, stis 13.30, o Prwqypoyrgos k. Kwstas Karamanlhs, mazi me toys Ypoyrgoys Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn k. Giannh Papaqanasioy kai Apasxolhshs k. Fanh Pallh-Petralia, qa synanthqei sto Megaro Majimoy me to Proedreio ths Genikhs Synomospondias Ergatwn Ellados, meta apo grapto aithma, to opoio diatypwsan pros ton Prwqypoyrgo, oi ekproswpoi ths Genikhs Synomospondias Ergatwn Ellados.

" Ayrio, stis 12.00, qa synedriasei, ypo thn proedria toy Prwqypoyrgoy k. Kwsta Karamanlh, h Kybernhtikh Epitroph, sto Megaro Majimoy. Gia to qema ths synedriashs qa enhmerwqeite argotera.

H ayrianh enhmerwsh qa ginei meta thn oloklhrwsh ths synedriashs ths Kybernhtikhs Epitrophs.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Kyrie Ekproswpe, qa hqela na katalabw to skeptiko ths kybernhshs poy apofasise na mhn epitrecei stoys agrotes apo thn Krhth, na kanoyn thn poreia toys me ta trakter kai na fqasoyn sto Ypoyrgeio Agrotikhs Anaptyjhs kai giati, prospaqw na katalabw pragmatika, poios iqynwn noys brisketai pisw apo olo ayto to sxedio, opoy traymatisthkan anqrwpoi, syntajioyxoi, synelhfqhsan oi diadhlwtes, xtyphqhke boyleytina toy PASOK kai en pash periptwsei, exei dhmioyrghqei ena xaos shmera, sthn perioxh toy Peiraia, mono kai mono, gia na mhn epitrapei na kanoyn thn poreia ta trakter mexri to Ypoyrgeio.

ANTWNAROS: Shmasia exei na diejagoyn oi endiaferomenoi to dialogo, ton opoio epidiwkoyn, me toys armodioys toy Ypoyrgeioy Agrotikhs Anaptyjhs. Sto dialogo ayto, h kybernhsh einai anoixth. Hdh, apo proxqes, eixe diamhnyqei stoys endiaferomenoys oti o Ypoyrgos Agrotikhs Anaptyjhs k. Swthrhs Xatzhgakhs, qa mporoyse xqes na toys synanthsei sto Ypoyrgeio. Toys orise, dhladh - -xwris na dieyqethqei h akribhs wra- - ena ranteboy gia na synanthqoyn kai na milhsoyn gia ta qemata poy toys apasxoloyn. Kai to lew ayto gia xqes, dioti, opws gnwrizete, o k. Xatzhgakhs eprokeito, symfwna me to programma to opoio eixe - -kai etsi egine- - na anaxwrhsei shmera gia tis Bryjelles, prokeimenoy na exei ekei diaboyleyseis me thn Eyrwpaikh Epitroph kai alloys iqynontes. Pera apo ayto, otan efqasan oi agrotes ths Krhths shmera ston Peiraia, toys diamhnyqhke epishs apo ton armodio Yfypoyrgo k. Mixalh Papadopoylo, oti einai etoimos na toys synanthsei kai sto grafeio toy h an den qeloyn na pane sto grafeio toy - -kai qa phgainan ekei me poylman poy qa toys dieqete h ellhnikh Politeia- - qa mporoyse kallista na katebei o idios ston Peiraia gia na syzhthsoyn. To oysiastiko, dhladh, einai na ginei syzhthsh, oxi na ginei diadhlwsh me trakter mesa sto kentro ths polhs, kati poy den exei ginei pote kai na parakwlyqei oloklhrh h leitoyrgia ths. Synepws, osoi prospaqhsan me yperbolikes energeies na bgoyn apo to limani, aplws apwqhqhkan apo tis dynameis ths tajhs. De nomizw oti h syntriptikh pleiochfia twn politwn ths Aqhnas kai oxi mono, qa epikrotoyse mia tetoia diamartyria, poy lew: Stoxo den exei to dialogo; H kybernhsh einai anoixth sto dialogo. Qa prepei kai h allh pleyra, an qelei, na kanei dialogo.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Poly wraia. Akoysa thn apanthsh sas. Egw, omws, den katalabainw to ejhs: An, en pash periptwsei, oi agrotes hqelan na diamartyrhqoyn, giati qewroyn oti den symperilambanontai mesa sto paketo twn 500 ekatommyriwn eyrw, h apanthsh htan ta dakrygona; H apanthsh htan to na peftei jylo sto kentriko limani toy Peiraia; Kai th stigmh, malista, kyrie Ekproswpe, poy o k. Markogiannakhs, molis xqes eixe pei ``emeis den jefoyskwnoyme lastixa, oyte xtypame, opws xtyphse to PASOK toys syntajioyxoys''. Den xtypate;

ANTWNAROS: Akribws ayto einai poy den egine...

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Den xtyphsate; Den rijate dakrygona shmera; Ta blepei olos o kosmos stis thleoraseis.

ANTWNAROS: Ta dakrygona den einai kinhsh bias. Einai kinhsh apwqhshs kapoiwn, oi opoioi qeloyn na paralysoyn th leitoyrgia oloklhrhs ths polhs. Sto allo qema sto opoio anaferqhkate, symfwna me thn plhroforhsh thn opoia exw, gia toys agrotes ths Krhths kai sygkekrimena gia toys elaioparagwgoys exei problefqei poso apozhmiwsewn gia tis kalliergeies toys. Synolika, gia toys elaioparagwgoys se olh thn Ellada, an qymamai kala, einai 50 ekatommyria eyrw kai qa ginei h katanomh. Parola tayta - -epanalambanw gia mia akomh fora- - oi armodioi ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs einai ekei gia na syzhthsoyn. Kai shmasia exei o dialogos.

XIWTHS: Sto idio qema. H kybernhsh, parola ayta, exei thn apoch oti oi Ellhnes mporoyn na diadhlwnoyn eleyqera. Kai anarwtiemai, giati den mporoyn oi idiokthtes twn trakter, oi agrotes na diadhlwsoyn eleyqera, otan h Astynomia sto prosfato parelqon exei epitrecei se omades na paralysoyn thn polh, otan malista aytes oi omades oyte to dialogo eixan ws stoxo toys, kai koykoyles foroysan kai katastrofes ekanan. Giati, dhladh, deixnete stoys agrotes mia allh strathgikh ap` ayth poy eixate mexri to prosfato parelqon;

ANTWNAROS: H ellhnikh kybernhsh deixnei pros toys ekproswpoys twn Ellhnwn agrotwn mia strathgikh, gia na xrhsimopoihsw th dikh sas frash, katanohshs kai antimetwpishs twn problhmatwn ta opoia exoyn kai twn aithmatwn ta opoia ypoballoyn. Eimai bebaios - -kai den ennow esas proswpika - - oti prwtoi qa eixate speysei na cejete thn kybernhsh kai na epikrinete thn kybernhsh, ean eixe epitrecei na metatrapei h meizwn perioxh twn Aqhnwn, se mia perioxh poy qa htan oloklhrwtika apokleismenh. Kaneis den qa mporoyse na paei poyqena. Shmasia - -epanalambanw gia mia akomh fora- - exei o dialogos. Qeloyn to dialogo; Osoi qeloyn to dialogo, briskoyn tis portes ths kybernhshs anoiktes. Einai anoiktes kai qa paramenoyn anoiktes.

TSIOYFOS: Se ena allo qema k. Ekproswpe. Peste moy, apo th stigmh poy h kybernhsh me kaqe tropo diateinetai oti den yfistatai qema prowrwn eklogwn, giati syntonismena dyo koryfaioi Ypoyrgoi, o k. Paylopoylos, h k. Mpakogiannh, alla kai o Grammateas toy kommatos k. Zagoriths, eqesan qema eklogikoy nomoy; Efoson den tiqetai qema eklogwn, pros ti;

ANTWNAROS: Ennoeite thn anafora sth diatajh toy Syntagmatos.

TSIOYFOS: Qema eklogikoy nomoy.

ANTWNAROS: Dioti osa eqesan ta tria proswpa poy anaferate, exoyn sxesh me mia diatajh toy Syntagmatos poy leei sygkekrimena pragmata. Kai den mporw na antilhfqw giati h syzhthsh gia mia diatajh toy Syntagmatos, eklambanetai aytomatws, aney logoy, ws eklogologia. Den einai. Ekeino to opoio qelei na pei h kybernhsh einai kati poly aplo: H xwra - -to exoyme pei kai to janaleme- - xreiazetai oso to dynaton pio staqerh kybernhsh. Kai pisteyei, akribws, oti me thn efarmogh toy sygkekrimenoy arqroy toy Syntagmatos - -an den me apata h mnhmh moy einai to arqro 54- - kai thn efarmogh apo tis epomenes ekloges toy eklogikoy nomoy poy kanonika qa eprepe na efarmostei stis meqepomenes ekloges, ejasfalizetai isxyroterh kybernhsh, isxyroterh pleiochfia. Twra, to PASOK epilegei na to aporricei. Einai dikaiwma toy. Krinetai, omws, gi` ayto apo ton ellhniko lao.

BASILAKOPOYLOS: Dhladh, ean to PASOK elege h apantoyse katafatika se ayth thn protash poy diatypwse kai o Ypoyrgos Eswterikwn, h Ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn kai o Grammateas toy kommatos, den qa shmaine oti pame amesa se ekloges; Apla qa isxye ayth h desmeysh gia to 2010 h 2011;

ANTWNAROS: Einai diatajh syntagmatikh. Den orizei to xrono eklogwn. Orizei poios eklogikos nomos qa efarmostei stis epomenes ekloges.

BASILAKOPOYLOS: Isws den katalabate to erwthma moy. Efoson den syntrexei logos na kanoyme twra ekloges, opws sas exw akoysei me polloys tropoys na lete polles fores, ean o k. Paylopoylos, h k. Mpakogiannh kai o k. Zagoriths eixan eisakoystei apo to komma ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs kai mazeyontan aytes oi 200 chfoi poy einai aparaithtes sth Boylh, den qa shmaine oti pame ayrio se ekloges; Qa shmaine oti ayto isxyei gia enamish xrono meta;

ANTWNAROS: Sas apanthsa sthn prohgoymenh erwthsh poy moy kanate. Kai sas lew oti opoiadhpote syzhthsh gia to xrono twn eklogwn einai akairh.

TSIOYFOS: Ep` aytoy, mporw; Egw to katalabainw oti lete einai akairh opoiadhpote syzhthsh gia to qema twn eklogwn...

ANTWNAROS: Gia to qema toy xronoy twn eklogwn.

TSIOYFOS: Nai, gia to qema toy xronoy twn eklogwn. Giati den einai akairh kai mia syzhthsh gia thn allagh toy eklogikoy nomoy;

ANTWNAROS: Sas edwsa analytikh apanthsh sthn prwth erwthsh poy moy kanate.

XIWTHS: Parola ayta, para thn arnhsh twn kommatwn ths antipoliteyshs na dexqoyn thn protash ths kybernhshs, h erwthsh moy einai, h kybernhsh qa analabei kai epishmws thn prwtoboylia na ferei sth Boylh ayth th diatajh kai na ginei h chfoforia, opws prepei na ginei, kanonika.

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na pw kati sxetika me ayto.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Qa hqela na epanelqw sto prwto qema, sto agrotiko. Qa hqela na sas rwthsw to ejhs: Pisteyete oti pisw apo tis shmerines kinhtopoihseis briskontai kapoia kommata, briskontai kapoioi;

ANTWNAROS: Exw topoqethqei gia ola ayta ta qemata. Me ton idio akribws tropo moy eixan teqei oi erwthseis tis amesws prohgoymenes hmeres. O,ti exw pei, isxyei.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Ep` aytoy. Na sas to kanw pio sygkekrimeno. Epeidh yparxei, diabazoyme shmera kai se polles efhmerides, enas emfylios mesa sth Nea Dhmokratia. Kai qa sas pw sygkekrimena oti o k. Giannopoylos kai o k. Nikhforakhs exoyn askhsei kritikh gia toys xeirismoys poy ekane o k. Xatzhgakhs, enw o k. Kokkinoylhs kathgorhse, en pash periptwsei, ton k. Giannopoylo oti eyqynetai gia ton katakermatismo toy agrotikoy kinhmatos. Pisteyete oti pisw apo tis kinhtopoihseis, dedomenoy oti h Krhth einai ena sygkekrimeno meros poy elegxetai apo ton k. Mhtsotakh, qa mporoyse na yparxoyn pisw apo aytes tis kinhtopoihseis poy eginan shmera anqrwpoi oi opoioi proskeintai sthn antilhch toy k. Mhtsotakh;

ANTWNAROS: Den mporw na sas parakoloyqhsw se tetoia apiqana senaria, ta opoia diatypwnete.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Krima. Se allo qema, moy epitrepete; Na pame se mia synenteyjh poy exei dwsei shmera sta ``NEA'' h k. Mpakogiannh. Se ayth th synenteyjh, loipon, h k. Mpakogiannh erwtatai ``telika th megalyterh zhmia sth Nea Dhmokratia thn ekane to Batopaidi h h oikonomikh politikh ths kybernhshs;''. ``Th megalyterh zhmia sthn politikh thn yfistatai kaneis otan xanei thn pyjida toy, otan protima na kryfqei pisw apo to daktylo toy anti na tolmhsei na kinhqei pros ta empros''. Eseis ti katalabainete;

ANTWNAROS: Egw katalabainw oti h k. Mpakogiannh anagnwrizei akribws sthn kybernhsh oti me oles tis prwtoboylies, tis opoies pairnei, kineitai synexws pros ta empros gia na antimetwpizei ta problhmata, ta opoia prokyptoyn sth xwra.

KAPRALOS: Hqela na paw se ena allo qema k. Ekproswpe kai na rwthsw an problhmatizei thn kybernhsh oti kapoies etairies apesyran to endiaferon toys apo th diadikasia ths apokratikopoihshs ths Olympiakhs. Ti qa ginei apo dw kai pera; Mporeite na mas peite kapoia pragmata;

ANTWNAROS: H diadikasia, opws gnwrizete, brisketai se ejelijh. Qa ejetastoyn ola ta stoixeia ta opoia yparxoyn, otan anoixqoyn oi fakeloi twn ependytwn, poy exoyn kataqesei oi ypochfioi ependytes apo toys nomikoys kai oikonomikoys symboyloys ths ellhnikhs kybernhshs kai apo ton Epitropo parakoloyqhshs poy exei oristei apo thn ellhnikh kybernhsh se synennohsh me thn Eyrwpaikh Epitroph kai toy opoioy h paroysia ejasfalizei enan akomh pio megalo baqmo diafaneias sthn olh diadikasia. Safhs eikona den qa yparjei kai den mporei na yparxei mexri thn Tetarth, opote symfwna me tis plhrofories poy exw apo ta armodia Ypoyrgeia, qa synedriasei h Diypoyrgikh Epitroph Apokratikopoihsewn. Tote, loipon, qa exoyme kai perissotera stoixeia.

SWTHRIADOY: Kyrie Ekproswpe, qelw na rwthsw an problhmatizei thn kybernhsh to gegonos oti kaqhmerina exoyme megales akyrwseis krathsewn, ston toyrismo anaferomai, gia to kalokairi poy mas erxetai, poy aggizoyn ews kai to 50% se orismenes periptwseis.

ANTWNAROS: Den gnwrizw ta stoixeia. Eyxaristws na enhmerwqw kai na sas apanthsw. Mporeite, omws, eykola na apeyqynqeite ston Ypoyrgo Toyristikhs Anaptyjhs k. Kwsta Markopoylo, o opoios qa sas dwsei osa stoixeia diaqetei.

XIWTHS: Gia to qema ths Olympiakhs, qa hqela na sas rwthsw. Para to gegonos oti ta stoixeia den einai gnwsta, yparxoyn plhrofories ston Typo oti oi etairies poy exoyn ekdhlwsei endiaferon, prosferoyn poly xamhlo kostos ejagoras ths Olympiakhs. Hqela, loipon, na sas rwthsw, to monadiko krithrio gia thn idiwtikopoihsh ths Olympiakhs paramenei h ekdhlwsh prosforas h yparxei periptwsh o diagwnismos na kriqei agonos sthn periptwsh poy kriqoyn poly xamhles oi prosfores;

ANTWNAROS: Anejarthtoi apotimhtes exoyn kanei sxetikh apotimhsh. Kaneis den gnwrizei to ycos ths apotimhshs. Ekeino poy mas endiaferei einai na ginei mia ygihs, swsth apokratikopoihsh.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: O k. Karaxalios, o prwhn, kati prwhn en pash periptwsei, Grammateas Politikoy Sxediasmoy ths Neas Dhmokratias, kalese se synenteyjh toy xqes ton k. Roysopoylo na paradwsei thn edra toy. O k. Karaxalios, eseis ti antilambaneste, milaei ws poliths, ws prwhn, einai titlos to ``prwhn'', ektos apo ton k. Mhtsotakh, fantazomai. Anagnwrizete, dhladh, ton titlo toy k. Karaxalioy, o opoios zhta na paradwsei o k. Roysopoylos thn edra toy;

ANTWNAROS: Den kanw kanena sxolio.

Sas eyxaristw.

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