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Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Paraskeyh, 19 Dekembrioy 2008

Ariqmos Deltioy: 176074441

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O KYBERNHTIKOS EKPROSWPOS

Aqhna, 19 Dekembrioy 2008

EYAGGELO ANTWNARO

Xairete.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

FANIDHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, neos kyklos epeisodiwn kai taraxwn me fqores jenwn perioysiwn fainetai pws arxise apo xqes. Qelw na rwthsw loipon, an eiste diateqeimenoi na labete pio sklhra metra, wste na epanelqei h ennomh tajh sth xwra mas.

ANTWNAROS: Ayta einai epixeirhsiaka qemata, ta opoia xeirizetai h Ellhnikh Astynomia.

BLABIANOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, xqes se dhlwsh sas, oysiastika kathgorhsate eyqews ton Proedro toy PASOK oti katasykofantei th xwra me synenteyjeis tis opoies dinei. Qelete na mas peite, ti akribws ennoeite;

ANTWNAROS: O Proedros toy PASOK, k. Papandreoy, nomizei pws brhke thn ``katallhlh eykairia'' - -kai bazw tis lejeis se eisagwgika, bebaiws, gia na mhn parejhghqw- - gia na katasykofanthsei th xwra toy, thn idia toy th xwra, gia kaqara mikrokommatikoys logoys. Kai to ekane ayto - -ayto eipa kai sth xqesinh moy dhlwsh, metajy twn allwn, ekana malista dyo dhlwseis- -katafeygontas se diafores synenteyjeis tis opoies edwse, toso se apiqanes anakribeies, eite parapoiwntas thn katastash, paroysiazontas thn me ta melanotera xrwmata, eite parapoiwntas thn alhqeia. Kai sas lew kati poly aplo. Fer` eipein: Anaferqhke se forologika qemata kai kapoy leei se mia synenteyjh, eyxaristws na sas dwsw, an qelete, tis synenteyjeis - -yparxoyn allwste kai ston istotopo toy PASOK- - oti h shmerinh kybernhsh ayjhse toys foroys. Jexnaei profanws oti oi dikes toy oi kybernhseis, oi kybernhseis stis opoies htan koryfaio stelexos, oi kybernhseis toy PASOK, epebalan 80 kainoyrgioys foroys. Antiqeta, h shmerinh kybernhsh exei meiwsei shmantika kai ejakoloyqei na meiwnei shmantika ton kentriko foro eisodhmatos poy afora sta mesaia eisodhmata. Jexnaei epishs oti h shmerinh kybernhsh einai ekeinh h opoia ayjhse to aforologhto kata 20%. To lew ayto san paradeigma. Ena paradeigma to opoio apodeiknyei me poio tropo o k. Papandreoy prospaqei na dhmioyrghsei entypwseis pros ta ejw - -kai gi` ayto milaw gia katasykofanthsh ths xwras, jerw ti lew kai to lew me plhrh epignwsh twn lejewn kai twn logwn poy xrhsimopoiw- - aposiwpwntas tis dikes toy eyqynes. Jexnaei o k. Papandreoy oti epi twn kybernhsewn toy PASOK htan dyo fores Ypoyrgos Paideias, otan anaferetai se qemata Paideias; Kai to kanei akomh apofeygontas na katadikasei amesa, jekaqara kai xwris misologa toys ekfrastes ths bias.

Anaferei se mia synenteyjh poy dhmosiopoihqhke xqes oti exei stoxo to sebasmo twn periqwriopoihmenwn. Qa hqela na mas ejhghsei ti ennoei o k. Papandreoy. Jerei kati poy den mas to leei; Kai giati den kanei mia safh diakrish anamesa stoys maqhtes, stoys neoys poy exoyn to dikaiwma na diadhlwsoyn eirhnika kai to kanoyn kai se ekeina ta stoixeia poy eixan xqes to apyqmeno qrasos na kacoyn, na pyrpolhsoyn to eqniko symbolo, thn ellhnikh shmaia; Synexizw omws: Den einai mono ayta ta stoixeia poy sas eipa. Oi synenteyjeis poy dhmosieyontai, ennow ta prwtotypa keimena, sta jena entypa kai oi apomagnhtofwnhseis twn synenteyjewn poy edwse eite se thleoraseis allwn xwrwn, eite se radiofwna, exoyn safeis apokliseis, megales diafores se orismenes periptwseis, apo ta keimena twn synenteyjewn poy anartwntai ston istotopo toy PASOK. Paradeigma, h synenteyjh poy edwse o k. Papandreoy stis 15 Dekembrioy, sth germanikh efhmerida, megalhs kykloforias kai megaloy kyroys, FRANKFURTER ALLGEMEINE ZEITUNG. Eji erwthseis poy perilambanontai sto keimeno poy anarthqhke sto site toy PASOK, erwthseis kai apanthseis ennow bebaiws, erwto-apokriseis, den perilambanontai sto dhmosieymeno keimeno. Synenteyjh einai ayth poy dhmosieyetai, oxi ayth poy qelei na dwsei kapoios kapoy h kati poy exei syzhthsei me to dhmosiografo. Synenteyjh einai to telikws dhmosieymeno keimeno. Prokeitai gia erwthseis kai apanthseis tmhmatos synenteyjhs poy profanws xrhsimeyoyn ston k. Papandreoy sto eswteriko koino, sto ellhniko koino.

Exei kai alla ayth h synenteyjh. Sto keimeno sto site toy PASOK feretai na exei pei o k. Papandreoy ``dystyxws xaqhke o elegxos twn pragmatwn''. Frash me thn opoia, profanws, o k. Papandreoy prospaqei na dhmioyrghsei entypwseis sto eswteriko, sto ellhniko koino. Ayth h frash den yparxei sto germaniko prwtotypo keimeno. Etsi, o arxhgos toy PASOK ``piasthke sta prasa'', kata pws leei o laos mas. Giati, profanws, toy diafeygei h den qelei na katalabei oti ektos apo ton idio poy bebaiws einai glwssomaqhs, kai polloi alloi Ellhnes milane kala jenes glwsses gia na diabazoyn tis teratwdeis anakribeies kai thn katasykofanthsh ths idias toy ths xwras poy kanei o k. Papandreoy, sto prwtotypo. Kai na katalabainoyn kati poly, ma poly aplo: Oti ton k. Papandreoy kai thn hgetikh toy omada sto PASOK den toys endiaferei kaqoloy h xwra. Den toys endiaferei h staqerothta. Den toys endiaferei h eswterikh hremia. Tyflwmenoi apo th boylimia gia thn ejoysia - -kai to epanalambanw, boylimia gia thn ejoysia- - noiazontai mono gia to pws qa epanakthsoyn ayth thn ejoysia, me kaqe qysia, estw kai se baros ths xwras. Mia ejoysia poy toso banaysa kakodiaxeiristhkan gia 20 oloklhra xronia.

BASILAKOPOYLOS: Ola ayta poy eipate, moy gennhsan arketes apories kai na me sygxwrhsete. Kat` arxas, den exw kamia diaqesh na yperaspistw ton k. Papandreoy kai ta osa leei. Ayto einai safes. Alla, apo ayta poy lete prokyptoyn tria erwthmata.

ANTWNAROS: Na ta paroyme ena-ena.

BASILAKOPOYLOS: Prwton, toy katalogizete eyqews kapoia sxesh, ypoqalch h telos pantwn oti ton boleyei ayto, to entos eisagwgikwn h ektos eisagwgikwn, kaqestws twn koykoyloforwn kai twn diarkws drwntwn tarajiwn sthn prwteyoysa kai tis alles poleis;

ANTWNAROS: Egw perimenw apo oloys jekaqara, opws eipe kai o Prwqypoyrgos, xwris misologa, xwris ``nai men, alla'', na katadikasei th drash olwn oswn katafeygoyn se bandalismoys, bia, katastrofes perioysiwn, dhmosiwn kai idiwtikwn perioysiwn. Teleia kai payla. Tipote allo.

BASILAKOPOYLOS: Ara, den sas kalyce kai h dhlwsh poy ekane o k. Papandreoy ejw apo to Majimoy sth synanthsh toy me ton Prwqypoyrgo prin apo liges hmeres, poy katadikase thn tyflh bia apo opoy proerxetai. Den sas kalyce ayto, etsi;

ANTWNAROS: Qa sas apanthsw eyqytata: Perimenw apo to komma toy k. Papandreoy kai ton idio ton k. Papandreoy na katadikasei, na apokhryjei kaqeta th xqesinh dhlwsh ths Organwshs Neolaias toy, thn opoia o idios o k. Papandreoy kai h hgetikh toy omada thn epanidrysan pro oligoy kairoy kai synepws...

BASILAKOPOYLOS: Twra, eiste safestatos.

ANTWNAROS: ... kai synepws perimenw na thn katadikasoyn. Oxi diglwssia. Jekaqara pragmata.

BASILAKOPOYLOS: Yparxei, omws, kai ena trito erwthma, qa moy epitrecete gia na sas apodesmeysw kai einai to ejhs: Eseis eipate oti h dhlwsh oti ``xaqhke to metro'' yparxei ston istotopo toy PASOK...

ANTWNAROS: Oxi. Den eipa oti ``xaqhke to metro''.

BASILAKOPOYLOS: ... kai den yparxei sto dhmosieyqen keimeno.

ANTWNAROS: Bebaiws.

BASILAKOPOYLOS: Oti yparxei sthn istoselida toy PASOK kai den yparxei sto dhmosieyqen keimeno. Efoson, loipon, den yparxei sto dhmosieyqen keimeno, me sygxwreite poly alla den moy prokyptei katasykofanthsh ths xwras sth Germania...

ANTWNAROS: Milhse kai gia polla alla pragmata.

BASILAKOPOYLOS: (den akoygetai) sthn istoselida toy PASOK.

ANTWNAROS: Egw eipa tria pragmata. Eipa prwton, oti yparxoyn synenteyjeis stoxeymenes, me polles anakribeies. Sas anefera ta forologika. Na sas anaferw kai qemata Paideias, ta opoia anaferei o k. Papandreoy.

BASILAKOPOYLOS: Antipoliteysh kanei, omws.

ANTWNAROS: Nai, alla den epaye na einai Ypoyrgos Paideias. Dioti, o k. Papandreoy mila gia olo to kaqestws ths Paideias ws ean na gennhqhke apo parqenogenesh politika. To kaqestws ths Paideias, epi ths shmerinhs kybernhshs, beltiwqhke. Dioti, o k. Papandreoy - -qa sas to ypenqymisw gia osoys to jexnoyn- - parakalwntas thn kybernhsh, propersi ta Xristoygenna, tetoia epoxh peripoy, eixe zhthsei dyo fores anabolh ths syzhthshs gia to Syntagma, gia qemata Paideias, prokeimenoy na organwsei thn Koinoboyleytikh toy Omada gia sthrijh twn mh dhmosiwn Panepisthmiwn. To qymaste. Eimai bebaios. Kai ekane dyo-treis fores pera-dwqe. Loipon, as mhn ta jexname ta pragmata. Ayta den eginan sto apwtero parelqon. Anaferomai se stash toy k. Papandreoy kai kata thn epoxh poy htan sthn antipoliteysh, an ypoteqei oti prepei na afhsoyme ektos kritikhs h ektos sxoliasmoy th stash kai thn politikh toy k. Papandreoy otan htan Ypoyrgos Paideias, poy egw den nomizw oti prepei na to kanoyme.

BASILAKOPOYLOS: Ayto htan to '87.

ANTWNAROS: Kanete laqos. Htan Ypoyrgos Paideias kai argotera.

BASILAKOPOYLOS: Qelw na pw oti exoyn perasei para polla xronia. Ta teleytaia xronia o k. Papandreoy...

ANTWNAROS: Den qymamai kamia metarryqmish poy na ekane o k. Papandreoy otan htan Ypoyrgos Paideias, dyo fores.

BASILAKOPOYLOS: Htan Ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn. Alla, telos pantwn, ayto einai...

ANTWNAROS: Alla, ayto einai epoysiwdes.

BASILAKOPOYLOS: ... h dhlwsh sas, mporei na ermhneyqei oti apodidete ston Proedro toy PASOK kapoia sygkekrimenh politikh h allh skopimothta, h opoia boleyetai apo thn istoria ayth twn koykoyloforwn kai twn ypoloipwn taraxwn;

ANTWNAROS: Sas apanthsa.

BASILAKOPOYLOS: Entajei.

ANTWNAROS: Perimenoyme to organwmeno PASOK na katadikasei, na parei apostaseis apo th xqesinh kataptysth dhlwsh ths Neolaias toy, h opoia - -epanalambanw- - den einai mia opoiadhpote Neolaia. Einai Neolaia thn opoia eixan dialysei o k. Papandreoy kai h dikh toy hgetikh omada gia na thn janaorganwsoyn. Diabaste thn, ti leei h anakoinwsh.

KAKALHS: Mporeite na mas ejhghsete giati h hgesia ths EL.AS. espeyse na paroysiasei ws tyxaio kai ashmanto peristatiko thn apopeira dolofonias kata toy 16xronoy maqhth sto Peristeri; H kybernhsh katalogizei kapoia eyqynh se aytoys toys xeirismoys h egine me th dikh ths anoxh kai kalych;

ANTWNAROS: H kybernhsh topoqethqhke. Gia ta qemata ths Astynomias, na apeyqynqeite sthn Astynomia.

KAKALHS: Me sygxwreite, den exete thn aporia ...

ANTWNAROS: Egw ekfrazw thn kybernhsh kai gi` ayth topoqethqhka.

KAKALHS: Ara, kalyptete toys xeirismoys poy ekane h EL.AS.;

ANTWNAROS: Topoqethqhka gia thn kybernhsh.

FANIDHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, eipate oti o k. Papandreoy kai oi synergates toy den noiazontai...

ANTWNAROS: Den eipa ``oi synergates toy''. Eipa ``h hgetikh omada toy PASOK''. Den einai to idio.

FANIDHS: Wraia, akoma kalytera. Den noiazontai, eipate, gia th xwra, exoyn boylimia gia thn ejoysia. toys qewreite epikindynoys kai propantos anikanoys na kybernhsoyn th xwra;

ANTWNAROS: Menw se ayta ta opoia eipa kai den prosqetw oyte afairw kati.

KAKALHS: Na epanelqw, giati den me kalyce h prohgoymenh apanthsh sas. Eipate den exei dhmioyrghsei problhmatismo sthn kybernhsh to gegonos...

ANTWNAROS: Den eipa egw kati tetoio.

KAKALHS: Me sygxwreite, allo lew egw, den eipa oti to eipate. Thn erwthsh kanw. H prwth epishmh topoqethsh toy Ekproswpoy ths EL.AS. ekane logo gia trayma apo aerobolo oplo. Kai malista epikalesthke makroskopikh ereyna. Ayth h topoqethsh, poy anatraphke sth synexeia, ayto den exei prokalesei kanena problhmatismo sthn kybernhsh; Den zhthsate kapoies ejhghseis;

ANTWNAROS: H kybernhsh topoqethqhke dhmosia.

KAKALHS: Kalyptete plhrws toys xeirismoys ths EL. AS.

ANTWNAROS: Sas apanthsa. Den exw na pw kati allo.

KAKALHS: Epishs, mia allh erwthsh gia allo qema. Eipate arxika, apantwntas sthn erwthsh an qa lhfqoyn pio sklhra metra gia thn antimetwpish twn diadhlwtwn klp, parapemcate pali oti einai epixeirhsiako qema ths ELAS. Me sygxwreite, o Prwqypoyrgos dhlwse tis proalles sthn Koinoboyleytikh Omada oti prokeitai gia politikh apofash kai malista oti o idios aporriptei akraies meqodoys katastolhs. Apo poy kai ws poy eseis parapempete sthn EL.AS.; Einai politiko qema h einai ypoqesh ths EL.AS.;

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na diafwnhsw se tipote me ton Prwqypoyrgo.

KAKALHS: Allo eipate omws, eipate oti o xeirismos twn diadhlwtwn einai ypoqesh ths EL.AS.

ANTWNAROS: O Prwqypoyrgos eipe oti aporriptei akraies meqodoys katastolhs. Tis aporriptw kai egw, loipon, ek meroys ths kybernhshs.

BLABIANOS: An moy epitrepete, qa epimeinw ligo sthn erwthsh toy k. Kakalh. Pragmati krinw oti einai politikh apofash to ean qa energhsei kai se poio baqmo h ELAS otan kaigetai h Aqhna.

ANTWNAROS: En pash periptwsei, se epixeirhsiaka qemata den exw anaferqei pote kai den qa to kanw oyte shmera.

Sas eyxaristw poly.

Kalo Sabbatokyriako.

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