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Trith, 9 Dekembrioy 2008

Ariqmos Deltioy: 174286002

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KYBERNHTIKOS EKPROSWPOS

Aqhna, 9 Dekembrioy 2008

EYAGGELO ANTWNARO

Xairete.

Opws gnwrizete, o Prwqypoyrgos k. Kwstas Karamanlhs exei analabei, apo xqes to brady, mia seira prwtoboyliwn. Prwta ap` ola, synanthqhke shmera to prwi me ton Proedro ths Dhmokratias k. Karolo Papoylia. Gnwrizete th dhlwsh thn opoia ekane o Prwqypoyrgos, meta th synanthsh toy me ton Proedro. Kai meta apo synennohseis poy eginan xqes, einai se ejelijh, ayth th stigmh mia seira synanthsewn me toys arxhgoys twn kommatwn, poy ekproswpoyntai sth Boylh twn Ellhnwn. Oi syzhthseis aytes briskontai se ejelijh kai qa oloklhrwqoyn argotera shmera, me th synanthsh poy qa exei o Prwqypoyrgos me ton Proedro ths Boylhs, ton k. Dhmhtrh Sioyfa. Otan qa exw kati synoliko gia tis synanthseis aytes, qa enhmerwqeite.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

TERZHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe xqes se erwthsh synadelfoy peri toy ti qa prajei h Astynomia poy den epraje ta prohgoymena 24wra apanthsate ``perimenete kai qa deite''. Symfwna me to Pyrosbestiko Swma, meta th xqesinh enhmerwsh, yphrje seira emprhsmwn, leei, 14 trapezes, 45dhmosia aytokinhta, 20 idiwtikhs xrhshs, 49 ktiria, 124 katasthmata. Kai janarwtw: Eiste ikanopoihmenoi apo th diaxeirish ths katastashs apo thn Ellhnikh Astynomia;

ANTWNAROS: Opws gnwrizete, h morfh ayth ths bias, twn biaiwn prajewn, stis opoies katafeygoyn atoma kai tis diaprattoyn me katastrofikh mania, katadikazetai. Kai qa prepei na katadikazetai apo oloys toys swfrones Ellhnes polites. H prwtoboylia thn opoia anelabe o Prwqypoyrgos exei, metajy allwn, stoxo kai ayto: Na dhmioyrghsei ekeinh thn koinh stash, h opoia einai aparaithth, prokeimenoy na apomonwqoyn politika, apolyta kai xwris kamia ejairesh, aytoi oi opoioi me kapoio alloqi, h me kapoia profash katafeygoyn se ayth th bia. Kai to lew ayto, dioti den yparxei kamia apolytws amfibolia oti einai poly qliberh h apwleia ths zwhs toy nearoy maqhth. To epanalambanw gia mia akomh fora me jekaqaro tropo. Ayto, omws, h ekfrash dhladh ths odynhs, ths lyphs, ths symmetoxhs sto penqos, den mporei na einai alloqi gia askhsh bias. To lew ayto, opws antilambaneste, th stigmh poy pragmatopoieitai o apoxairetismos. Epanalambanw: Den mporei, omws, ayto na einai alloqi gia na katafeygoyn kapoioi se prajeis bias.

BLABIANOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, ean moy epitrepete, yparxei omws ena dedomeno. Diabazw th xqesinh dhlwsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy. ``Osa aparadekta eginan me aformh th fortish apo to tragiko symban'', h dhlwsh egine 13.00-13.30, ``den mporei kai den prokeitai na ginoyn apodekta''. Loipon, xqes to brady, oloi giname martyres enos foberoy gegonotos sthn Aqhna kai oxi mono. Loipon, h dhlwsh pragmati egine. Ti ekane h Astynomia xqes to brady;

ANTWNAROS: Den qa mpw, opws den to ekana kai xqes, sthn epixeirhsiakh leitoyrgia ths Ellhnikhs Astynomias. Gnwrizete oti h Ellhnikh Astynomia - -kai den einai kati kainoyrgio ayto poy sas lew- - exei pagia apostolh: Na frontizei thn apofygh prajewn bias. Alla den qa sas krycw apo thn allh meria, to eipan allwste kai oi Ypoyrgoi oi opoioi metesxon xqes sthn ektakth synedriash ths Kybernhtikhs Epitrophs, poy opws gnwrizete, synedriase ek neoy shmera to meshmeri: Edw eixame mia megalh se ektash, megalh se ogko, megalh ariqmhtika katafygh orismenwn se prajeis bias. Kai ayto prepei kaneis na to dei sto synolo toy. Den lew, se kamia periptwsh, oti ayta ta opoia eginan einai dikaiologhmena. Oi katastrofes proswpikhs perioysias sympolitwn mas, oi katastrofes se dhmosia ktiria, opoy kai an eginan, einai apolyta katadikastees. Alla ekeino poy exei shmasia - -kai epimenw gia mia akomh fora- - einai: Oloi - -kai ayth einai h ekklhsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy kai olwn twn swfronwn politwn ayths ths xwras- -kai kyriws aytoi oi opoioi exoyn mia qesh eyqynhs ston topo, prepei na katadikasoyn kai prepei na katadikazoyn diarkws - -h katadikh prepei na exei diarkh xarakthra- - tis prajeis ekeinwn twn anqrwpwn, twn ariqmhtika ligwn, poy prepei na einai politika apomonwmenoi, apolyta apomonwmenoi gi` ayth toys th symperifora. Prepei na apokatastaqei, kai qelw kai egw na ekfrasw thn eyxh, thn elpida, th bebaiothta oti oloi mazi - -kai otan lew ``oloi mazi'' ennow oloi mazi- - qa apokatasthsoyme thn tajh, thn hremia, to aisqhma asfaleias stoys Ellhnes polites.

GKATSIOS: Epeidh yparxoyn kapoia senaria tis teleytaies wres poy aforoyn sth lhch ektaktwn metrwn, isxyei ayth h plhroforia;

ANTWNAROS: Ayth h plhroforia einai entelws anypostath. Den exei kamia apolytws bash. Gnwrizete oti xqes, ligo meta thn enarjh ths ektakths synedriashs ths Kybernhtikhs Epitrophs, ekana mia grapth dhlwsh, akribws dioti kykloforoysan kai edw kai pera apo ta synora ths xwras diafores tetoies fhmes, xwris kamia bash, entelws anypostates. Kai eipa safws oti h kybernhsh oyte syzhthse, oyte mia koybenta den egine kai oyte skefqhke na energopoihsei ta sxetika arqra toy Syntagmatos poy milane gia tetoies ektaktes peristaseis. Sas to lew kathgorhmatika.

FANIDHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, ti apantate se ekeinoys poy yposthrizoyn oti h Astynomia, ypo tis entoles ths kybernhshs, afhnei toys koykoyloforoys na prokaloyn katastrofes, wste na ekmetalleytei politika to fobo twn aplwn politwn, kyriws ekeinwn poy anhkoyn sta mikromesaia strwmata.

ANTWNAROS: Den apantw se kakohqeies xwris kamia bash.

TERZHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, omologw oti den moy apanthsate sthn erwthsh moy, h opoia aforoyse sto baqmo ikanopoihshs ths kybernhshs apo th diaxeirish ths katastashs apo thn Ellhnikh Astynomia. Eipate sth synexeia oti htan mia megalh se ektash, ogko kai ariqmhtika katafygh kapoiwn se prajeis bias, oi opoioi omws eipate oti einai politika oligoi. Telika ti symbainei;

ANTWNAROS: Oxi, den eipa ayto. Eipa oti mprosta sth megalh pleiochfia twn Ellhnwn politwn, twn nomotagwn, filhsyxwn, dhmokratika skeptomenwn Ellhnwn politwn, einai ligoi.

TERZHS: Wraia, symfwnw.

ANTWNAROS: Alla, oi prajeis stis opoies katefygan aytoi xqes , ekeines tis wres tis apogeymatines kai bradines, einai polles. H Astynomia, h Pyrosbestikh, oi alles Arxes poy einai epifortismenes me thn antimetwpish toys, katefygan me oles tis dynameis poy eixan, prokeimenoy na antimetwpisoyn to megalo ogko. Htan idiaitera megalos o ogkos. Ayto qelw na pw. Den dikaiologei, bebaiws, o megalos ogkos tis katastrofes poy eginan. Einai apolytws katadikastees. Einai prajeis bias, einai prajeis katastrofhs perioysias.

TERZHS: Wraia. Dikaiologei endexomenws thn adynamia ths Astynomias na tis antimetwpisei; Giati an diatypwsate thn eyxh, thn elpida kai th bebaiothta oti qa apokatastaqei to aisqhma asfaleias stoys Ellhnes polites, opws shmeiwsa edw, h kybernhsh kati prepei na kanei. Ti qa kanei;

ANTWNAROS: Oi Arxes qa kanoyn to kaqhkon toys. Qa frontisoyme na kanoyme o,ti einai aparaithto. Qa frontisoyme wste ta diatetagmena organa ths Politeias na kanoyn o,ti einai aparaithto, prokeimenoy na mhn epanalhfqei ayto to fainomeno. Alla prepei oloi na katadikazoyme tis biaies prajeis. Tipote den dikaiologei th bia. Apolytws tipota. To eipa kathgorhmatika xqes, to epanalambanw kai shmera. H bia apo opoydhpote kai an proerxetai, me opoiadhpote morfh, katw apo opoiadhpote profash, einai apolytws katadikastea. Qelw na pw kai kati, to opoio eipe shmera, ejerxomenos toy Megaroy Majimoy, o Ypoyrgos k. Soyflias, giati pisteyw oti einai mia frash shmantikh: ``Kaloyntai oloi, hgesies, neoi anqrwpoi, koinwnikes dynameis'', prosqetw egw mazikes organwseis ``na syndramoyn sthn oysiastikh, apotelesmatikh antimetwpish twn fainomenwn ths bias. Prepei oloi th fwnh mas na thn kanoyme toso hxhrh, wste na akoystei. Kai otan lew ``th fwnh mas'', ennow kai to mhnyma. Mhn ypotimoyme th shmasia toy mhnymatos.

FANIDHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, h Aleka Paparhga to eipe eyqews: ``O Synaspismos xaideyei ta aftia twn koykoyloforwn''. Eseis symfwneite me thn k. Paparhga;

ANTWNAROS: Qa epanalabw kati poy eipa prohgoymenws, apantwntas se kati poy me rwthsate: H ekklhsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy kai olwn twn swfronwn politwn ayths ths xwras einai na katadikastoyn jekaqara, xwris kanena paraqyraki, xwris ``nai, men, alla'', oi prajeis twn anqrwpwn ekeinwn, twn atomwn ekeinwn poy prepei na einai politika apomonwmenoi.

BLABIANOS: Gia thn kybernhsh ayto poy onomazoyme ``gnwstoi-agnwstoi'', telika einai gnwstoi h agnwstoi;

ANTWNAROS: Ayta einai epixeirhsiaka qemata ths Astynomias. Aforoyn tis diwktikes Arxes. Opws gnwrizete, exoyn ginei prosagwges arketwn ypoptwn atomwn. Ola ayta ta pragmata ereynwntai.

PASISHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, stis xqesines lehlasies poy eginan to brady meteixan mono koykoyloforoi h kai alles omades, opws gia paradeigma metanastes; Hqela na rwthsw, mias kai eipate prohgoymenws oti eginan syllhceis, mporeite na mas peite ton ariqmo twn syllhcewn poy eginan;

ANTWNAROS: Sas eipa ``prosagwges''. Opws gnwrizete, yparxei mia diadikasia otan kinoyntai oi diwjeis enantion ypoptwn gia paranomes prajeis atomwn. Den qa hqela, omws, na sas pw akribeis ariqmoys, dioti aytoi einai gnwstoi apo ta stoixeia ta opoia dhmosieyei h Genikh Astynomikh Dieyqynsh Aqhnwn, alla kai oi astynomikes Dieyqynseis twn allwn polewn opoy parathrhqhkan tetoia fainomena. Egw den diaxwrizw, se kamia periptwsh, toys anqrwpoys, ta atoma ekeina poy diaprattoyn paranomes prajeis, poy katafeygoyn se bia. Opoios einai enoxos, einai enoxos epeidh kanei kati to opoio einai enantia sto nomo. Den exei shmasia kanena allo xarakthristiko toy.

RABANOS: Qa epanelqw sthn erwthsh toy k. Blabianoy kai sth frash toy Prwqypoyrgoy. Meta th dhlwsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy, o Ypoyrgos Eswterikwn, meta th lhjh ths ektakths Kybernhtikhs Epitrophs xqes to brady, eipe oti to kratos einai edw. Oi polites, omws, den to eidan. Kai shmera, antipoliteyomenoi kai sympoliteyomenoi yposthrizoyn oti to kratos den eggyhqhke tis ajies zwhs, ths timhs kai ths eleyqerias, thn perioysia twn politwn. Katalyqhke kaqe ennoia ennomhs tajhs. O Proedros toy PASOK...

ANTWNAROS: Ayth einai dikh sas diatypwsh.

RABANOS: Oxi, den einai dikh moy frash k. Ekproswpe. Jerw poly kala ti lew. Epikaloymai dhlwsh prwinh, sto kratiko radiofwno, kybernhtikoy boyleyth. Mporw na sas pw kai to onoma, an qelete, an epimenete. O Proedros toy PASOK zhthse ekloges meta th synanthsh me ton Prwqypoyrgo. Yparxei keno ejoysias; Einai akybernhth Politeia h Ellada;

ANTWNAROS: H kybernhsh askei ta kaqhkonta ths sto akeraio. H eklegmenh kybernhsh ths xwras einai ekeinh h opoia exei kaqhkon na ejasfalisei thn omalh leitoyrgia ths xwras. Kai opoioi biazontai na ejasfalisoyn mikrokommatika ofelh me topoqethseis, oi opoies den exoyn kamia sxesh me th stigmh ayth, profanws den antimetwpizoyn sobara to kaqhkon to opoio exoyn mesa sth syntetagmenh Politeia.

FANIDHS: Se synexeia, isws, k. Ekproswpe toy synadelfoy, o k. Cwmiadhs htan ekeinos poy eipe oti h katastrofh etrexe pio grhgora apo ton kratiko mhxanismo. An qelete na to sxoliasete, giati o k. Cwmiadhs ektos apo Nomarxhs einai kai stelexos ths Neas Dhmokratias.

ANTWNAROS: Kanena sxolio.

TERZHS: Mia politikh erwthsh, afoy ola ta ypoloipa ginontai sto plaisio twn kaqhkontwn ths kybernhshs, einai h ejhs: H kybernhsh exei ektimhsh gia toys anqrwpoys poy briskontai stoys dromoys, exoyn kai politikes anafores, politika elathria - -me thn kalh ennoia to elathrio- - h prokeitai peri xoyligkanismoy;

ANTWNAROS: Ekeino to opoio diakrinw, ekeino to opoio katagrafw, ekeino to opoio blepw einai oti katafeygoyn sth bia kai thn katastrofh. En pash periptwsei den mporei na einai ideologia.

GKATSIOS: Den jerw posoi krybontai pisw apo ta 200 katasthmata, posoi ergazomenoi, posoi idiokthtes. Ektos apo tis apozhmiwseis, h kybernhsh exei na pei kati se aytoys toys anqrwpoys;

ANTWNAROS: Opws eipame, qa frontisoyme na apozhmiwqoyn ekeinoi oi Ellhnes polites, twn opoiwn oi perioysies ypesthsan katastrofh, ypesthsan zhmia. Opws sas eipa kai xqes - -to eipe kai o Prwqypoyrgos- - exoyn ginei antikeimeno epejergasias sygkekrimenes protaseis, poy otan oloklhrwqoyn qa sas koinopoihqoyn.

ZORMPA: Exw shmeiwsei oti dhlwsate pws oloi oi polites kai kyriws aytoi poy exoyn qesh eyqynhs prepei na katadikazoyn - -kai na katadikazoyn diarkws- - giati den arkei shmera na ekfrazoyn thn katadikh toys, tis prajeis bias. Diagignwskw mia aixmh, an qelete na thn epibebaiwsete kai pros poia kateyqynsh.

ANTWNAROS: Pros kamia kateyqynsh. Den yparxei kamia apolytws aixmh. Ekeino to opoio lew einai aytonohto: Perimenoyme oloi, fantazomai kai eseis edw se ayth thn aiqoysa, oti oloi oi polites poy einai swfrones, poy exoyn dhmokratiko fronhma - -kai einai h megalh pleiochfia twn Ellhnwn politwn- - qa katadikazoyn synexws kai ayrio kai meqayrio tetoia fainomena. Dhladh ennow oti opote - -sas to exw pei kai sto parelqon- - eginan prajeis bias, perimenei kapoios na katadikazoyn jekaqara, aperifrasta tis prajeis bias, stis opoies kapoioi katafeygoyn. Kai oi opoioi sthn oysia aytoapomonwnontai politika, alla toys apomonwnei kai to synolo ths koinwnias.

TERZHS: Oi eyqynes ths kybernhshs, apo to Sabbato to brady mexri shmera, exete katalhjei an yparxoyn kai poies einai;

ANTWNAROS: Topoqethqhka xqes, den exw na pw kati allo.

TERZHS: An moy epitrepete, epeidh prin apo merikoys mhnes, peripoy prin apo 14  15 mhnes yphrxan terasties se ektash pyrkagies, otan kai pali enas kratikos mhxanismos eixe gonatisei. Twra eipate oti yphrxe mia megalh se ektash, ogko kai ariqmhtika katafygh se prajeis bias. H kybernhsh brisketai panta antimetwph me dysanaloga megeqh ta opoia den mporei na antimetwpisei h exei eyqynes gia to oti oi mhxanismoi poy exei einai dysanaloga mikroi gia tis proklhseis;

ANTWNAROS: Gia ta persina exw topoqethqei. Den qa janatopoqethqw. Den qa sas analysw ta persina fysika fainomena. Einai jekaqara ayta poy synebhsan. Kai nomizw allwste, ep` aytoy, exei kriqei, meta apo persina fysika fainomena, h kybernhsh. Exei kriqei apo ton kyriarxo ellhniko lao. Kai den fantazomai oti brisketai kapoios poy na amfisbhtei ekeinh thn krish. Gia ta shmerina, topoqethqhka epishs.

RABANOS: Anefere o k. Terzhs gia tis eyqynes ths kybernhshs kai eipate oti apanthsate xqes. H xqesinh sas topoqethsh, omws, egine prin apo ta xqesinobradina epeisodia. Den prepei h kybernhsh na mas apanthsei an yparxoyn politikes eyqynes h an yparxoyn eyqynes, an exei h Astynomia estw eyqynes, an h kybernhsh den anagnwrizei eyqynes h idia;

ANTWNAROS: Milhsa xqes kai isxyei h xqesinh moy apanthsh. Den exw na prosqesw kati allo.

PASISHS: Mporeite na mas peite giati o Prwqypoyrgos eide shmera toys politikoys arxhgoys tet-a-tet kai den egine Symboylio Politikwn Arxhgwn ypo ton k. Papoylia kaqoti, apo o,ti exw antilhfqei, epidiwkete th synainesh twn allwn politikwn dynamewn;

ANTWNAROS: Dioti ekriqh oti ayth h diadikasia einai pio prosforh kai pio apotelesmatikh.

RABANOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, h Astynomia akoloyqhse mia amyntikh stash kai edwse kata kapoio tropo xwro stoys ``gnwstoys  agnwstoys'' na kanoyn thn Aqhna ghs madiam. Allaje h prokeitai na allajei stash h Astynomia tis epomenes wres;

ANTWNAROS: Ayto einai epixeirhsiako qema ths Astynomias. Parakalw na apeyqynqeite sto Ypoyrgeio Eswterikwn.

BLABIANOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, shmera apogeymatinh efhmerida filojenei mia seira fwtografiwn, 3  4 an den kanw laqos, poy deixnoyn andra twn Eidikwn Dynamewn ths Astynomias me protetameno to oplo toy se kapoia sygkentrwsh ths Kyriakhs. Qa qelate na to sxoliasete;

ANTWNAROS: Den gnwrizw to pragmatiko peristatiko. Eyxaristws ep` aytoy na rwthsw kai na sas pw. Alla eimai bebaios, oti an apeyqynqeite ston k. Paylopoylo, qa sas dwsei thn apanthsh. Den mporw na jerw poy egine to peristatiko kai ti apeikonizei to peristatiko.

GKATSIOS: An qymamai kala, sth sygxarhthria epistolh poy eixe steilei o Prwqypoyrgos Kwstas Karamanlhs ston k. Papandreoy, otan epanejelegei sthn hgesia toy PASOK, eixe zhthsei na synergastoyn sthn antimetwpish olwn twn megalwn problhmatwn ths xwras. Meta kai th shmerinh episkech toy k. Papandreoy sto Majimoy aisqaneste oti o k. Papandreoy einai dipla sthn kybernhsh;

ANTWNAROS: H kybernhsh den qa stamathsei na zhtaei apo oles tis politikes dynameis na syndramoyn se ekeines tis prwtoboylies, oi opoies einai pros ofelos ths xwras. Sas ypenqymizw oti poly prosfata se mia koinoboyleytikh syzhthsh, h opoia egine, o k. Papandreoy anaferqhke sto qema twn noshleytwn. Ekane mia protash sthn kybernhsh gia taxeia epilysh toy qematos ths proslhchs twn noshleytwn poy leipoyn sta dhmosia nosokomeia. Apanthse amesws o Prwqypoyrgos. Ligo meta, o Ypoyrgos Ygeias k. Abramopoylos se mia eperwthsh - -moy fainetai akoloyqhse thn idia mera- - ekane kai sygkekrimenh protash, eipe oti qa eisagei th sxetikh nomoqetikh ryqmish. Kai to idio brady o epishmos ekproswpos toy PASOK prospaqoyse na anaskeyasei ayta ta opoia eixe pei o k. Papandreoy kai ta opoia htan apolytws safh. Emeis perimenoyme stis prwtoboylies poy pairnei h kybernhsh kai opws symbainei se mia koinwnia, se mia Politeia eynomoymenh, synhqws tis prwtoboylies tis pairnei h kybernhsh, xwris na einai apokleistiko ths pronomio, alla synhqws tis pairnei h kybernhsh na antapokrinontai oi politikes dynameis.

Sas eyxaristw.

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