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Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Pempth, 4 Dekembrioy 2008

Ariqmos Deltioy: 173385081

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KYBERNHTIKOS EKPROSWPOS

Aqhna, 4 Dekembrioy 2008

EYAGGELO ANTWNARO

Xairete.

Na sas pw eisagwgika oti ayrio, Paraskeyh, den qa pragmatopoihqei h kaqierwmenh enhmerwsh, logw ths diejagwghs ths syzhthshs pro hmerhsias diatajews gia ta oikonomika, sth Boylh.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

KAPRALOS: Xqes, h k. Petralia phre qesh epi twn protasewn toy k. Mixaloy gia elastikopoihsh twn ergasiakwn sxesewn enocei ths epikeimenhs krishs. Qelete na kanete kapoio sxolio ep` aytoy, eseis;

ANTWNAROS: Einai jekaqarh h qesh ths kybernhshs, ths kybernhtikhs politikhs, opws th diatypwse xqes, alla kai shmera, ejerxomenh toy Megaroy Majimoy, meta thn taktikh synergasia poy eixe me ton Prwqypoyrgo, h Ypoyrgos k. Petralia. Oi apoceis poy anaferate den aphxoyn, se kamia periptwsh, thn kybernhtikh politikh. H kybernhtikh politikh einai yper ths plhroys kai poiotikhs ergasias. Allwste, oi prospaqeies tis opoies kataballoyme, opws gnwrizete, sta plaisia twn prwtoboyliwn poy analambanei h kybernhsh, mesa sth dieqnh oikonomikh krish, apoblepoyn kai sth qwrakish twn qesewn ergasias, th qwrakish ths apasxolhshs kai th dhmioyrgia newn qesewn ergasias.

PALAIOLOGOS: Tote, oi qeseis poy diatypwse o k. Mixalos, o opoios, an den apatwmai, einai kai Proedros toy EBEA, poion ekfrazoyn, ektos apo ton idio;

ANTWNAROS: To eipate monos sas. Profanws, ton idio h to organo to opoio ekproswpei. Den eimai egw se qesh na sas pw, poion ekfrazoyn. Ekeinon qa rwthsete. Emena rwtate, poion ekfrazoyn oi qeseis tis opoies ejefrase kapoios eklegmenos Proedros enos organoy;

PALAIOLOGOS: Eklegmenos, omws, me th shmaia ths Neas Dhmokratias...

ANTWNAROS: Eklegmenos apo ta melh toy organoy to opoio ekproswpei.

PALAIOLOGOS: Me th shmaia ths Neas Dhmokratias den htan; To arneiste ayto; Ayto hqela na rwthsw.

ANTWNAROS: Sas apanthsa.

KAKALHS: Eipate oti einai jekaqarh h qesh ths kybernhshs, alla exoyn ekfrastei treis diaforetikes qeseis apo kybernhtika stelexh. Afenos ths Ypoyrgoy Apasxolhshs, apo thn allh toy k. Alogoskoyfh poy eipe oti den sxoliazei tis apoceis forewn, enw to exei kanei sto parelqon kai htan mia safhs qesh kai epishs kai toy Dioikhth toy IKA, poy th xarakthrise endiaferoysa. Ti apo ta tria isxyei;

ANTWNAROS: H qesh thn opoia diatypwse dyo fores to teleytaio eikositetrawro h Ypoyrgos k. Petralia kai thn opoia diatypwsa kai egw, pro oligwn leptwn, se aythn thn aiqoysa. Ayth einai h qesh ths kybernhshs.

KAKALHS: Mia symplhrwmatikh erwthsh, an moy epitrepete. Epeidh eipate oti h kybernhsh einai yper ths plhroys kai poiotikhs ergasias kai ergazetai gia th qwrakish twn qesewn ergasias, antimetwpizete to endexomeno analhchs nomoqetikhs prwtoboylias, me stoxo thn apagoreysh twn apolysewn enocei ths krishs;

ANTWNAROS: Tetoia pragmata den ginontai me nomoqetikes prwtoboylies. Aytes einai prwtoboylies oi opoies analambanontai ston trito kosmo, an analambanontai kai ekei, qa moy epitrecete na sas pw. Yparxei sygkekrimenh nomoqesia sth xwra mas...

KAKALHS: Ara, yparxei nomoqesia...

ANTWNAROS: ... Yparxei sygkekrimenh nomoqesia sth xwra mas, h opoia diepei toys oroys ths apasxolhshs. Ekeino poy exei shmasia einai na efarmozetai h isxyoysa nomoqesia, na ginetai sebasth h nomoqesia.

KAKALHS: Egw eipa, an skefteste na parete prosqeta metra gia na qwrakisete tis qeseis apasxolhshs.

ANTWNAROS: Sas edwsa apanthsh. Oi qeseis ergasias, oi qeseis apasxolhshs, qwrakizontai me thn oikonomikh politikh thn opoia askei h kybernhsh. Kai me ayth thn politikh meiwqhke h anergia apo pososto poy htan panw apo 11%, se pososto gyrw sto 7%, th stigmh poy alles xwres ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs antimetwpizoyn - -oxi mono twra, ta teleytaia xronia- - shmantikh anodo ths anergias.

MIXAHL: Kyrie Ekproswpe, akoysa poly prosektika xqes, toys boyleytes toy kybernwntos kommatos sthn Ejetastikh Epitroph, na ejhgoyn gia poio logo qewroyn oti den qa eprepe na synexistoyn oi ergasies ths Epitrophs kai na oloklhrwqoyn me th shmerinh ejetash toy k. Roysopoyloy. Qelw na sas rwthsw to ejhs: An gia thn kybernhsh prokycoyn, apo thn poreia twn ereynwn to epomeno diasthma, stoixeia ta opoia xrhzoyn diereynhshs kai gia politika proswpa, pws qa antidrasete;

ANTWNAROS: Den antilambanomai ti qelete na peite. Oi kataqeseis twn martyrwn oloklhrwnontai shmera. Exei synapofasistei apo ola ta kommata, ta opoia ekproswpoyntai sth Boylh, oti oi ergasies ths Ejetastikhs Epitrophs kai h kataqesh toy porismatos, qa exoyn oloklhrwqei mexri tis 15 Dekembrioy. Synepws, einai safes to ti exei apofasistei. Ean kapoioi - -kai anaferomai sto komma ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs, den exw kanena logo na wraiopoihsw h na diaforopoihsw ta logia moy- - krinoyn oti mporoyn me thn aqroa klhteysh martyrwn - -to eipa kai xqes, to epanalambanw kai shmera- - poy den exoyn kamia sxesh me thn ypoqesh na parateinoyn h na eytelisoyn h na kanoyn thn Epitroph na apoklinei apo to kaqhkon to opoio exei, dhladh, th diereynhsh ths ypoqeshs kai th diatypwsh porismatos entos twn hmeromhniwn, hmeromhniwn poy oloi exoyn synapofasisei, tote ayto deixnei akribws, poia einai ta kinhtra pisw apo aytes tis kinhseis. Den exoyn kamia oysia. Einai kinhtra politikoy entypwsiasmoy.

MIXAHL: Na prosqesw akomh mia erwthsh, sas parakalw. Anejarthta toy ti qa ginei me thn Ejetastikh Epitroph, entos twn xronodiagrammatwn poy exoyn apofasistei apo thn olomeleia, h ereyna synexizetai gi` ayth th megalh ypoqesh, apo thn pleyra ths Dikaiosynhs. Kai lew, loipon, oti apo ayth thn ereyna, endexetai to epomeno diasthma, endexetai, den to jeroyme, na prokycoyn stoixeia, mesa apo thn kinhsh twn logariasmwn, giati qa zhthqoyn ayta ap` o,ti maqainoyme apo tis dikastikes phges...

ANTWNAROS: Jerete oti qa prokycoyn ta stoixeia;

MIXAHL: Oxi, oti qa ginoyn oi analoges kinhseis. Rwtaw, an prokycoyn tetoia stoixeia, pws protiqeste eseis na topoqethqeite gia thn kinhsh twn logariasmwn h mh, dioti qa yparxei ena porisma ths Epitrophs poy qa leei, to ejetasame, (den akoygetai) brhkame.

ANTWNAROS: Otan pacei h erwthsh sas na einai ypoqetikh kai an kai efoson yparjoyn tetoia stoixeia, tote qa janaqesete to erwthma kai qa sas apanthsw.

TSIOYFOS: Na to qesw diaforetika: H kybernhsh skeftetai h protiqetai, telos pantwn, na synainesei na mhn kleisei shmera h Ejetastikh tis ergasies ths me thn oloklhrwsh ths kataqeshs twn martyrwn, alla na perimenei gia thn ekdosh toy porismatos h twn porismatwn, meta thn koinopoihsh sthn Ejetastikh Epitroph twn stoixeiwn apo ta anoigmata twn logariasmwn. Giati einai kapoia stoixeia poy mporei na prokycoyn apo ekei.

ANTWNAROS: Exw topoqethqei se ola ayta.

TSIOYFOS: Den einai to idio, den rwthsa to idio.

ANTWNAROS: Exw topoqethqei kai yparxoyn, allwste, paradeigmata kai apo to prosfato parelqon.

DHMADHS: Emmenete k. Antwnare sthn apoch sas oti den yparxoyn politikes eyqynes sthn ypoqesh ayth; Eiste jekaqaros ws pros ayto; Giati thn prohgoymenh fora mas eixate pei oti den yparxoyn politikes eyqynes.

ANTWNAROS: Emmenw sthn apoch moy oti oloklhrwnetai h ereyna kai qa anamenw kai egw, opws kai eseis, to porisma.

DHMADHS: Ara, ayto shmainei oti diaforopoieite th stash sas apo thn prohgoymenh fora.

ANTWNAROS: Kaqoloy.

BLABIANOS: Ep` aytoy. Qymamai, xqes, oti mas eipate oti den jerete gia eishghseis Ypoyrgwn pros ton Prwqypoyrgo. Blepw, shmera, kai se filokybernhtikes efhmerides, na synexizoyn ta reportaz oti telikws qa yparjei parembash toy Prwqypoyrgoy gia apodoxh politikwn eyqynwn. Exete na mas peite kati;

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na kanw kanena sxolio sxetika me eikotologies.

KAKALHS: Eipate prohgoymenws ``an yparjoyn stoixeia''.

ANTWNAROS: Oxi, den eipa ``an yparjoyn stoixeia''. Eipa ston k. Mixahl, o opoios ekane...

KAKALHS: Egw xrhsimopoihsa th frash gia na kanw thn ejhs erwthsh: Mhpws h kybernhsh, h koinoboyleytikh pleiochfia, den qelei na yparjoyn stoixeia; Me dedomeno oti apokalyptetai shmera oti apo thn kypriakh Arxh gia to jeplyma ``brwmikoy'' xrhmatos den zhthqhke kamia syndromh;

ANTWNAROS: Diabaste, parakalw, ti eipe o k. Markogiannakhs, Proedros ths Epitrophs, sta xqesinh praktika, selida 241.

BASILAKOPOYLOS: Kai afoy lete oti me thn prospaqeia toy kommatos ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs na epimhkynei tis ergasies ths Epitrophs, yparxei stoxos na eytelistoyn oi ergasies ths kai o rolos ths k.t.l... .

ANTWNAROS: Kati tetoio diablepw pisw apo tis kinhseis toy kommatos ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs. Den qa epitrecoyme, omws, emeis na symbei ayto.

BASILAKOPOYLOS: Wraia. Na rwthsw, an blepete kentriko politiko stoxo; Giati o eytelismos stis Epitropes, entajei, den leei tipota epi ths oysias.

ANTWNAROS: Bebaiotata kai blepw kentriko politiko stoxo.

BASILAKOPOYLOS: Ti, dhladh;

ANTWNAROS: Einai h dhmioyrgia politikwn entypwsewn, oi opoies omws einai asfaires.

PALAIOLOGOS: Epeidh eipate prohgoymenws sthn erwthsh synadelfoy gia to an anagnwrizete politikes eyqynes ``qa anameinete to porisma'', ws kybernhsh telika, eseis ti exete bgalei apo ayth thn istoria ths ypoqeshs toy Batopaidioy;

ANTWNAROS: Qa anameinw to porisma.

SWTHRIADOY: Kyrie Ekproswpe, epeidh sas exoyme akoysei polles fores na milate oti den blepete politikes eyqynes se ayth thn ypoqesh...

ANTWNAROS: Exw pei sygkekrimenh frash. Se ayth th frash...

SWTHRIADOY: ``Den moy prokyptoyn politikes eyqynes'', exete pei.

ANTWNAROS: O,ti exw na pw gi` ayto to qema, to eipa. Den protiqemai, shmera, na pw kati allo.

SWTHRIADOY: Exete, loipon, pei th frash ``den moy prokyptoyn politikes eyqynes''. Den sas prokyptoyn politikes eyqynes mono gia thn kybernhsh h den sas prokyptoyn politikes eyqynes kai gia to PASOK; Gia kanenan den yparxoyn;

ANTWNAROS: Gia ola ta qemata qa anameinw thn ekdosh toy porismatos.

DHMADHS: Ta deltia Typoy poy bgainoyn apo ta ekastote Ypoyrgeia ekproswpoyn thn kybernhtikh politikh, ekproswpoyn tis qeseis ths kybernhshs h oxi k. Antwnare;

ANTWNAROS: Ean anafereste sto deltio Typoy toy Ypoyrgeioy Agrotikhs Anaptyjhs to 2006...

DHMADHS: Se ayto anaferomai.

ANTWNAROS: Parapempw sthn apanthsh, to sxoliasmo, ton opoio ekane xqes o koinoboyleytikos ekproswpos ths Neas Dhmokratias k. Panos Panagiwtopoylos. H dhlwsh ayth me ekfrazei apolytws.

DHMADHS: Htan syntonismenoi, dhladh, oi kybernhtikoi xeirismoi;

ANTWNAROS: Egw parapempw sth dhlwsh thn opoia ekane o k. Panagiwtopoylos, th xrhsimopoiw kai lew oti me ekfrazei apolytws.

BASILAKOPOYLOS: Oi topoqethseis toy k. Panagiwtopoyloy, mia kai hrqe sthn koybenta mas, ekfrazoyn thn kybernhsh; Dioti o k. Panagiwtopoylos eixe milhsei apo thn prwth stigmh gia mia dysosmh ypoqesh thn opoia malista den distase na xarakthrisei skandalo. Eseis akomh th xarakthrizete, thn perigrafete ws ypoqesh toy Batopaidioy. Mhpws...

ANTWNAROS: Gnwrizw tis perissoteres dhlwseis toy Koinoboyleytikoy Ekproswpoy ths Neas Dhmokratias k. Panagiwtopoyloy. Egw anaferqhka se sygkekrimenh, thn opoia sas eipa...

BASILAKOPOYLOS: Sas ekfrazoyn oles;

ANTWNAROS: Syllhbdhn, gnwrizete oti egw den topoqetoymai.

KAKALHS: H dhlwsh toy oti ``qa fygete nyxta'', sas ekfrazei;

ANTWNAROS: Ta exoyme pei ayta. Epanerxeste sta idia kai ta idia.

GKATSIOS: Na perimenoyme ayrio apo ton Prwqypoyrgo thn anakoinwsh kapoiwn newn prwtoboyliwn ston oikonomiko tomea oson afora sth sthrijh twn oikonomika asqenesterwn;

ANTWNAROS: Ekeino to opoio qa hqela na pw, gia mia akomh fora, einai oti oles oi prwtoboylies, olh h politikh thn opoia askoyme mesa se ayto to dyskolo dieqnes oikonomiko periballon, stoxeyei sth sthrijh ths pragmatikhs oikonomias kai thn enisxysh, thn antimetwpish twn anagkwn poy exoyn oloi oi Ellhnes polites kai kyriws ekeinoi oi opoioi exoyn tis megalyteres anagkes.

MIXAHL: H kybernhsh topoqethqhke kai eseis shmera, kai xqes h pleiochfia twn boyleytwn gyrw apo to qema ths Ejetastikhs Epitrophs. Einai ayth h apofash poy phrate. Den qelete na trabaei se makros, na mhn eytelistei, opws lete swsta. An oi polites - -kai ayto qa to deite to epomeno diasthma- - sxhmatisoyn allh entypwsh, sas problhmatizei kaqoloy;

ANTWNAROS: Eilikrina den antilambanomai ti qelete na peite.

MIXAHL: Qa sas to pw poly apla. Eseis mporei na kanate thn epilogh poy kanate, kalh h kakh (den akoygetai) na thn krinw. An oi polites den to antilhfqoyn etsi kai to ekfrasoyn eite dhmoskopika, eite me tis antidraseis toys, eite me opoiodhpote allo tropo krinoyn, sas problhmatizei ayto;

ANTWNAROS: O,ti eixa na pw gia to qema ths Ejetastikhs Epitrophs, to eipa.

KAKARNIAS: Akoysthkan shmera kapoies kataggelies apo boyleytes ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs oti den exei ginei epishmh, eggrafo, telos pantwn, aithma pros tis kypriakes Arxes gia to anoigma twn logariasmwn poy apaitoyntai. Exete kapoio sxolio;

ANTWNAROS: Parepemca sth dhlwsh, sthn topoqethsh toy k. Markogiannakh sth selida 241 twn xqesinwn praktikwn.

KAKARNIAS: Isxyei kai ws apanthsh toy Ypoyrgeioy Dikaiosynhs h sygkekrimenh apanthsh toy k. Markogiannakh;

ANTWNAROS: To xeirismo toy qematos ton kanei o k. Markogiannakhs. Ekeinos einai Proedros ths Epitrophs, ekeinos analambanei kat` entolh ths Epitrophs - -gi` ayto parapempw se ekeinon- - na xeiristei ola ayta ta epimeroys qemata.

KAKALHS: H xwra bghke apo thn epithrhsh prin apo merika xronia xarin stis qysies toy ellhnikoy laoy, tis opoies eixate gennaiodwra anagnwrisei, xwris na eyqynetai bebaia o ellhnikos laos. Twra, giati epanaferete to fasma ths epithrhshs; Giati etoimazete nees qysies, na ypoballete se nees qysies ton ellhniko lao;

ANTWNAROS: Eyxaristws na sas dwsw thn apanthsh thn opoia edwsa proxqes - -den hsaste edw- - se ayto akribws to qema, to opoio rwthsate.

KAKALHS: Kai prolabate ton k. Alogoskoyfh dhladh.

ANTWNAROS: Exw apanthsei.

Sas eyxaristw.

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