Greek Government Press Briefing, 08-09-29

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Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Deytera, 29 Septembrioy 2008

Ariqmos Deltioy: 161488248

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YPOYRGOS EPIKRATEIAS

Aqhna, 29 Septembrioy 2008

Xairete kai kalh ebdomada.

" O Prwqypoyrgos k. Kwstas Karamanlhs, ayrio stis 10.00, qa synanthqei me ton Ypoyrgo Periballontos, Xwrotajias kai Dhmosiwn Ergwn k. Giwrgo Soyflia, sto Megaro Majimoy. Stis 11.00, qa synedriasei h Kybernhtikh Epitroph me qemata toy Ypoyrgeioy Ejwterikwn.

" Thn perasmenh ebdomada o k. Kakalhs eixe qesei erwthma sxetika me to ryqmo twn ependysewn ws pososto toy AEP sthn Ellada, me aformh dhmosieymata gia to ryqmo ependysewn to 2007. Xarh sto programma metarryqmisewn ths kybernhshs, h Ellada eixe to 2007 thn trith kalyterh epidosh sthn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh, oson afora synolika tis ependyseis ws pososto toy AEP. Sygkekrimena, oi ependyseis sth xwra mas ayjhqhkan apo to 24,4% toy AEP to 2004, sto 25,7% toy AEP to 2007. Oi jenes ependyseis thn tetraetia 2004-2007 einai kata poly ayjhmenes se sxesh me antistoixes prohgoymenes periodoys. H meiwsh gia to 2007 einai sygkyriakh kai ofeiletai sto gegonos oti to 2006 eixame poly ychlh eisroh jenwn ependysewn. Ejalloy, fetos sto eptamhno Ianoyarioy-Ioylioy, oi jenes ameses ependyseis sthn Ellada einai ypertriplasies se sxesh me perysi, dhladh, exoyme ayjhsh ths tajews toy 215%.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

FANIDHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, prin pame sthn politikh epikairothta, hqela na rwthsw, an ontws exete topoqethsei kameres, opws egrafe kyriakatikh efhmerida sto ypoyrgeio, edw, sth Genikh Grammateia Enhmerwshs, gia na parakoloyqeite ta panta.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Yparxei hdh apanthsh, h opoia an den exei stalei, qa stalei shmera sthn efhmerida. Einai ena qema gia to opoio exoyme janamilhsei kai se ayth thn aiqoysa. Malista, perysi episkefqhke th Grammateia antiproswpeia ths POESY kai ths ESHEA. Diapistwqhke to analhqes twn kataggeliwn. H pragmatikothta -thn opoia kalw kai esas meta to briefing na ejakribwsete anebainontas se oloys toys xwroys ths Grammateias- einai teleiws diaforetikh, apo aythn poy grafhke sth sygkekrimenh efhmerida.

TERZHS: Epeidh einai sxedon 48 wres apo thn omilia toy Prwqypoyrgoy sthn Kentrikh Epitroph, hqela na rwthsw, an h kybernhsh ektima oti to mhnyma toy Prwqypoyrgoy peri toy teloys ths eswstrefeias, etsi ekleise sth deyterologia toy, elhfqh apo ta stelexh toy kommatos. Anaferomai se mia synenteyjh poy edoqh me polla erwthmatika, alla kai se olh th syzhthsh poy janajekinhse peri antartwn mesa sto kybernwn komma.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Anafereste se zhthmata poy aforoyn to komma. Den qa apanthsw gi` ayta. Epeidh, omws, sthn erwthsh sas perilambanotan kai boyleyths toy kommatos, qa shmeiwsw aplws oti exei hdh ginei dhlwsh apo to boyleyth.

KAKALHS: Pisteyete oti me thn apeilh diagrafwn h me thn apeilh prowrwn eklogwn qa mpei telos sthn eswstrefeia gia thn opoia ekane logo kai paradexqhke o Prwqypoyrgos; Mhpws h eswstrefeia exei na kanei kai me thn apotyxia ths kybernhshs na lysei ta megala problhmata toy laoy kai toy topoy;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Se o,ti afora to prwto skelos toy erwthmatos sas, den qa apanthsw, dioti den qewrw oti yphrje kanenos eidoys apeilh. Se o,ti afora to deytero, gnwrizete para poly kala oti synexizoyme ena ergo poy exoyme analabei edw kai xronia. Se o,ti afora ta megala problhmata, kai apanthseis dinontai kai lyseis dinontai se kaqhmerinh bash. Mporoyme na anaferqoyme se mia seira apo megala problhmata ta opoia exoyn lyqei. O Prwqypoyrgos, sthn omilia toy, kai sto Ypoyrgiko Symboylio prin apo liges meres -epanelabe orismena shmeia apo ayta sthn Kentrikh Epitroph- anefere me leptomereia oles ekeines tis metarryqmiseis kai tis allages oi opoies ginontai ep` wfeleia toy topoy kai twn politwn.

BASILAKOPOYLOS: Aytes oi kybernhtikes prwtoboylies se epipedo nomoqetiko kai metarryqmistiko, stis opoies anaferqhke o Prwqypoyrgos sthn omilia toy, exoyn kapoio sygkekrimeno xronodiagramma h qa paijoyn kai ena rolo, entos h ektos eisagwgikwn, dilhmmatos ean prokycei qema prowrwn eklogwn;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Se o,ti afora ta dilhmmata, apanthsa kai prin apo liges hmeres kai emmesws kai sthn erwthsh toy k. Kakalh. Kata ta loipa, gnwrizete oti mia seira apo metarryqmiseis, oi opoies exoyn anakoinwqei kai exoyn proxwrhsei, exoyn xronodiagramma. Ws paradeigma sas efera, molis thn Pempth, to qema ths metarryqmishs poy ginetai sto asfalistiko mas systhma. Synexizoyme kanonika se ena xronodiagramma, to opoio thrhqhke me akribeia hmeras kai oxi mono me akribeia mhnos. Antistoixa xronodiagrammata yparxoyn kai exoyn anakoinwqei apo toys ypoyrgoys oi opoioi xeirizontai alla qemata. Gia paradeigma, xronodiagramma yparxei gia thn Olympiakh. Gnwrizete poly kala oti exei doqei safes xronodiagramma apo ton ypoyrgo k. Xatzhdakh gia tis peraiterw energeies, ews th lysh toy problhmatos. Ara, loipon, kaqe qema, megalo h mikro, den to diaxeirizomaste sth kaqhmerinothta toy etsi tyxaia, alla me mia poly sygkekrimenh strathgikh, h opoia pantote parallhlws anaptyssetai sto xroniko periqwrio poy qa prepei na exoyn oloklhrwqei oi kinhseis, prokeimenoy na yparjei pragmatika apotelesma.

BASILAKOPOYLOS: To Tameio Koinwnikhs Synoxhs, gia paradeigma;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sto Tameio Koinwnikhs Synoxhs anaferqhke o Prwqypoyrgos. Exei anaferqei kai o Ypoyrgos Oikonomikwn. Entos twn epomenwn dyo-triwn mhnwn to argotero, qa exoyn dei oi polites apta apotelesmata.

PALAIOLOGOS: Synafes me to prohgoymeno erwthma: Epeidh anaferqhke o Prwqypoyrgos, se dhlwseis toy, gia thn anagkh sthrijhs twn xamhloterwn eisodhmatika strwmatwn, se sxesh me to epidoma qermanshs, to opoio exei proanaggelqei kai apo ton idio ton Prwqypoyrgo, yparxei kati pio sygkekrimeno gia to pws kai me poia krithria kai se poioys qa doqei; An exei h kybernhsh kapoio sygkekrimeno plano kai entos sygkekrimenoy xronikoy orizonta.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Yparxei apolytws sygkekrimeno plano kai entos sygkekrimenoy xronikoy orizonta, to opoio qa anakoinwqei th stigmh poy prepei na anakoinwqei, apo to armodio ypoyrgeio.

SWTHRIADOY: Kyrie Ypoyrge, o k. Tatoylhs thn Paraskeyh milhse gia ``basilopoyles fylakismenes se pyrgoys'' kai eballe safws kai eyqews kata ths epikoinwniakhs politikhs ths kybernhshs. Den niwqete thn anagkh na apanthsete kati;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi.

PASISHS: Symfwna me dhmosieyma ths ISOTIMIAS, ston Proypologismo toy 2009, ta synolika esoda ypologizontai se 60,5 dis eyrw kai oi dapanes se 94,2 dis eyrw. Synepws, yparxei mia trypa ths tajhs twn 33,7 dis eyrw. Qa hqela, loipon, na rwthsw, pws h kybernhsh protiqetai na antimetwpisei to sygkekrimeno elleimma.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Se o,ti afora to elleimma, gnwrizete mia seira politikwn, oi opoies exoyn lhfqei ta teleytaia tesseramisi xronia kai politikes oxi aplws qewrhtikes, alla apodotikes sthn prajh. To elleimma apo 8% exei katebei katw apo to 3%. Einai ena yparkto problhma, omws, ayto to opoio qetete, me bash to dhmosieyma kai ths efhmeridas, sthn opoia anaferqhkate. Kai einai yparkto giati exoyme mia dieqnh krish h opoia ayjanei tis anagkes, allazei ta dedomena. O stoxos mas, loipon, gia ton Proypologismo toy 2009, einai na sygkrathqoyn oi dapanes akomh perissotero -exei ginei poly megalh prospaqeia sta dhmosionomika, sto dhmosio tomea kai ston eyrytero dhmosio tomea- wste na mporesoyme na exoyme: Prwton, esoda apo thn patajh ths forodiafyghs. Opws gnwrizete poly kala, exei arxisei na anaptyssetai ena programma gia thn patajh ths forodiafyghs, exoyn anakoinwqei oi draseis mas apo to Ypoyrgeio Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn. Kai deyteron, na leitoyrghsei h oikonomikh politikh ths anaptyjhs -thn opoia sthrizoyme staqera- akomh perissotero, para th dieqnh dyskolia sto periballon poy zoyme, gia na mporei na synexisei h agora na einai zwntanh. Pisteyoyme oti qa petyxoyme kai ta dyo.

KAKALHS: Sth dieqnh krish ofeiletai to gegonos oti sto neo Proypologismo qa einai ayjhmenoi oi foroi kata 5,5 disekatommyria, 10%  12% parapanw apo fetos;

ROYSOPOYLOS: H forologia -etsi opws th gnwrizete mesa apo ta forologika nomosxedia poy kateqese h kybernhsh- sthn kaqhmerinh zwh, sthn prajh, meiwqhke epi twn hmerwn ths Neas Dhmokratias. Meiwqhkan oi forologikoi syntelestes toso gia tis epixeirhseis, oso kai gia ta fysika proswpa. To sxedio de peraiterw meiwshs, sas einai epishs gnwsto -mias kai nwritera milagame gia xronodiagrammata- ews ta pososta ekeina ta opoia anakoinwse prin apo liges ebdomades o Ypoyrgos Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn. Se o,ti afora, loipon, th forologhsh, gnwrizete oti exoyme mia politikh poy anaptyssetai se dyo ajones: O men prwtos einai h meiwsh twn forwn gia ta fysika proswpa kai tis epixeirhseis kai o deyteros einai h prospaqeia patajhs ths forodiafyghs. H forodiafygh einai akoma ena megalo anoixto zhthma kai ginetai synexhs prospaqeia.

TSIOYFOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, jerame mexri thn Paraskeyh oti ayto poy onomazame oloi kokkinh grammh, eixe topoqethqei sthn katachfish kapoioy nomosxedioy. Apo thn Paraskeyh kai meta, ayth h kokkinh grammh exei perasei pia kai se yperbaseis lektikes, yperbaseis se o,ti afora dhlwseis ypoyrgwn, boyleytwn h stelexwn ths kybernhshs;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den xreiazetai na kanw kamia ermhneia twn logwn toy Prwqypoyrgoy. H omilia toy htan jekaqarh.

FANIDHS: Sto idio qema, kyrie Ekproswpe. O Prwqypoyrgos eipe eswstrefeia telos. Ayto shmainei logika kai telos stis dhlwseis eidika gia qemata sta opoia eseis ws ekproswpos ths kybernhshs exete topoqethqei para polles fores apenanti stis erwthseis poy sas qetoyme edw. Prin apo ligh wra o k. Regkoyzas epanhlqe sto qema toy Batopaidioy, legontas oti yparxei terastio politiko kai hqiko problhma. Ayto den synista eswstrefeia;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Apantwntas ston k. Tsioyfo, eipa oti h omilia toy Prwqypoyrgoy htan jekaqarh. Anaferete ena deytero qema to opoio gnwrizete poly kala oti kai sto logo toy Prwqypoyrgoy, alla kai sthn politikh praktikh ths kybernhshs exei mia sygkekrimenh antimetwpish, staqera jekaqarh. Oi ypoyrgoi poy xeiristhkan to qema kinhqhkan me diaygeia sto plaisio twn armodiothtwn kai twn kaqhkontwn toys kai den tiqetai kanena qema gia toys ypoyrgoys. Se o,ti afora ta loipa zhthmata, gnwrizete poly kala, oti apo thn prwth stigmh h kybernhsh kai pagwse tis diadikasies, kai anepemce to qema sto Nomiko Symboylio toy Kratoys. Kai parallhlws exoyme thn ereyna ths Dikaiosynhs h opoia pisteyoyme oti qa apodwsei apotelesmata. To poia apotelesmata, ayto qa mas to pei h ereyna ths Dikaiosynhs. Den mporoyme na to gnwrizoyme. Ara, loipon, apantw sto sygkekrimeno qema poy qesate. Kata ta loipa, den exw na prosqesw tipote sta osa eipa kai ston k. Tsioyfo.

PALAIOLOGOS: H prohgoymenh topoqethsh sas se erwthsh moy, moy kinhse thn periergeia. Eipate oti se sxesh me to qema toy epidomatos qermanshs qa anakoinwqei thn katallhlh stigmh apo to armodio ypoyrgeio. Den eipate apo ton armodio ypoyrgo. Shmainei kati;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Mporw na to diorqwsw ean qelete. Na pw apo ton armodio ypoyrgo.

PALAIOLOGOS: Ara, den yparxei kati dhladh na allajei ws pros to proswpo poy qa ekproswpei to ypoyrgeio.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den ginontai etsi ta pragmata sthn politikh. Den yparxei sigoyra kanenos eidoys allagh opws ayth poy ypainisseste.

TERZHS: Se kaqe periptwsh, eite einai o k. Alogoskoyfhs eite oxi, qa einai o armodios ypoyrgos poy qa to anakoinwsei. Eipate nwritera gia to Batopaidi, oti speysate, an moy epitrepete, na peite oti den yparxei kanena qema eyqynhs  to eyqynhs dikh moy lejh- twn ypoyrgwn. Lete oti htan diaygeis oi kinhseis toys, kanena qema me toys ypoyrgoys. Mhpws prokatalambanete ligaki thn ereyna ths Dikaiosynhs h opoia einai se ejelijh; Ayto einai to ena erwthma kai to deytero, an moy epitrepete na epanelqw sto zhthma toy k. Giannopoyloy. Den einai kommatiko zhthma otan zhtaei thn paraithsh enos ypoyrgoy, prokeimenoy na yperaspistei kata thn apoch toy, tis epiqeseis poy dexetai. Na yperaspistei eayton twn epiqesewn. Pollw de mallon, otan den yparxei kamia sygkekrimenh anafora toy Prwqypoyrgoy poy na ton apotrepei apo to na zhthsei thn paraithsh enos ypoyrgoy.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oson afora to qema toy Batopaidioy den espeysa. Ayto poy eipa shmera to exw pei, an diabasete ta briefing, tis teleytaies 4 -5 ebdomades, me ton idio tropo para polles fores. Oson afora to teleytaio qema poy qesate, me ton boyleyth ths Neas Dhmokratias kai prwhn yfypoyrgo k. Giannopoylo, den exw na symplhrwsw tipota. Ta eipe o Prwqypoyrgos, xwris na anaferetai se sygkekrimena proswpa. Milhse sthn Kentrikh Epitroph. Ayta poy eipe einai katanohta, katalhpta apo oloys. Oson afora to prwto qema poy qesate, dhladh toy Ypoyrgoy Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn, kai ayto exei teqei para polles fores ws erwthma se ayth thn aiqoysa. Alla to jekaqarise kai o Prwqypoyrgos sthn omilia toy sthn Kentrikh Epitroph, milwntas gia to pws ginontai oi anasxhmatismoi stis kybernhseis kai poios einai ypeyqynos.

PALAIOLOGOS: Den to ekleise omws.

ROYSOPOYLOS: To ekleise apolytws.

PALAIOLOGOS: Ennow, to afhse anoixto gia to eggys mellon.

ROYSOPOYLOS: To allajate poly grhgora.

BASILAKOPOYLOS: Eipate prin oti o tropos antimetwpishs fainomenwn entos h ektos eisagwgikwn diaforopoihshs stelexwn, einai idios kai pagios se kaqe periptwsh, an katalaba kala. Den paizei kanena rolo gia thn kybernhsh ston tropo leitoyrgias toylaxiston oti sthn prwth qhteia ths na th sthrizoyn 165 boyleytes kai twra 152; Ypo thn ejhs ennoia moy dhmioyrghqhke mia aporia, apo thn topoqethsh toy k. Tatoylh sthn Kentrikh Epitroph thn Paraskeyh. Eida me to ftwxo moy blemma kai myalo oti den ekane pisw se o,ti yposthrize. Thn idia stigmh, maqame gia mia synenteyjh toy k. Giannopoyloy sto PRWTO QEMA. Mhpws ayto poy hrqe se gnwsh kapoiwn paragontwn ths kybernhshs htan ekeino poy apetrece th diagrafh toy k. Tatoylh; Giati qymamai oti o k. Polyzos eixe diagrafei gia kati poly pio aplo, en riph ofqalmoy me toys 165 boyleytes. Twra omws yparxoyn 152, ti symbainei;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Akomh kai an akoloyqeite ena poly endiaferon skeptiko sthn erwthsh sas, foboymai oti h apanthsh moy den mporei na einai toso endiaferoysa, gi` ayto qa meinw sthn prohgoymenh.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Kyrie Ypoyrge, yparxei qema Grammatea sth Nea Dhmokratia, sto komma sas; To rwtaw ayto giati mia seira apo energeies toy k. Meimarakh, oysiastika ton kaqistoyn atypo Grammatea.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den gnwrizw poy anafereste. H ermhneia einai ayqaireth. Gnwrizete oti den apantw ek meroys toy kommatos, alla epeidh dynatai na dhmioyrghqei entypwsh ean den apanthsw, qa sas pw oti den yparxei kanena tetoio qema.

TSIOYFOS: Thn Paraskeyh sthn Kentrikh Epitroph akoysthke mia apoch, h opoia kykloforei eyrytera, oti to 151 einai isxyrotero toy 152. Symfwneite;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Apo maqhmatikhs apocews rwtate h apo politikhs; Den qa parw qesh gia kanena apo ta dyo. Exei apanthsei o Prwqypoyrgos se sxetikes erwthseis poy exoyn ginei ton teleytaio xrono.

TSIOYFOS: Rwthqhke o Prwqypoyrgos, gi` ayto einai to qema.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exei erwthqei, bebaiws, sth Boylh.

TERZHS: Afoy, oytws h allws, diaforoi zhtoyn thn paraithsh sas, mhpws na eishghqeite to idio kai sthn ypoyrgo Ejwterikwn, wste na exete megalyterh koinoboyleytikh dynamh, symprattontos ennow kai toy kommatos toy k. Karatzaferh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qetete thn erwthsh sas me xioymor kai egw ektimw idiaitera to xioymor. Alla qa apanthsw sto deytero skelos, giati to prwto qewrw oti exei apanthqei apo ton idio ton Prwqypoyrgo, otan anaferqhke sthn omilia toy sthn Kentrikh Epitroph. Isxyei h apanthsh poy exoyme dwsei peri twn akrwn kai twn akrothtwn.

KAKALHS: Einai oristikh h topoqethsh sas oti qa perimenei h kybernhsh to porisma ths Dikaiosynhs gia thn ypoqesh toy Batopaidioy kai meta qa analabei nomoqetikes prwtoboylies, giati kykloforhsan kapoies plhrofories oti endexomenws na analambanate nomoqetikes prwtoboylies prin to porisma ths Dikaiosynhs.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Isxyei o,ti exw pei. Den exw tipota perissotero.

PALAIOLOGOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, pws einai dynaton mia zhmiogona epixeirhsh  toylaxiston to prwto ejamhno h DEH paroysiaze emfaneis zhmies, yperogkes qa elega- na dinei ejtra mponoys h poly megaloys misqoys se dieyqyntika stelexh; Ormwmai apo to prwtoselido, shmera, ths efhmeridas ``TO EQNOS''.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Apeyqynqhka sto ypoyrgeio Anaptyjhs kai qa sas diabasw thn apanthsh thn opoia elaba: ``Shmera, h epixeirhsh diaqetei stelexh ta opoia kateixan sto parelqon organikh qesh eyqynhs kai gia diaforoys logoys den einai pleon sthn ierarxia. H epixeirhsh exei apofasisei na ajiopoihsei energa ta stelexh ayta pros thn idia kateyqynsh poy drasthriopoioyntai kai ta organika, entatikopoiwntas th syneisfora toys me sygkekrimenes anaqeseis ergwn kai rolwn. Ta stelexh ayta, kaqws epishs kai osa oristoyn sto mellon, kaqoti h dioikhsh mporei na dhmioyrghsei ana pasa stigmh rolo epitelikoy stelexoys me anaqesh kaqhkontwn gia thn ektelesh twn opoiwn apaiteitai gnwsh, empeiria kai ejeidikeysh, qa symballoyn energa sto gignesqai ths epixeirhshs se anwtero epipedo''. Apo to ypoyrgeio Anaptyjhs exw enhmerwsh oti opoiadhpote stoixeia peraiterw qelete gia to sygkekrimeno qema, qa sas diateqoyn.

KAKALHS: (den akoygetai)

ROYSOPOYLOS: An mporw na apanthsw, giati sas eipa oti ayto to opoio...

KAKALHS: Einai politikh erwthsh poy qelw na kanw. Blepoyme, me aformh kai th xqesinh anakoinwsh ths dioikhshs ths DEH oti odhgeitai se katarreysh, anakoinwse megalyteres zhmies gia to telos toy xronoy. Mporeite na mas peite poies einai oi politikes eyqynes ths kybernhshs gia to idio to montelo apeleyqerwshs ths agoras energeias apo th stigmh poy h DEH ypoxrewnetai na agorazei olh thn paragwgh twn idiwtwn, antagwnistwn se times ychloteres apo aytes poy poylaei;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sxetika me ta dhmosieymata poy aforoyn sthn anakoinwsh ths DEH peri dhmosionomikwn apotelesmatwn ths 28hs Septembrioy kai sta opoia fantazomai basizete thn erwthsh sas: H paroysiash twn gegonotwn, opws me plhroforoyn apo to ypoyrgeio Anaptyjhs einai elafrws streblwmenh, kaqws oi ypoxrewseis ths DEH pros to koinwniko synolo epibarynoyn se kapoio baqmo ta oikonomika ths apotelesmata, akribws logw ths anagkhs kalychs ths zhthshs gia to synolo ths ellhnikhs koinwnias. Peran aytoy, oi dedomenes aney prohgoymenoy ayjhseis twn dieqnwn timwn twn kaysimwn htan anamenomeno na ephreasoyn ta oikonomika apotelesmata opoiasdhpote epixeirhshs, poy basizetai se megalo baqmo sth xrhsh aytwn twn prwtwn ylwn. Ta gegonota ayta se syndyasmo me tis dedomenes dyskolies poy antimetwpise h DEH sthn hlektroparagwgh, kaqws kai thn ypoxrewsh ths DEH na mhn ayjhsei peraiterw thn egkatasthmenh bash hlektroparagwghs logw apeleyqerwshs ths agoras, aitiologei se megalo baqmo ta oikonomika apotelesmata.

KAKALHS: Twra poy peftoyn oi times ths energeias dieqnws, qa rijei kai h DEH ta timologia;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oi times ths energeias peftoyn. Yparxei mia prospaqeia, opws blepete dieqnws, na sygkrathqoyn se kaqe periptwsh, se prwth fash toylaxiston. Se o,ti afora tis peraiterw diadikasies, gnwrizete oti h xwra einai apo tis xwres poy exoyn pio fqhno reyma sthn Eyrwph, apo to pio fqhno timologio sthn Eyrwph. Gia opoiesdhpote alles plhrofories, parakalw na apeyqynqeite sth DEH.

GALIATSATOS: Qa symfwnhsete mazi moy k. Ekproswpe oti den synhqizetai se mia eishgmenh epixeirhsh, ypo thn epopteia toy Dhmosioy, na dinontai mponoys se stelexh ths otan ayth eidika einai mia zhmiogona xrhsh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa prepei kapoios na arxisei na skeftetai pws leitoyrgei h agora. Ean dhladh mia epixeirhsh, thn opoia qeloyme na ejygianqei kai na mporesei na ginei akomh kalyterh prokeimenoy na prosferei akomh kalyteres yphresies, qa prepei na akoloyqhsei toys kanones poy akoloyqei kai h ypoloiph agora. To antimetwpisa proswpika ws dilhmma kai ws ypeyqynos politika ypoyrgos gia th dhmosia thleorash, gia thn ERT. Exw apanthsei, edw kai para poly kairo, oxi mia, alla perissoteres fores.

KAKALHS: H agora epiballei na agorazei apo toys antagwnistes olh thn paragwgh energeias se times ychloteres kai na tis poylaei se xamhloterh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Se allo anaferotan o k. Galiatsatos, an katalaba kala.

KAKALHS: Gia toys kanones ths agoras lew egw. Den apanthsate se ayto prohgoymenws.

ROYSOPOYLOS :Sas apanthsa, me bash ta stoixeia poy exw apo th DEH kai ta opoia exoyn dhmosiopoihqei. Qa sas parakaloysa gia peraiterw leptomereies na apeyqynqeite sto ypoyrgeio Anaptyjhs.

Sas eyxaristw.

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