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Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Pempth, 10 Ioylioy 2008

Ariqmos Deltioy: 147492378

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ANAPLHRWTHS KYBERNHTIKOS EKPROSWPOS

Aqhna, 10 Ioylioy 2008

Xairete.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

FANIDHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, qelw na rwthsw, an kata thn apoch sas, yparxei politikh synennohsh, omocyxia kai allhleggyh sthn Koinoboyleytikh Omada ths Neas Dhmokratias, dioti meta ton Petro Tatoylh, ton Simo Kedikogloy, ton Giannh Manwlh kai o Sabbas Tsitoyridhs me dhlwseis toy ejefrase th dysforia toy gia thn kybernhtikh politikh.

ANTWNAROS: Egw jerw oti oi boyleytes toy kommatos ths Neas Dhmokratias ekfrazoyn opws panta, me pneyma apolyths eleyqerias, tis apoceis toys. Kataqetoyn tis qeseis toys kai ayth akribws h kataqesh twn qesewn, twn apocewn einai poy mas phgainei mprosta. Einai poy ejasfalizei sto komma ths Neas Dhmokratias thn empistosynh toy ellhnikoy laoy.

IWANNOY: Kyrie Ekproswpe, tote giati thn hmera poy o k. Simos Kedikogloy ekane kapoia kritikh se sygkekrimenes nootropies kybernhtikwn stelexwn, espeyse h kybernhsh na ``trabhjei to ayti'';

ANTWNAROS: Aytes einai dikes sas ermhneies, oi opoies den exoyn kamia sxesh me thn pragmatikothta.

KORAH: Qa anaferqw se ayto to qema poy exei prokycei apo xqes me th Siemens, me th symfwnia poy einai se ejelijh ths DEH me th Siemens. Xqes kai h kybernhsh kai h DEH epikalesthkan to epixeirhma oti den diekdikhse, xarise gyrw sta 3 ekatommyria eyrw sth sygkekrimenh etaireia, para to gegonos oti den htan synephs stis symbatikes ths ypoxrewseis kai ena ergo to opoio htan na paradoqei to 2007, telika sth synolikh toy morfh qa paradoqei to 2010 peripoy. Ena, loipon, apo ta epixeirhmata htan oti den proxwrhse sth sygkekrimenh kinhsh h DEH, dioti qa exane thn epixorhghsh poy eixe apo to G'KPS. Ayto omws den sthrizetai apo poyqena, den bgainei. Qelw mia nea sas apanthsh.

ANTWNAROS: Opws gnwrizete o k. Roysopoylos xqes anaferqhke kai sas diabase tmhmata, apospasmata apo thn anakoinwsh ths DEH. Ta eidika qemata, opws antilambaneste, den einai antikeimeno ths enhmerwshs toy Kybernhtikoy Ekproswpoy. Epi lejei eipe o k. Roysopoylos xqes: ``Gnwrizw oti egine mia analytikh anakoinwsh, xqes, apo to Dioikhtiko Symboylio ths DEH'' kai sas diabase merika apospasmata. Ayth h apanthsh poy edwse o k. Roysopoylos, isxyei. Den exw na prosqesw kati.

IWANNOY: Sto idio qema, qa hqela na rwthsw to ejhs, giati diabasame xqes, jeroyme ti eipe o k. Roysopoylos kai hdh to erwthma einai ean h kybernhsh briskei ikanopoihtikh thn ejhghsh poy dinei h DEH, qetontas to dillhma h ta lefta apo to G'KPS h tis poinikes rhtres. Qelw na pw oti ena tetoio dillhma mporei panta na einai se baros toy Dhmosioy. Ikanopoiei thn kybernhsh h apanthsh ths DEH h oxi;

ANTWNAROS: H apanthsh poy edwse xqes o k. Roysopoylos, anaferomenos sthn anakoinwsh ths DEH, kalyptei ola ayta ta qemata. Den exw na prosqesw kati.

KAKALHS: Ep` aytoy. Dhladh, na katalaboyme oti h symbash ayth kai oxi mono, fantazomai kai oi ypoloipes san th symbash ayth poy milame, grafthke ``dia xeiros'' Siemens. Giati mona-zyga kerdise h Siemens kai exane panta to Dhmosio.

ANTWNAROS: Eyxaristws, qa sas steilw meta th shmerinh enhmerwsh, thn anakoinwsh ths DEH gia na deite ola ta stoixeia. Dioti anafereste se dhqen pragmatika peristatika poy den einai yfistantai.

KAKALHS: Kanena peristatiko. Sthn pragmatikothta anaferqhka poy leei oti se kaqe periptwsh exane to Dhmosio. Poios thn egrace ayth th symbash telika;

ANTWNAROS: Ayth einai dikh sas ermhneia. Opws sas eipe kai xqes o k. Roysopoylos apo to Dioikhtiko Symboylio den xaqhke to dikaiwma na zhthqei h poinikh rhtra. To Dioikhtiko Symboylio ths DEH, h opoia einai mia etaireia eishgmenh sto Xrhmatisthrio, diathrei opws ola ta dioikhtika symboylia to dikaiwma na prajei ekeino to opoio krinei oti prepei na prajei, prokeimenoy na prostateysei ta symferonta kai ths etaireias kai bebaiws twn Ellhnwn politwn. Ayto to dikaiwma den xaqhke.

KAPRALOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, hqela na rwthsw ean exei oristikopoihqei to programma toy Prwqypoyrgoy sto Parisi kai an exete na mas peite kati ep` aytoy.

ANTWNAROS: Oxi. Fantazomai oti ayrio qa exw perissoteres leptomereies, dhladh, paramonh ths anaxwrhshs toy Prwqypoyrgoy kai eite o k. Roysopoylos eite egw sthn ayrianh enhmerwsh qa sas dwsoyme perissoteres leptomereies h an yparxei to programma nwritera, qa to plhroforhqeite bebaiws apo anakoinwsh toy Grafeioy Typoy toy Prwqypoyrgoy, opws ginetai synhqws.

MELIGKWNHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, enw sthn arxh to PASOK elege oti qa arnoyntan na symmetasxei sth Diakommatikh, xqes eipe oti qa kataqesei tis protaseis toy. H kybernhsh ektima ws anadiplwsh th stash toy PASOK;

ANTWNAROS: Emeis perimenoyme apo ta kommata ths antipoliteyshs na antapokriqoyn sthn prwtoboylia thn opoia phrame me thn epistolh poy esteile o Prwqypoyrgos ston Proedro ths Boylhs, k. Sioyfa, prokeimenoy mesa stoys xronoys toys opoioys sas periegrace kai o k. Roysopoylos, apo ayth edw th qesh th Deytera, na exoyn katateqei oi protaseis twn kommatwn, poy einai bebaiws kalodexoymenes, wste me th sygklhsh ths Olomeleias ths Boylhs ton erxomeno Oktwbrio, dhladh, se treis mhnes apo twra, na systaqei h Diakommatikh Epitroph kai na syzhthqoyn ekei ola ayta ta qemata.

KORAH: Kyrie Ekproswpe, qa epanelqw sto qema ths Siemens. To gegonos oti h DEH me thn anakoinwsh ths epikaleitai kapoia epixeirhmata ta opoia antikroyontai. Ayto den einai ena qema gia thn kybernhsh oti prepei na cajei perissotero to qema; Dhladh, edw aplws mas diabasate tis anakoinwseis ths DEH. Den to qeloyme emeis ayto. Emeis qeloyme sxolio ths kybernhshs. Yparxei ena qema me th Siemens kai me th symbash thn opoia ypegrace me th DEH, h DEH edwse th dikh ths apanthsh, yparxoyn enstaseis, ti leei h kybernhsh; Qa cajei aytes tis enstaseis;

ANTWNAROS: Menw se osa sas eipame xqes.

KORAH: H yioqeteite plhrws thn apanthsh ths DEH;

ANTWNAROS: Menw se osa sas eipame xqes.

KORAH: Den mas dinete safeis apanthseis.

KAKALHS: Me aformh shmerino dhmosieyma oti epanerxetai h amerikanikh etaireia dikhgorwn gia elegxoys...

KORAH: Ths ``Eleyqerotypias'', prosqetw.

KAKALHS: ... hqela na rwthsw, ektos apo ton eswteriko elegxo sth Siemens, kanei kai eswteriko elegxo sto Dhmosio; Elegxei tis symbaseis toy Dhmosioy;

ANTWNAROS: To pws elegxontai oi symbaseis sto plaisio toy ellhnikoy kai toy koinotikoy dikaiakoy plaisioy einai kala gnwsto. Yparxoyn sygkekrimenoi kanones toys opoioys h xwra mas efarmozei aparegklita. Den exw na prosqesw kati panw se ayto.

KAKALHS: Den yfistatai, dhladh, kindynos  symfwna me thn efhmerida- diarrohs aporrhtwn sthn amerikanikh etaireia.

ANTWNAROS: Den blepw kanena tetoio kindyno.

TSORAKHS: Giati sygkekrimena toy eqnikoy kai toy eyrwpaikoy; Yparxei kati poy exei aithqei kai den...

ANTWNAROS: Na sas pw, gia na mhn yparjei kamia paranohsh: Opws gnwrizete, h xwra mas einai mia apo tis 27 xwres poy einai plhrh melh ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs. Mesa sta plaisia ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs exei diamorfwqei ena plegma dikaioy gia tis 27 aytes xwres, poy einai desmeytiko gia tis xwres poy einai melh. Yparxoyn tomeis toy Dikaioy poy exoyn bebaia kaqara eqniko xarakthra. Alla, h xwra mas einai melos ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs. Metexei energa sthn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh. Einai pia ena apo ta palaia melh, plhrh melh, ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs. Kai synepws, exei kai desmeyseis enanti ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs. Desmeyseis tis opoies emeis epilejame na exoyme. Dioti, opws gnwrizete, eimaste melos ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs epeidh qeloyme na eimaste melos ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs. To oti yparxei ena koinotiko Dikaio, einai gnwsto. Den sas lew tipote kainoyrgio. Aytonohta pragmata sas lew.

KAKALHS: An katalaba kala apo ayta poy eipe kai o k. Alogoskoyfhs, ejerxomenos apo th synergasia toy me ton Prwqypoyrgo, mas proideazei gia tis xeiroteres hmeres poy erxontai. Oi kalyteres hmeres poy yposxotan o Prwqypoyrgos pote qa erqoyn;

ANTWNAROS: O k Alogoskoyfhs kai xqes, meta th synedriash ths Kybernhtikhs Epitrophs kai shmera anaferqhke sth dysmenh dieqnh sygkyria, h opoia einai se oloys gnwsth. Kai den qa prepei, bebaiws, na diafeygei ths prosoxhs oti mia tetoia dieqnhs sygkyria, opws einai metajy twn allwn h ektinajh twn timwn toy petrelaioy, h megalh ayjhsh prwtwn ylwn, prwtwn ylwn sto gewrgiko tomea, einai fysiko na ephreazei kai th xwra mas. Apo thn allh meria, o k. Alogoskoyfhs, sth shmerinh toy dhlwsh epishmainei: ``Den yparxei kamia amfibolia oti perna mia dyskolh dieqnws sygkyria kai h ellhnikh kybernhsh qa kanei to kalytero dynato, prokeimenoy h dyskolh ayth sygkyria na perasei me tis mikroteres dynates epiptwseis gia thn Ellada''. H Ellada den einai mia nhsos mesa sto dieqnes sterewma, mesa sthn Eyrwph. Kai sthn teleytaia paragrafo ths xqesinhs toy dhlwshs, o k. Alogoskoyfhs leei: ``Kai sthn Ellada yparxoyn kapoies epiptwseis. Alla, qa elega oti se sxesh me alles oikonomies ths Eyrwphs, h oikonomikh anaptyjh paroysiazei poly megalytero dynamismo sth xwra mas''. Ayto einai gnwsto. Exoyme ryqmoys anaptyjhs poy einai sxedon diplasioi apo to meso oro toy ryqmoy anaptyjhs ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs. Synepws, h xwra mas brisketai -ayto qelei na pei o k. Alogoskoyfhs- - oson afora to sygkekrimeno tomea, se kalytero epipedo apo alles eyrwpaikes xwres. Alla, ayto den shmainei oti oi epiptwseis den yparxoyn kai gia th xwra mas. Dhladh, den qa eprepe o k. Alogoskoyfhs na anaferqei se ayto to qema gia to opoio oloi milane sthn Eyrwph; Den qa eprepe na epishmanei stoys Ellhnes polites oti yparxoyn ayta ta sygkekrimena qemata; Den qa eprepe na kanei tis anafores poy kanei; An den to ekane, tote qa briskontan kapoioi, oi opoioi qa elegan dikaiws ston k. Alogoskoyfh kai thn kybernhsh oti prospaqei na apokrycei orismena stoixeia apo toys Ellhnes polites. E, ayto den qa to kanoyme. Oi Ellhnes polites prepei na einai plhrws kai poly kala plhroforhmenoi. Taytoxrona, o k. Alogoskoyfhs epanabebaiwse shmera, meta th synanthsh toy me ton Prwqypoyrgo, tis prwtoboylies tis opoies exoyme pei oti qa analabei h shmerinh kybernhsh apo to Septembrio kai meta, prokeimenoy na diasfalisoyme, opws eipe o k. Alogoskoyfhs, oti kai h anaptyjiakh dynamikh ths ellhnikhs oikonomias qa diathrhqei sto megisto dynato baqmo kai h ayjhsh ths apasxolhshs kai h kalh katastash poy exoyme anaforika me th meiwsh ths anergias ta teleytaia xronia. Eipe, epishs, oti qa antimetwpistei o plhqwrismos kai qa yparjei sthrijh twn koinwnikwn ekeinwn omadwn poy plhttontai perissotero apo th dieqnh oikonomikh krish. Ayta ola, loipon, poy exoyme pei, asfalws kai qa ta kanoyme prajh. Mesa se ena dieqnes oikonomiko periballon, to opoio - -epanalambanw gia mia akomh fora- - den einai kai to pio eynoiko.

KAKALHS: Giati oi prwtoboylies parapempontai to Septembrio kai oxi twra;

ANTWNAROS: Dioti, opws eipame kai alles fores kai apo ayth th qesh, alla kai dia stomatos twn armodiwn ypoyrgwn, oles aytes oi prwtoboylies prokeimenoy na apodwsoyn, xreiazontai thn aparaithth xronikh proetoimasia, thn aparaithth texnikh proetoimasia. Den arkei na anakoinwsei kapoios kati. Shmasia exei na anakoinwsei kati kai na to efarmosei etsi, wste na exei apotelesmata. Na exei apotelesmata gia to meso Ellhna polith kai kyriws gia ekeinoys oi opoioi qa wfelhqoyn oso to dynaton perissotero apo aytes tis prwtoboylies. Dhladh, toys xamhlomisqoys kai toys xamhlosyntajioyxoys.

IWANNOY: Eipe xqes o k. Meimarakhs oti ean to PASOK ejwqhsei ta pragmata pros thn kateyqynsh twn eklogwn h an kapoios boyleyths tolmhsei na rijei thn kybernhsh, tote h xwra qa mpei se peripeteia. Qa hqela na moy peite ean symmerizeste thn apoch toy. Kai to deytero, eipe oti se ayth thn periptwsh opoios analabei mia tetoia prwtoboylia, oysiastika qa analabei kai to kostos ths paragrafhs tyxwn adikhmatwn gia to skandalo ths Siemens. H kybernhsh blepei na apergazontai tetoia senaria kapoia kentra paragrafhs h anatrophs ths kybernhshs;

ANTWNAROS: Egw jerw oti to nohma twn oswn eipe o k. Meimarakhs einai safes. Eipe oti einai safes oti yparxei kybernhtikh staqerothta. Eipe oti h kybernhsh exei pleiochfia sth Boylh. Exei pleiochfia sth Boylh me thn opoia - - kai sas to ypenqymizw gia mia akomh fora - - yperchfisthkan ola anejairetws ta nomosxedia kai malista shmantika nomosxedia kai shmantikes metarryqmiseis, tis opoies efere pros chfish h kybernhsh sth Boylh. H kybernhsh - -prosqetw egw, alla eimai bebaios oti ayto einai kai to nohma twn oswn eipe o k. Meimarakhs- - prowqei akaqekta xwris ekptwseis to ergo ths kai tis nomoqetikes ths prwtoboylies. Tis metarryqmistikes ths prwtoboylies gia beltiwsh toy plaisioy mesa sto opoio zoyn kaqhmerina oloi oi Ellhnes polites. Kai oi allages aytes, aytes oi prwtoboylies einai kala gnwstes se oloys. Kyriws stoys Ellhnes polites apo thn epoxh prin apo thn teleytaia eklogikh anametrhsh toy perasmenoy Septembrioy. Kai akribws epeidh oi Ellhnes polites gnwrizan kai ejakoloyqoyn na gnwrizoyn aytes tis metarryqmistikes prwtoboylies, aytes tis proqeseis tis opoies eixe kai ejakoloyqei na exei to komma ths Neas Dhmokratias, aneqese jana h pleiochfia twn Ellhnwn politwn sthn kybernhsh thn eyqynh gia ta epomena tessera xronia.

MELIGKWNHS: Qa hqela to sxolio ths kybernhshs gia dyo synexomenes hmeres poy o k. Tsipras apokalei th diakommatikh epitroph poy proteinei o Prwqypoyrgos, ws diakommatikh ths plakas kai epishs qa hqela na rwthsw an yparxoyn skeceis gia thn katarghsh ths ypoxrewtikhs dhmosieyshs isologismwn stis efhmerides.

ANTWNAROS: Den prokeitai na sxoliasw tis topoqethseis kanenos politikoy arxhgoy. O kaqenas krinetai apo ton tropo me ton opoio topoqeteitai se shmantikes prwtoboylies. Kai h protash gia th systash ths diakommatikhs epitrophs, prokeimenoy na syzhthqoyn kai na diatypwqoyn protaseis gia sygkekrimena qemata, einai mia poly oysiastikh prwtoboylia. O kaqenas, loipon, steketai apenanti stis eyqynes toy. Gia to deytero qema den yparxei kati na sas pw.

KORAH: Akoysa me poly prosoxh prin poy legate gia thn eleyqeria ths ekfrashs poy anagnwrizete stoys boyleytes. Dhladh kai o k. Tatoylhs einai eleyqeros, na apodomei opws poly syxna kanei, thn kybernhtikh politikh, na amfisbhtei to metarryqmistiko profil toy Kwsta Karamanlh, na askei synexh kritikh gia apofaseis kai epiloges ths kybernhshs;

ANTWNAROS: Egw topoqethqhka genika. Kai topoqethqhka genika me enan tropo me ton opoio kai o k. Roysopoylos kai egw exoyme topoqethqei xwris parekkliseis olo ayto to diasthma poy exoyme thn eyqynh ths enhmerwshs twn dhmosiografwn. Den prokeitai na kanw kanena sxolio gia memonwmenes topoqethseis toy enos h toy alloy meloys ths Koinoboyleytikhs Omadas ths Neas Dhmokratias. Opws gnwrizete, allwste, den kanoyme kriseis kai den kanoyme sxolia gia topoqethseis kai melwn allwn Koinoboyleytikwn Omadwn. Sas lew omws kati aplo...

KORAH: Emeis sas rwtame gia th dikh sas Koinoboyleytikh Omada.

ANTWNAROS: Kai sas apanthsa. Oti den kanw sxolia. Sas eipe kai xqes o k. Roysopoylos oti ayth h eleyqeria ekfrashs twn boyleytwn einai kati poy to komma ths Neas Dhmokratias, xrhsimopoihse akribws ayth thn lejh, to antexei.

TSOYRAKHS: Eipate prohgoymenws oti ayth h kybernhsh, htan gnwstes oi proqeseis ths, kai chfisthke gia thn epomenh tetraetia. Ayto shmainei oti an kapoios apo toys boyleytes diafwnei, boyleyths ths Neas Dhmokratias, poy chfisthke me ayth thn protash, diafwnei me thn kybernhsh, opws symbainei me ton k. Tatoylh o opoios dhlwse oti den qa chfisei thn epomenh fora, den qa akoloyqhsei thn kommatikh peiqarxia, qa prepei na paraithqei;

ANTWNAROS: Egw ekana mia synolikh topoqethsh, ektenesterh apo ayth poy eseis moy apodwsate molis. Diabaste th, loipon, oloklhrh. Ektos toytoy, den qa apanthsw se ypoqetika erwthmata. Sas eipa: H shmerinh kybernhsh kai to komma ths Neas Dhmokratias diaqetei pleiochfia peran apo opoiadhpote amfisbhthsh sth shmerinh Boylh.

MELIGKWNHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, ep` aytoy: Den prokeitai wstoso gia ypoqetiko erwthma. O k. Tatoylhs proanhggeile ston ELEYQERO TYPO oti den qa janachfisei me bash thn kommatikh peiqarxia.

ANTWNAROS: Sas eipa oti den kanw kanena sxolio gia topoqethseis boyleytwn.

IWANNOY: Gia ton k. Koykodhmo exoyme kati neotero;

ANTWNAROS: Oxi.

IWANNOY: Epistrefei;

ANTWNAROS: Den exw kanena sxolio.

KORAH: Oyte ki emeis. Qelw na moy peite ean anhsyxei thn kybernhsh to gegonos oti h amerikanikh etaireia Ntempoboyaz, h opoia erxetai pali sthn Aqhna qa kanei kapoies akroaseis stelexwn oi opoies qa aforoyn akomh kai symbaseis poy exoyn xarakthristei aporrhtes, kaqws aforoyn epikoinwnies toy strateymatos, diaqesh logismikoy synakroasewn sthn EYP kai se thlepikoinwniakoys foreis klp, opws anaferei to dhmosieyma ths ELEYQEROTYPIAS.

ANTWNAROS: Rwthqhka molis prin apo ligo kai apanthsa.

KORAH: Den htan poly safhs h apanthsh kai gi` ayto to epanalambanw, kyrie Ekproswpe.

ANTWNAROS: Eimai bebaios oti oi idiwtes poy drasthriopoioyntai sth xwra asfalws kai sebontai toys nomoys ths xwras.

KORAH: Kai to deytero erwthma moy, na to kanw;

ANTWNAROS: Parakalw.

KORAH: Pws sxoliazete tis dhlwseis Milososki, ayta ta osa yposthrije kai ta opoia prokalesan malista thn orgh toy k. Qeodwroy Pagkaloy;

ANTWNAROS: Oi qeseis ths xwras mas, oson afora tis diapragmateyseis sto plaisio ths diadikasias toy Organismoy Hnwmenwn Eqnwn me th geitonikh xwra, einai gnwstes. Einai apolytws gnwstes. To plaisio de aytwn twn diapragmateysewn einai epishs prokaqorismeno. Anaferetai se ena kai sygkekrimeno qema: Sthn ejeyresh koina apodekths onomasias. Den exw na prosqesw tipote allo.

KORAH: Otan qetei qema triwn meionothtwn sthn Ellada o k. Milososki, ayto den problhmatizei thn kybernhsh;

ANTWNAROS: Ekeino to opoio exw na pw einai oti oi diapragmateyseis diejagontai me sygkekrimeno antikeimeno. Kai opoios prospaqhsei me opoiondhpote tropo na allajei ayto to antikeimeno h na dhmioyrghsei thn entypwsh oti kati allo syzhteitai, den qa exei kamia tyxh.

Sas eyxaristw.

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