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Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Deytera, 7 Ioylioy 2008

Ariqmos Deltioy: 146940164

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YPOYRGOS EPIKRATEIAS

Aqhna, 7 Ioylioy 2008

Xairete kai kalh ebdomada.

" O Prwqypoyrgos k. Kwstas Karamanlhs, shmera stis 20.00, qa apeyqynei xairetismo sthn ekdhlwsh aponomhs twn brabeiwn 2008 toy Emporikoy kai Biomhxanikoy Epimelhthrioy Aqhnwn, sto Megaro Moysikhs.

" Opws qymaste, thn Paraskeyh 27 Ioynioy, o Prwqypoyrgos milwntas sth Boylh, kalese ola ta kommata na symmetasxoyn se mia diakommatikh epitroph, prokeimenoy na ejetastoyn oi tropoi enisxyshs toy qesmikoy plaisioy poy problepei th xrhmatodothsh twn kommatwn. H prwtoboylia ayth deixnei thn apolyth synepeia ths Neas Dhmokratias sto eidikoy baroys qema ths diafaneias twn oikonomikwn twn kommatwn. Kai to lew ayto, kaqoson ta teleytaia sxedon tessera xronia, h Nea Dhmokratia ws kybernhsh, peran twn nomwn poy eishghqhke sth Boylh gia th diafaneia, eishghqhke mia seira allagwn sto Syntagma kai eidikotera sto arqro 29. Dystyxws, h eykairia ths Anaqewrhshs xaqhke, ejaitias ths gnwsths mikropolitikhs antidrashs ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs kai den katesth dynaton na prowqhqoyn ryqmiseis poy shmera oloi krinoyn aparaithtes.

Sthn epistolh poy esteile shmera o Prwqypoyrgos ston Proedro ths Boylhs, zhtei th systash diakommatikhs epitrophs. Sas diabazw thn epistolh:

``Kyrie Proedre, opws dhlwsa kata thn pro hmerhsias diatajews syzhthsh sth Boylh stis 27/6/2008, seira protasewn tis opoies kataqesame kata th diadikasia Anaqewrhshs toy Syntagmatos gia thn empedwsh ths diafaneias sto dhmosio tomea kai to dhmosio bio, idiws anaforika me th qwrakish twn kommatwn kai ton aysthrotero elegxo toy legomenoy ``politikoy xrhmatos'', den katesth dynaton na ginoyn syntagmatikh epitagh, logw ths arnhshs symprajhs ths antipoliteyshs. Wstoso, qa prepei na ejetastei h dynatothta orismena apo ta metra ayta na qespistoyn me nomoqetikh ryqmish. Einai malista shmera ejairetika epitaktika, wste afenos na empedwqei akomh perissotero h diafaneia kai afeteroy na doqei emprakth apanthsh se kaqe prospaqeia h opoia dhmioyrgei, polles fores akrita kai aforistika, skies se baros toy politikoy systhmatos sto synolo toy. Me bash ta parapanw, opws proanhggeila sthn idia synedriash ths Boylhs, sas zhtw na proxwrhsete, sto plaisio twn armodiothtwn sas, sth systash diakommatikhs epitrophs, h opoia na epejergastei ola ta anwterw zhthmata, na katartisei kai na ypobalei oloklhrwmenh protash nomoqetikhs prwtoboylias, kinoymenh, opws einai aytonohto, sta oria poy xarassei to Syntagma. Basiko antikeimeno ths diakommatikhs epitrophs proteinoyme na einai ta zhthmata poy aforoyn sthn eswterikh leitoyrgia twn kommatwn kai sygkekrimena sth diafaneia twn leitoyrgikwn kai eklogikwn dapanwn toys, me thn ypoxrewsh thrhshs sygkekrimenwn stoixeiwn kai apodeijewn, th xrhmatodothsh toys sto megalytero dynato meros apo ton kratiko Proypologismo, me thn parallhlh enisxysh twn kanonwn diafaneias gia toys poroys poy qa proerxontai apo thn idiwtikh symmetoxh, kaqws kai thn aysthropoihsh twn kyrwsewn gia toys parabates. Analoges ryqmiseis qewroyme oti prepei na problepontai kai gia toys boyleytes, kaqws kai toys ypochfioys boyleytes. Sto plaisio ths diakommatikhs epitrophs, einai aytonohto oti prepei na lhfqoyn ypoch protaseis poy exoyn ypoblhqei, kaqws epishs kai protaseis poy prokeitai na ypoblhqoyn apo ola ta kommata. Zhtoyme th symprajh olwn twn koinoboyleytikwn kommatwn, etsi wste na katalhjoyme apo koinoy stis prosforoteres ryqmiseis gia thn peraiterw qwrakish toy dhmosioy bioy kai toy dhmosioy tomea''.

Ayth einai h epistolh toy Prwqypoyrgoy ston Proedro ths Boylhs, me thn opoia zhtei na systaqei diakommatikh epitroph. Qelw na shmeiwsw oti qa htan xrhsimo, efoson ta kommata epiqymoyn na symmetasxoyn  elpizoyme kai h ajiwmatikh antipoliteysh, para thn arxikh ths arnhtikh antidrash pro oligwn hmerwn sth Boylh, telikws na symmetasxei- na arxisoyn thn epejergasia twn qesewn me epitropes toys h opws ayta krinoyn sto eswteriko toy to kaqena, etsi wste otan arxisei na synedriazei ayth h epitroph. Me thn enarjh dhladh ths Olomeleias ths Boylhs, meta apo peripoy dyo mhnes, na einai etoimes oi protaseis twn kommatwn, wste grhgora tote na odhghqoyme sth nomoqetikh ryqmish, h opoia qa kriqei aparaithth. Dhladh, na mhn paei xamenos o xronos twn dyo aytwn mhnwn toy kalokairioy, alla na ergastoyn ta kommata sto eswteriko toys, wste na kataqesoyn poly sygkekrimenes protaseis se ekeinh thn prwth synedriash ths diakommatikhs epitrophs.

" Menw sto qema ths diafaneias, me orismenes eidikoteres anafores sthn epimaxh ypoqesh twn hmerwn. Ginetai prospaqeia, opws eixa thn eykairia na tonisw kai pali  dystyxws thn eykairia, dioti den einai eyxaristh ayth h eykairia- dhmioyrgias entypwsewn eis baros ths Dikaiosynhs. Epishs, ginetai prospaqeia dhmioyrgias entypwsewn eis baros ths kybernhshs. Synocizw, gia na gnwrizoyme oloi, gia na qymomaste, tis energeies ths kybernhshs apo to 2006, otan jekinhse h ereyna ths ypoqeshs ews shmera:

Prwton, apo to Dekembrio toy 2006 arxise h xwra mas na parasxei dikastikh syndromh stis germanikes Arxes, amesws meta th lhch sxetikoy aithmatos sto Ypoyrgeio Dikaiosynhs.

Deyteron, o Prwqypoyrgos zhthse  sas diabasa prin apo ligo- systash diakommatikhs epitrophs.

Triton, sas eixa enhmerwsei thn perasmenh ebdomada pws yparxei hdh odhgia toy Ypoyrgeioy Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn pros thn Yphresia Eidikwn Elegxwn, na elegxqoyn tyxon forologikes parabaseis sth germanikh etaireia Siemens, efoson prokycoyn stoixeia apo thn ereyna ths Dikaiosynhs. To epanalambanw kai shmera, dioti molis 24 wres meta thn anakoinwsh ayth poy egine sto press-room, to zhthse o arxhgos toy PASOK wsan na mhn eixe kan parakoloyqhsei ta tektainomena. Epanalambanw epishs to aytonohto: Dhladh, o dikastikos leitoyrgos poy dienergei thn anakrish, efoson zhthsei eidiko elegxo apo thn YPEE, aytos qa ginei amesws. Ta syntetagmena organa ths Politeias einai ypoxrewmena na dieykolynoyn to ergo ths Dikaiosynhs.

Tetarton, ektos twn triwn prwtwn energeiwn, o Ypoyrgos Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn edwse entolh na systaqei eidiko synergeio, prokeimenoy na elegxqoyn oi anelegktes xrhseis ths germanikhs etaireias apo to 2003 ews shmera.

Pempton, edwse epishs entolh na systaqei allo eidiko synergeio, to opoio qa epanelegjei oles tis xrhseis ths etaireias apo to 1997 ews to 2003.

Ekton, h kybernhsh qa apeyqynqei sto Nomiko Symboylio toy Kratoys kai qa zhthsei thn ejetash toy zhthmatos poy afora th dikastikh prostasia toy ellhnikoy Dhmosioy kata ths etaireias Siemens.

Kleinontas krinw skopimo, na shmeiwsw ayto to opoio epanelaba kai pro oligwn hmerwn: Oi dioikhtikes energeies -peran twn energeiwn poy kanei h Dikaiosynh- tis opoies mporei na anaptyjei kai na ejantlhsei h xwra mas, ofeiloyn na kinoyntai sto plaisio toso toy eswterikoy Dikaioy oso kai toy koinotikoy kai dieqnoys Dikaioy.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

SPYRAKH: Kyrie Ekproswpe, an moy epitrepete, kat` arxhn, mia dieykrinistikh erwthsh se osa molis prohgoymenws eipate. Eipate oti qa systaqei eidikh omada poy qa proxwrhsei ston epanelegxo twn xrhsewn ths Siemens apo to 1997 ews to 2003. Qelw na rwthsw, an h kybernhsh exei endeijh oti kati apo tis xrhseis se aytes tis xronies einai problhmatiko, gia na proxwrhsei se mia tetoia kinhsh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Edw, exoyme dyo draseis: H mia einai systash eidikoy synergeioy gia tis anelegktes xrhseis -forologika yparxoyn kapoies xrhseis poy einai anelegktes kai aytes einai apo to 2003 kai meta, ews shmera- kai h deyterh einai allh omada, systash eidikoy synergeioy gia tis xrhseis poy exoyn elegxqei. Ayta, prokeimenoy na mhn yparxei h opoiadhpote amfibolia, apo kanenan, oti o politikos kosmos ths xwras qelei na elegjei se baqos thn ypoqesh kai na dwsei ta stoixeia ayta, eite sth Dikaiosynh, eite sth dhmosiothta, efoson prokycoyn stoixeia ta opoia na einai epibaryntika gi` aytes tis xrhseis.

SPYRAKH: Rwtw, giati xqes eixame dhmosieymata, symfwna me ta opoia yphrjan eforiakoi oi opoioi proxwrhsan se plhmmelh elegxo twn logistikwn ths etaireias kai hqela na rwthsw an h kybernhsh aytes tis kataggelies tis ejetazei, tis lambanei ypoch ths, se poia katastash brisketai ayto to qema.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Efoson systhnetai ayth h eidikh epitroph, antilambaneste oti qa elegjei oles tis xrhseis, ara logika kai tis xrhseis stis opoies anaferontai oi kataggelies poy eipate. Kai bebaiws, efoson prokycoyn kapoia stoixeia, qa lhfqoyn oi aparaithtes apofaseis, dhladh, an prepei na parapemfqoyn sth Dikaiosynh, h oti allo problepei o nomos, qa ginei.

XIWTHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, diabasa mia synenteyjh ths k. Ntoras Mpakogiannh sthn ELEYQEROTYPIA, poy anefere oti qewrei peistikes tis ejhghseis poy edwse o k. Liaphs. Diabazw shmera mia synenteyjh toy k. Petroy Tatoylh ston ELEYQERO TYPO, poy qewrei oti o k. Liaphs prepei na paraithqei. H kybernhsh, poia apo tis dyo apoceis yioqetei;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den qa sxoliasw oyte th mia, oyte thn allh apoch. Thn apoch ths kybernhshs th gnwrizete apo emena ton idio, ws Kybernhtikoy Ekproswpoy, edw kai para polles hmeres, afoy to syzhthsame polles fores sto press room kai hsastan parwn.

XIWTHS: Na to qesw kapws diaforetika. Otan enas kybernhtikos boyleyths zhta thn paraithsh enos ypoyrgoy, meta mporei h kybernhsh na memfetai to PASOK poy zhta to idio akribws pragma; Dioti, sas eida thn perasmenh ebdomada na epitiqesqe sto PASOK epeidh zhtoyse thn paraithsh toy ypoyrgoy. Shmera to zhtaei o kybernhtikos boyleyths. Aytos o kybernhtikos boyleyths brisketai akomh sthn kybernhsh, brisketai akomh sthn Koinoboyleytikh Omada ths Neas Dhmokratias;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Gnwrizw poly kala to ti exw pei sto press-room kai to gnwrizete kai eseis. Ara, loipon, den exw na prosqesw tipote perissotero se ayta ta opoia eipa thn perasmenh ebdomada, poy aforoyn to PASOK. Bazete ena allo qema kai ta syndyazete me enan tropo poy, eite dwsw th mia apanthsh, eite thn allh, qa bgalete qema. Den qa dwsw, omws kamia apanthsh, giati, epanalambanw oti exw hdh apanthsei.

XIWTHS: Dwste mas thn ejhghsh sas tote kyrie Ypoyrge.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi. Den eimai edw gia na dinw thn ejhghsh moy. Eimai edw gia na sas paroysiazw tis apoceis ths kybernhshs.

KORAH: To erwthma moy, loipon, afora thn kybernhsh. O k. Liaphs, se xqesinh toy dhlwsh eipe oti ton kathgorhsan kai gia mizes 700.000 eyrw -poy symfwna me dhmosieyma toy EQNOYS phgan ston OTE, thn periodo poy h Nea Dhmokratia htan sthn kybernhsh- gia kapoies sygkekrimenes symbaseis. O k. Liaphs sth dhlwsh toy den eipe oti den doqhke h miza. Eipe oti ``egw den eixa kamia sxesh giati tote'' kai afhse na ennohqei to poly kako klima poy yphrxe anamesa ston idio kai ton Dioikhth toy OTE k. Boyrloymh, ton opoio diorise h kybernhsh. Qa hqela ena sxolio sas gia to sygkekrimeno qema. O k. Liaphs den einai ypoyrgos ths kybernhshs; Doqhke h miza; H qesh thn opoia phre gia th miza eynoei thn kybernhsh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Epeidh gnwrizw poly kala ellhnika -kai fantazomai kai eseis- h frash otan ginetai poly sygkekrimenh me to arqro ``h'' h ``thn'' ofeilei na einai kai sygkekrimenh sthn kataggelia. Profanws, gnwrizete kati to opoio den gnwrizoyme oloi oi ypoloipoi. Egw, loipon, ekeino poy exw na pw einai oti oi symbaseis poy ypegrafhsan sth qhteia ayths ths kybernhshs, ypegrafhsan me bash to eqniko kai to koinotiko Dikaio. Ean yparxei to otidhpote, poy na diaferei apo ayta, qa eixe poly megalo endiaferon na to maqoyn oi Ellhnes polites -kai sas diabebaiw kai egw kai olh h kybernhsh efoson- exei symbei kati tetoio. To na dhmioyrgoyntai entypwseis me genikes kai aoristes anafores gia sygkekrimena pragmata, ta opoia omws pote den synebhsan h den eidame na symboyn, antilambaneste oti -an mh ti allo- den bohqa sth dialeykansh ayths ths ypoqeshs. Opoiodhpote stoixeio yparxei, perimenw na to dw sth dhmosiothta h perimenw na to dw sthn ereyna ths Dikaiosynhs, alla kai twn dioikhtikwn Arxwn. Giati, opws sas eipa, h ereyna epekteinetai kai se oles tis alles dioikhtikes Arxes poy mporei na exoyn dynatothta na elegjoyn me bash to nomo.

KORAH: Dhladh, na katalabw oti o k. Liaphs den exei thn idia bebaiothta me sas se o,ti afora ton OTE, an phgan h den phgan kapoies mizes;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den gnwrizw. Rwthste ton k. Liaph.

KORAH: Diabasa th dhlwsh toy.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Alla, nomizw oti kanete mia diastaltikh ermhneia ths eis atopon apagwghs. Dhladh, trabate para poly, ayto to opoio qa mporoyse na bgei dia ths eis atopon apagwghs. Ayto kanete.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Kyrie Ypoyrge, o k. Liaphs xreiasthke 10 hmeres gia na bgalei thn anakoinwsh poy ebgale xqes. Eikazw, fantazomai oti exei kanei kapoia ereyna gia na pei sthn anakoinwsh toy oti ejwqesmika kentra ton stoxopoihsan gia na ejyphrethsoyn dikoys toys sxediasmoys. Mhpws sas eipe gia na mas peite poioys ennoei;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Se o,ti afora thn oysia toy qematos: Nomizw oti einai gnwsto, exei anaferqei poia kentra einai ekeina ta opoia jekinhsan ayth thn ypoqesh, kai ennow thn ypoqesh proswpikhs epiqeshs kata toy Ypoyrgoy Politismoy. To gnwrizete, to exoyme pei kai edw sto press room, exei fanei kai sth Boylh klp. Se o,ti afora thn prwth parathrhsh, sto ``xreiasthkan 10 hmeres'' nomizw oti o k. Liaphs ekane kai prin apo liges hmeres kai allh dhlwsh. To jexasate;

ARMENHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, o k. Tatoylhs sthn oysia leei oti einai to idio pragma ena tajidi enos ypoyrgoy, toy sygkekrimenoy ypoyrgoy, me to ena ekatommyrio marka poy phgan sta tameia toy PASOK. Den sas enoxlei ayto; Den enoxlei thn kybernhsh; Poio einai to sxolio;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Kanena sxolio.

GKOYTZANHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, symfwna me ta stoixeia poy paroysiase xqes to PRWTO QEMA, o k. Liaphs htan sto liar tzet mazi me toys epixeirhmaties filoys toy. Einai ena stoixeio to opoio o k. Liaphs den to amfisbhthse, den to arnhqhke sth xqesinh toy dhlwsh. Ayto dhmioyrgei ena zhthma gia thn kybernhsh; Qa hqela na moy peite, yparxei diafora gia thn kybernhsh, anamesa sta liar tzet kai sta kotera;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Antistoixh anafora yphrxe kai se dhmosieyma allhs efhmeridas, pro oligwn hmerwn. Exoyn apanthqei ta qemata, den exw na prosqesw...

KORAH: Ths ELEYQEROTYPIAS.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ths ELEYQEROTYPIAS, opws symplhrwnei h k. Korah. Den exw na prosqesw tipote perissotero sta osa exw pei, otan rwthqhka apo thn k. Korah.

GALIATSATOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, me dedomeno oti eseis qewrhsate tis ejhghseis tis opoies edwse o k. Liaphs eparkeis  malista mas eipate oti epibebaiwse peritrana ayta poy elege- kai me dedomeno oti o k. Tatoylhs ermhneyei oti qa eprepe na paraithqei, qewreite oti yparxei ena problhma me ton Tatoylh sthn kybernhsh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Apanthsa prohgoymenws.

KAKALHS: Ayta poy anaferate sthn arxh, oi prwtoboylies ths kybernhshs, moy akoysthkan san katopin eorths kai spasmwdikes energeies. Dhladh, pisteyete apo olh ayth thn istoria, oti olh h ypoqesh einai oi anelegktes ypoqeseis ths Siemens; Pisteyete oti qa breite kapoio forologiko problhma me th Siemens; Ayto einai to politiko symperasma poy bgazete;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Dyo pragmata. Prwton: Oson fora to ``katopin eorths'', den symfwnw mazi sas, giati oytws h allws, gnwrizete poly kala oti h ypoqesh einai sthn ereyna. Kai malista, molis teleiwse h proanakrish. Ara, kaqoloy den teleiwse h ``giorth'', an milame gia ``giorth''. Exoyme mprosta mas para poly dromo. Qa perimenoyme kai th dikastikh ejetash klp.

KAKALHS: Diorqwtika porismata...

ROYSOPOYLOS: Deyteron: Egw ekeino poy sas eipa einai poies dioikhtikes energeies ginontai apo thn pleyra twn dioikhtikwn organwn ths Politeias. Triton: Ayto poy qelw na shmeiwsw -kai exei na kanei me to politiko xrhma en genei- einai oti katopin eorths erxontai kapoioi twra na kanoyn protaseis. Epi tessera xronia, ayth h kybernhsh, kalei tis politikes dynameis toy topoy na anaqewrhsoyme to arqroy 29 toy Syntagmatos. Epi tessera xronia, h kybernhsh milaei gia thn anagkh enisxyshs twn qesmwn diafaneias se o,ti afora to politiko xrhma, se o,ti afora thn oikonomikh diastash twn kommatwn. Epi tessera xronia, enw kaname poly sygkekrimenes protaseis sto Syntagma  kai tis gnwrizete giati typwqhkan kai se ena biblio ths Boylhs, sto opoio oi protaseis toy PASOK htan se leykh selida- hrnoynto na syzhthsoyn, toylaxiston to komma ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs kai alla mikrotera kommata. Ean eixame oloklhrwsei th Syntagmatikh Anaqewrhsh, to bebaion einai oti twra ayto poy qa syzhtoysame qa htan poso grhgora mporei na erqei enas nomos, poy qa epikyrwsei th Syntagmatikh Anaqewrhsh, dinontas tis leptomereies poy xreiazetai gia th diafaneia sta oikonomika twn kommatwn. Qelw na qymisw kati para poly shmantiko kata th dikh mas gnwmh: O elegxos twn oikonomikwn twn kommatwn kata th syntagmatikh Anaqewrhsh, symfwna me tis protaseis ths Neas Dhmokratias, proeblepe th symmetoxh toy Elegktikoy Synedrioy, enos anwtatoy dikasthrioy entelws anejarthtoy. Den synebh ayto. Kai den synebh, oxi me prwtoboylia ths Neas Dhmokratias. Dioti, qa htan ola ayta poy lete katopin eorths, ean den eixame edw kai tessera xronia syzhthsei para polles fores kai zhthsei th syndromh twn allwn kommatwn gia na allajoyme to Syntagma sto sygkekrimeno arqro. Qa moy peite, bebaiws, ayto qa allaze ta panta sth zwh mas; Einai bebaion oti qa proxwroyse tetoies diadikasies poy qa enisxyan kai to peri diafaneias aisqhma ston polith, alla kai thn kalyterh kai apotelesmatikoterh leitoyrgia toy elegxoy se o,ti afora ta oikonomika twn kommatwn.

KAKALHS: Moy epitrepete na kanw mia symplhrwmatikh erwthsh gia ta oikonomika twn kommatwn; Pisteyete oti to metro poy qa apotrecei th xrhmatodothsh twn kommatwn apo tis megales epixeirhseis einai ayto akribws, to Elegktiko Synedrio; Giati ap` to Elegktiko Synedrio pernane kai symbaseis kai diafora alla, ta opoia einai nomotypa kai kanonika. Ayto omws den apotrepei tis mizes.

ROYSOPOYLOS: H syntetagmenh Politeia ofeilei na ftiaxnei kanones, na toys enisxyei, na toys tropopoiei an blepei oti den leitoyrgoyn. Oi kanones , loipon, toys opoioys emeis proteinoyme -epipleon twn oswn pollwn kanonwn exoyn ginei ta teleytaia xronia gia th diafaneia- htan polloi sygkekrimenoi gia to Syntagma. Qa sas apanthsw me ton idio tropo poy apanthsa kai alles fores, se antistoixa erwthmata: Bebaiws kai to egklhma apagoreyetai apo arxaiotatwn xronwn, alla egklhmata yparxoyn.

MELIGKWNHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, sthn idia synenteyjh ston ELEYQERO TYPO, o k. Tatoylhs proeidopoiei, kata kapoion tropo, oti to xwrotajiko htan h teleytaia fora poy chfise basei kommatikhs peiqarxias. Ean kanei prajh ayth thn ``apeilh'' toy, qa teqei qema diagrafhs toy apo thn Koinoboyleytikh Omada;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Parapempw sthn apanthsh poy edwsa ston k. Armenh, thn opoia epishs parepemca se apanthsh poy edwsa ston k. Gkoytzanh k.o.k.

XIWTHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, katanow th strathgikh sas na mhn kanete kanena sxolio gi` ayta poy dhlwse o k. Tatoylhs.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sas eyxaristw. Fantazomai oti qa kanete erwthsh epi toy idioy qematos.

XIWTHS: Gia ton k. Tatoylh oxi. Moy einai adiaforo. Qelw omws na sas rwthsw to ejhs: Otan h kybernhsh diaqetei 151 boyleytes sth Boylh kai enas ej aytwn dhlwnei oti den qa anexqei jana kommatikh peiqarxia, h kybernhsh qewrei oti exei problhma sth Boylh h oxi;

ROYSOPOYLOS: H kybernhsh exei th dedhlwmenh ths Boylhs. Einai gnwsto ayto.

XIWTHS: Thn exei me toys 151 kyrie Ypoyrge, epitrecte moy na epimeinw, stoys opoioys perilambanetai...

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exete kapoia plhroforia;

XIWTHS: Gia poio pragma;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den gnwrizw. Ennoeite dhladh oti kapoios boyleyths qa anatrecei thn kybernhsh;

XIWTHS: Den einai qema plhroforias. Einai qema dhlwshs toy k. Tatoylh, shmera ston ELEYQERO TYPO. Leei oti sto xwrotajiko nomosxedio htan h teleytaia fora poy anexqhke kommatikh peiqarxia.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Kanena sxolio.

GKOYTZANHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, apo ayta ta metra poy eipate sthn arxh, epeidh den to katalaba kala, oso qa lambanontai h qa prowqoyntai, h Siemens qa synexisei na ``xtypa'' diagwnismoys kai na pairnei doyleies;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ekana mia anafora sto kleisimo moy kai htan epanalhch twn oswn eixa pei kai prin apo ligo kairo sthn aiqoysa toy press room. Yparxei mia sygxysh, gia paradeigma, anaferqhke se dhmosieymata, giati h tade xwra epebale ayto sth Siemens kai den to kanei kai h Ellada. Jexnoyn kapoioi oti h tade xwra den einai melos ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs, enw h xwra mas einai melos ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs. Epanalambanw oti ofeiloyme na kinhqoyme me plhrh sebasmo toso sto eswteriko Dikaio, oso kai sto koinotiko kai dieqnes Dikaio. Oi kanones antagwnismoy einai poly sygkekrimenoi. Ayto to opoio kanoyme einai oi dioikhtikes dynatothtes poy mas dinontai etsi wste na elegjoyme ta forologika (poy shmainei na elegjoyme an yphrje kai ``mayro xrhma'' h oxi kai se poia kateyqynsh) na elegjoyme ekeino to xroniko diasthma poy einai kai to epimaxo, alla kai to parelqon toy -giati apo tis anafores poy eginan kyriws apo ton k. Tsoykato nomizw kai to 1999 einai to epimaxo xroniko diasthma- kai na dwsoyme th dynatothta sth Boylh argotera, sth Dikaiosynh efoson breqoyn kapoia stoixeia, na mpoyn se akomh megalytero baqos se ayth thn ypoqesh. Dioikhtika, loipon, einai poly sygkekrimenes oi energeies poy mporei na kanei ...

GKOYTZANHS: Na to dieykrinisoyme tote, giati h kritikh poy dexqhke h kybernhsh htan giati den kalei th Siemens kai na ths pei oti gia mia pentaetia, aytos einai o xronos poy exei lexqei, den mporei na einai perissotero, den diakoptetai h dynatothta ths na symmetexei se diagwnismoys kai na pairnei doyleies sthn Ellada. Mas lete oti h ellhnikh kybernhsh den exei th dynatothta, me bash to nomiko plaisio, na to kanei ayto;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sas qymizw oti h ekth energeia ths kybernhshs poy anefera prohgoymenws  thn anefera teleytaia gia na sas meinei, alla fainetai oti den th qymhqhkate- einai oti qa apeyqynqei h kybernhsh sto Nomiko Symboylio toy Kratoys gia na doqei apanthsh se poio baqmo kai me poio tropo mporei to ellhniko kratos na zhthsei th dikastikh toy prostasia, enanti energeiwn poy tyxon eblacan th xwra mas. Ayto einai kati to opoio antilambaneste oti den lynetai apo th mia stigmh sthn allh. Den einai qemata ta opoia me poly eykolo kai grhgoro logo apantwntai. Einai peripeplegmena nomika zhthmata.

KALOGEROPOYLOY: Syggnwmh an pw blakeia, alla epeidh ta oikonomika den ta katalabainw...

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ta oikonomika h ta dikonomika;

KALOGEROPOYLOS: Ta oikonomika, afhste ta dikonomika ekei einai xeirotera. En pash periptwsei, qa elegxqei h Siemens forologika gia to ``mayro xrhma'';

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ginetai forologikos elegxos, dhladh einai dyo teleiws diaforetika pragmata: Prwton, exoyme tis palaioteres xrhseis poy exoyn hdh elegxqei mexri to 2003 kai deyteron, tis xrhseis apo to 2003 kai meta poy den exoyn elegxqei. Ayta einai dyo jexwrista pragmata apo dyo jexwristes Epitropes. Kai yparxei, opws eixa pei kai thn prohgoymenh ebdomada, h Yphresia Eidikwn Elegxwn (to prwhn SDOE, opws eixame synhqisei na to leme epi xronia), poy mporei na kanei ton elegxo ths. Efoson o dikasths poy kanei shmera thn anakrish zhthsei kati poly sygkekrimeno apo thn YPEE kai se diastayrwsh stoixeiwn, mporei na breqei kata poson yparxei diakinhsh ``mayroy xrhmatos''. Se ti baqmo, ayto den mporw na to apanthsw twra.

TSORAKHS: Apo o,ti katalabainw, epeidh yparxei qema forologiko opws eipate kai qa ginoyn dyo Epitropes, me to qema ths dwreas poy elabe o k. Tsoykatos, yparxei forologiko qema kai qa apotelesei antikeimeno ths prwths Epitrophs;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Nomizw oti den to katalabate. Sas eipa oti einai teleiws diaforetikos o forologikos elegxos kai teleiws diaforetikos o elegxos ths YPEE. Einai dyo diaforetikoi elegxoi. Einai zhthmata poy aforoyn ton tropo me ton opoio kinhqhke oikonomika h etaireia. Ayta ta zhthmata qa elegxqoyn apo tis armodies Epitropes, apo thn men YPEE to zhthma ayto poy sas anefera gia ta forologika kai an yparxei diakinhsh ``mayroy xrhmatos'', apo tis de dyo alles omades ergasias poy sygkrotoyntai, h mia exei na kanei me tis xrhseis ews to 2003 kai h allh apo to 2003 ews shmera.

SPYRAKH: Qelw na rwthsw kati gia thn oysia toy dhmosieymatos toy ``Eqnoys ths Kyriakhs'' poy aforoyse sth diakinhsh xrhmatwn ws promhqeia pros etaireies, otan o ellhnikos OTE eixe poly ychlo pososto ston Organismo Thlepikoinwniwn ths Armenias kai phre ekeinh th doyleia h Siemens. Eseis, apo thn plhroforhsh poy exete kai apo thn anagnwsh toy eggrafoy poy kanate, exete thn eikona oti aytes oi promhqeies poy doqhkan stis etaireies einai nomimes h poia einai h prwth eikona poy exei h kybernhsh; Giati sto sxetiko erwthma ths k. Korah, parapemcate ston k. Liaph kai den exw katalabei, h kybernhsh poia eikona exei gi` ayto to qema;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi. Eipa sthn k. Korah oti exei para poly megalo endiaferon kai gia oloys mas kai gia mena na breqei kata poso h kataggellomenh anafora poy yparxei sto dhmosieyma exei dosh alhqeias. Ayto einai apotelesma ereynas, h opoia hdh ginetai. Opws gnwrizete, h Dikaiosynh ereyna oles tis ypoqeseis. Opoiadhpote ypoqesh blepei, epipleon, to fws ths dhmosiothtas, ereynatai kai ayth, ean den exei hdh ereynhqei.

ARMENHS: To PASOK amfisbhtei ayto poy lete. Leei oti den xreiazetai eisaggelikh paraggelia gia na kanei elegxo h Yphresia Eidikwn Elegxwn.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Egw eipa oti o eisaggeleas eixe to dikaiwma sthn proanakrish, efoson qa ebriske kapoio stoixeio poy xreiazotan na paraggeilei elegxo apo thn YPEE, na to kanei. To idio exei kai o dikasths. Apo th stigmh poy exei oloklhrwqei mia diadikasia kai ayth einai ths proanakrishs, h YPEE  oytws h allws kai prin mporoyse apo monh ths na jekinhsei, exei shmasia omws na exoyn breqei kapoia stoixeia- mporei na kanei parallhla to diko ths elegxo. Den einai kati, dhladh, poy apagoreyetai apo kapoio nomo. Katalabate; Mporei h YPEE na jekinhsei ton elegxo ths, mporei na zhthsei o eisaggeleas kati poly sygkekrimeno. Egw ekeino poy sas anefera shmera  kai hqela na einai safes- einai oi kinhseis oi opoies mporoyn dioikhtika na ginoyn, aytes oi kinhseis dioikhtika, problepoyn kai ton elegxo apo thn YPEE.

ROYMELIWTH: To teleytaio diasthma kai me aformh th syzhthsh poy ginetai gia tis mizes sth Siemens, ginetai mia genikoterh syzhthsh gia to politiko xrhma. Yparxoyn fwnes poy den einai epishmes, poy lene ayto poy epishma o k. Berelhs eipe proxqes sth synenteyjh toy, oti einai gnwsto dhladh ston politiko kosmo, oti ta kommata kai ta kommatika tameia me ayto ton tropo gemizan. Exete sxolio;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Rwthste ton k. Berelh na sas pei perissotera, an kai nomizw oti ton prolabe o k. Tsoykatos.

KORAH: Milhsate gia sebasmo sto eswteriko bebaiws kai sto eyrwpaiko Dikaio kai stoys kanones antagwnismoys, epishs, toy eyrwpaikoy Dikaioy. Otan edw exoyme mia etaireia, mia germanikh etaireia, th Siemens, h opoia monh ths bgainei kai dhlwnei oti ``diakinoysa mesa apo ta tameia moy politiko xrhma, malista brwmiko politiko xrhma, alla kai genika edina mizes''. Ti allo perimenei h ellhnikh kybernhsh gia na kanei prosfygh; Hdh, ayth h etaireia den exei parabiasei prwth toys kanones antagwnismoy, dioti...

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den jerw ti ennoeite legontas``prosfygh'', alla sas epanalambanw oti einai synqeta nomika zhthmata, ta opoia den lynontai me enan eykolo kai aplo tropo. Dioti, egw qa fygw twra apo thn ypoqesh ayth, gia na dwsw ena allo paradeigma, kai parakalw poly na mhn parejhghqei. To lew gia na katanohsoyme oloi: Parakoloyqhsate, se ena megalo pososto, polloi apo esas, thn ypoqesh ``basikos metoxos''. Sas qymizw oti h arxikh skech htan oti den mporei na einai kapoios se mia etaireia dhmosiwn promhqeiwn kai se mia etaireia Meswn Enhmerwshs h Epikoinwnias. Erxetai, loipon, h Eyrwpaikh Enwsh dia ths Komision kai leei oti ayto einai aparadekto, den mporei na to dexqoyme, dioti qa prepei na apodeixqei oti askhqhke aqemith epirroh. Kai malista, otan leei ``na apodeixqei'' den ennoei na to kataggeilei kapoios genikws h kai eidikws, alla na lhfqei dikastikh apofash kai malista oxi se prwto baqmo, alla na telesidikhsei. Antilambaneste, loipon, poso synqeto mporei na einai ena zhthma, opws ayto poy syzhtate, bazontas kat` analogia to myalo mas na skefqei th mia kai thn allh ypoqesh. Den eimai se qesh na sas pw perissoteres leptomereies epi twn nomikwn zhthmatwn, allwste den eimai kai eidhmwn ep` aytwn. Alla, ekrina skopimo na kanw, gia deyterh fora, ayth thn anafora sto press room, giati akoygontai poly eykola diafores protaseis, oi opoies genikeyoyn. Den bohqoyn sthn ejeidikeysh, dhmioyrgoyn entypwseis. Kai h entypwsh poy dhmioyrgeitai einai oti yparxei mia oligwria apo thn pleyra toy kratoys h ths kybernhshs, dioti qa eprepe na proxwrhsei afoy exei ena stoixeio na kanei ayto h na kanei to allo. Kai epanalambanw: Mporei endexomenws mia xwra, h opoia den einai melos ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs, na exei th dynatothta na kanei kapoia tetoia pragmata. H dikh mas xwra, loipon, poy exei syntetagmeno nomiko Dikaio, mazi me tis ypoloipes ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs, akoloyqei kapoioys kanones. Den mporw na sas apanthsw plhrws sto nomiko erwthma. Allwste, an mporoysa na sas to apanthsw, den qa xreiazotan na ypoblhqei sxetiko erwthma sto Nomiko Symboylio toy Kratoys.

KORAH: Pote ypoblhqhke ayto to erwthma;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ayto to erwthma qa ypoblhqei twra, gia na sas pw mexri poioy shmeioy mporei na fqasei h nomikh yperaspish toy kratoys se ypoqeseis poy exoyn na kanoyn me th sygkekrimenh etaireia.

MELIGKWNHS: H kybernhsh ws genikh arxh symfwnei me th dhlwsh toy k. Tatoylh oti h kommatikh peiqarxia einai ektos kaqe logikhs prohgmenhs xwras;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sas apanthsa prohgoymenws.

GALIATSATOS: Se periptwsh, loipon, poy ayth h ekth energeia katalhjei dikastika kai tekmhriwsei oti edw exoyme mia apistia se baros toy Dhmosioy apo ayth thn epixeirhsh k.t.l...

ROYSOPOYLOS: Syggnwmh, oxi dikastika...

GALIATSATOS: ... katalhjei nomika, ginei olh ayth h diadikasia kai katalhjei. Oti edw exoyme...

ROYSOPOYLOS: Edw exoyme na kanoyme me aithma poy qa zhta th dikastikh prostasia toy ellhnikoy Dhmosioy apo energeies ths sygkekrimenhs etaireias.

GALIATSATOS: Wraia. Se periptwsh, loipon, poy katalhjei kai sas pei oti exoyme to dikaiwma...

ROYSOPOYLOS: Me sygxwreite poy sas diakoptw, to Nomiko Symboylio toy Kratoys einai ayto poy leei: Einai o Nomikos Symboylos toy Kratoys. Se mia synqeth nomikh ypoqesh qa prepei na mas dwsei kapoies prwtes skeceis.

GALIATSATOS: Se periptwsh, loipon, poy to Nomiko Symboylio toy Kratoys sas dwsei prasino fws kai sas pei oti mporoyme na kinhqoyme kata ayths ths etaireias kai na diekdikhsoyme pisw to poso twn 100.000.000 eyrw, leme twra, to eikazoyme, mizes gia apistia se baros toy Dhmosioy (den akoygetai) yparxei h politikh boylhsh na ginei ayto;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Efoson eipwqei etsi opws to lete, oti se ayth kai se ayth thn periptwsh mporei na proxwrhsei to ellhniko Dhmosio, fysika den xreiazetai kan syzhthsh.

GKOYTZANHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, nomizw oti to Febroyario toy 2008 o Proedros toy PASOK sas eixe proteinei apo bhmatos Boylhs na kanete kapoies energeies enantion ths Siemens, den jerw an eishgeitai ta idia metra poy lete eseis h kapoia diaforetika. Giati den kinhqhkate apo tote kai afhsate ayto to diasthma na perasei;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Kat` arxas, den eixe eishghqei o Proedros toy PASOK kanena apo ayta ta metra. To mono poy eishghqhke einai to metro poy afora thn YPEE kai ayto meta apo 24 wres, afoy to eixame pei emeis sto press room. Deyteron, o Proedros toy PASOK, ta mona epipleon poy eishghqhke htan prin apo liges hmeres, sth Boylh, na syzhthsoyme gia th diaxeirish toy politikoy xrhmatos, gia to politiko xrhma, gia thn oikonomikh diaxeirish twn kommatwn k.o.k. Kai epanalambanw oti an pragmatika ennooyse ayta ta opoia eipe, den qa erxotan ek twn ysterwn -kai afoy liges hmeres prin eixe katachfisei sto Syntagma- na zhthsei pragmata poy me mia dikh toy chfo qa eixan perasei sto Syntagma kai qa eixan ginei katastatikos xarths ths xwras. Ayth einai h aplh apanthsh. Kai nomizw oti aples apories mporei na ekfrasei kapoios gia ton Proedro toy PASOK kai kata poso ayta ta opoia leei, ta ennoei.

KAKALHS: H kybernhsh exei khryjei lhjan to qema me to tajidi toy k. Liaph. Wstoso, qa paradexqeite oti exei ypostei plhgmata h ajiopistia ths, afoy arxika elege oti ola htan fhmes kai den apantoyse, sth synexeia egine to tajidi, alla htan idiwtiko kai plhrwqhke apo ton ypoyrgo, sth synexeia apodeixqhke oti htan mia parea toy ypoyrgoy me promhqeytes kai antagwnistes toy Dhmosioy. Giati na sas pistecei o ellhnikos laos meta apo ola ayta;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa hqela na diabasete jana ta osa sas exw pei sto press room kai na to janasyzhthsoyme ayrio, ean egw sas paraplanhsa sto otidhpote. Qewrw oti ...

KAKALHS: Den eipa oti me paraplanhsate, eipa oti afhsate na ennohqei oti ola einai fhmes kai den apantate.

ROYSOPOYLOS: ... h kathgoria poy apeyqynate einai mia kathgoria poy den afora ton Kybernhtiko Ekproswpo kai thn kybernhsh kai den afora kai ton ypoyrgo Politismoy. Exw pei, polles fores, oti diafores fhmes kykloforoyn. Epitrecte moy na exw mia poly sygkekrimenh antimetwpish stis fhmes `eite aforoyn ton ypoyrgo Politismoy, eite aforoyn emena ton idio, eite aforoyn genikotera thn kybernhsh.

KAKALHS: Me sygxwreite, den einai cema oti sthn arxh den dexosaste oti kanate otidhpote, kanena tajidi kai meta...

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa sas parakalesw na moy ferete ta stoixeia, ta opoia apodeiknyoyn ayta poy lete eseis.

PALAIOLOGOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, sas akoysa kala kai eipate, se erwthsh poy egine apo synadelfo, oti einai gnwsto apo poia kentra ginontai oi epiqeseis to teleytaio diasthma enantion toy ypoyrgoy k. Liaph. Wstoso, omws, o k. Liaphs yponohse, giati exw edw th dhlwsh poy ekane xqes, gia afanh kentra kai gia afaneis epidiwjeis. Gi` ayta, omws, den milhse oyte o idios anoikta, oyte eseis. Poia einai ayta ta afanh kentra poy leei, poy krybontai pisw apo ayth thn epiqesh kai poia einai ta alla sxedia poy leei pws apergazontai gia na ejyphrethsoyn ta symferonta toys;

ROYSOPOYLOS: To poia politika kentra afanws sthn arxh  to eipa dyo-treis fores sto press room- prospaqhsan na dhmioyrghsoyn entypwseis gyrw apo ayth thn ypoqesh, to gnwrizete para poly kala.

PALAIOLOGOS: Ayta ta afanh dhladh, ta opoia ta gnwrizoyme oloi, poia einai;

ROYSOPOYLOS: An diabasete ta osa sas eipa tis teleytaies hmeres sto press room, qa diapistwsete oti exw apanthsei sto erwthma sas.

PALAIOLOGOS: Ma, eseis milate gia politiko arxhgo. O k. Liaphs milaei gia afanh kentra.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Afanws eipa oti to ekanan. Kai to epanelaba dyo fores, oti to ekanan afanws, sthn aiqoysa twn dhmosiografwn sth Boylh. Twra mhn kanete oti den to gnwrizete.

PALAIOLOGOS: Oxi, den einai ayto. Egw lew oti o k. Liaphs, erxetai kai kanei ena bhma parapera.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Kalws. Den exw na pw tipota perissotero.

PALAIOLOGOS: Milaei gia alla sxedia poy apergazontai kapoioi gia na ejyphrethsoyn ta symferonta toys. Den nomizw na einai to idio proswpo to opoio eseis ypainixqhkate oles aytes tis meres sto press room.

ROYSOPOYLOS: O,ti eixa na pw, to eipa.

MELIGKWNHS: Erwthqeis o k. Tatoylhs, an problhmatisthke apo thn eikona ths kybernhshs kai toy Ypoyrgoy Politismoy gia tis teleytaies hmeres, parapempei se esas legontas na rwthsoyme esas giati eiste ypeyqynos gia thn eikona ths kybernhshs. Opote mia kai parapempei se esas, eseis problhmatisthkate gia thn eikona poy paroysiase h kybernhsh kai o Ypoyrgos Politismoy;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exei apanthqei kai ayto to erwthma.

GKOYTZANHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, prin apo merika xronia, otan h Nea Dhmokratia htan sthn antipoliteysh, eixe ginei meizon qema me tis boltes poy ekanan h den ekanan kai telika den apodeixqhkan kapoiwn stelexwn ths tote kybernhshs me kotera. Qymamai tote kai to komma sas kai kyriws polla stelexh toy, to eixan anagagei se meizon politiko zhthma klp. Ti diafora exei me to twrino qema kai me thn parea toy k. Liaph me toys epixeirhmaties;

ROYSOPOYLOS: H anafora sas egine kai prohgoymenws kai nomisate oti den sas apanthsa. Kai thn perasmenh ebdomada egine sxetikh erwthsh kai sas apanthsa.

GKOYTZANHS: Na krathsw oti den apantate, den me enoxlei.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi. Exw apanthsei poly sygkekrimena. Dioti exoyme mia seira apo fhmes, oi opoies h mia meta thn allh katerrean. Pws sxetizetai h sysxetizetai mia ypoqesh me mia allh; Kamia sxesh h mia me thn allh.

KAKALHS: Mporeite na mas peite ti ennoei o k. Liaphs otan leei oti aisqanetai san na metaferei tis amarties oloy toy kosmoy; Ennoei oti aisqanetai oti metaferei tis mizes oloy toy politikoy kosmoy;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Kanena allo sxolio.

Sas eyxaristw.

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