Greek Government Press Briefing, 08-06-30

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Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Deytera, 30 Ioynioy 2008

Ariqmos Deltioy: 145658200

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YPOYRGOS EPIKRATEIAS

Aqhna, 30 Ioynioy 2008

Xairete kai kalh ebdomada.

Ayrio, stis 11.00 to prwi, qa synedriasei h Kybernhtikh Epitroph, me qemata toy Ypoyrgeioy Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn. Stis 12.45, o Prwqypoyrgos k. Kwstas Karamanlhs qa exei synanthsh, sto Megaro Majimoy, me ton Ypoyrgo Amynas kai prwhn Prwqypoyrgo toy Israhl k. Exoynt Mparak kai stis 13.45 qa synanthqei, sto Megaro Majimoy, me ton Proedro ths Palaistiniakhs Arxhs k. Maxmoyt Ampas.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

ROYMELIWTHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, o k. Manwlhs milwntas sta ``NEA'', isxyristhke oti tiqetai qema hqikhs kai politikhs tajhs gia ton k. Kyriako Mhtsotakh kai oti h bash ths paratajhs apaitei th diagrafh oswn exoyn emplokh me thn ypoqesh ths Siemens.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Isxyoyn osa exw pei sto parelqon gi` ayth thn ypoqesh.

KORAH: Kyrie Ypoyrge, symfwna me shmerino dhmosieyma ths ``ELEYQEROTYPIAS'', ypoyrgos ths kybernhshs, sto diasthma 16/6/2005 mexri 20/6/2005, tajidece se Monaxo, Frankfoyrth, Goyestin Leicias kai Saltsmpoyrgk, me ton k. Xristoforako kai me allh parea, opws toylaxiston isxyristhke h grammateas toy k. Xristoforakoy ston Eisaggelea k. Aqanasioy. Exei kanei kapoia ereyna h kybernhsh gia na dei an yphrxe enas tetoios ypoyrgos kai poios einai;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den yparxei tetoio qema. Oi fhmes isopedwnoyn toys pantes kai en pash periptwsei, den protiqemai na apantw kaqe fora se diafores fhmes. Opoios exei opoiodhpote sygkekrimeno stoixeio, mporei na to kataqesei dhmosia, enwpion ths Dikaiosynhs, enwpion toy ellhnikoy laoy. Ean menoyn oi fhmes h an katagrafontai mono oi fhmes -kai den ennow oti katagrafontai erhmhn twn opoiwn kataqesewn- giati ontws mporei na exei ginei ayth h kataqesh thn opoia anaferei h efhmerida -egw den amfisbhtw thn kataqesh- alla einai toso aoristo ayto to opoio katatiqetai, toso afhrhmeno kai toso isopedwtiko gia thn politikh zwh toy topoy, poy den eimai diateqeimenos na prosferw egw perissotero sth fhmologia, sxoliazontas to. Ayto poy exw na pw, loipon, jekaqara einai oti den sxoliazw fhmes. Ekeino poy zhtw einai: Opoios exei sygkekrimena stoixeia, na ta dwsei sth dhmosiothta h stis dikastikes Arxes.

KAKALHS: Pws ejhgei h kybernhsh to gegonos oti h Dikaiosynh, me epanalambanomenes dhmosies topoqethseis, speydei na prodikasei oti den yparxei anamijh prwhn kai nyn ypoyrgwn se ayth thn istoria, th stigmh poy oi endeijeis sygklinoyn pros antiqeth kateyqynsh; Ayto to stoixeio nomizete oti einai yper ths anejarthsias ths Dikaiosynhs;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Isxyei ayto to opoio eipa sthn k. Korah.

KAKALHS: Allo pragma rwthsa. Gia th Dikaiosynh rwthsa.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Milhsate gia endeijeis. Den gnwrizw se poies endeijeis anafereste. Exete kati sygkekrimeno na moy peite; Ean exete kati sygkekrimeno na peite, na to sxoliasw, poly eyxaristws. Egw den apajiwnw th Dikaiosynh, den to ekana pote, eite ws ekproswpos ths antipoliteyshs, eite sxedon ston pempto xrono pia, ws ekproswpos ths kybernhshs. Qewrw oti einai ypoxrewsh olwn mas na sebomaste thn anejarthth leitoyrgia ths Dikaiosynhs kai na mhn mpainoyme, kata periptwsh, se sxolia ta opoia einai apajiwtika gia th Dikaiosynh. Den to epraja se kamia periptwsh kai den protiqemai na to prajw.

ARMENHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, anejarthta me to ti qa kanei h Dikaiosynh, h opoia leitoyrgei anejarthta, einai anejarthth, den ektimate oti meta apo osa dhlwse o k. Tsoykatos, qa prepei na klhqei gia kataqesh o prwhn Prwqypoyrgos k. Shmiths;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den mporw na emplakw sthn ypoqesh ths Dikaiosynhs. Sas epanalambanw: Qewrw oti h diadikasia ths Dikaiosynhs einai anejarthth kai kata synepeia, den prokeitai na apanthsw se kanena sxetiko erwthma.

XIWTHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, skopeyei h kybernhsh mesw ths Boylhs na energopoihsei th diadikasia elegxoy ths xrhmatodothshs twn kommatwn; Proseja oti o k. Tsoykatos tonise to Sabbato oti yphrje mia parabash ths eklogikhs nomoqesias peri xrhmatodothshs twn kommatwn. Skopeyete na kinhsete th diadikasia etsi wste na yparjoyn oi analoges kyrwseis pros to komma ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Prwton, gia ta qemata poy aforoyn th Boylh, qa prepei na erwtatai h Boylh. Deyteron, ws poly pio sygkekrimenh apanthsh, qa sas dwsw thn apanthsh poy edwse o Prwqypoyrgos, thn Paraskeyh, sthn pro hmerhsias diatajews syzhthsh poy egine sth Boylh. Eipe, loipon, o Prwqypoyrgos oti otan oloklhrwqei to ergo ths anakrishs ths Dikaiosynhs, tote qa systaqei h Ejetastikh Epitroph kai ekei, bebaiws, qa syzhthqoyn kai qa ereynhqoyn ola ta qemata.

PALAIOLOGOS: Qa moy epitrecete na epanelqw k. Ypoyrge, sto erwthma poy ekane h synadelfos k. Korah. Sthn apanthsh sas, eipate oti den yparxei kanena tetoio qema. Kai egw anarwtiemai, an qelete na to prosdiorisete, an yparxei qema emplokhs sygkekrimenoy ypoyrgoy poy syntajideyse me ton k. Xristoforako h den yparxei genikotera qema gia thn kybernhsh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den moy prokyptei emena kai den prokyptei sthn kybernhsh na einai yparkto ena tetoio qema. Dhladh, kapoios ypoyrgos na tajidece me ejoda kapoias etaireias, ths sygkekrimenhs etaireias poy anaferetai. Gi` ayto kai eipa oti den protiqemai na sxoliasw fhmes. Opoios exei na pei kati sygkekrimeno, na to pei -sth dhmosia sfaira zoyme oloi- oytws wste na mporei na antimetwpistei.

XIWTHS: Ayto poy sas rwthsa afora mia diadikasia diakommatikhs Epitrophs sthn opoia symmetexei h Nea Dhmokratia. O elegxos twn oikonomikwn twn kommatwn pragmatopoieitai apo mia diakommatikh Epitroph ths Boylhs pragmati gia thn opoia, omws, kapoio komma qa prepei na analabei prwtoboylia gia na energopoihqei. Dioti, o taktikos elegxos exei hdh dienerghqei kai den brhke tipota.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Se o,ti afora th diadikasia poy akoloyqei h Boylh, th gnwrizoyme oloi mas. Th gnwrizete kai eseis, giati exete xronia yphrethsei sto koinoboyleytiko reportaz. Ara, loipon, isxyei h apanthsh poy sas edwsa. Qelw na prosqesw monon oti thn Paraskeyh o Prwqypoyrgos zhthse apo ola ta kommata na symmetasxoyn se mia diakommatikh Epitroph, h opoia qa mporesei na ektimhsei an xreiazetai na aysthropoihqei kai se poia kateyqynsh, to plaisio poy isxyei gia ta oikonomika twn kommatwn.

KAKALHS: Sth bash toy symperasmatos poy exete bgalei oti den prokyptei kati gia toys ypoyrgoys ths kybernhshs, exete dwsei taytoxrona kai to prasino fws na proxwrhsoyn se agwges se diafora mesa poy anaparagoyn diafores fhmologies;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ena stelexos ths kybernhshs, opws kai ena melos ths Boylhs, exei thn aytonomia twn kinhsewn, efoson qewrei oti qigetai h ajioprepeia toy, qigetai h politikh toy stadiodromia. Den yparxei prasino h mple h kokkino h kitrino fws se aytes tis periptwseis. Kaqenas xeirizetai ta pragmata me ton tropo poy qewrei oti yperaspizetai thn timh kai thn ypolhch toy. Dhladh, mporei na kanei xrhsh twn nomwn mias syntetagmenhs Politeias.

ROYMELIWTHS: Me aformh ena eirwniko reportaz poy yphrxe se galliko kanali, gnwrizoyme ti poso exei diateqei apo thn Epitroph toy k. Molybiath gia toys pyroplhktoys; Ti poso apomenei kai pote qa to paroyn oloklhro;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ayrio, qa sas dwsw sygkekrimenes apanthseis.

KORAH: Prin apo ligo, katadikasate tis fhmologies kai nomizw oti tis katadikazoyme kai oloi. Qa kaloysate posa stelexh eite anhkoyn sto PASOK, eite anhkoyn sth Nea Dhmokratia kai exoyn mia emplokh me to sygkekrimeno skandalo toy ``mayroy xrhmatos'' ths Siemens, na bgoyn apo monoi toys kai na to poyn; Dioti etsi poy den ginetai ayto to pragma, oi skies planwntai panw apo olo to politiko systhma.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exoyme hdh ena stelexos toy PASOK h prwhn stelexos toy PASOK, to opoio edwse poly sygkekrimena stoixeia sth dhmosiothta kai fantazomai kai sth Dikaiosynh. Den gnwrizw ti eipe sth Dikaiosynh, alla toylaxiston -epeidh yphrjan ekteneis dhlwseis kai apo to stelexos ayto kai apo to dikhgoro toy- gnwrizoyme oloi ti peripoy exei pei sth Dikaiosynh. Apo thn allh pleyra, exoyme ena orgio fhmwn. Se ayto to orgio fhmwn, to opoio peftei epi dikaiwn kai adikwn, den protiqemai na symmetasxw, oyte egw, oyte h kybernhsh. Qewrw, loipon, oti opoios metexei se ayth th diadikasia, aplws isopedwnei to politiko skhniko. Isopedwnei ajioprepeies kai syneidhseis. Dhmioyrgei ena klima anhsyxias, ena klima apajiwshs ths politikhs zwhs se oloys toys Ellhnes polites. Me fhmes, omws, opws gnwrizete, den ginetai sobarh politikh, oyte kai sobarh dhmosiografia. Ean yparxei kapoio sygkekrimeno stoixeio, ayto to sygkekrimeno stoixeio, bebaiws -enwpion sas eimai kaqhmerinws- mporw na to sxoliasw. Afhrhmena, genikothtes, xwris onomata, xwris kati pio sygkekrimeno, antilambaneste oti den mporw na to sxoliasw, alla kai den prepei.

KAKALHS: Ayto to klima apajias sto opoio anaferqhkate twra, einai hdh paron; Eidate oti to 80% ths koinhs gnwmhs problepei oti qa koykoylwqei h ypoqesh ths Siemens. Diakrinete oti yparxei kapoio problhma se sxesh me thn ajiopistia ths kybernhshs kai toy idioy toy Prwqypoyrgoy poy diabebaiwnei oti qa symbei to antiqeto;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qewrw pws sto prwto skelos ths erwthshs sas, oti dhladh ena klima apajias einai ontws paron, einai etsi opws to lete. Den qewrw oti qa koykoylwqei h ypoqesh. Kai en pash periptwsei, se kamia tetoia periptwsh den protiqetai na symmetasxei h kybernhsh h h Nea Dhmokratia ws paratajh. Den to epraje sto parelqon kai den qa to prajei sto paron kai to mellon.

PALAIOLOGOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, wstoso omws, epeidh milate gia fhmes kai einai swsto apo thn pleyra sas na lete oti den mpainete se ayto to klima apajiwshs, wstoso omws aytes oi fhmes poy anaparagontai apo ta MME proerxontai apo sygkekrimenes kataqeseis. Dhladh, h anafora ston mh onomatizomeno ypoyrgo den ginetai mono apo toys dhmosiografoys, oyte genikotera. Ginetai apo mia sygkekrimenh kataqesh ths k. Tsakaloy, an qymamai to onoma, ths grammatews toy k. Xristoforakoy, h opoia bebaiws den qelhse na pei onoma; Den rwthqhke poio einai to onoma toy ypoyrgoy; Qa mporoyse kallista, an den yphrxe ayth h sygkekrimenh kataqesh, den qa yphrxe kai kanenas logos na ginetai koybenta gia to poios einai o ypoyrgos, an egine ayto to tajidi, an symmeteixe o ypoyrgos. Qelw na pw oti oi fhmes exoyn sygkekrimenh phgh kai einai oi kataqeseis ths grammatews toy k. Xristoforakoy.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Nomizw oti den lete tipota diaforetiko apo ayto poy eipa, apantwntas sthn k. Korah...

PALAIOLOGOS: Nai, alla epeidh lete...

ROYSOPOYLOS: Afhste me na teleiwsw, parakalw. Qa prosejate  kai diabaste to briefing, otan ekdoqei, to opoio den allazetai kata keraia- oti ekana eidikh anafora sto oti den qewrw pws h fhmologia ayth gennietai aoristws apo dhmosiografika grafeia. To eipa sthn arxh ths syzhthshs moy. Sas qymizw, omws, oti thn perasmenh ebdomada yphrje mia fhmologia, h opoia efqase se shmeio kataqeshs, me ton idio pompwdh tropo poy apetyxe, sth Boylh enos eggrafoy, enos eisithrioy, apo arxhgo politikoy kommatos. Kai oso pompwdws eixe proanaggelqei epi meres, toso pompwdws kai katerreyse.

KAKALHS: Mporeite na mas peite ti sas ekane na allajete gnwmh kai na tropopoihsete thn yparxoysa tropologia gia tis dhmoskophseis mesa se ena xrono; Den anteje ena xrono zwhs; Dhladh, mhpws apetyxe san tropologia stis prohgoymenes ekloges kai mas fernete twra thn allh poy epitrepei tis dhmoskophseis mexri thn paramonh twn isxyontwn eklogwn;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oson afora th sygkekrimenh nomoqetikh prwtoboylia, qa qymaste isws, oti htan aithma apo pollwn etwn, olwn twn kommatwn ths Boylhs. Kai isws qa qymaste oti perysi to kalokairi, ws armodios Ypoyrgos, eishghqhka  afoy prohgoymenws eixa syzhthsei to qema dia makron me thn armodia Epitroph Qesmwn kai Diafaneias ths Boylhs- ena nomosxedio to opoio kai yperchfisthke sth Boylh. Tote, eixan akoystei sthn Epitroph Qesmwn kai Diafaneias, alla kai sthn Epitroph kai sthn Olomeleia ths Boylhs, diaforetikes apoceis ws pros to xroniko diasthma poy qa prepei na epitrepetai h dhmosieysh twn dhmoskophsewn kata thn proeklogikh periodo, dhladh pro twn eklogwn. Arxikws, eixa yposthrijei thn apoch oti etsi opws kinoyntai shmera, ston sygxrono bio ta pragmata, dhladh, etsi opws leitoyrgoyn ta Mesa Enhmerwshs, h eyrythta twn Meswn  kai milame kai gia ta hlektronika Mesa, thleorash, radiofwno, alla kai en synexeia to Internet k.o.k.- einai isws oytopiko na pisteyei kapoios oti den qa dhmosiopoioyntai dhmoskophseis me ton A h ton B tropo, ews kai thn teleytaia hmera ths proeklogikhs periodoy. Sas qymizw  kai to eixa anaferei ayto se mia synenteyjh moy, amesws meta tis ekloges- oti se antistoixh periptwsh stis ekloges toy Loyjemboyrgoy, oi polites toy Loyjemboyrgoy plhroforhqhkan tis teleytaies dhmoskophseis, apo toys radiofwnikoys kai thleoptikoys staqmoys alla kai apo to Internet apo to geitoniko Belgio. Eixa pei, loipon, amesws meta tis ekloges, se synenteyjh poy eixa dwsei sto radiofwno  kai ayto, an sas endiaferei, mporw na sas to promhqeysw- oti apedeixqh pws telika to xroniko orio twn 15 hmerwn pro twn eklogwn, htan ena orio to opoio den mporoyse na antejei sto xrono, qa eprepe na allajei. Den einai mia allagh poy ginetai aifnhs shmera. Einai kati to opoio proanhggeila liges molis hmeres meta tis ekloges toy Septembrioy toy 2007. Kai ayth einai h pragmatikh aitia poy egine. Gia na sas lysw kai to ypoloipo ths aporias sas, qa sas pw oti aplws, epeidh den yphrxan ta meizona nomosxedia apo thn pleyra moy dhladh twn Genikwn Grammateiwn Epikoinwnias kai Enhmerwshs (ta exw kataqesei sthn prohgoymenh qhteia ths kybernhshs) den eixa kapoio megalo nomosxedio gia na mporesw na entajw thn tropologia ayth mazi kai me alla qemata  giati qa diapistwsete oti sto nomosxedio toy Ypoyrgoy Eswterikwn k. Paylopoyloy, yparxoyn kai alla qemata poy aforoyn ton xwro ths politikhs moy eyqynhs stis Genikes Grammateies Epikoinwnias kai Enhmerwshs- kateqesa ws tropologia ekei kai ayto kai ta ypoloipa.

MPALHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, prin eipate oti me fhmes den ginetai sobarh politikh kai prin apo ligo anaferqhkate ston k. Karatzaferh. Qewreite oti o k. Karatzaferhs symmetexei se ayth thn prospaqeia isopedwshs ths politikhs zwhs dhladh, me ayto poy eipate;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den xreiazetai na symplhrwsw kati perissotero apo ta osa eipa prin apo ligo kai ta osa eipwqhkan kai apo ton Prwqypoyrgo sth deyterologia toy kai sthn tritologia toy sth Boylh.

KORAH: Qa epanelqw sto erwthma poy sas eixa kanei, alla poy nomizw oti den phra apanthsh, elpizontas ayth th fora na parw. Osoi, apo opoio komma kai an proerxontai, eixan tyxon emplokh me th diakinhsh toy mayroy xrhmatos ths SIEMENS, pisteyete oti prepei na bgoyn kai na to dhlwsoyn;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qewrw oti sas edwsa apanthsh. Ean yparxei kapoios o opoios exei emplakei se ayth th diadikasia, nai, bebaiws, ofeilei na to dhlwsei.

KORAH: Epeidh mas kanate prin mia analysh gia thn politikh apajia sthn opoia odhgoyn oles aytes oi fhmes, pisteyete oti yparxei kapoio sxedio; Kai an nai, poioi mporei na to katastrwnoyn ayto to sygkekrimeno sxedio;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den qa mpw se senaria, giati tote qa yphretoysa ki egw mia allh pleyra ayths ths fhmologias h opoia apajiwnei thn politikh zwh toy topoy.

KAKALHS: Epeidh h kybernhsh exei symfwnhsei me tis ayjhseis sta timologia ths DEH na anerxontai se ycos 30% sxedon, apo ton Aygoysto toy 2007 mexri ton epomeno Ianoyario, exei peistei oti ayth h ayjhsh aporreei apo thn ayjhsh toy kostoys ths timhs toy petrelaioy dieqnws h symfwnei me thn apoch oti prepei na ayjhqei h timh toy hlektrikoy reymatos gia na yparxei eggyhmenh kerdoforia stis idiwtikes etaireies poy prepei na mpoyn ston xwro ths hlektrikhs energeias;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exw anaferqei para polles fores sto qema. Foboymai oti den qa sas kanw sofotero legontas ta idia pragmata.

KAKALHS: Mas exete ejhghsei omws giati symfwneite (den akoygetai).

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exei ejhghqei eparkws to qema kai apo thn pleyra ths kybernhshs kai apo thn pleyra ths dioikhshs ths DEH, otan anakoinwqhkan aytes oi ayjhseis.

Sas eyxaristw.

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