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Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Deytera, 23 Ioynioy 2008

Ariqmos Deltioy: 144315353

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YPOYRGOS EPIKRATEIAS

Aqhna, 23 Ioynioy 2008

Xairete kai kalh ebdomada.

Ayrio, stis 11.00, synedriazei h Kybernhtikh Epitroph, me qemata Ypoyrgeioy Ygeias kai Koinwnikhs Allhleggyhs.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

SPYRAKH: Kyrie Ekproswpe, o Prwqypoyrgos stis Bryjelles eipe oti einai anoixtos sto endexomeno systashs Ejetastikhs Epitrophs, efoson oloklhrwqei h dikastikh ereyna. Qa hqela, loipon, na rwthsw, otan leei ayto o k. Karamanlhs, ti ennoei; Ennoei th fash ths oloklhrwshs ths prokatarktikhs ejetashs poy anamenetai na ginei sto prwto dekapenqhmero toy Ioylioy h th fash ths oloklhrwshs ths kyrias anakrishs, h opoia opws plhroforoymai apo to dikastiko reportaz qelei na parei ena sygkekrimeno xrono;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den qa mpw pio ejeidikeymena. Gnwrizete oti h stash mas se tetoia qemata einai pagia kai diaxronikh. Ara, loipon, me anafores sto parelqon, qa diapistwsete oti thn idia qesh akoloyqoyme. Mporeite na exete apanthsh apo ayth th stash. H apoch mas einai pantws, opws th diatypwse o Prwqypoyrgos thn Paraskeyh, stis Bryjelles, oti qa prepei h dikastikh ereyna na synexistei aproskopta, opws ginetai mexri twra, na oloklhrwqei kai etsi na plhroforhqoyme, oloi oi polites, oles tis ptyxes toy qematos. Na teqoyn ypo to pneyma kai to gramma toy nomoy oi parabates kai na exoyn, toylaxiston oi Ellhnes polites, thn apolyth bebaiothta oti se o,ti afora thn kybernhsh, ayth h logikh einai poy mas diepei.

XIWTHS: Sto idio erwthma, kyrie Ypoyrge. Lete oti h stash mas einai gnwsth. Sto parelqon exoyme dei kai tis dyo periptwseis, dhladh, exoyme dei periptwsh poy na mh sygkroteitai Ejetastikh Epitroph, dioti synexizotan h kyria anakrish, opws gia paradeigma sthn ypoqesh twn ypoklopwn. Exoyme dei kai periptwsh, opws h ypoqesh twn TOR M-1, opoy sygkrothqhke Ejetastikh, taytoxrona me th dikastikh ereyna, afoy eixe oloklhrwqei h prokatarktikh ereyna. Ara, einai qemeliwdes na mas peite, otan lete ``na oloklhrwqei h dikastikh ereyna'', an ennoeite thn kyria anakrish h thn prokatarktikh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Na oloklhrwqei h dikastikh ereyna. Den exw na pw kati perissotero.

KORAH: Kyrie Ypoyrge, apokleiei h kybernhsh na yparxei emplokh ``mayroy xrhmatos'' ths Siemens kai se o,ti afora me to komma ths Neas Dhmokratias kai se o,ti afora me proswpa ths Neas Dhmokratias;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oi Ellhnes polites parakoloyqoyn me endiaferon  eimai bebaios- tis teleytaies hmeres na ektylissetai to ejhs skhniko: Na exoyme apokalyceis sygkekrimenes, me onomatepwnymo, me sygkekrimenes dhlwseis kai kataqeseis, gia ta osa exoyn symbei sto PASOK, gia ta osa aforoyn to PASOK. Kai thn idia wra, na dhmioyrgoyntai entypwseis me aoristes fhmologies. Ekeino poy qelw na shmeiwsw, einai oti o symchfismos einai katafygio oswn prospaqoyn na diaxysoyn se alloys xwroys tis dikes toys eyqynes kai tis dikes toys enoxes.

SPYRAKH: Kyrie Ekproswpe, epeidh parakoloyqhsa akribws o,ti eipate, milate gia entypwseis me aoristes fhmologies. Wstoso, yphrjan dhmosieymata, ta opoia anaferontai se roh xrhmatos  epikaloymai to EQNOS ths Kyriakhs- thn periodo poy h Nea Dhmokratia htan kybernhsh kai thn periodo poy ginotan h teleytaia fash ths promhqeias toy systhmatos parakoloyqhshs twn Olympiakwn Agwna, toy C4I. Qelw, loipon, na rwthsw, an h kybernhsh, an to Grafeio toy Prwqypoyrgoy, exei epikoinwnhsei me toys ypoyrgoys poy emfanizontai apo ta dhmosieymata ws emplekomenoi se aytes tis fhmologies kai ti arxikes apanthseis exei labei.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exoyme mia basikh diafora. Se o,ti afora th mia periptwsh, anafores ginontai gia symbaseis oi opoies eite ypegrafhsan epi PASOK kai synexisthkan epi Neas Dhmokratias kai oloklhrwqhkan epi Neas Dhmokratias kai idiws h symbash poy anafereste, exei na kanei me toys Olympiakoys Agwnes. Sthn allh periptwsh, mporeite na moy peite, ti eidoys symbash einai ayth h opoia egine gnwsth apo ton prwhn steno synergath toy prwhn Prwqypoyrgoy; Dioti, sth mia periptwsh -epanalambanw- exoyme na kanoyme me symbaseis. Den mporei na daimonopoiei kaneis, genikws, tis symbaseis. Qa prepei sigoyra na yparjoyn stoixeia, ean yparxoyn, ta opoia na mas odhghsoyn se kapoio symperasma. Sthn allh, omws, periptwsh, egw toylaxiston den antilambanomai ti eidoys symbash einai ayth h opoia ypegrafh, an ypegrafh h oloklhrwqhke dia logoy. Kai einai dynaton na symchfizoyme, ean yparxoyn symbaseis me kapoies dieqneis etaireies me to ellhniko Dhmosio kai na qewroyme oti einai to idio pragma me xrhmata poy dierreysan apo ena Tameio se ena allo;

SPYRAKH: Me sygxwreite, egw, omws, den rwthsa ayto. Rwtaw, an eseis exete epikoinwnhsei me ypoyrgoys poy ferontai ws emplekomenoi se ayta ta dhmosieymata kai ti apanthseis exete labei.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exw dwsei hdh mia apanthsh se ena qema, to opoio nomizw exei anaferqei kai alles fores kai oxi mono teleytaia. To qema toy C4I einai ena zhthma poy exei apasxolhsei kai th Boylh, para polles fores, opws gnwrizete. Malista, poly prosfata kai oi ypoyrgoi poy xeiristhkan thn ypoqesh, kai o yfypoyrgos poy xeiristhke thn ypoqesh ekeinh thn periodo, ekanan analytikes anakoinwseis sth Boylh twn Ellhnwn.

SPYRAKH: Isxyei kai gia ton k. Liaph; Me sygxwreite poy parembainw.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Fysika kai isxyei. An den me apata h mnhmh moy, exei ekdoqei hdh anakoinwsh xqes, apo ton Organismo Sidhrodromwn Elladas.

ROYMELIWTHS: Na ypoqesoyme apo thn prohgoymenh topoqethsh sas oti den yparxei kamia periptwsh na yparjei mia diakommatikh synennohsh gia ejygiansh toy politikoy systhmatos, to opoio plhttetai apo tis teleytaies ejelijeis;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Th diakommatikh synennohsh toy politikoy systhmatos, gnwrizete poly kala, oti th zhtaei h Nea Dhmokratia, edw kai para polla xronia. H apanthsh apo thn allh pleyra htan ``alla logia na agapiomaste'' sthn periptwsh ekeinh ews to 2004. H synexish twra einai enas symchfismos, o opoios aney stoixeiwn  epanalambanw- exei stoxo na dhmioyrghsei katafygio se ekeinoys poy niwqoyn ypeyqynoi h enoxoi.

XIWTHS: Proseja, kyrie Ypoyrge, sth synenteyjh toy Prwqypoyrgoy stis Bryjelles, o k. Karamanlhs eipe oti h Nea Dhmokratia den exei sxesh me ayth thn ypoqesh. Otan to leei ayto, ennoei oti den exei sxesh se o,ti afora proeklogikes enisxyseis toy kommatos ths Neas Dhmokratias h den exei sxesh kai me stelexh ths Neas Dhmokratias poy endexomenws na exoyn sxesh me ayto;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den xreiazetai peraiterw dieykrinish. Einai jekaqaro ayto poy eipe o Prwqypoyrgos.

XIWTHS: Den to qewrw jekaqaro, kyrie Ypoyrge, gi` ayto epanerxomai.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exoyme profanws diaforetikh antilhch toy ti einai jekaqaro kai ti oxi. Egw qewrw oti ayto poy eipe o Prwqypoyrgos, einai jekaqaro. Eseis, oxi. Mporeite na diathrhsete thn apoch sas.

KAKALHS: Exei diamorfwsei h kybernhsh gnwmh gia to poios kinei ta nhmata twn apokalycewn, me dedomeno oti toso idia, o armodios ypoyrgos oso kai h dikastikh ejoysia prodikazan oti den emplekontai politika proswpa se ayth thn ypoqesh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ti ennoeite; Gnwrizoyme oloi oti yparxei se ejelijh mia dikastikh ereyna, toso edw, oso kai sth Germania. Apotelesmata ayths ths dikastikhs ereynas einai en pollois ayta ta opoia diapistwnoyme aytes tis hmeres. Yparxei mia dhmosiografikh ereyna poy ginetai parallhla kai apotelesmata epishs ths dhmosiografikhs ereynas ginontai antikeimeno ereynas epishs apo th Dikaiosynh kai synagontai kapoia symperasmata.

KAKALHS: Apo th dhmosiografikh ereyna perimenei kai h kybernhsh na maqei;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Mhn ypotimate ton eayto sas synexws.

KAKALHS: Giati eixate speysei na prodikasete oti den yparxoyn politika proswpa;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Mhn ypotimate ton eayto sas. Ayto sas eipa;

KAKALHS: Ayto eipate.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Pros Qeoy, ayto sas eipa; Sas eipa oti yparxei mia dikastikh ereyna en ejelijei kai edw kai sth Germania. Kai parallhlws, sas eipa  qa mporoysa na mh to pw kaqoloy, to lew omws gia na timhsw to dhmosiografiko epaggelma, to opoio kai egw yphrethsa epi 20 xronia- yparxei mia dhmosiografikh ereyna. Exei dwsei ayth h dhmosiografikh ereyna kapoia stoixeia. Egw den apajiwnw th dhmosiografikh ereyna. Den qewrw oti einai panakeia, oyte qewrw oti qa prepei na anaferetai kapoios mono sth dhmosiografikh ereyna, gia opoiodhpote qema. Opoiodhpote koinwniko h politiko qema. En prokeimenw, yparxoyn stoixeia ta opoia kapoioi synadelfoi sas eferan sth dhmosiothta kai bohqoyn  pisteyw- th doyleia ths Dikaiosynhs. H kybernhsh, apo thn pleyra ths, gnwrizete oti apo to Dekembrio toy 2006 exei synainesei, me poly sygkekrimenoys tropoys, mesw toy Ypoyrgeioy Dikaiosynhs, sto na enisxyqei h ereyna ths Dikaiosynhs ths Germanias kai ths ellhnikhs Dikaiosynhs.

KAKALHS: To erwthma, omws, htan allo, giati o ypoyrgos eixe speysei na prodikasei oti den emplekontai politika proswpa. Den htan ayto mia morfh parembashs kai sygkalychs;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Parembash kai sygkalych, ayth h kybernhsh, sth Dikaiosynh, den exei kanei se kamia periptwsh kai den protiqetai na kanei.

KORAH: Kyrie Ypoyrge, qelw na anaferqw ligo stis epimaxes symbaseis ths Siemens. H Nea Dhmokratia proeklogika tis eixe kataggeilei kai malista me poly sklhroys tonoys. Otan anelabe o k. Liaphs Ypoyrgos Metaforwn kai edw yparxei to hqiko qema kai to politiko to opoio syzhteitai kai trofodotei, an qelete, kai tis fhmologies  na to paradexqw kai egw- oxi mono tis synexise, alla eixe zhthsei kai epektash toys sthn opoia antedrasan kapoioi ypoyrgoi. Poy ofeiletai ayto; Qelw na mas to ejhghsete politika kai emeis den (den akoygetai) kamia syndesh oyte me to ``mayro xrhma'' ths Siemens, pros Qeoy. Politika, pws ejhgeite ayto to qema; H Nea Dhmokratia syneidhtopoihse oti ekane laqos strathgikh otan htan sthn ajiwmatikh antipoliteysh; Giati kapoios apo toys dyo exei kanei laqos. Ayto einai safes.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Kat` arxas, na dieykrinisw, epeidh eipate ``emeis den kanoyme syndesh me to mayro xrhma'', egw den aphyqyna kathgoria se esas, proswpika, oyte se kanenan allo dhmosiografo.

KORAH: Den to phra proswpika to qema. Lew, ta Mesa Enhmerwshs poy anaferomaste...

ROYSOPOYLOS: To gegonos omws oti dhmioyrgeitai mia eikona, kaqe Ellhnas poliths poy diabazei ta Mesa Enhmerwshs, ta parakoloyqei, akoyei anakoinwseis kommatwn klp, mporei na pistopoihsei ayth thn eikona. Den eipa kati kainoyrgio, dhladh den hrqa edw gia na sas pw kati to opoio den exete kai eseis antilhfqei. Exete antilhfqei oti yparxei ena qema to opoio anefyh me sygkekrimenes kataggelies kai sygkekrimenh dhlwsh stelexoys toy PASOK kai thn idia wra ginetai mia prospaqeia symchfismoy me anyparkta zhthmata apo th Nea Dhmokratia. Ayto einai to prwto. To deytero, den qa ypeiselqw se epimeroys leptomereies. Gnwrizete poly kala oti h kybernhsh ayth anelabe thn ejoysia to Marth toy 2004. Gnwrizete poly kala oti eixame mprosta mas Olympiakoys Agwnes kai eprepe na oloklhrwqoyn oi symbaseis kai eprepe na ginoyn kai nees, oxi sto sygkekrimeno tomea, den egine kati kainoyrgio, prokeimenoy na mhn breqoyme ekteqeimenoi ws xwra dieqnws kai ayto prajame. Oles oi symbaseis oi opoies eginan apo to 2004 kai meta, eginan me bash to eqniko kai to eyrwpaiko dikaio. Sth sygkekrimenh periptwsh, malista -nomizw oti h anakoinwsh toy OSE to epishmainei ayto- yphrje kapoia pro dietias dhmosia syzhthsh, anafora apo boyleyth toy PASOK kai en synexeia, ereyna toy Eisaggelea gia kataggelies poy telika den pistopoihqhkan kai h ypoqesh ayth, h opoia janahrqe sto fws ths dhmosiothtas, eixe mpei tote sto arxeio. Den mporw na gnwrizw tis leptomereies kaqe ypoqeshs. Ekeino to opoio gnwrizw me bebaiothta kai mporw na epanalabw einai oti apo to 2004 kai meta, symbaseis oi opoies eginan, eginan me to nomimo, kata ta ellhnika nomima mesa kai ta eyrwpaika, tropo.

GKOYTZANHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, toso gia to qema toy C4I, oso kai gia to qema ths Siemens, yparxoyn, an mh ti allo, erwthmatika kai politikes eyqynes. Eseis ti mas lete; Gia na mhn kapoioi milhsoyn gia symchfismo, na mhn ereynoyme aytes tis ypoqeseis;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den gnwrizw pws odhgeitai h skech sas ekei kai oyte einai bebaio oti mporw na gnwrizw. (Den akoygetai)

GKOYTZANHS: To eipate treis fores. Oti apo th mia exoyme sygkekrimenes apodeijeis gia th roh xrhmatos mesw toy prwhn synergath toy prwhn ypoyrgoy sto PASOK kai apo thn allh, mia prospaqeia mesw fhmologias na dhmioyrghqoyn entypwseis gia th Nea Dhmokratia. Sthn periptwsh ths Neas Dhmokratias exoyme sygkekrimena pragmata. H symbash toy C4I afhnei kapoia erwthmatika. Ti na kanoyme; Na mhn thn ereynhsoyme gia na mh dhmioyrghqei h entypwsh symchfismoy;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den gnwrizw ti eidoys erwthmata afhnei se esas. Ta erwthmata mporoyn na teqoyn kai na apanthqoyn. Exoyn teqei ayta ta erwthmata kai se koinoboyleytiko epipedo  sas ypenqymizw- kai exoyn apanthqei eparkws.

ROYMELIWTHS: Para tis apokalyceis kai th fhmologia, yparxoyn arketa ekatommyria eyrw ta opoia einai orfana, dhladh exoyme brei ena poly mikro poso apo ayta ta opoia exoyn kataqesei ta stelexh ths Siemens oti exoyn doqei se ellhnikes tsepes, fainetai oti oles aytes oi ejelijeis kai o xoros ths fhmologias qa mporoyse na prokalesei akomh kai ekloges;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qewrw oti qa prepei na afhsoyme th Dikaiosynh na ereynhsei thn ypoqesh gia na exoyme apanthseis sta erwthmata ta opoia pisteyw oti apasxoloyn oloys toys Ellhnes polites. Ma, einai dynaton na apanthsw; Syndyazete epta-oktw mhnes meta tis ekloges. Apo poy kai ews poy syndyazete to qema ayto;

KAKALHS: Symmerizeste, dhladh, thn ektimhsh boyleyth toy kybernwntos kommatos oti einai politiko laqos ths kybernhshs h mh, h systash Ejetastikhs Epitrophs;

ROYSOPOYLOS: H qesh ths kybernhshs gia thn Ejetastikh Epitroph einai gnwsth. Den exw na pw tipote perissotero.

KORAH: Kyrie Ypoyrge, epeidh aisqanomai oti den phra thn apanthsh poy hqela, qa sas janakanw to erwthma moy: Eiste kathgorhmatikos otan lete, otan eipe o Prwqypoyrgos oti, oyte to komma ths Neas Dhmokratias, oyte proswpa emplekontai me to ``mayro xrhma'' ths Siemens;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Eiqistai oi dhmosiografoi na kanoyn tis erwthseis poy qeloyn, alla na apaitoyn na paroyn kai thn apanthsh poy qeloyn, einai sto isodynamo poy symbainei me kapoioys politikoys, na qeloyn na epiballoyn mia apanthsh h ena dhmosiografiko keimeno. Egw den anhkw se ayth thn kathgoria.

KORAH: Moy arkei ena nai h ena oxi.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Kata synepeia, mporeite na ektimhsete kai na krinete eseis opws nomizete thn apanthsh poy sas edwsa amesws twra.

KORAH: Nai h oxi, den mporoyme na poyme;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den einai toso aploysteytika ta pragmata sth zwh.

SPYRAKH: Isxyei ayth h dhlwsh toy k. Zagorith oti to komma ths Neas Dhmokratias den empleketai apo ekei kai pera gia ta proswpa, den mporei na bebaiwsei;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Egw sas ekana mia anafora sth dhlwsh poy ekane o Prwqypoyrgos thn Paraskeyh. Apo ekei kai pera, otan exei milhsei o Prwqypoyrgos se ena komma kai o arxhgos enos kommatos, den xreiazetai na poyme tipote perissotero.

GKOYTZANHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, epeidh milate synexeia gia th Dikaiosynh  to exete pei arketes fores kai sth shmerinh hmera kai sto parelqon- sth sygkekrimenh ypoqesh ths Siemens, h Dikaiosynh dexetai kritikh kai basimh oti den exei kinhqei oyte me toys grhgoroteroys ryqmoys, oyte oti exei kanei toso kala th doyleia ths. To na dhlwnete synexeia thn empistosynh sas, ti shmainei;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Shmainei oti empisteyomai th Dikaiosynh, prwta ap` ola. Allwste, egw anhkw se mia paratajh h opoia empisteyetai kai empisteyotan panta th Dikaiosynh. Oydepote erije to anaqema eite se proswpa dikastwn, eite se ypoqeseis dhmioyrghse axly entypwsewn, sebomenh akribws to qesmiko ths rolo. Den shmainei tipote perissotero. Twra, h krish sas gia to an kanei th doyleia ths kala h kaka, grhgora h pio arga, einai kriseis oi opoies aforoyn esas. Egw den qa sxoliasw.

GKOYTZANHS: Oxi. Den einai dikes moy proswpikes kriseis. Einai kritikh h opoia...

ROYSOPOYLOS: Pantws, dikes moy den einai, ths kybernhshs den einai...

GKOYTZANHS: ... kai apo meros toy Typoy kai apo meros toy nomikoy kosmoy kai gia sygkekrimenes ypoqeseis...

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sebastes sth Dhmokratia oles oi apoceis.

GKOYTZANHS: Otan, enw yparxoyn ayta, dhlwnete toso poly thn empistosynh sas, mporei na dhmioyrghqei mia entypwsh oti prostateyete thn Dikaiosynh sto na mhn kanei kala th doyleia ths.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sebastes oles oi apoceis sth Dhmokratia. To ean ayth h kybernhsh exei sebastei th Dikaiosynh, einai nomizw kati to opoio apedeixqh sthn prajh kai para polles fores, oxi mia kai dyo.

FANIDHS: Nai, k. Ekproswpe, alla kaqysterei synhqws h Dikaiosynh na parei apofaseis. Ayto profanws leei o synadelfos. Exoyme kaqysterhsh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Egw legomai Kybernhtikos Ekproswpos.

FANIDHS: Nai, entajei. Sxolio qelw. Moy epitrepete na paw se ena allo qema.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Parakalw, na pate. Giati na mhn pate;

DHMOSIOGRAFOS: (den akoygetai) yparxoyn kai alla stoixeia (den akoygetai.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Kalws. Tyxainei, mexri toylaxiston ayth th stigmh, egw na orizw toys kanones, poios rwta kai poios den rwta. Apo ekei kai pera...

FANIDHS: Entajei. Hqela na rwthsw, ean ikanopoiei thn kybernhsh h ejelijh ths apagwghs toy epixeirhmatia toy Giwrgoy Mylwna. Giati to lew ayto; Giati den jerw ean arkei na staqoyme sto gegonos oti swqhke h zwh toy kai na jexasoyme thn aneparkeia poy paroysiazei shmera ena oloklhro systhma asfaleias twn politwn kai swsths, an qelete, epixeirhsiakhs antimetwpishs tetoiwn sobarotatwn ypoqesewn.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Milhsate gia aneparkeia, milhsate gia thn anagkh na yparxei swsth antimetwpish tetoiwn sobarwn ypoqesewn, poy shmainei oti exete hdh mia prokatalhch ws pros to an einai eparkhs h an swsta h oxi xeirizetai h Astynomia tetoies ypoqeseis. Qa moy epitrecete na sas pw oti egw den eimai eidhmwn. Fantazomai oti eseis gia na ta lete ayta eiste eidhmwn. Wstoso, h Astynomia asxolhqhke me thn ypoqesh tis teleytaies 15 hmeres kai synexizei na asxoleitai h astynomikh ereyna me thn ypoqesh ews otoy exei ta apotelesmata ekeina ta opoia einai epiqymhta apo oloys, fantazomai. Kata ta loipa, jerete, nomizw oti einai kairos na arxisoyme na sebomaste kai th doyleia twn allwn, na mhn thn apajiwnoyme toso poly. Parathrw mia prospaqeia apajiwshs, h opoia den einai shmerino qema bebaiws. Den exei na kanei me thn kybernhsh. Einai mia apoch thn opoia ekfrazw ws eyxh. Mia prospaqeia apajiwshs ths doyleias olwn. Fantazomai oti oyte esas sas aresei na apajiwnetai h doyleia toy dhmosiografoy, oyte stoys astynomikoys aresei na apajiwnetai h doyleia twn astynomikwn k.o.k.. H Astynomia kanei mia doyleia, mia para poly dyskolh doyleia. Einai poly eykolo mallon apo thn anesh toy grafeioy na krinoyme. Ta apotelesmata dikaiwnoyn h oxi mia doyleia. Den shmainei oti ta apotelesmata pantote qa einai ta kalytera dynata, oyte kai ta xeirotera dynata. En prokeimenw, ayth h ypoqesh einai mia para poly lepth ypoqesh poy apaitoyse poly leptoys xeirismoys. Den jerw ean eseis exete idees gia teleiws diaforetikh antilhch poy eprepe na akoloyqhsoyn oi epikefalhs ths Astynomias kai den thn ekanan, alla mporeite nomizw na toys eishghqeite, efoson sas endiaferei, aytes tis diaforetikes antilhceis.

SPYRAKH: Na gyrisw sto prohgoymeno qema. Qelw na sas rwthsw, apo th stigmh poy briskomaste ekei pera, einai gnwsto se oloys oti o,ti egxeirhmata exei kanei h kybernhsh se sxesh me to politiko xrhma, oti orismena ej aytwn aperrifqhsan apo thn ajiwmatikh antipoliteysh klp. Qelw na rwthsw, twra, sth xronikh sygkyria poy briskomaste, an h kybernhsh ektima oti mporei na analabei prwtoboylia gia to politiko xrhma kai an se ayth thn prwtoboylia poy endexetai na anasxediasei h na analabei, zhthsei kai th synainesh toy kommatos ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs.

ROYSOPOYLOS: H ypoqesh ayth einai mia diarkhs proklhsh. Giati ta pragmata, opws apodeiknyontai sthn prajh, xreiazontai prwton, thn politikh qelhsh kai ayth h politikh qelhsh yparxei apo thn pleyra ths kybernhshs kai deyteron, praktikes efarmoges ayths ths politikhs qelhshs. Se o,ti mas afora se polles periptwseis, me nomoqethmata ths tetraetias poy perase, odhghsame to qesmiko plaisio sthn peraiterw enisxysh toy. Mallon, na to xrhsimopoihsw pio swsta sta ellhnika: Enisxysame to qesmiko plaisio poly perissotero ap` oti to paralabame. An yparxoyn protaseis sthn kateyqynsh ayth, h kybernhsh einai panta anoixth.

ROYMELIWTHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, se ena allo omws meros ths Elladas poy erije to baros ths h Astynomia  kai milaw gia thn Krhth- paroti enisxyqhkan ta astynomika tmhmata, paroti h paroysia twn swmatwn asfaleias htan kati parapanw apo aisqhth, eidame ta apotelesmata mesa sto Sabbatokyriako: Eixame jana xtyphma enantion twn astynomikwn. Ti skopeyei na kanei h kybernhsh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exei kanei hdh mia dhlwsh o Ypoyrgos Eswterikwn k. Paylopoylos kai o Yfypoyrgos k. Xhnofwths. Ekeino poy exw na shmeiwsw egw einai oti h aytoqysia kai h aytaparnhsh twn astynomikwn arxwn den arkei. Opws den arkei h empeiria, opws den arkoyn oi panepisthmiakes sxoles poy mporei na exoyn bgalei oi perissoteroi, pia, apo toys anwtatoys ajiwmatikoys mas. Xreiazetai se kaqe periptwsh kai enas paragwn o opoios einai para poly shmantikos gia thn koinwnikh synoxh: H enisxysh apo thn idia thn koinwnia twn prospaqeiwn aytwn. Sthn prokeimenh periptwsh pisteyw oti h topikh koinwnia mporei na bohqhsei poly perissotero.

KORAH: Kyrie Ypoyrge, qa hqela na moy peite ean ki eseis pesate pragmatika apo ta synnefa, opws emfanizontai twra para polloi politikoi kai oti den to perimenate na yparjoyn aytes oi apokalyceis, ayth h prwth apodeijh an qelete, me thn periptwsh Tsoykatoy. Oti dhladh, efeygan xrhmata apo ta tameia sygkekrimenwn etaireiwn gia ta tameia  en prokeimenw  toy PASOK kai endexomenws kai gia ta tameia allwn kommatwn. Dhladh ayto to opoio oloi syzhtagame, oloi grafame, eseis to yioqeteite shmera oti den yphrxe ki eseis aifnidiasthkate;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exete gracei ena reportaz to opoio, nomizw, sthrizetai sto poyqena. Den katalaba apo ti apanthseis bgalate ta symperasmata ayta ta opoia moy lete. Ti apanthseis edwsa wste, an exw kanei laqos na to paradexqw enwpiwn sas.

KORAH: Kyrie Ypoyrge, den yphrxan panakribes proeklogikes ekstrateies kai twn dyo kommatwn; Dhladh eprepe na ginei gnwsth h periptwsh Tsoykatoy poy efyge to ena ekatommyrio; To problhma dhladh einai mono to ena ekatommyrio marka; Monon ayta efygan apo etaireia gia tameia kommatos; Den htan mia pagia taktikh poy yphrxe;

ROYSOPOYLOS: H qesh mas einai oti o,ti problhmata yparxoyn qa prepei na anadeiknyontai gia na mhn synexisoyn na yparxoyn sto mellon. Se o,ti afora to an einai h oxi pagia taktikh, ean yparxoyn sygkekrimena stoixeia, antilambaneste oti tote epilambanetai h Dikaiosynh. Kai o politikos kosmos o idios, pisteyw, sthn pleiochfia toy, qelei ayta ta stoixeia na bgainoyn sth dhmosiothta. Dioti to na spilwnontai ejisoy oloi eite kommata eite atoma, den ejyphretei oxi mono ton politiko kosmo, oxi mono th Dhmokratia, alla kai aytoys toys anqrwpoys oi opoioi epelejan na yphrethsoyn thn politikh. Kai epelejan na yphrethsoyn thn politikh gia ton A h B logo. Pantws gia logoys oi opoioi einai yper patridos kai oxi yper allwn bwmwn kai estiwn.

KAKALHS: Pws stekeste apenanti se ektimhseis poy lene oti to skandalo SIEMENS einai afethria gia mia synolikh anasyntajh toy politikoy kai kommatikoy systhmatos; Pisteyete oti syntrexoyn kapoioi logoi, yparxei anagkh gia kati tetoio;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den qa dwsw kapoia apanthsh sto erwthma sas. Einai ektimhseis tis opoies diabasa kai egw se politikes analyseis. Ekeino to opoio pisteyw einai oti h Dhmokratia mas einai arketa isxyrh apo to  74 kai meta. Qewrw oti to qesmiko ths plaisio exei enisxyqei se ena para poly megalo pososto, me oles tis anaqewrhseis toy Syntagmatos poy eginan, asxetws an symfwnw h diafwnw se kapoies apo aytes h an symfwnei h diafwnei h shmera kybernwsa paratajh me kapoies apo aytes. Qewrw oti h anejarthsia ths Dikaiosynhs, h anejarthsia toy Typoy, h anejarthsia twn dhmosiwn leitoyrgwn einai se ena zhleyto baqmo shmera se sxesh me to parelqon. Qewrw oti h leitoyrgia twn kommatwn epishs exei employtistei me thn eswkommatikh Dhmokratia poy apoteloyse makrino oneiro liges dekaeties prin. Kai ws ek toytoy pisteyw oti to mono poy xreiazetai einai emeis oi idioi oi politikoi poy yphretoyme to politiko systhma na enisxyoyme tis prospaqeies, otan aytes yparxoyn, oi opoies anadeiknyoyn ta problhmata kai oi opoies qa epoylwnoyn tis plhges, qa lynoyn ta problhmata. Nomizw, loipon, oti oi opoiesdhpote alles syzhthseis, kaneis den mporei na apokleisei se mia Dhmokratia to na qelhsei kapoios na anaptyjei politikh drash entos twn katesthmenwn kommatwn h ektos h na dhmioyrghsei enan kainoyrio mhxanismo, ena kainoyrio komma. Alla, nomizw oti sth Dhmokratia mas ta kommata ta opoia yfistantai exoyn hdh kerdisei ayta ta opoia sas eipa prohgoymenws kai mporoyn me mikres kinhseis, kinhseis oi opoies omws qa einai shmantikes gia toys Ellhnes polites, na peisoyn akomh perissotero. Dioti shmasia exei na peiqeis ton Ellhna polith -kai na ergazesai, bebaia, sthn kateyqynsh ayth- oti yphreteis pragmatika th Dhmokratia. Kai shmantiko einai na thn yphreteis gia th Dhmokratia kai gia thn patrida kai oxi gia ayto poy eipa prohgoymenws, entos pollwn eisagwgikwn, yper allwn estiwn, yper allwn symferontwn, na to pw pio jekaqara twra.

KAKALHS: Mia symplhrwmatikh se ayto: Egw lew -hqela na to entopisw eidika se ayto- ean entopizete na dieyrynetai to xasma anamesa sto yparxon politiko systhma kai stis anagkes toy laoy poy blepei na mhn ekproswpeitai mesa apo ayto.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den nomizw oti yparxei xasma san ayto poy anaferate. Ekfrazw proswpikh apoch, paroti ws Kybernhtikos Ekproswpos den dikaioymai na to kanw, ypo ayth th qesh toylaxiston oxi. Den nomizw pantws oti yparxei ayto to xasma to opoio anaferate. Egw pisteyw oti yparxoyn problhmata  se mia zwntanh Dhmokratia sigoyra yparxoyn problhmata- kai oti ta kommata einai arketa dynata alla kai ikana na antilhfqoyn ayta ta problhmata kai na epoylwsoyn aytes tis plhges.

ROYMELIWTHS: Mia erwthsh me dyo skelh gia ta Skopia: Prwton, yparxei plhroforia ston Typo oti erxetai o k. Nimits sthn Ellada me protash gia ``Boreia Makedonia'', an epibebaiwnetai apo thn kybernhsh kai deyteron, ena sxolio gia th synenteyjh toy k. Gkroyefski sto kratiko praktoreio twn Skopiwn, poy eipe oti oi Ellhnes se liga xronia qa ntrepontai gia osa ekanan sto eqnos toy.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den qa kanw sxolio oyte kai qa dwsw kapoia pio sygkekrimenh apanthsh. Gia to prwto, qa syzhthsw me to Ypoyrgeio Ejwterikwn gia na sas pw ayrio an exw kati perissotero, alla gia th dhlwsh toy k. Gkroyefski den qa kanw kanena sxolio.

GKOYTZANHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, alhqeyei oti egine tis perasmenes ebdomades eyreia, koinh Ellhnoisrahlinh askhsh sth Mesogeio; Askhsh prosomoiwshs, epiqeshs stis pyraylikes egkatastaseis toy Iran, opws apokalyce amerikanikh efhmerida; Ayto htan to ena. Kai qelw na sas rwthsw ayto ti shmainei; Oti se endexomenh epiqesh h xwra mas qa labei meros, estw kai parexontas dieykolynseis;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qewrw adianohto na exei ginei kati tetoio.

GKOYTZANHS: Poio;

ROYSOPOYLOS: To sthrizw sthn koinh logikh kai to sthrizw sto amyntiko mas dogma. Emeis eimaste mia xwra h opoia den leitoyrgei me logikes epiqeshs, alla mono me logikes amynas. Logikes, dhladh, yperaspishs toy patrioy edafoys. Ta ypoloipa, to na exei symmetasxei se askhsh h opoia na einai epiqetikhs morfhs, tetoioy eidoys opws ayth poy anaferate, qewrw oti einai adianohto na exei symbei. Qa sas dwsw pio oloklhrwmenh apanthsh, afoy milhsw me to ypoyrgeio Eqnikhs Amynhs, alla qelw na labete ypoch sas thn apoch ths kybernhshs, opws thn ejefrasa gia to qema mexri twra.

GKOYTZANHS: Tote, qa moy epitrecete na sas pw oti to dhmosieyma ths amerikanikhs efhmeridas poy milaei gia askhsh prosomoiwshs epiqeshs stis egkatastaseis toy Iran, einai probokatoriko.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ti qelete; Na stenaxwrhqw twra; Den katalaba; Den to katalabainw ayto poy moy lete.

GKOYTZANHS: Den qelw na sas stenaxwrhsw.

KAKALHS: Pantws, prokalei entypwsh oti apo thn Paraskeyh poy yphrxe to dhmosieyma, mexri shmera, den exete cajei thn ypoqesh kai den exete mia safh apanthsh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Paroti synhqizw na dinw apanthsh thn epomenh mera, qa symplhrwsw to keimeno ths apanthshs sto shmerino briefing.

SPYRAKH: Labete, omws, ypoch sas ligo kai thn synenteyjh toy Presbh toy Israhl sthn Oyasigkton, h opoia dhmosieythke thn Paraskeyh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa enhmerwqw apo to ypoyrgeio Eqnikhs Amynhs kai qa yparxei apanthsh sto shmerino briefing.

GKOYTZANHS: Jerete to erwthma, kyrie Ekproswpe, epeidh den qelw na sas stenaxwrhsw, einai an dhmioyrghqoyn tetoies entypwseis yparxei kindynos na ginei h xwra mas stoxos tromokratikwn epiqesewn.

ROYSOPOYLOS: H apostrofh thn opoia xrhsimopoihsa exei na kanei me to oti gnwrizete me kaqe tropo den sxoliazw dhmosieymata efhmeridwn, sxolia, analyseis k.l.p. Ws ek toytoy, loipon, den exw na prosqesw tipota perissotero sta osa exw pei mexri twra. Qa prosqesw mono sto keimeno o,ti perissotero moy dwsei to ypoyrgeio Eqnikhs Amynhs.

Sas eyxaristw.

Shmeiwsh: Me aformh proanaferqeisa erwthsh, apo to ypoyrgeio Eqnikhs Amynhs gnwstopoioyntai epipleon twn lexqentwn kai ta ejhs:

H askhsh den sxetizetai me ``proetoimasia'' toy Israhl gia epiqesh sto Iran, opws anakribws egrafh. Peran toy oti ayto qa htan apolytws jeno pros thn politikh mas kai pros to pws antilambanomaste to amyntiko-apotreptiko dogma ths xwras symplhrwmatika anaferontai kai oi ejhs qesmikes kai stratiwtikes parametroi ths en logw askhsews-synergasias:

1. H aeroporikh synergasia egine sto plaisio dimeroys amyntikhs symfwnias Elladas-Israhl poy ypegrafh to 1994 kai ananewqhke to 1999 kai to 2005.

2. Antikeimenikos skopos ths synergasias einai h prowqhsh twn dimerwn sxesewn se epipedo P.A.-IAF kai h antallagh gnwsewn kai empeiriwn se aeroporikes epixeirhseis, kaqws kai se qemata ereynas kai diaswshs.

3. Paromoia programmata stratiwtikhs synergasias exei h P.A. me 4 apo tis 7 xwres-melh toy NATO / Mesogeiakoy Dialogoy (Aigyptos, Israhl, Iordania kai Tynhsia).

4. Den elaban meros A/F Hlektronikoy Polemoy h A/F Enaerias Epithrhshs.

5. Den yphrxe problech sthn askhsh gia antimetwpish antiaeroporikwn bolwn poy prosidiazei se askhsh epiqetikoy xarakthra.

6. Oi pthseis eginan se megalo ycos poy den prosidiazei se epiqetikh energeia.

7. Oi boles poy eginan se taktiko pedio bolhs sta Grebena htan eikonikes, xwris pragmatika pyra kai to anaglyfo ths perioxhs den prosomoiazei me tis egkatastaseis sto Iran.

8. To qema ths megalhs apostashs twn apostolwn den apotelei kapoio stoixeio, kaqoson to Israhl ektelei aeroporikes askhseis sta FIR Leykwsias kai Aqhnwn kai exei labei meros sthn askhsh ``Anatolian Eagle'' poy diorganwnetai apo thn Toyrkia.

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