Greek Government Press Briefing, 08-06-18

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Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Tetarth, 18 Ioynioy 2008

Ariqmos Deltioy: 143305366

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ANAPLHRWTHS KYBERNHTIKOS EKPROSWPOS

Aqhna, 18 Ioynioy 2008

Xairete.

" O Prwqypoyrgos k. Kwstas Karamanlhs qa anaxwrhsei ayrio, Pempth, gia tis Bryjelles, opoy qa symmetasxei stis ergasies toy Eyrwpaikoy Symboylioy. Ligo meta thn afijh toy stis Bryjelles o Prwqypoyrgos qa symmetasxei sth synanthsh toy Eyrwpaikoy Laikoy Kommatos. Katopin, stis 17.00, arxizei h Synodos toy Eyrwpaikoy Symboylioy, h opoia qa diarkesei mexri tis 20.15. Amesws meta qa ginei to synhqismeno deipno ergasias twn Arxhgwn kratwn kai kybernhsewn oi opoioi metexoyn sto Eyrwpaiko Symboylio. Meqayrio, Paraskeyh, 20 Ioynioy, o Prwqypoyrgos qa exei stis 09.45 synanthsh me ton Belgo Prwqypoyrgo k. Letern. Katopin, qa symmetasxei sth deyterh synodo ergasiwn toy Eyrwpaikoy Symboylioy kai meta apo tis dhlwseis poy qa kanei pros ton Typo, qa epistrecei sthn Aqhna.

" Kyrwqhke shmera, apo th Boylh, h Symfwnia Koinwnikhs Asfalishs metajy ths xwras mas kai ths Aystralias. Mias symfwnias poy, opws einai gnwsto, apotelei proion makroxronwn kai epiponwn diapragmateysewn. Mia diadikasia megalh, h opoia oloklhrwqhke me thn ypobolh toy sxetikoy keimenoy apo th shmerinh Ypoyrgo k. Fanh Pallh - Petralia sth Boylh, pros kyrwsh. Gnwrizete oti h symfwnia ayth apoteloyse pagio aithma ths ellhnikhs omogeneias ths Aystralias gia th diasfalish twn syntajiodotikwn toys dikaiwmatwn. Einai xarakthristiko oti to zhthma ths synachs ths symfwnias ekkremoyse gia polles dekaeties, me apotelesma oi kopoi kai h ergasia poy eixan prosferei oi Ellhnes omogeneis gia para polla xronia sthn Aystralia, na kindyneyoyn na pane xamenoi apo syntajiodotikh kai asfalistikh apoch. Twra omws, meta apo thn kyrwsh kai th qesh se isxy ths symfwnias, einai bebaio oti ta dikaiwmata toys diasfalizontai sto megalytero dynato baqmo.

Qa hqela na sas ypenqymisw oti basiko shmeio diafwnias twn dyo pleyrwn, gia mia dekaetia peripoy, apoteloyse o tropos ypologismoy twn aystralianwn syntajewn ghratos gia toys dikaioyxoys poy diamenoyn sthn Ellada h prokeitai na epanelqoyn sth xwra mas, meta thn ypografh ths symbashs. Ton Oktwbrio toy 2005 ypegrafh sto Sydney apo ton tote Ypoyrgo Apasxolhshs kai Koinwnikhs Prostasias kai shmerino Koinoboyleytiko Ekproswpo toy kommatos ths Neas Dhmokratias k. Pano Panagiwtopoylo, plaisio arxwn, mnhmonio dhladh, metajy Elladas kai Aystralias, sto opoio symfwnhqhke o tropos ypologismoy twn pros ejagwgh aystralianwn syntajewn. H politikh hgesia toy Ypoyrgeioy Apasxolhshs kai Koinwnikhs Prostasias, me thn ypoyrgia toy diadoxoy toy k. Panagiwtopoyloy, k. Sabba Tsitoyridh, apo thn prwth stigmh epedeije endiaferon kai prowqhse kai ekeinh, ena bhma parapanw, tis diapragmateytikes diadikasies, me skopo thn oloklhrwsh ths symbashs. Gia to logo ayto, me prwtoboylia dikh mas, ths ellhnikhs pleyras, antiproswpeies twn dyo xwrwn synanthqhkan kat` arxhn sthn Aqhna, ton Ioynio toy 2006 kai en synexeia, to Dekembrio toy idioy etoys sthn prwteyoysa ths Aystralias, thn Kampera. Kata tis synomilies aytes, stis opoies apo ellhnikhs pleyras hgeito o Genikos Grammateas Koinwnikwn Asfalisewn, syzhthqhkan ola ta arqra ths symbashs kai ephlqe symfwnia ws pros to periexomeno twn perissoterwn kai spoydaioterwn apo ayta.

Kapoia ekkremh shmeia toy sxedioy ths symbashs aposafhnisthkan me allhlografia anamesa se yphresies twn dyo xwrwn, gia na katalhjoyme thn 23h Maioy toy 2007, kata th diarkeia ths epishmhs episkechs poy pragmatopoihse o Prwqypoyrgos k. Kwstas Karamanlhs sthn Aystralia, sthn epishmh ypografh toy keimenoy ths dimeroys symfwnias koinwnikhs asfalishs, sthn Kampera. Sth synexeia, stis 8 Noembrioy toy 2007, ypegrafh sthn Aqhna kai to keimeno toy Dioikhtikoy Kanonismoy efarmoghs ths symfwnias.

Opws sas eipa, h symfwnia ayth exei poly megalh shmasia gia ekatontades xiliades sympatriwtes mas, oi opoioi epelejan sto parelqon na metegkatastaqoyn, na zhsoyn, na ergastoyn, na kanoyn to bios toys sthn Aystralia. Kata thn epistrofh toys sthn patrida toys, yphrxan terastia problhmata gia thn katabolh twn syntajewn toys. Me toys oroys oi opoioi exoyn symfwnhqei, ola sxedon ayta ta problhmata, lynontai me ton kalytero dynato tropo. Ean qelete, eyxaristws, meta to briefing na sas dwsw kai perissoteres leptomereies.

" Qa hqela, epishs, na sas enhmerwsw oti se efarmogh oswn exoyme anakoinwsei sxetika me thn anakoyfish ths qeshs twn seismopaqwn apo ton prosfato seismo sthn Peloponnhso, o Yfypoyrgos Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn k. Antwnhs Mpezas ypegrace apofash, symfwna me thn opoia parateinetai h proqesmia gia to xrono ypobolhs toy eidikoy shmeiwmatos peraiwshs FPA kai ths dhlwshs ths diaforas twn akaqaristwn esodwn se loipes forologies, ena eidiko qema, gia toys ypokeimenoys armodiothtas twn eforiwn twn nomwn Axaias kai Hleias.

Sxetika me to idio qema, qa hqela epishs na sas enhmerwsw oti mexri prin apo mia wra peripoy, symfwna me ta stoixeia ta opoia exw, eixe katablhqei to ektakto bohqhma twn 3.000 eyrw se 3.736 dikaioyxoys kai to bohqhma twn 10.000 eyrw se 60 dikaioyxoys stis perioxes oi opoies eplhghsan prosfata apo to seismo.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

PALAIOLOGOS: Kat` arxhn gia to prwto qema poy anaferate, exei ypologistei o ariqmos twn dikaioyxwn, dhladh, twn Ellhnwn omogenwn... ;

ANTWNAROS: Den eimai se qesh ayth th stigmh na sas dwsw enan akribh ariqmo. Opws gnwrizete, omws, apo th dekaetia toy `50 kai meta, polles ekatontades xiliades sympatriwtwn mas, se mia oikonomikh katastash poy meta ton Deytero Pagkosmio Polemo kai meta ton Emfylio Polemo den htan idanikh gia thn Ellada, egkatastaqhkan se polles xwres ektos ths ellhnikhs epikrateias, metajy twn opoiwn kai sthn Aystralia. Ezhsan kai ergasthkan polla xronia ekei, ekanan ta paidia toys, gyrisan pisw kai den eixan to dikaiwma na eisprattoyn edw h toylaxiston na eisprattoyn olh th syntajh toys gia ta xronia kata ta opoia eixan plhrwsei ychles asfalistikes kataboles, eixan doylecei kai eixan to dikaiwma, asfalws, na perimenoyn th syntajh toys. Ayth h ryqmish lynei oristika, apaj kai dia pantos, ayto to qema. Ean qelete, eyxaristws, na synennohqw me to armodio Ypoyrgeio kai an yparxoyn kapoia stoixeia na sas ta dwsw.

PALAIOLOGOS: To allo erwthma moy exei na kanei me to gegonos oti xqes parathrhqhke ena alaloym stis akinhtwn yphresies opoy eprepe na ypoballoyn ta xartia gia thn entajh twn sto kthmatologio. Ena alaloym prwtognwro, kaqoti fanhkan anetoimes akoma kai oi yphresies. Poio einai to sxolio ths kybernhshs;

ANTWNAROS: Den epiqymw katarxhn, se kamia periptwsh, na ensternistw toys oroys toys opoioys xrhsimopoihsate. Einai anamfibolo oti otan efarmozetai gia prwth fora mia diadikasia, mia diadikasia h opoia anaferetai se ekatommyria sympolites mas oi opoioi aqroa speydoyn malista thn prwth hmera kai na enhmerwqoyn kai na kataqesoyn ta xartia toys, na parathroyntai orismena, an qelete, mikroproblhmata. Den einai omws alhqeia oti den lyqhkan ayta ta problhmata. Hdh, ap oti plhroforoymai apo to armodio Ypoyrgeio, h katastash exei omalopoihqei h exei sxedon omalopoihqei sta grafeia ta opoia exoyn analabei th diekperaiwsh aytwn twn ypoqesewn kai opoy ejakoloyqoyn kai syrreoyn oi endiaferomenoi, giati einai oloi oi polites twn megalwn astikwn perioxwn, opoy yparxoyn akinhta. Ginetai omws grhgorh kai apotelesmatikh epejergasia. Qa sas pw ena noymero, symfwna me ta stoixeia ta opoia exw. Mono xqes, sto grafeio poy leitoyrgei sto METRO toy Syntagmatos, opoy proshlqan, pragmati, para polloi Aqhnaioi gia na kataqesoyn ta xartia toys --einai kai boliko, ws perioxh ennow-- ejyphrethqhkan 4.000 anqrwpoi, enas megalos ariqmos. Kai para to oti yphrjan problhmata, ta opoia allwste anakoinwqhkan kai xqes, gia ena apo ta eji grafeia poy leitoyrgoyn sthn perioxh ths Aqhnas, ta alla grafeia ta opoia leitoyrgoyn antapokriqhkan kai antapokrinontai sthn apostolh h opoia toys exei anateqei. Den qa prepei epishs, na jexnaei kaneis oti den yparxei kamia bia na pane oloi tis prwtes hmeres. Einai fysiko, bebaia, na yparxei aqroa proseleysh giati oi anqrwpoi qeloyn na enhmerwqoyn ti akribws prepei na kanoyn, alla den yparxei kamia bia na pane oloi tis prwtes hmeres. H proqesmia einai mexri to telos Septembrioy kai asfalws yparxei kai pera apo thn proswpikh kataqesh twn dikaiologhtikwn, h dynatothta na ginei h ypobolh kai mesw diadiktyoy. Antilambanomai, bebaia, oti polloi den einai se qesh na kataqesoyn ta xartia toys, gia polloys logoys, mesw Internet. Yparxei omws h dynatothta na epikoinwnhsoyn kai me ton ariqmo 1015, ap opoy dinontai oi plhrofories. Yparxei kai h dynatothta na kanoyn th sxetikh diadikasia mesw twn Taxydromeiwn. Sas enhmerwnw epishs, oti akribws, epeidh h proseleysh htan aqroa, apofasisthke hdh apo xqes, apo tis prwtes wres, h dieyrynsh toy wrarioy leitoyrgias twn triwn megalyterwn grafeiwn. Dhladh, sto kentro ths Aqhnas, opws sas eipa sto Syntagma, toy grafeioy poy einai armodio gia ton Peiraia kai toy grafeioy sth Qessalonikh kai stegazetai mesa sth Dieqnh Ekqesh Qessalonikhs. Apofasisthke, loipon, h dieyrynsh aytoy toy wrarioy mexri tis 21:00. Taytoxrona, ta entypa ta opoia xreiazetai kaneis, prokeimenoy na proxwrhsei se ayth th diadikasia, meta apo mia synergasia h opoia apofasisthke metajy toy Ypoyrgeioy Eswterikwn kai ths etaireias Kthmatologio A.E. poy exei thn eyqynh ths diaxeirishs twn entypwn dhlwsewn aytoy toy typoy, ta entypa ayta qa dianemontai mesw toy diktyoy twn KEP. Kai etsi aytoi poy qa phgainoyn sta grafeia qa mporoyn hdh na exoyn promhqeytei ta entypa, na ta exoyn symplhrwsei kai, efoson xreiazetai, na dieykrinizoyn orismenes leptomereies me toys ejeidikeymenoys ypallhloys poy yparxoyn sta grafeia. Sas paroysiasa, loipon, th diadikasia. Qelw omws na sas pw gia mia akomh fora kai gia thn oysia. H Ellada htan h teleytaia xwra apo tis 15, an oxi h teleytaia xwra ths Eyrwphs, h opoia den eixe frontisei egkaira na apokthsei ena Eqniko Kthmatologio poy apotelei to kombiko ergaleio programmatismoy orqologikhs organwshs kai anaptyjhs ths xwras, alla einai taytoxrona kai poly shmantiko ergaleio gia thn prostasia toy periballontos. Gnwrizete, oti me ton tropo ayto, me thn kainoyria diadikasia h opoia arxise, qa katagrafoyn 6,7 ekatommyria dikaiwmata idiokthsias, opws legontai, kai qa entaxqoyn sto Eqniko Kthmatologio 3,1 ekatommyria stremmata ghs. Etsi, meta thn oloklhrwsh aytoy toy sygkekrimenoy programmatos, to Eqniko Kthmatologio qa kalyptei ta 2/3 toy plhqysmoy ths xwras. H shmerinh kybernhsh parelabe 22 Kthmatologika Grafeia kai entagmenes sto kthmatologio 36, mono, perioxes poy antistoixoyn se 960 xiliades stremmata. Shmera, leitoyrgoyn 94 Kthmatologika Grafeia. Dhladh, teqhkan se leitoyrgia 72 nea kai exoyn entaxqei sto Kthmatologio 322 perioxes, dhladh 287 nees, perissoteres apo aytes poy yphrxan prin apo tessera xronia. Synolika, sto Kthmatologio exoyn entaxqei 7,7 ekatommyria stremmata kai exoyn katagrafei, peripoy 6 ekatommyria dikaiwmata. Einai ena bhma shmantiko pros ta empros poy kanei h xwra, ena bhma aparaithto apo to opoio qa wfelhqoyme oloi mas.

TROYPIWTHS: Na ypoqesw oti to teleytaio htan mia kritikh stis kybernhseis toy k. Shmith kai idiaitera ston k. Laliwth;

ANTWNAROS: Egw milaw, opws gnwrizete, gia th qetikh syneisfora twn kybernhsewn toy Kwsta Karamanlh. Kai ekeino to opoio metraei einai h shmantikh allagh, poy symfwna me ta anamfisbhthta stoixeia poy molis sas edwsa, apodeiknyetai oti exei ginei kai sto sygkekrimeno tomea. Shmasia exei na kthmatografhqei olh h xwra, opws exei ypoxrewsh na einai kthmatografhmenh kaqe sygxronh xwra sthn Eyrwph.

TROYPIWTHS: Ara, o k. Laliwths den eixe kanei kati gia na ginetai twra.

ANTWNAROS: Shmasia exei ti ginetai shmera.

TSIOYFOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, apo th Synodo toy Eyrwpaikoy Symboylioy ti anamenei h kybernhsh se o,ti afora thn antimetwpish ths akribeias; Na yparjei, piqanon, kapoia ektakth enisxysh olwn twn xwrwn, prokeimenoy na antimetwpisoyn to problhma me thn enisxysh kapoiwn asqenesterwn tajewn h piqanon kai mia apofash, oi bohqeies oi opoies qa doqoyn ta kondylia ayta na mhn prosmetroyntai, na mhn symperilambanontai sto elleimma kaqe xwras;

ANTWNAROS: Exoyme topoqethqei gia ola ayta ta qemata me poly megalh safhneia kai xqes, kai otan o Prwqypoyrgos apesteile thn epistolh toy ston Proedro ths Eyrwpaikhs Epitrophs k. Mparozo gia to sygkekrimeno qema. Qa sas parakalesw, loipon, na perimenete. Ayrio arxizei h Synodos toy Eyrwpaikoy Symboylioy, qa enhmerwqeite apo ton Prwqypoyrgo ton idio, opws sas eipa, me tis dhlwseis tis opoies qa kanei amesws meta tis syzhthseis. Opws gnwrizete, to qema ths oikonomikhs katastashs oloklhroy toy eyrwpaikoy xwroy apasxolei oles tis eyrwpaikes xwres. An qelw na kanw sygkriseis, qa elega oti apasxolei oles tis eyrwpaikes xwres to idio.

PALAIOLOGOS: Wstoso omws, polloi boyleytes ths Neas Dhmokratias, kai dhmosia alla kai stis kat idian synomilies, foboyntai koinwnikh ekrhjh, ejaitias toy problhmatos ths akribeias. Ti apantate se aytoys toys boyleytes;

ANTWNAROS: Den jerw poy exete dei tetoies dhlwseis. Egw den exw dei kamia tetoia katagegrammenh dhlwsh. Ekeino to opoio gnwrizw einai oti h shmerinh kybernhsh, me thn ypeyqynothta kai thn apotelesmatikothta poy th diakrinei, antimetwpizei kai ayta ta sygkekrimena problhmata, poy opws sas eipa, den einai apokleistika problhmata ths xwras mas. Einai problhmata me ta opoia erxontai antimetwpes oles oi eyrwpaikes xwres kai, opws sas exoyme pei, pisteyoyme oti oi eyrwpaikes xwres prepei na broyn mia koinh synistamenh gia na antimetwpisoyn me koinh grammh, me koines idees, me koinh proseggish, ola ayta ta qemata.

TSIOYFOS: Fantazomai oti kaneis den qa diafwnhsei me thn apodosh se kapoioys oikonomika asqenesterwn kapoiwn epidomatwn gia na enisxyqoyn amesa aytoi oi anqrwpoi poy to exoyn anagkh. Nomizw oti ayto einai kati gia to opoio kaneis den qa exei antirrhsh. Pisteyete omws oti mono me ta metra ayta enisxyshs twn asqenesterwn oikonomika tajewn qa doqei kai lysh sthn kardia toy problhmatos ths akribeias h qa prepei na yparjoyn kai kapoies alles draseis, kapoies alles energeies, wste to problhma na exei mia kamch, mia yfesh;

ANTWNAROS: Eimai bebaios oti gnwrizete ta 41 metra ta opoia anakoinwse to Ypoyrgeio Anaptyjhs.

TSIOYFOS: Ta gnwrizw, alla opws blepete kai eseis, den exoyn apodwsei.

ANTWNAROS: Ta metra ayta bebaiws kai exoyn arxisei na apodidoyn. Alla opws sas eipame prokeitai gia ena plegma metrwn, ta opoia, opws exoyn pei oi armodioi Ypoyrgoi, opws sas exoyme pei kai emeis se ayth edw thn aiqoysa, efarmozontai stadiaka. Molis thn perasmenh Pempth o k. Fwlias kai o k. Blaxos anakoinwsan thn efarmogh, th qesh se efarmogh an qelete, tessarwn epipleon apo ayta ta metra. Exoyme ftasei sta 31 kai polla apo ayta ta metra opws epishs exoyme dieykrinisei xreiazontan mia sygkekrimenh nomotexnikh proetoimasia prokeimenoy na teqoyn se efarmogh. To plegma aytwn twn metrwn kai oles oi prwtoboylies poy analambanei h kybernhsh synolika, eimai bebaios oti qa apodwsoyn ta anamenomena apotelesmata. Xreiazetai omws, opws sas eipa kai mia eyrwpaikh synergasia, prokeimenoy qemata ta opoia briskontai sthn kardia toy problhmatos kai exoyn th riza toys ektos synorwn, na antimetwpistoyn apo koinoy apo toys Eyrwpaioys etairoys.

TROYPIWTHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, na epistrecw stis Bryjelles. Ektos toy Belgoy Prwqypoyrgoy exei programmatistei kamia synanthsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy me allon epishmo kai idiaitera me to Gallo Proedro poy analambanei thn Proedria h me ton Kyprio Proedro;

ANTWNAROS: O,ti exei programmatistei, sas to anakoinwsa molis.

PALAIOLOGOS: Hqela na rwthsw pote qa teqei se leitoyrgia kai pote qa epandrwqei kai qa stelexwqei h yphresia twn ``Rampo'' poy anakoinwse xqes o k. Fwlias, gia ton elegxo twn timwn sthn agora.

ANTWNAROS: H yphresia, h opoia exei sygkekrimeno onoma, kai thn opoia anefere xqes o k. Fwlias qa arxisei na leitoyrgei mesa sta xronodiagrammata ta opoia o idios o k. Fwlias paroysiase.

PALAIOLOGOS: H erwthsh egine me dedomeno oti den yparxei akomh nomoqetikh ryqmish gia ayth thn istoria, dhladh den exei perasei...

ANTWNAROS: Parakalw na perimenete th nomoqetikh ryqmish.

FANIDHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, qa sas paw se ena allo qema twra. Xqes eixame hmerida apo thn TEDKNA se liges meres exoyme synedrio. Xqes eixame hmerida apo thn Topikh Enwsh Dhmwn kai Koinothtwn toy Nomoy Attikhs, se liges meres exoyme to synedrio ths KEDKE. Polla ta zhthmata ta opoia yparxoyn alla to shmantikotero isws to opoio kai endiaferei para poly kosmo einai to an qa kanei h kybernhsh se ayth th qhteia synenwsh Dhmwn kai Koinothtwn, dhladh an qa proxwrhsei se ena neo ``Kapodistria''. Kai ena deytero erwthma, an moy epitrepete, qa hqela na rwthsw an stis proqeseis ths kybernhshs einai na ginoyn synenwseis Dhmwn kai Koinothtwn kai sto lekanopedio Attikhs.

ANTWNAROS: Menw se osa exei pei o armodios Ypoyrgos k. Paylopoylos. Den exw na prosqesw kati allo.

GKATSIOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, anhsyxei thn kybernhsh mia endexomenh polwsh toy politikoy skhnikoy kai pairnw aformh basei twn dhlwsewn toy k. Papandreoy poy to teleytaio penqhmero deixnei na anebazei toys tonoys.

ANTWNAROS: Den prokeitai na kanw kanena sxolio gia toys logoys poy o arxhgos ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs aisqanetai thn anagkh na ekfrazetai me olo kai perissoteres laikistikes ekfraseis.

PANTAZHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, problhmatizoyn thn kybernhsh oi 170 peripoy pyrkagies toy teleytaioy penqhmeroy, lambanontas ypoch malista oti briskomaste akomh sthn arxh toy kalokairioy; Pws protiqeste na antimetwpisete to problhma; Yparxei periptwsh na labete kapoia epiprosqeta metra ap ayta poy exete anakoinwsei;

ANTWNAROS: Opws gnwrizete exei ginei proetoimasia, eginan syskeceis prosfata. Ej oswn gnwrizw exoyn anakoinwqei orismenes prwtoboylies apo to armodio Ypoyrgeio. Den eimai ayth th stigmh enhmeros gia ton akribh ariqmo twn pyrkagiwn. Den qelw na amfisbhthsw ta stoixeia poy xrhsimopoihsate, alla qa moy epitrecete endexomenws na enhmerwqw mexri ayrio kai na eimai se qesh na sas dwsw perissotera stoixeia.

Sas eyxaristw.

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