Greek Government Press Briefing, 08-05-27

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Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Trith, 27 Maioy 2008

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YPOYRGOS EPIKRATEIAS

Aqhna, 27 Maioy 2008

Xairete.

O Prwqypoyrgos k. Kwstas Karamanlhs, ayrio stis 10.30, sto Megaro Majimoy qa synanthqei me ton prwhn Geroysiasth twn HPA k. Pwl Sarmpanh.

Stis 11.30, qa synedriasei h Kybernhtikh Epitroph me qemata toy Ypoyrgeioy Anaptyjhs.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

ROYMELIWTHS: Yparxei kapoia sxesh me to oti ginetai ayrio h Kybernhtikh me th fhmologoymenh kontra twn Ypoyrgeiwn Anaptyjhs kai Oikonomias kai tis enstaseis toy Ypoyrgeioy Oikonomias oti den apodexetai digrammes epitages kai thn anagrafh toy posoy ekptwsewn;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Epikoinwnhsa kai me ta dyo ypoyrgeia. Den yparxei kamia kontra. Yparxei prospaqeia na mpoyn se efarmogh ta metra ta opoia exoyn anakoinwqei apo to Ypoyrgeio Anaptyjhs gia thn katapolemhsh kerdoskopikwn tasewn, akribeias klp. Menoyn na ryqmistoyn texnika zhthmata. Ws pros to sygkekrimeno poy me rwtate, den yparxei pantws kanenos eidoys antiparaqesh, poly perissotero de, kontra sthn opoia anaferqhkate.

PALAIOLOGOS: Ep` aytoy, epeidh yparxei h fhmologia oti qa anakoinwqoyn ayrio kai nea prosqeta metra gia thn antimetwpish twn synexwn anatimhsewn kai ths kerdoskopias kai ths akribeias, pragmati symbainei kati tetoio; Exete thn eikona apo ton ypoyrgo;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ap` o,ti gnwrizw, h ayrianh syzhthsh sthn Kybernhtikh Epitroph, afora qemata energeias.

PALAIOLOGOS: Den to prosdiorisate. Giati eipate gia zhthmata kerdoskopias, an den kanw laqos, sthn prohgoymenh erwthsh, gia texnika zhthmata poy aforoyn thn kerdoskopia kai ta sxetika h oxi; Den aforoyse thn Kybernhtikh ayto;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi.

PALAIOLOGOS: Ara, mono gia qemata energeias. Den qa teqei, dhladh, to qema toy hlielaioy, h ths akribeias;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sas apanthsa.

KAKALHS: Syzhtate ta qemata energeias, profanws giati exete lysei ta problhmata me thn akribeia. Qa hqela na rwthsw, epeidh eimaste martyres enos tetartoy, pemptoy gyroy anatimhsewn apo thn arxh ths xronias, ayta ta 41 metra kata ths akribeias, htan gia na anaxaitisoyn thn akribeia h na thn pyrodothsoyn;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qelate na kanete erwthsh, prohgoymenws. Oxi;

KAKALHS: H amhxania sas pws na ermhneytei; Aporia caltoy bhj;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sas exw apanthsei polles fores.

KAKALHS: To apotelesma poio einai; Blepw oti tetarth fora, anatimwntai ta basika eidh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sas exw pei oti exete mia efhmerida, opoy grafete. Fantazomai oti den sas leei kapoios ti na grafete kai den qa sas pw kai egw ti na gracete sthn efhmerida sas, opws kai se kanenan allo dhmosiografo. Mporeite na grafete oti qelete.

KAKALHS: Ma, einai mia eylogh aporia.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa sas parakalesw otan ypobalete erwthmata na einai erwthmata. An qelete na kanete sxolio gia na akoystei stis kameres h gia na metadoqei sta radiofwna, mporeite na to kanete. To kanate hdh, kategrafh, qa grafei kai sthn istoria, qa yparxei apotypwmeno se ola ta briefing na ta meletoyn oi polites, ana toys aiwnes.

MPALHS: Exete kapoio sxolio, kyrie Ypoyrge, gia ta osa eginan xqes sthn Aystralia apo th legomenh ``Pammakedonikh Enwsh'' kai an h Aqhna protiqetai na enhmerwsei tis Bryjelles gia ola ayta ta kroysmata;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ekane, hdh, dhlwsh h Ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn kai o ekproswpos toy Ypoyrgeioy Ejwterikwn. Rwthqhka kai egw edw, kai xqes kai thn perasmenh ebdomada. Den exoyme na prosqesoyme kati perissotero.

ROYMELIWTHS: Antilambanomaste apo th xqesinh sas apanthsh, oti katalabainete oti logw ths sygkyrias me tis ekloges, alla mexri poy qa ftasei h anoxh ths Aqhnas, an synexistei ayth h proklhtikothta kai tis epomenes hmeres;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den exw na prosqesw tipote perissotero.

KAKALHS: Mia dieykrinistikh. Tis erwthseis moy den tis kanw gia entypwsioqhria, oyte exw anagkh kati tetoio. Alla, einai mia eilikrinhs aporia. Pws ginetai na exete parei tosa metra kata ths akribeias kai anti na anaxaitizetai h akribeia, to akribws antiqeto na symbainei. Yparxei ena zhthma, qelw na pw, toylaxiston me thn anapotelesmatikothta an oxi, poy katantaei koroidia.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Yparxoyn polla paremferh erwthmata tis teleytaies hmeres.

PALAIOLOGOS: Xqes to brady, perihlqan sta dhmosiografika grafeia plhrofories sxetika me mplokarisma logariasmwn boyleytwn kai diakekrimenwn stelexwn ths Neas Dhmokratias. Ayto epibebaiwnetai, diaceydetai, exete rwthsei;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den to gnwrizw. Fantazomai oti ayth h plhroforia mporei na apanthqei apo thn armodia Arxh, poy einai Arxh gia to ``mayro xrhma''. Fantazomai oti ekei qa gnwrizoyn kai aytoi qa mporoyn na sas apanthsoyn. Den to gnwrizw. H kybernhsh, dhladh, den gnwrizei kati tetoio. Mporeite na apeyqynqeite ekei.

ROYMELIWTHS: Ena sxolio ths kybernhshs gia to an telika h syntagmatikh anaqewrhsh periorizetai se ena syntexniako qema, opws einai telika h arsh toy asymbibastoy twn boyleytwn.

ROYSOPOYLOS: As perimenoyme na chfistei h syntagmatikh anaqewrhsh shmera, exoyme kanei polles fores sxolia. Exoyme zhthsei apo ta kommata ths antipoliteyshs kai eidika apo to komma ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs na analogistei th sobarothta ayths ths anaqewrhshs. Einai krima poy o k. Papandreoy, proswpika, analambanei ayth thn eyqynh na erqei se antiparaqesh me ta ``qelw'' toy ellhnikoy laoy h ths pleiochfias twn Ellhnwn politwn kai sigoyra kai se anakoloyqia me ton idio toy ton eayto. Isws diabasate oti anadhmosieythkan tis teleytaies hmeres arqra h arqro to opoio eixe gracei eidika gia to arqro 16 kai thn anagkh anaqewrhshs toy. Fantazomai, oti qa mporoyse -an den eixe thn ypografh toy Gewrgioy Papandreoy, nomizw, prin apo deka xronia, ayto to arqro- na apodoqei se opoiodhpote stelexos ths kybernhshs ths Neas Dhmokratias. O k. Papandreoy, dystyxws kai gia ton topo, alla fantazomai kai gia ton idio, me thn politikh thn opoia exei akoloyqhsei to komma toy, den symmetexei se ayth thn anaqewrhsh poy qewroyme oti qa htan mia xrysh eykairia na lyqoyn problhmata poy talanizoyn, kyriws, toys Ellhnes neoys, toys Ellhnes poy qeloyn na foithsoyn se panepisthmia.

TROYPIWTHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, oi ermhneytikoi nomoi poy problepetai na ginoyn se sxesh me merika sygkekrimena arqra toy Syntagmatos gia paradeigma to 16. Exete xroniko orizonta gia thn katartish toys;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Xqes, sas edwsa mia diastash, toy ti ginetai akribws me to Syntagma, thn opoia gnwrizete allwste, den xreiazetai na sas kanw egw maqhma. To Syntagma problepei kyriws ektelestikoys nomoys kai proedrika diatagmata, analogws. Den gnwrizw na yparxei kati diaforetiko apo ayta ta opoia exw pei mexri twra. To 16, qa htan kalo na anaqewrhqei. Apo th stigmh poy den erxetai to PASOK na syntrejei se ayth thn anaqewrhsh, den mporei na ginei otidhpote poy na afora to arqro 16, para mono sth logikh ths shmerinhs syntagmatikhs synqhkhs. Den mporei, dhladh, na ginei kati diaforetiko.

PALAIOLOGOS: Xqes, stelexh ths Neas Dhmokratias kai boyleytes kyriws ths Neas Dhmokratias, sxoliazontas thn ypoqesh toy hlielaioy, yposthrijan oti me aformh ayth thn ypoqesh apodeixqhke pws den epiteyxqhke h epaggelqeisa apo thn kybernhsh epanidrysh toy kratoys. Qa anaferw xarakthristika ton k. Salagkoydh, alla kai ton k. Manwlh kai to eipan eyqews. Ti exete na peite;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Opws gnwrizete, den sxoliazw dhlwseis boyleytwn eite allwn stelexwn. Einai sebastes oles oi apoceis, to exw pei para polles fores. Qa shmeiwsw mono oti h epanidrysh toy kratoys einai mia diarkhs diadikasia poy jekinhse prin apo tessera xronia kai synexizetai.

TSIOYFOS: Gia to 16 kai to 103 exoyme katalabei peripoy tis proqeseis ths kybernhshs. Tis exei pei o k. Paylopoylos, se o,ti afora to 103, ti skopeyei na kanei me toys dhmosioys ypallhloys, gia to 16 exoyme (den akoygetai), gia to 24 omws se ti qa anaferetai o sygkekrimenos nomos; Exete ypoch sas;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exete proxwrhsei para polla bhmata kai nomizw oti einai poly nwris na syzhthsoyme to otidhpote. Sas epanalambanw oti apo th stigmh poy den anaqewroyntai ta arqra, gnwrizete oti h opoia nomoqetikh prwtoboylia qa kinhqei sth logikh toy isxyontos Syntagmatos. Aifnhs, sas qymizw oti yparxei nomos, o opoios eixe chfistei apo thn kybernhsh toy PASOK (kai nomizw oti kapoia apo ta arqra toy ta eixe chfisei kai h Nea Dhmokratia, ws antipoliteysh tote), gia to 24 poy rwthsate. Exoyn perasei polla xronia kai an den kanw laqos pantws mexri prin apo ligoys mhnes h plhroforhsh poy eixa htan oti akoma kai aytos o nomos einai se ekkremothta sto Symboylio ths Epikrateias. An loipon oloklhrwqei h diadikasia sto StE kai o nomos poy eixe chfistei tote apo to PASOK -kai epanalambanw, nomizw, me th symmetoxh ths Neas Dhmokratias se kapoia arqra- mporesei na efarmostei kai na lyqoyn xronia problhmata poy antimetwpizoyn eite oi Ellhnes agrotes, eite alloi Ellhnes polites, ayto qa htan eyxhs ergo.

PALAIOLOGOS: Mia dieykrinish. Eipate oti o nomos aytos eixe chfistei apo to PASOK, an den kanw laqos.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Htan h kybernhsh toy PASOK kai -an den kanw laqos- yphrxe kai symfwnia se orismena arqra apo to komma ths Neas Dhmokratias, ws antipoliteysh tote. Alla, to edwsa ws paradeigma xronikhs kaqysterhshs, giati aytos htan o nomos gia to ti einai dasos k.t.l. se sxesh me ta isxyonta sto ellhniko kratos.

KAKALHS: Exei ypologisei h kybernhsh poso exoyn megalwsei oi koinwnikes anisothtes, me bash ayth thn anakatanomh toy ploytoy poy ginetai mesw ths akribeias; Giati palaiotera o Prwqypoyrgos areskontan na mila gia tis koinwnikes anisothtes poy megalwnoyn. Twra, toylaxiston, h kybernhsh tis parakoloyqei;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ekane analytikes dhlwseis gia thn oikonomia, an qymaste kala, prin apo poly ligo kairo, o armodios ypoyrgos Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn, milwntas gia thn idrysh toy Tameioy ekeinoy poy qa mporoyse na bohqhsei -kai qa bohqaei- tis pleon adynames oikonomika tajeis, me programmata eite ths Eyrwpaikh Enwshs, eite programmata poy enisxyontai apo ton kratiko Proypologismo. Sto plaisio ayto, sas qymizw tis anakoinwseis poy eginan kai gia thn katapolemhsh ths ftwxeias sth xwra mas, gia problhmata ta opoia allote einai ayjanomena, allote bainoyn meioymena. Se kaqe periptwsh, twra, me thn antimetwpish toy fainomenoy ths akribeias, exoyme ejarsh aytwn twn fainomenwn. Qelw na sas qymisw oti ola einai allhlendeta, opws gia paradeigma allhlendeto einai kai to qema ths ejeyreshs qesewn ergasias. Qymizw, dhladh, oti h kybernhsh ths Neas Dhmokratias to 2004 parelabe mia anergia gyrw sto 12%. H anergia brisketai, ayth th stigmh, katw apo to 8%. Milame gia kapoies ekatontades xiliades qeseis ergasias, oi opoies dhmioyrghqhkan kai eferan se poly kalyterh moira aytes tis ekatontades xiliades poy mphkan se aytes tis qeseis ergasias.

KAKALHS: Mias kai to anaferate, pote qa leitoyrghsei to Tameio Koinwnikhs Allhleggyhs;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exei anakoinwqei apo ton k. Alogoskoyfh. Den exw kati neotero na sas pw. Mporw na syzhthsw mazi toy kai ayrio na dwsw mia pio emperistatwmenh apanthsh.

FANIDHS: O Dikhgorikos Syllogos ths Aqhnas apeyqynei prosklhsh pros toys polites na kataggelloyn tis periptwseis twn etaireiwn poy eisprattoyn gia logariasmo tritwn, tis diafores ofeiles. Egw qelw na rwthsw, an kata th dikh sas ektimhsh einai paranomos o tropos leitoyrgias aytwn twn etaireiwn kai telos pantwn ean den einai, an skefteste na proxwrhsete ena bhma parapanw kai na stamathsei ayth h katastash poy pragmatika, an mh ti allo exei na kanei me ekbiasmoys, kynhghto aplwn politwn poy den mporoyn na antidrasoyn diaforetika. Toylaxiston aytes einai oi kataggelies poy ftanoyn sta aytia mas.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Nomizw oti parabiazete anoixtes qyres otan zhtate ektimhsh se sxesh me to an kati einai nomimo h oxi. Giati den einai qema ektimhshs pia o nomos, o nomos einai qema efarmoghs kai den exei kamia shmasia na ektimhsw egw to a h to b. Oi anafores poy kanate se ekbiasmoys k.l.p. fysika kai einai paranomes, efoson isxyoyn. An yparxoyn kataggelies stis armodies arxes, eimai bebaios oti qa proxwrhsoyn se ayta ta opoia prepei na kanoyn. Kaneis de mporei na anexqei tetoia fainomena, an isxyoyn ayta ta fainomena poy eipate.

PALAIOLOGOS: Syggnwmh poy ginomai fortikos kai pali, alla xqes diakinhqhkan plhrofories oti o ypoyrgos Anaptyjhs k. Fwlias mazi me ton yfypoyrgo Anaptyjhs k. Blaxo, qa perasoyn to katwfli toy Megaroy Majimoy kai qa dwsoyn logariasmo ston Prwqypoyrgo k. Karamanlh gia to qema toy hlielaioy kai kyriws ths akribeias. Epeidh mas eipate prohgoymenws oti h ayrianh Kybernhtikh Epitroph qa exei antikeimeno mono to qema ths energeias, kata bash to qema ths energeias, isxyei h plhroforia oti qa perasoyn to katwfli gia na dwsoyn logariasmo gia ta metra h gia thn apodotikothta twn metrwn sxetika me thn akribeia kai to hlielaio;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Prwton, sas eipa oti einai kyriws qemata energeias. Den apekleisa tipota allo. Allwste se polles periptwseis oi Kybernhtikes Epitropes sas exw pei oti exoyn syzhthsei kai alla qemata ta opoia einai ths epikairothtas.

Deyteron, den nomizw oti prokeitai peri plhroforias, alla mallon peri kapoias dhmosiografikhs ektimhshs, giati den moy akoygetai ws plhroforia ayto to opoio moy metaferate.

Triton, sas qymizw epi ths oysias toy qematos, oti prin apo liges hmeres o Prwqypoyrgos synanthqhke kai me ton k. Fwlia kai me ton k. Blaxo.

Tetarton, epanabebaiwnw ta osa sas eipa xqes me aformh erwthsh poy egine edw, sto press room, sxetika me tis diafores fhmes gia thn politikh hgesia toy ypoyrgeioy Anaptyjhs, ypoyrgo kai yfypoyrgo. H prospaqeia h opoia ginetai kai apo toys dyo - kai apo ton k. Fwlia kai apo ton k. Blaxo - einai mia prospaqeia patajhs ths kerdoskopias, einai mia prospaqeia epibolhs twn 41 metrwn gia th diafaneia sthn agora, gia thn patajh akribws aytwn twn kerdoskopikwn tasewn poy parathroyntai kai thn kalyterh leitoyrgia ths. Metra ta opoia otan anakoinwnontai, den mporei se kamia periptwsh na exoyn apotelesma apo th mia mera sthn allh. Makari streblwseis etwn h dekaetiwn na mporoysan na allajoyn etsi.

Sas eyxaristw.

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