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Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Pempth, 15 Maioy 2008

Ariqmos Deltioy: 137332558

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YPOYRGOS EPIKRATEIAS

Aqhna, 15 Maioy 2008

Xairete.

Oloklhrwqhke prin apo ligo h synanthsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy me toys ypoyrgoys k. Alogoskoyfh, Abramopoylo kai Petralia. Egine analytikh syzhthsh gia thn oikonomikh diastash twn qematwn ths Ygeias, se nosokomeia, Tameia kai oikonomika zhthmata. Anakoinwqhke oti qa systaqei diypoyrgikh epitroph gia ton elegxo kai syntonismo qematwn promhqeiwn farmakwn kai proypologismwn nosokomeiwn. Epishs, syzhthqhke h entatikopoihsh ths proetoimasias gia thn prwtobaqmia frontida.

Ayrio, o Prwqypoyrgos k. Kwstas Karamanlhs, stis 10.30, qa paei sth Boylh gia thn wra toy Prwqypoyrgoy. Stis 12.30 qa exei synanthsh me thn aytoy Qeotath Panagiothta ton Oikoymeniko Patriarxh k. k. Barqolomaio.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

KATSABOY: Kyrie Ekproswpe, o boyleyths toy PASOK Qeodwros Pagkalos, milwntas shmera sto radiofwniko staqmo CITY, eipe gia th symmaxia OTE kai DEUTSCHE TELEKOM ``den jerw poios, alla kapoios qa paei fylakh kai qa einai politiko proswpo''. Qa hqela na rwthsw an exete kapoio sxolio.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi, kanena sxolio.

KAKALHS: H DEUTSCE TELEKOM se anakoinwsh ths ekfrazei thn ikanopoihsh ths giati apekthse ton plhrh elegxo toy manatzment toy OTE kai to dikaiwma plhroys enopoihshs twn apotelesmatwn. H kybernhsh, giati akribws panhgyrizei; Mhpws giati afhse th xwra xwris dhmosio forea thlepikoinwniwn kai giati poylhse ton organismo poy ftiaxthke me ta lefta toy ellhnikoy dhmosioy, anti 400 ekatommyriwn eyrw;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Profanws, apo thn erwthsh sas h toylaxiston apo th diatypwsh ths erwthshs sas, prokyptei oti den exete diabasei tipote apo ta osa exoyn symbei ston OTE. Ean ta eixate diabasei -kai an eixate diabasei kai thn analytikh synenteyjh thn opoia edwse o Ypoyrgos Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn xqes, kaqws kai o Ypoyrgos Metaforwn kai Epikoinwniwn- qa diapistwnate oti einai mia symfwnia epwfelhs gia ton Ellhna polith kai to ellhniko dhmosio, h opoia epeteyxqh katopin ths tetraetoys prospaqeias poy egine prokeimenoy na orqopodhsei o organismos, gia na mporei na apotelei shmeio eljhs, etsi wste na agorastei ena pososto 3% poy poylhse h ellhnikh kybernhsh, apo mia megalh eyrwpaikh etaireia, mia megalh etaireia ths Germanias. Einai poly shmantikh ayth h ejelijh kai giati apodeiknyetai peritrana h empistosynh jenwn qesmikwn ependytwn sthn oikonomia kai sta osa exoyn diameifqei ta teleytaia tessera xronia sth shmantikh prospaqeia poy ekane h kybernhsh gia na sthrijei thn oikonomia kai se enan organismo opws einai o Organismos Thlepikoinwniwn Ellados. Qymizw oti molis jekinhse h prospaqeia ejygianshs toy organismoy, den htan liges ekeines oi fwnes poy kathgorhsan kai th dioikhsh -ton tote kai shmerino dioikhth, ton k. Boyrloymh alla kai thn kybernhsh synolika, giati ejygiane ton organismo. Ean den eixan symbei ayta, den qa mporoyse se kamia periptwsh na exoyme shmera symmetoxh mias megalhs jenhs etaireias, h opoia  epanalambanw- enisxyei kai ton organismo, alla kai thn eqnikh oikonomia, ara kai ton Ellhna polith.

ROYMELIWTHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, alhqeyei h plhroforia  poy an den kanw laqos einai sta ``NEA''- oti qa exei dikaiwma diplhs chfoy o Germanos manatzer se periptwsh isochfias;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Eginan xqes anakoinwseis, oi opoies dihrkhsan peripoy dyomish wres, mazi me tis erwthseis twn dhmosiografwn poy kalyptoyn ta reportaz twn dyo ypoyrgeiwn. Exei apanthqei kai ayto to erwthma. Ean diabasete ta osa exei pei o k. Alogoskoyfhs, qa diapistwsete  kai ayto einai kai se synexeia apanthshs poy doqhke sto erwthma toy k. Kakalh prohgoymenws kai jexasa na anaferqw- oti h ellhnikh pleyra exei th dynatothta na askhsei ta beto sta shmantika ekeina qemata poy aforoyn tis strathgikes epiloges toy organismoy gia to mellon. Kata synepeia, miloyme gia dioikhsh h opoia ginetai se synennohsh kai me tis dyo pleyres. Kai pantws sigoyra krataei h ellhnikh pleyra ayto to dikaiwma, na stamathsei thn opoiadhpote apo tis megales apofaseis qelhsei na parei o manatzer toy kaqhmerinoy manatzment toy OTE.

KAKALHS: Mas lete dhladh oti to kerdos gia ton ellhniko lao einai oti epanabebaiwqhke h empistosynh twn jenwn ependytwn sthn ellhnikh oikonomia kai isws kai sthn kybernhtikh politikh; Gi` ayto prepei na einai ikanopoihmenos o ellhnikos laos;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sas lew oti briskomaste se mia epoxh, thn opoia ofeiloyn oloi na katanohsoyn. Se mia epoxh, opoy ean kapoios prospaqhsei na meinei monos toy, qa ta kataferei, den lew, qa meinei monos toy, alla sto telos den qa ta kataferei epi ths oysias. Dhladh, qa eytelizei diarkws to eqniko proion, qa menei apomonwmenos sth gwnia ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs, xwris tis isxyres symmaxies poy xreiazontai shmera, th symmetoxh. Giati eseis to blepete, mallon, anapoda to qema. H oysia einai oti o OTE symmetexei, ginetai meros mias megalhs eyrwpaikhs epixeirhshs poy exei th dynatothta na pollaplasiasei oles aytes tis dynatothtes poy dhmioyrghse o idios o OTE me th systhmatikh doyleia poy egine.

FANIDHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, h Olympiakh Aeroporia pwleitai akomh; Kai to lew ayto, giati diabazoyme oti proslambanontai peripoy 5.000, gia thn akribeia 4.447 ypallhloi, me oktamhnh symbash. Omws, to megalytero problhma ths etaireias ola ayta ta xronia einai to yperogko xreos poy exei. Pws, loipon, ola ayta syndeontai metajy toys kai emeis ejakoloyqoyme na pisteyoyme oti h O.A. qa pwlhqei se kapoion, isws, idiwth poy qa qelhsei na balei xrhmata, otan fortwnetai twra me 5.000 proswpiko akomh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den gnwrizw ton ariqmo poy lete, alla einai piqanon  an anaferetai ayto poy lete se kapoio dhmosieyma- na mila to dhmosieyma gia tis epoxikes symbaseis oi opoies einai aparaithtes na ginontai se oles tis yphresies toy ellhnikoy dhmosioy. Qa parakaloysa na rwthsete sto armodio ypoyrgeio h na sas dwsw mia apanthsh ayrio.

KAKALHS: Milhsate gia dikaiwma beto se shmantika qemata, wstoso o idios o Koinotikos Epitropos k. Mak Kribi dhlwse prosfata oti ``ean idiwtikopoihqei o OTE  einai dikes toy lejeis- to Dhmosio den einai dynaton na diasfalizei zwtika eqnika symferonta ston tomea twn thlepikoinwniwn, mesw ths symfwnias twn metoxwn, estw kai an diathrhsei dikaiwmata meiochfias''. O k. Mak Kribi einai ektos pragmatikothtas;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Yparxei mia symfwnia sthn opoia h ellhnikh pleyra exei prodiagracei me safhneia ta shmeia ekeina sta opoia mporei na probalei beto. Ayto einai jekaqaro. Otan se mia symfwnia twn dyo mas, gnwrizoyme ek twn proterwn, poy mporeite eseis -kai poy mporw egw- na probalete beto, gnwrizoyme poly kala oti den einai mia akrith, dhladh mia aney orwn, symfwnia. Einai mia symfwnia me poly sygkekrimenoys oroys. Ayto einai to ena qema. To deytero qema einai oti o OTE enisxyqhke thn teleytaia tetraetia kai enisxyetai me ayth thn kinhsh. To trito qema einai oti qa prepei kaneis na gnwrizei pws eixe pwlhqei sthn idiwtikh agora, eixe dhladh idiwtikopoihqei sto Xrhmatisthrio, to 66% toy OTE, pragma to opoio shmainei oti tyxon epiqetikh ejagora dyo h triwn megalwn funds qa odhgoyse se mia katastash h opoia qa htan anejelegkth kai oxi se mia katastash apolytws elegxomenh apo thn ellhnikh pleyra, opws ayth h opoia odhgeitai, h opoia ginetai me th sygkekrimenh symfwnia.

ROYMELIWTHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, se etaireies poy emplekontai sto diatrofiko skandalo qa mpei loyketo; Opws p.x. gia thn etaireia (den akoygetai) Magnhsias, symfwna me thn eishghsh toy EFET;

ROYSOPOYLOS: O,ti problepetai apo to nomo, na eiste bebaios oti qa ginei sto apolyto orio toy nomoy.

TSIOYFOS: Milhsate prohgoymenws gia symfwnia epwfelh gia ton polith. H wfeleia ayth gia ton polith eyelpistei h kybernhsh oti qa yparxei kai sto epipedo twn timologiwn kai twn yphresiwn toy OTE; Gnwrizoyme oloi oti o OTE shmera einai shmantika akriboteros apo tis enallaktikes, legomenes, etaireies thlepikoinwniwn. Ayth h diafora poy yparxei sta timologia toys, pisteyete oti qa symptyxqei, oti, telos pantwn, qa mporesei o OTE meta th symfwnia ayth na einai antagwnistikos apenanti stis etaireies aytes kai na yparxei kai mia wfeleia profanws kai gia ton polith;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Opws gnwrizete, hdh, edw kai tria h tessera xronia, apo tote poy h Nea Dhmokratia einai kybernhsh, yparxei mia megalh prospaqeia se oloys toys dhmosioys organismoys na ginoyn antagwnistikoi. Akoysame, malista, kai polles epikriseis ep` aytwn, qewrwntas kapoioi th lejh ``antagwnismo'' ws apadoysa dhmosiwn yphresiwn h orismenwn dhmosiwn yphresiwn. Einai bebaion oti o antagwnismos wfelei. Kai einai bebaion oti otan organwnei kapoios systhmatika thn prospaqeia toy -ara o Organismos Thlepikoinwniwn Ellados organwnetai akomh pio systhmatika qa dhmioyrghsei kalyteres synqhkes sthn agora, ston antagwnismo, ara kai en telei kai stoys katanalwtes, gia na apanthsw sto erwthma sas.

ROYMELIWTHS: Eiste ikanopoihmenoi apo thn apodosh twn metrwn gia thn katapolemhsh ths akribeias; Ti xronodiagramma yparxei gi` ayta ta 41 metra kai an kriqoyn aneparkh, ti qa ginei meta;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Apo ta 41 metra exoyn hdh efarmostei ta 18 metra. Yparxei mia proodos se ayta poy exoyn efarmostei. Ayth thn wra, ginetai mia syskech sto grafeio toy Prwqypoyrgoy me th symmetoxh twn armodiwn ypoyrgoy kai yfypoyrgoy, toy k. Fwlia kai toy k. Blaxoy. Ejerxomenoi apo to Megaro Majimoy o k. Fwlias kai o k. Blaxos, o k. Fwlias qa probei se sxetikes dhlwseis.

KAKALHS: To dikaiwma beto ston OTE, symfwna me th symfwnia, xanetai otan to pososto toy Dhmosioy pesei katw apo 10% kai sto 5% xanei ola ta dikaiwmata. Aytes oi diatajeis giati perilambanontai sth symfwnia, afoy h kybernhsh ypotiqetai oti to apokleiei;

ROYSOPOYLOS: H kybernhsh apokleiei to na katebei to pososto sta pososta poy eipate eseis. Ayto apokleiei h kybernhsh kai pisteyw oti kai h opoia mellontikh kybernhsh sthn idia logikh qa kinhqei. Pantws, se kaqe periptwsh, qa prepei na synypologisoyme to eyrwpaiko periballon sto opoio briskomaste, thn eyrwpaikh nomologia kai tyxon problhmata poy mporei na yparxoyn se sxesh me ayth. Qelw na pw, dhladh, oti den mporei na kinoymeqa apenanti se qesmika organa me ta opoia emeis exoyme symfwnhsei orismena pragmata. Einai loipon ena erwthma to qema toy posostoy. Opws gnwrizete poly kala, yphrjan akomh kai enstaseis gia thn prospaqeia, proforikes entaseis. Den eida, toylaxiston egw, kati to opoio na analyetai graptws -mporei kai na yparxei, den to gnwrizw. Akomh kai h prwtoboylia gia th nomoqetikh ryqmish ths kybernhshs na mhn yperbei h MIG to 20%, h opoiadhpote idiwtikh epixeirhsh. Giati, qymaste poly kala oti periorisame me ena poly sygkekrimeno nomoqethma to pososto ekeino. Yparxoyn diaforetikes nomikes proseggiseis sthn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh. Ayto, omws, einai pragma to opoio, se o,ti afora ayth thn kybernhsh, den mporei para na exei thn apanthsh poy sas edwsa prohgoymenws kai pisteyw kai apo opoiadhpote mellontikh kybernhsh.

XIWTHS: Eipate prohgoymenws oti apo ta 41 metra kata ths akribeias exoyn efarmostei ta 18. Ayto shmainei oti eiste ikanopoihmenoi apo thn apodosh estw aytwn twn 18 metrwn, dioti diapistwnoyme oti to klima ths akribeias diogkwnetai;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Enw sebomai thn erwthsh h opoia ginetai synhqws to ``an einai ikanopoihmenos h oxi enas ypoyrgos h mia kybernhsh'' -allwste mallon ofeilw na omologhsw oti polles fores kai ws dhmosiografos einai bebaion oti thn ypebala kai egw- synolika apo to qema ths akribeias den mporei na einai ikanopoihmenh mia kybernhsh. Oi parametroi poy exoyn odhghsei sthn akribeia ths agoras einai gnwstes. H prospaqeia jekinhse me ayta ta metra h entatikopoihqhke me ayta ta metra, giati pote den afhsame thn prospaqeia na elegxqei h agora, etsi wste na pataxqei h kerdoskopia. Gnwrizoyme poly kala  to exw epanalabei, polles fores, qa sas koyrasw fobamai an to pw kai mia akoma, poly synoptika omws- oti sth shmerinh eleyqerh oikonomia, sthn eleyqerh agora, sthn agora sthn opoia metexoyme sthn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh, den yparxoyn times diatimhshs. Den yparxoyn prospaqeies antistoixes me ekeines twn dekaetiwn toy '50, toy '60, toy '70. Exei allajei teleiws h politikh proseggish twn oikonomikwn qematwn. Ekeino poy prepei na kanei mia xwra -kai ayth thn kateyqynsh dinoyn ta 41 metra- einai na enisxyei toys elegxoys. Na prospaqei na apotrepei toys kerdoskopoys, na paradeigmatizei. Prohgoymenws, akoysthke aifnhs paradeigma kapoias etaireias. Den exw sygkekrimenh apanthsh. Edwsa th genikh apanthsh, thn opoia kai pisteyw, me paradeigmata ta opoia einai arnhtika, anadeiknyontas ta -elpizw na mhn proskroysei sthn Arxh Prostasias Proswpikwn Dedomenwn- ws paradeigmata poy prepei na einai pros apofyghn. H prospaqeia einai pollaplh. Den analwnetai me eyxologia, oyte me megales koybentes. Pisteyw, loipon, oti ta metra, exontas arxisei na efarmozontai, apodidoyn se kapoio baqmo kai qa synexisoyn na apodidoyn akomh perissotero.

SPYRAKH: Gnwrizw oti hdh exete apanthsei se polles erwthseis gia ton OTE, alla egw qa hqela mia apanthsh poy qa exei kai to xarakthra ths politikhs desmeyshs. Akoysa, xqes, ton k. Alogoskoyfh na leei oti den einai stis proqeseis ths kybernhshs na meiwsei to pososto toy Dhmosioy ston OTE. Qelw na rwthsw to ejhs: Desmeyetai, apo thn pleyra sas ws Ekproswpoy ths kybernhshs, h kybernhsh oti mexri thn ejantlhsh ths tetraetias den qa kanei krish ths option poy dinei symfwnia gia thn ekxwrhsh toy 5% kai epipleon gia thn ekxwrhsh toy alloy 10% ews to 2011;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qewrw oti einai apolyth h dhlwsh poy ekane o ypoyrgos Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn. Den nomizw oti xwra polles ermhneies. Kai se ayth th dhlwsh menw kai egw kai epimenw.

KAKALHS: Exoyn perasei toses hmeres me to diatrofiko skandalo me to hlielaio kai akomh den jeroyme poy katanalwqhkan 700 tonoi apo to molysmeno hlielaio kai epishs einai agnwsto se posa kai poia proionta exei xrhsimopoihqei. Ayth thn katastash poy thn apodidei h kybernhsh kai ti eggyatai oti ena paromoio skandalo den brisketai se ejelijh h den qa epanalhfqei;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qymaste oti rwthqhka prin apo dyo h treis hmeres sto press room kai eipa oti qa apanthsw sto keimeno ths idias hmeras. Edwsa thn idia hmera apanthsh. Isws thn eidate, isws oxi. Yparxei polyselidh anakoinwsh apo ton yfypoyrgo k. Blaxo, h opoia anaferetai sto poy katanalwqhkan ayta ta megeqh poy anaferate prohgoymenws kai ta opoia gnwrizoyn oloi. Se o,ti afora to deytero skelos ths erwthshs sas, den gnwrizw na sas pw. Qa exw mia akomh syzhthsh me ton k. Fwlia kai ton k. Blaxo mhpws exw kapoia perissotera pragmata na sas pw.

KAKALHS: Epishs, sas eixa rwthsei xqes, me poion tropo prostateyete ton katanalwth, th stigmh poy o EFET exei kalycei mono to 30% toy problepomenoy proswpikoy, enw to Geniko Xhmeio toy Kratoys qelei dyo mhnes na kanei tis analyseis toy.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den eimai proxeiros na sas apanthsw. Qa sas dwsw apanthsh mexri ayrio.

TSIOYFOS: Eipate prohgoymenws -kai einai swsto- oti se mia eleyqerh agora gia to qema ths akribeias ayto poy mporei na kanei mia kybernhsh einai na parembainei, na enisxyei toys elegxoys, prokeimenoy na apotrecei thn kerdoskopia. Omws, akomh kai to Sabbatokyriako poy mas perase, poy htan kati parapanw apo sigoyro oti qa eixame fainomena kerdoskopias logw ths apergias twn bytioforwn sta benzinadika, osoi eixan pwloysan oso hqelan, akomh kai ekei eidame oti to rolo ayto ton elegktiko h telos pantwn to na doyme ti ginetai sthn agora ton epaijan kai pali ta MME kai oxi oi elegktikoi mhxanismoi ths kybernhshs. Jerate oti qa yparjoyn tetoia fainomena. Yphrxe ligh benzinh sthn agora, kapoioi qa prospaqoysan na kerdoskophsoyn, alla oyte tote bghkan kapoia synergeia na apotrecoyn aytoys toys kerdoskopoys. Antiqeta, ta MME htan pali ayta poy ebgalan o,ti ebgalan, tis opoies periptwseis kerdoskopias.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Prwton, den amfisbhthse pote kaneis th shmasia, se kaqe Dhmokratia, toy roloy twn MME. Deyteron, den mporw na gnwrizw leptomereies gia to ean kai poies epixeirhseis elegxqhkan. Ara, qa rwthsw kai qa sas apanthsw. Triton, to gegonos oti kati den proballetai, den shmainei oti den exei ginei kiolas. Dhladh, mh fqasoyme sto akraio ekeino paradeigma na pisteyoyme oti h eidhsh einai mono o,ti exei problhqei apo thn thleorash. Sas anaferw ena paradeigma to opoio proxeira moy erxetai sto myalo. To aposyndew apo to qema poy eipame, paroti einai sto sxetiko xwro. Kai to aposyndew giati den exw ta plhrh stoixeia. Qa maqw apo toys elegxoys gia na sas dwsw stoixeia gia to poioi elegxoi eginan, an eginan, an breqhkan parabaseis k.t.l. Qymamai poly kala oti egine para poly megalh syzhthsh sta MME, kategrafhsan se prwtoselida, se pentasthla, se reportaz, se anafores stis thleoraseis kai ta radiofwna, problhmata ta opoia dhmioyrgoyse h qa dhmioyrgoyse h ryqmish ths kybernhshs gia to petrelaio qermanshs kai to petrelaio kinhshs. Den qymamai na kategrafh se kapoio pentasthlo, se kapoio prwtoselido, se kapoio polywro deltio eidhsewn, to gegonos oti h efarmogh toy metroy aytoy poy efere h kybernhsh, to Genarh kai to Flebarh, apedeije pws to 30% toy petrelaioy kinhshs ayjhqhke. Eixame, dhladh, ayjhsh katanalwshs kata 30% sto petrelaio kinhshs. Ti shmainei ayto; Oti mexri ekeinh th stigmh, epi seira pollwn etwn kapoioi ekleban to petrelaio qermanshs kai to xrhsimopoioysan gia petrelaio kinhshs. Dhladh, ekleban to ellhniko Dhmosio, ton kratiko Proypologismo, toys Ellhnes forologoymenoys poy einai entimoi, giati apo aytoys ta epairnan, den ta epairnan apo thn tseph kapoioy sygkekrimenoy ypoyrgoy h kapoias sygkekrimenhs kybernhshs ths Neas Dhmokratias shmera h toy PASOK xqes. Ara, loipon, qelw na pw pws to gegonos oti den kategrafh ayto se prwtoselida, se reportaz ths thleorashs kai toy radiofwnoy, den shmainei oti den egine kiolas. Ayto einai mia genikh parathrhsh, omws. Allwste, isws yperbainw kai ta eskammena, dioti edw den einai o rolos moy na kanw maqhma se kanenan kai den exei kamia tetoia ennoia ayto. Aplws to shmeiwnw, mias kai moy eipate oti to edeijan oi thleoraseis, dhladh oti eginan oi elegxoi apo ta MME, enw den leitoyrghse o elegktikos mhxanismos poy qa eprepe na leitoyrghsei.

TSIOYFOS: Den eipa ayto. Htan kati parapanw apo bebaio oti qa eixame tetoia fainomena. Den eprepe na bgoyn synergeia ejw, wste na apotrecoyn aytoys toys kerdoskopoys;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Dystyxws, den gnwrizw an bghkan kai desmeyqhka na to brw kai na sas apanthsw. Giati an bghkan, fantazomai den exei bash kai h erwthsh.

XIWTHS: To gegonos oti meiwqhke kapws to pososto ekeinwn poy ekleban sta kaysima den shmainei oti den yparxei mia anhsyxia gia aytoys poy kleboyn sta rafia twn soyper market h gia aytoys poy etoimazontai na klecoyn to kalokairi stis aktoploikes sygkoinwnies. Akoyga to prwi ton ekproswpo twn aktoploikwn etairiwn na leei oti ta kaysima ayjhqhkan kata 400% apaitwntas profanws toso yperogkes ayjhseis. Antilambaneste oti h anhsyxia twn politwn me mikro eisodhma einai poly megalh kai se ayto den jerw an mono h entatikopoihsh twn elegxwn mporei na apodwsei kati.

ROYSOPOYLOS: To ``kapws'' gia na jekinhsw thn parathrhsh moy me thn arxh ths erwthsh sas, otan einai 30%, einai kapws megalo, den einai aplws ``kapws''. Ara, apodeiknyetai oti yparxei mia politikh parembashs se pragmatiko problhma to opoio o Ellhnas poliths mporei na mhn to niwsei amesws shmera h ayrio sthn tseph toy, alla einai bebaio oti qa to niwsei ston proypologismo to ellhniko Dhmosio. Kata ta loipa nomizw oti oi apanthseis poy exw dwsei kalyptoyn kai ayto poy eipate. Ektos an proteinete na mpoyme se logikes diatimhshs oi opoies omws, opws jerete, den epitrepontai apo thn Eyrwpaikh Enwsh opoy briskomaste.

XIWTHS: Diekrina sthn arxikh sas topoqethsh mia antifash. Apo thn mia lete yparxei eleyqerh agora, ara den mporoyme na paremboyme stis times, poy einai swsto, kai apo thn allh h kybernhsh monh ths diafhmise 41 metra gia thn katapolemhsh ths akribeias. Apodeiknyetai oti apo ta 41 metra toylaxiston ta 20 h den exoyn efarmostei h den qa apodwsoyn.

ROYSOPOYLOS: To eipame kai ekeines tis hmeres oti ena metro, den mporei na efarmostei apo thn mia mera sthn allh. Yparxoyn polloi sygkekrimenoi logoi gia toys opoioys ena metro den mporei na efarmostei apo thn mia mera sthn allh kai oxi giati odhgei kapoion h oligwria. Alla antilambaneste oti otan problepeis, as poyme, toys pinakes oi opoioi qa gnwstopoioyn se kaqe agora thn timh enos ekastoy proiontos, ayto den mporei na ginei apo thn mia mera sthn allh. Prepei na ginei mia seira diadikasiwn apo to ellhniko dhmosio, apo tis armodies yphresies, gia na ginei h promhqeia twn pinakwn. Sas lew ena poly aplo pragma.

XIWTHS: Eiste aisiodojos;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Me janarwthsate an eimai aisiodojos kai qewrw oti exw dwsei apanthsh.

XIWTHS: Prin sas rwthsa an eiste ikanopoihmenos, twra sas rwtw an eiste aisiodojos.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den gnwrizw giati exete ayto to endiaferon gia ta cyxika moy synaisqhmata, en pash periptwsei den exoyn kai tosh megalh shmasia.

KAKALHS: Mporeite na mas peite posa kerdise o kratikos proypologismos apo ayth th ryqmish gia ta petrelaioeidh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Mporw na rwthsw to ypoyrgeio Oikonomikwn kai na sas apanthsw. Alla pantws ton Ianoyario kai to Febroyario...

KAKALHS: (den akoygetai) den ta gnwrizete;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ton Ianoyario kai to Febroyario na exoyme 30% ayjhsh ths katanalwshs toy petrelaioy kinhshs, antilambaneste oti to 1/3 dhladh toy posoy petrelaioy htan kinhshs kai to ypejairetan kapoioi kai to ebazan sthn tseph toys, xrhsimopoiwntas petrelaio qermanshs. Ayto den einai eis baros toy Ellhna polith, toy Ellhna katanalwth;

KAKALHS: Den amfisbhtw to metro. Leme posa kerdise o proypologismos.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qelete se apolyto ariqmo. Qa to brw kai qa sas to apanthsw.

Sas eyxaristw.

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