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Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Paraskeyh, 11 Aprilioy 2008

Ariqmos Deltioy: 131228459

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ANAPLHRWTHS KYBERNHTIKOS EKPROSWPOS

Aqhna, 11 Aprilioy 2008

Xairete.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

ARMENHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, me aformh tis diapragmateyseis poy ginontai me th DEUTSCHE TELEKOM gia ton OTE, o k. Bgenopoylos askhse agwgh kata toy k. Tsipra kai qelw na rwthsw, an exei kaq` oiondhpote tropo bash agwgh kata politikoy arxhgoy, alla kai kata toy thleoptikoy staqmoy STAR, apo ton opoio o k. Bgenopoylos zhtaei 150 ekatommyria eyrw, se mia prospaqeia fimwshs ths eleyqerhs dhmosiografias.

ANTWNAROS: H qesh ths kybernhshs einai gnwsth kai jekaqarh apo thn prwth stigmh. Dhlwsame eyqys ej arxhs oti den qa dexqoyme thn epiqetikh agora metoxwn, xwris orio, poy diakriname na ginetai sto xwro toy OTE. Kai gnwrizete oloi oti einai h kybernhsh ths Neas Dhmokratias ekeinh poy efere sth Boylh nomo, o opoios den epitrepei agora metoxwn etaireiwn strathgikhs shmasias poy diaxeirizontai ypodomes kai diktya, peran toy posostoy toy 20%, xwris thn prohgoymenh egkrish ths armodias Diypoyrgikhs Epitrophs. H stash mas -to epanalambanw gia mia akomh fora- einai staqerh apo thn arxh. Ekeinoi poy synexws allazoyn qesh, apoceis kai topoqethseis -kai den einai h prwth fora poy to kanoyn- einai to komma ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs. Sthn arxh, oloi qa qymaste, epekrinan thn kybernhsh, giati den stamatame thn epiqetikh ejagora metoxwn toy OTE, h opoia -sas ypenqymizw- ginotan sthn eleyqerh agora. Molis balame stop sthn epiqetikh ejagora, allajan qesh, epikrinontas tote thn kybernhsh kai isxyrizomenoi, metajy twn allwn, oti yparxoyn enstaseis, empodia, diaforetikes apoceis apo to xwro ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs, xwris na analogizontai thn prostasia twn eqnikwn symferontwn. Den perasan treis mhnes kai allazoyn pali qesh. Aytes oi metamorfwseis -sas to exw pei kai sto parelqon- den mas ekplhssoyn, giati einai xarakthristikes gia ton tropo poy politeyetai to komma ths ajiwmatikhs antipoliteyshs.

Se o,ti afora thn oysia toy erwthmatos sas, qa hqela na kanw orismenes parathrhseis:

Prwton, den qa sxoliasw fysika prajeis kanenos polith, efoson oi prajeis aytes kinoyntai sto plaisio toy Syntagmatos kai twn nomwn.

Deyteron, h dhmosiografia exei thn eleyqeria ths kritikhs kaqe gegonotos, opws epishs ths kritikhs kinhsewn toso politikwn oso kai allwn proswpwn, poy apasxoloyn to dhmosio bio. To dikaiwma diatypwshs, eleyqera, ths apochs den mporei na teqei ypo amfisbhthsh. H eleyqerh ekfrash olwn, eite dhmosiografwn, eite politikwn, eite allwn politwn, einai stoixeio ths Dhmokratias.

Triton, ta zhthmata poy moy anaferate kai oloi eidame na ektylissontai apo xqes, den antimetwpizontai me tetoies praktikes. Emeis, pantws, den symmerizomaste na kataqetei kaneis agwgh se enan politiko arxhgo, epeidh askei politikh kritikh.

GARGALAKOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, wstoso, eseis ajiopoihsate ton k. Bgenopoylo, prokeimenoy na ginei h metabibash toy paketoy poy kateixe ston OTE, sth germanikh epixeirhsh, sto germaniko kolosso kai malista, o k. Bgenopoylos apo ayth thn ypoqesh, ebgale arketa ekatommyria eyrw kai twra, opws blepoyme, jifoylkei kai parapera. Den qa eprepe na katadikasete toylaxiston ayth th symperifora toy epixeirhmatia;

ANTWNAROS: H erwthsh sas perilambanei stoixeia ta opoia den exoyn kamia apolytws sxesh me thn pragmatikothta. Sth synolikh moy topoqethsh anaferqhka sta pragmatika stoixeia. Profanws, kai den to lew ayto kaqoloy me th morfh momfhs, den eiste plhrws enhmeros, pws apokthqhke ayto to pososto metoxwn toy OTE. Apokthqhke, opws sas eipa, sthn eleyqerh agora. Kai opoios apokta metoxes sthn eleyqerh agora, to ti kanei apo ekei kai pera me aytes tis metoxes, mesa sta oria poy eqese akribws, opws sas eipa, h kybernhsh, afora ton idio. Synepws, o ypainigmos ton opoio kanete gia dhqen synallagh, den exei kamia apolytws bash.

KAKALHS: Eipate, to pososto apokthqhke sthn eleyqerh agora, alla ti sxesh exei me toys kanones ths eleyqerhs agoras, to gegonos na agorazei panw apo th xrhmatisthriakh ajia; Giati, jerete poly kala, oti agorase me premium, opws lene, poly panw apo thn trexoysa xrhmatisthriakh ajia. Pws qa to ekane ayto h germanikh etaireia, an den hjere oti qa parei kai to manatzment; Den htan fanero oti yparxei prosynennohsh me thn kybernhsh;

ANTWNAROS: Prwton, den qa sas kanw egw kamia analysh gia ton tropo me ton opoio leitoyrgoyn oi xrhmatisthriakes agores. Eimai bebaios oti exete arketh peira gia na jerete pws leitoyrgoyn oi agores. To deytero qema to opoio qetete kai afora ton OTE kai to rolo ton opoio, endexomenws, qa diadramatisei mia etaireia megalhs embeleias kai megalhs peiras, opws einai h DEUTSCHE TELEKOM, sto mellon, ayto afora tis synennohseis tis opoies diejagoyn oi Ypoyrgoi k. Alogoskoyfhs kai k. Xatzhdakhs. Kai se ayta exei anaferqei o k. Alogoskoyfhs. Den exw na pw tipote parapanw.

KAKALHS: Den qelate, eipate, na ginei epiqetikh ejagora gia ton OTE, akribws gia na mhn paei se arabika kefalia, ta opoia ekproswpoyse h MARFIN. Dhladh, twra poy paei sto germaniko kolosso, den einai jepoylhma;

ANTWNAROS: Kyrie Kakalh, eyxaristws qa sas steilw sto grafeio sas thn apomagnhtofwnhsh ths akriboys apanthshs poy edwsa.

KAKALHS: Akoysa ti eipate, alla thn apanthsh moy eseis den akoyte.

TSORAKHS: Gia ena allo qema. Pws sxoliazei h kybernhsh tis apeyqeias anaqeseis ergwn apo to YPEXWDE;

ANTWNAROS: Se ti anafereste akribws;

TSORAKHS: Stis anaqeseis poy eginan ston mhxaniko toy k. Soyflia.

ANTWNAROS: Gi` ayto to qema exei dwsei plhrh kai eparkh apanthsh xqes, o Genikos Grammateas toy YPEXWDE k. Katsigiannhs, sthn opoia kai sas parapempw.

PALAIOLOGOS: Hqela na rwthsw, epeidh egine h synanthsh shmera toy Prwqypoyrgoy me ton Ypoyrgo Politismoy k. Liaph kai ton armodio gia qemata aqlhtismoy Yfypoyrgo k. Iwannidh, gia to qema ths tropologias toy ntopingk, ti akribws perilambanei; Perilambanei aysthropoihsh twn metrwn poy afora paraptwmata paragontwn toy aqlhtismoy h, qa legame, proswpwn ta opoia ferontai sthn prwth grammh;

ANTWNAROS: Ekanan analytikh enhmerwsh gia to ti syzhthsan me ton Prwqypoyrgo o Ypoyrgos kai o Yfypoyrgos, meta th synanthsh toys.

PALAIOLOGOS: Eipan mono oti qa yparjei mia tropologia, qa katateqei mia tropologia. Den egine safes to ti qa perilambanei.

ANTWNAROS: Anaferqhkan kai se alla qemata, sta opoia...

PALAIOLOGOS: Den aneferan se ti qa afora ayth h tropologia.

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na pw perissotera apo osa eipan oi Ypoyrgoi.

PALAIOLOGOS: Qa mpei dhladh ``to maxairi sto kokkalo'';

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na prosqesw kati se osa eipan oi Ypoyrgoi, oi opoioi anaferqhkan. Qelete na sas diabasw tis dhlwseis; Eyxaristws, na to kanw.

KAKALHS: Oi Ypoyrgoi eipan oti hrqe h wra na qespisoyme amesa to qesmiko plaisio, gia na exoyme ygih aqlhtismo kai kaqaroys aqlhtes, htan to nohma. Meta apo tessera xronia qa qespistei ayto to qesmiko plaisio; Meta apo tessera xronia; Tosa xronia, dhladh, synainoysate kai anexosaste na yparxei ntoparisma ston aqlhtismo;

ANTWNAROS: Asfalws kai oxi. Kai jerete oti h shmerinh kybernhsh einai ayth, h opoia exei analabei sygkekrimenes prwtoboylies. Anaferqhke, proxqes molis, se ayth edw thn aiqoysa o k. Roysopoylos. Den exei nohma na epanalambanoyme ta idia kai ta idia pragmata.

KAKALHS: Ma, den eixate analabei prwtoboylies. Twra analambanete, lete. Twra analambanete qesmiko plaisio.

ANTWNAROS: Parakalw. Jexnate fainetai, me tinos prwtoboylia prowqhqhke to kentro elegxoy to opoio yparxei.

FANIDHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, qa epanelqw ligo sto qema me ton k. Soyflia, me to ayqaireto. Eipate prin, parapemcate, stis dhlwseis poy ekane o k. Katsigiannhs. Symfwna, loipon, me tis dhlwseis poy ekane, thn anakoinwsh poy ejedwse, fainetai oti o texnikos symboylos k. Metajas, paroti eixe symfwnhsei na parei kapoies amoibes, oi opoies htan arketa ychles, mikroteres apo oti eixan symfwnhqei, telika den tis elabe pote. Malista, ws basiko epixeirhma einai oti o k. Metajas doyleyei tzampa, doyleyei dwrean.

ANTWNAROS: Den gnwrizw ayto to sygkekrimeno zhthma.

FANIDHS: Etsi anagrafetai sthn apanthsh toy k. Katsigiannh. Einai logiko ayto;

ANTWNAROS: Egw gnwrizw thn apanthsh. Kai sthn apanthsh, opws sas eipa, perilambanontai plhrh kai eparkh stoixeia.

FANIDHS: Nai, hqela na rwthsw to ejhs: Ean einai logiko ayto, kyrie Ekproswpe, na doyleyei kapoios dwrean gia to ellhniko Dhmosio; Egw, prwth fora to akoyw, pantws.

ANTWNAROS: Den nomizw oti apodidete plhrws to periexomeno ths epistolhs.

GKATSIOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, oson afora sto qema ths ejoxikhs katoikias toy k. Soyflia sthn Anabysso, yparxoyn dyo metra kai dyo staqma ths kybernhshs; Giati, an qymhqoyme thn antidrash, ton tropo poy antedrase h kybernhsh oson afora sto spiti toy k. Maggina, blepoyme kapoia diaforetikh antidrash sto qema toy k. Soyflia;

ANTWNAROS: Oi dyo ypoqeseis einai entelws diaforetikes. Qa pw gia mia akomh fora, oti einai gnwsto to hqos kai h akeraiothta toy k. Soyflia. Kai ayto to eixa pei hdh, an qymamai kala, ton perasmeno Oktwbrio, apantwntas se sxetikh erwthsh poy moy egine ston idio xwro. O k. Soyflias den xtizei ayqaireta. Eixe adeia gia na xtisei dyo spitia twn 60 tm. to kaqena kai ktizei ena twn 110 tm. Oi apanthseis poy edwse o k. Soyflias gia ola ayta ta zhthmata hdh apo ton perasmeno Oktwbrio, alla kai xqes, einai plhrhs kai kalyptoyn to qema. H kybernhsh sthrizei apolyta ton k. Soyflia.

GARGALAKOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, h katadikh ths xwras apo to Eyrwpaiko Dikasthrio Anqrwpinwn Dikaiwmatwn, sxetika me ayth thn polykroth ypoqesh twn leykwn chfodeltiwn, poy kata thn antipoliteysh odhghsan se alloiwsh toy eklogikoy apotelesmatos, qewreite oti ayth h apofash ekqetei thn kybernhsh poy yperaspisthke sto Strasboyrgo ayth thn ypoqesh;

ANTWNAROS: Qa hqela na ypenqymisw ta pragmatika peristatika. Oti prokeitai dhladh gia mia apofash toy Anwtatoy Eidikoy Dikasthrioy ths xwras mas, ep` aytoy toy qematos. Kai einai fysiko, opws antilambaneste, apofaseis twn ellhnikwn dikasthriwn na tis yperaspizetai h xwra otan egkaleitai enwpion dikasthriwn sto ejwteriko. Me bash ayth thn apofash, qa mporoyse h shmerinh kybernhsh na eixe afhsei thn katastash opws exei. Na mhn kanei tipote. Antiqeta, einai h shmerinh kybernhsh, h opoia anelabe thn prwtoboylia na proteinei sth Boylh, wste na chfistei, me genikh apodoxh, sxetikh diatajh ston eklogiko nomo, symfwna me thn opoia den synypologizontai ta leyka chfodeltia.

GARGALAKOS: H adikia, omws, gia aytoys poy plhrwsan olh ayth thn ypoqesh, toys sygkekrimenoys boyleytes, den paremeine;

ANTWNAROS: Ayto poy apokaleite etsi, edrazetai, opws sas eipa, se mia apofash toy Anwtatoy Eidikoy Dikasthrioy. Egw den synhqizw oyte na syzhtw, oyte na qetw ypo amfisbhthsh prajeis, apofaseis h leitoyrgies ths ellhnikhs Dikaiosynhs.

PALAIOLOGOS: Qa epanelqw sto qema toy ntopingk. H kybernhsh qewrei pws h anaprosarmogh, h ananewsh toy qesmikoy plaisioy qa lysei to problhma toy ntopingk h telika einai kati baqytero; Kai me aformh thn istoria ayth poy zoyme twra oloi, h opoia einai kai qliberh syn tois allois, qa apodoqoyn eyqynes opoy dei;

ANTWNAROS: H politikh boylhsh ths kybernhshs, wste na lhfqoyn ola ta aparaithta metra, h politikh boylhsh toy Prwqypoyrgoy, einai dedomenh kai pera apo opoiadhpote amfisbhthsh.

KAKALHS: O k. Mpraiza, milwntas xqes sto Synedrio toy EKONOMIST, eipe oti h amerikanikh kybernhsh parenebh stis diapragmateyseis gia thn onomasia ths PGDM, antapokrinomenh se epishmo aithma twn kybernhsewn ths Aqhnas, twn Skopiwn kai toy Maqioy Nimits. Exei ypobalei tetoio aithma h kybernhsh na emplakoyn stis diapragmateyseis kai giati qelei toys Amerikanoys mesa stis diapragmateyseis gia thn onomasia.

ANTWNAROS: H kybernhsh, opws gnwrizete, sthrizei apolyta kai metexei epoikodomhtika kai qetika sth diadikasia, h opoia brisketai edw kai poly kairo se ejelijh, katw apo thn aigida toy Organismoy Hnwmenwn Eqnwn. Kai opws gnwrizete, eimaste ekeinoi oi opoioi exoyme dianysei, opws eipe o Prwqypoyrgos, to kommati ths diadromhs poy mas antistoixei, wste na ejeyreqei h lysh. Elpizoyme, loipon, na antapokriqei kai h allh pleyra stis desmeyseis tis opoies exei analabei, wste na ejeyreqei h prosdokomenh lysh.

KAKALHS: Me sygxwreite, allo rwthsa: Ean ypobalate aithma gia na emplakoyn oi Amerikanoi stis diapragmateyseis.

ANTWNAROS: Kai sas eipa oti emeis sthrizoyme th diadikasia, h opoia lambanei xwra, ypo th skeph toy Organismoy Hnwmenwn Eqnwn. Opoios allos qelei na prosferei tis yphresies toy -to exoyme pei kai sto parelqon, prin apo to Boykoyresti, to eipame kai meta to Boykoyresti, ejakoloyqei kai isxyei- symmaxos, etairos, opoios qelei na prosferei tis yphresies toy pros ayth thn kateyqynsh thn opoia emeis epidiwkoyme, einai kalodexoymenos.

GKATSIOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, yparxei mia epistolh toy Ypoyrgoy Ejwterikwn twn Skopiwn Antonio Milosofski, pros toys omologoys toy sto NATO, sthn opoia anaferei, zhtei na yposthrijoyn peraiterw thn amesh prosxwrhsh ths ``Makedonias'', opws thn apokalei, mesa sto NATO, diathrwntas to dikaiwma toy ston eqniko ayto prosdiorismo kai th glwssikh taytothta. Yparxei kapoio sxolio ths kybernhshs;

ANTWNAROS: H Ellada, qa to pw gia mia akomh fora, einai ekeinh h opoia sthrizei ton eyrwatlantiko prosanatolismo ths geitonikhs xwras. Kai ayto qa pragmatopoihqei, efoson h geitonikh xwra dwsei apta deigmata ths symperiforas kalhs geitonias, thn opoia prepei na epideijei, symballontas kai ekeinh, opws eipa, molis pro oligoy, apofasistika, oysiastika, apotelesmatika sthn ejeyresh mias koina apodekths onomasias. Synepws, th megalyterh symbolh pros ayth thn kateyqynsh, prepei oi idioi oi iqynontes ths geitonikhs xwras na thn exoyn.

FANIDHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, o arxhgos toy PASOK, k. Papandreoy, twra teleytaia kathgorei toso to shmerino oso kai ton prwhn Ypoyrgo Ejwterikwn ths xwras mas, thn k. Mpakogiannh kai ton k. Molybiath gia diglwssia sto qema twn Skopiwn kai genikotera gia energeies poy exoyn ginei. Yparxei kapoia apanthsh se ayto;

ANTWNAROS: Polloi jenoi hgetes kai Ypoyrgoi Ejwterikwn, oi opoioi exoyn enhmerwqei olo ayto to diasthma gia tis ellhnikes qeseis, exoyn na poyn poso jekaqarh kai peistikh einai h ellhnikh qesh.

KAKALHS: Epishs, o k. Mpraiza, eipe, kathgorhse mallon thn kybernhsh oti diaprattei tragiko sfalma epeidh to 80% toy fysikoy aerioy proerxetai apo th GASPROM. H kybernhsh kineitai sthn kateyqynsh na epanorqwsei ayto to sfalma kai etsi ejhgeitai to tajidi toy k. Fwlia sto Azermpaitzan;

ANTWNAROS: H kybernhsh akoloyqei sygkekrimenh energeiakh politikh, thn opoia kai efarmozei. Me apta apotelesmata, sygkekrimena apotelesmata, metatrepontas thn Ellada ta teleytaia xronia, opws einai gnwsto se oloys, se ena poly shmantiko energeiako kombo. H politikh ayth einai apotelesma enos poly kaloy sxediasmoy, synepoys ylopoihshs oswn programmatizontai kai sygkekrimenwn stoxwn, toys opoioys exoyme qesei.

KAKALHS: Symmerizeste thn apoch oti einai sfalma na einai to 80% apo thn GASPROM;

ANTWNAROS: Ayto to symperasma bgalate apo thn apanthsh poy sas edwsa;

KAKALHS: Den eisaste safhs.

ANTWNAROS: Sas eipa oti sxediazoyme me synepeia mia sygkekrimenh energeiakh politikh, thn opoia kai ylopoioyme.

Sas eyxaristw.

Kalo Sabbatokyriako.

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