Greek Government Press Briefing, 08-03-13

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Pempth, 13 Martioy 2008

Ariqmos Deltioy: 125986047

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ANAPLHRWTHS KYBERNHTIKOS EKPROSWPOS

Aqhna, 13 Martioy 2008

Xairete.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

KAPRALOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, qa hqela na rwthsw, an meta apo thn apofash poy phre h GENOP - DEH kai h POE-OTA, an h kybernhsh protiqetai na epanejetasei to metro ths epistrateyshs ws esxato meso antimetwpishs ayths ths katastashs.

ANTWNAROS: Exei apanthsei hdh, apo xqes, o Kybernhtikos Ekproswpos. H apanthsh ayth isxyei. Perimenoyme apo toys ergazomenoys na antapokriqoyn sto kaqhkon to opoio exoyn apenanti sto koinwniko synolo kai na epistrecoyn stis ergasies toys.

A. PAPADHMHTRIOY: Epeidh, omws, ap` o,ti fainetai den einai proqymoi na kanoyn ayto to opoio toys parotrynete na kanoyn, se ti qa probei h kybernhsh; Qa kanei kati;

ANTWNAROS: Den exw na kanw kanena allo sxolio. Qa hqela, omws, epeidh moy dinete thn eykairia, na anaferqw ektenestera sto qema twn ergazomenwn stoys tomeis kaqariothtas twn dhmwn. Gnwrizete oti me tropologia thn opoia kateqese h kybernhsh, dinetai oristikh lysh, ylopoieitai mia desmeysh thn opoia exei analabei h shmerinh kybernhsh, edw kai polloys mhnes, wste na xarakthristoyn kathgories ergazomenwn stoys tomeis kaqariothtas, ws ergazomenoi se Barea kai Anqygieina Epaggelmata. Einai h ikanopoihsh enos aithmatos, to opoio xronize edw kai 17 xronia, ean den me apata h mnhmh moy. Kai meta apo thn ikanopoihsh aytoy toy aithmatos, poy einai ena apo 25 aithmata twn ergazomenwn sto sygkekrimeno tomea, poy exei ikanopoihsei h shmerinh kybernhsh apo to 2004 kai meta, den yparxei apolytws kamia dikaiologia gia th synexish ths kinhtopoihshs, gia thn apoxh twn ergazomenwn stoys tomeis kaqariothtas apo to kaqhkon poy exoyn apenanti sto koinwniko synolo, apenanti se oloys toys Ellhnes polites.

GKOYTZANHS: An exw katalabei kala, akoygontas toys ekproswpoys toys, to na mpoyn sta Barea kai Anqygieina shmaine oti qa meiwqei to orio syntajiodothshs toys. Me to nomosxedio poy fernete eseis, ayto to orio oytws h allws ayjanetai, dhladh, ekeinoi kai poy mpainoyn sta Barea kai Anqygieina, den kerdizoyn tipote.

ANTWNAROS: Ayto poy leme ``asfalistikh metarryqmish'', dhladh to asfalistiko nomosxedio, den exei kamia sxesh me th sygkekrimenh omada ergazomenwn. Synepws, h synexish ths apergias kai malista, opws th xarakthrizoyn polloi apo aytoys, ws antiqesh sto asfalistiko nomosxedio, odhgei --nomizw-- kaqe polith poy skeftetai logika sto symperasma oti edw exoyme mia politikh apergia. Kati poy, bebaiws, einai aparadekto.

GKOYTZANHS: Giati einai aparadektes oi politikes apergies;

ANTWNAROS: Den qa kanw analysh twn orwn. Omws, h stash ayth deixnei oti o logos gia ton opoio eixan kinhtopoihqei mexri twra, profanws htan prosxhmatikos.

A. PAPADHMHTRIOY: Oi idioi pantws lene oti toys afora amesa h asfalistikh metarryqmish, kaqws antidroyn sthn enopoihsh toy epikoyrikoy toys tameioy. Ayto lene oi idioi.

ANTWNAROS: Opws sas dieykrinisa kai prohgoymenws, yparxoyn 25 aithmata poy xronizan, 17 oloklhra xronia, gia toys ergazomenoys stoys OTA kai ta opoia oi kybernhseis mexri to 2004 den hqelan na aggijoyn. Qa sas pw, loipon, merika apo ayta ta aithmata, ta opoia exei ylopoihsei h shmerinh kybernhsh: Ena apo ayta aforoyse sthn enswmatwsh toy eklogikoy epidomatos toys sta kat` apokophn ejoda kinhshs. Ayto egine hdh me apofash poy dhmosieyqhke stis 13/07/2005. Zhtoysan, epishs, na yparjei misqologio eidikoy episthmonikoy proswpikoy twn OTA, me sxesh ergasias idiwtikoy dikaioy aoristoy xronoy. Ayto egine sta plaisia ths Syllogikhs Symbashs Ergasias to 2005. Zhtoysan th syntajh neoy Kwdika Katastashs Dhmotikwn kai Koinotikwn Ypallhlwn. Ayto egine me to nomo 3320/2005, o opoios, metajy twn allwn, perilambanei 32 kainotomies. Zhtoysan thn enswmatwsh sta kat` apokophn ejoda kinhshs, ths paroxhs se xrhma twn meswn atomikhs prostasias kai th mh perikoph twn ejodwn kinhshs ths adeias kyhshs kai loxeias. Ayto egine me thn yp` ariqmon 2/50025/0022/3-10-2006 me thn Koinh Ypoyrgikh Apofash poy dhmosieyqhke stis 6/10/2006 sthn Efhmerida ths Kybernhsews. Zhtoysan thn epektash twn Koinwn Ypoyrgikwn Apofasewn gia ta mesa atomikhs prostasias kai kat` apokophn ejoda kinhshs kai sto proswpiko idiwtikoy dikaioy twn OTA. Ikanopoihqhke kai ayto to aithma, me thn ypografh Syllogikhs Symbashs Ergasias toy etoys 2006. Den qa sas koyrasw, diabazontas ayto ton katalogo twn 25 kai pleon aithmatwn poy xronizan --epanalambanw-- kai ta opoia exei ikanopoihsei h shmerinh kybernhsh.

ROYMELIWTHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, afoy den qigete to Asfalistiko twn ergazomenwn sth DEH kai h apergia twn ergazomenwn sthn kaqariothta ginetai xwris kamia dikaiologia, opws eipate prohgoymenws, giati h kybernhsh den skeftetai, den efarmozei thn epitajh, gia na prostateysei toys polites apo dyo apergies aney logoy, poy stoixizoyn stoys polites kai einai kai qema ygeias;

ANTWNAROS: Exw topoqethqei gi` ayto to qema. Epanalambanw oti exw thn elpida, pws osoi apergoyn se aytoys toys tomeis toys opoioys eseis anaferate, qa exoyn thn koinwnikh eyaisqhsia h opoia epiballetai, wste na gyrisoyn sth doyleia toys kai na mhn talaipwroyn, adikws, to koinwniko synolo.

KAKARNIAS: Epeidh akoysthke kai h apoch oti h ylopoihsh toy metroy gia ta Barea kai Anqygieina gia toys ergazomenoys stoys OTA, htan kati poy egine, as poyme, ejaitias twn piesewn. Qewreite oti ayto qa dwsei kai to dikaiwma se kapoies alles omades na askhsoyn analoges pieseis, gia paradeigma apergies h alles kinhtopoihseis;

ANTWNAROS: Asfalws kai oxi. Giati, opws sas eipa, ayth th desmeysh thn eixe analabei h kybernhsh, an qymamai kala, apo ton perasmeno Noembrh. Htan sygkekrimenh desmeysh, aplws xreiasthke na katateqei to asfalistiko nomosxedio, wste na ylopoihqei kai na entaxqei ayth h desmeysh sto asfalistiko nomosxedio poy einai ypo syzhthsh, aytes tis hmeres, sth Boylh. Allwste, opws gnwrizete, h syzhthsh, synolika, gia ta Barea kai Anqygieina Epaggelmata, poy einai mia megalh kathgoria, poly megalos ariqmos epaggelmatwn poy ypagontai se ayth thn kathgoria, qa ginei sto eggys mellon.

GKOYTZANHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, epeidh eipate oti h apergia einai politikh, kata thn apoch moy, oles oi apergies politikes einai kai kata thn apoch pollwn akomh...

ANTWNAROS: Mporeite na diathreite thn apoch sas.

GKOYTZANHS: Wstoso, mporeite na mas peite eseis, ti ennoeite; Mhpws ennoeite oti einai politika ypokinoymenh, oti exei politikh stoxeysh; Ti ennoeite;

ANTWNAROS: Ayto poy eipa ennow kai tipote parapanw.

GKOYTZANHS: Dhladh, symfwneite mazi moy oti oles oi apergies einai politikes;

ANTWNAROS: Den symfwnw mazi sas. Eipa oti diafwnw mazi sas. Oi perissoteres apergies ginontai giati sygkekrimenes omades diekdikoyn dikaiwmata, diekdikoyn ayjhseis, diekdikoyn beltiwsh twn orwn ergasias, diekdikoyn allagh twn synqhkwn ergasias. Apergoyn ergazomenoi gia sygkekrimena qemata.

TROYPIWTHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, ean katalaba kala, kat` arxhn h kybernhsh, toylaxiston to 2006, exei kanei orismenes xaristikes ryqmiseis stoys OTA. Dhladh, mas lete twra oti qa pairnoyn ta ejoda kinhshs sthn periodo ths loxeias. Ara, qewrw oti exete hdh kanei merikes xaristikes ryqmiseis.

ANTWNAROS: Egw den qa xrhsimopoihsw ayto ton oro, se kamia periptwsh. Apo th meria moy anefera endeiktika orismenes ryqmiseis oi opoies exoyn ginei apo to 2004 kai meta. Ryqmiseis se xronizonta aithmata twn ergazomenwn stoys tomeis kaqariothtas twn OTA kai se alloys tomeis twn OTA. Aithmata, ta opoia h kybernhsh siga-siga, ta xronia ayta poy dierreysan apo to 2004 mexri shmera, exei ikanopoihsei, exei ylopoihsei se megalo baqmo.

TROYPIWTHS: To na pairneis kapoios ejoda kinhshs otan einai se adeia, den einai xaristikh pros aytoys;

ANTWNAROS: Den eimai se qesh, ayth th stigmh, na mpw se leptomereies.

TROYPIWTHS: To deytero poy qelw na sas rwthsw einai, egine ayth h allagh. H kybernhsh exei katalhjei sto poies alles allages mporei na dexqei sth syzhthsh sthn Olomeleia, oxi gia to sygkekrimeno xwro, genikws gia to Asfalistiko.

ANTWNAROS: H kybernhsh exei kataqesei ena diejodiko, analytiko sxedio nomoy, to opoio syzhteitai aytes tis hmeres sthn armodia Epitroph ths Boylhs kai qa paei thn epomenh ebdomada, opws problepei o Kanonismos ths Boylhs, sthn Olomeleia. Exoyme pei polles fores kai emeis apo ayth th qesh, alla kai h armodia ypoyrgos k. Petralia exei dieykrinisei oti, bebaiws, ean katateqoyn protaseis, idees, beltiwseis oi opoies qa anaferontai se kati to opoio mporei na exei parapesei, mporei na exei dialaqei ths prosoxhs twn syntaktwn toy nomosxedioy, ayto qa lhfqei ypoch. Alla, ypenqymizw gia mia akomh fora, epeidh poly syzhthsh ginetai panw se ayto, oti to sxedio nomoy einai apotelesma mias polymhnhs dhmosias syzhthshs kai antallaghs apocewn poy exoyn ginei metajy olwn twn endiaferomenwn pleyrwn.

FANIDHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, ektos apo toys ergazomenoys sthn Topikh Aytodioikhsh, etoimoi na ``aperghsoyn'' einai kai oi dhmarxoi. Kai shmera, malista, kanoyn kai poreia sto kentro ths Aqhnas, exontas ws epikefalhs kai kaqodhghth toys qa elega-- ton Proedro toys k. Kaklamanh, koryfaio stelexos ths Neas Dhmokratias. Qa hqela na rwthsw, giati h kybernhsh den dinei ta xarakthrismena apo ton idio ton Prwqypoyrgo ws ypejaireqenta stoys dhmoys ths xwras, wste na ikanopoihqoyn ta aithmata toys.

ANTWNAROS: Opws gnwrizete, h kybernhsh exei agkaliasei thn Topikh Aytodioikhsh kai thn periballei kai me ryqmiseis poy exei kanei kai me oikonomikoy poroys toys opoioys exei qesei sth diaqesh ths kai me thn empistosynh ths kai me thn politikh sthrijh thn opoia prepei na exei h Topikh Aytodioikhsh. Ola ayta, omws, opws antilambaneste, ginontai sto plaisio twn pragmatikwn oikonomikwn dynatothtwn poy exei h xwra.

N. PAPADHMHTRIOY: Kyrie Ekproswpe, hqela na rwthsw, ti eidoys asfalistikh metarryqmish einai ayth otan blepoyme oti stis epikoyrikes syntajeis mpainei maxairi mexri kai 70%.

ANTWNAROS: Qa hqela na kanw th diapistwsh oti oi ariqmoi kai ta paradeigmata, poy anaferontai shmera se merida toy Typoy, einai ayqaireta kai oxi antapokrinomena sthn pragmatikothta. Dioti, ginontai syndyasmoi stoixeiwn poy den sxetizontai to ena me to allo. Exei topoqethqei gia to qema twn epikoyrikwn syntajewn, hdh poly analytika, sth synenteyjh Typoy thn opoia edwse --ean qymamai kala-- stis 6 Martioy, dhladh thn perasmenh ebdomada kata thn paroysiash toy nomosxedioy, h armodia ypoyrgos k. Fanh Pallh-Petralia, ejhgwntas me oles tis aparaithtes leptomereies poia einai h stoxeysh twn ryqmisewn. Qa hqela, omws, na synocisw me ayth thn eykairia orismena stoixeia:

Prwton, opoia epikoyrika Tameia einai ygih, qa exoyn kai sto mellon, dhladh meta thn chfish toy nomosxedioy, dikaiwma na xorhgoyn epikoyrikes syntajeis toy ycoys poy krinoyn oti qeloyn na xorhghsoyn meta apo th dienergeia analogistikhs meleths.

Deyteron, gia osa Tameia einai elleimmatika isxyei oti mexri teloys toy etoys 2013 den allazei tipota sto shmerino kaqestws. Apo ekei kai pera, stadiaka kai se baqos oktaetias anaprosarmozetai kata etos h epikoyrikh syntajh poy dinoyn ayta ta Tameia, ta opoia se orismenes periptwseis  prepei na sas enhmerwsw-- dyskoleyontai na kalycoyn kai ta leitoyrgika toys ejoda, wste na fqasei to 20%.

Triton, h pentaetia poy mesolabei mexri to etos 2013 dinei th dynatothta se ola ta epikoyrika Tameia, kyriws omws se ekeina poy einai elleimmatika, na kanoyn xrhsth dioikhsh kai apotelesmatikh ajiopoihsh twn apoqematikwn toys, prokeimenoy na diathrhsoyn h na ayjhsoyn thn epikoyrhsh pera apo to 20% sto ycos poy epiqymoyn.

Ypenqymizw, gia mia akomh fora, oti to 20% einai to katwtato orio. Oloi gnwrizoyn pws plhrwnetai, pws fqanei ena Tameio se ena poso, se ena poso epikoyrikhs syntajhs, poy einai pososto ths kyrias syntajhs. Ejartatai apo tis kataboles twn ergodotwn kai twn ergazomenwn. Prepei na exei lefta to Tameio sto syrtari toy, sto logariasmo toy gia na mporei na plhrwnei tis epikoyrikes syntajeis.

TSIOYFOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, tis teleytaies hmeres parathroyme sta MME, kyriws ta hlektronika, kapoioys ekproswpoys forewn, oi opoioi tyxainei na einai kai stelexh toy kommatos ths Neas Dhmokratias h kai prwhn kybernhtika stelexh kapoioi  kai anaferomai ston k. Mixalo-- oi opoioi bgainoyn sta kanalia kai balloyn kata twn apergwn. Dinetai h aisqhsh oti ginetai mia prospaqeia na leitoyrghsei ayto poy exoyme onomasei ``koinwnikos aytomatismos'' kai se ayth thn prospaqeia symballoyn kai aytoi poy bgainoyn me ayto ton tropo poy bgainoyn sta Mesa. Qelete na to sxoliasete;

ANTWNAROS: Den exw kaqoloy ayth thn aisqhsh. Egw blepw oti sta kanalia ginetai mia poly zwhrh syzhthsh apo oles tis pleyres gia ena qema, to opoio einai fysiko na apasxolei, na endiaferei, na einai epikentro syzhthshs ekatommyriwn Ellhnwn, thn asfalistikh metarryqmish. As mh jexname oti aytes tis hmeres --sas to eipa kai pro oligoy-- syzhteitai to sygkekrimeno nomosxedio, to opoio einai proion mias poly megalhs diaboyleyshs kai antallaghs apocewn sth Boylh. Exoyme fqasei, dhladh, sto para pente. Sto teleytaio kommati ths telikhs eyqeias. Einai fysiko, loipon, na ginetai ayth h syzhthsh stis thleoraseis, sta kanalia. Oson de gia to sygkekrimeno...

TSIOYFOS: Den anaferomai se ayth th syzhthsh. Anaferomai sth syzhthsh poy ginetai gia tis apergies kai tis epiptwseis poy tyxainei na exoyn kapoioi epaggelmatikoi xwroi.

ANTWNAROS: Nomizw oti oi epaggelmatikes tajeis exoyn kai ekeines to dikaiwma, opws oloi oi endiaferomenoi, na paroysiazontai stis thleoraseis kai na ekferoyn tis apoceis toys.

A. PAPADHMHTRIOY: Egw qelw na epanelqw sto qema ths apergias. Pera apo tis ekklhseis, h kybernhsh, giati apo o,ti blepoyme oi apergoi den akoyn tis ekklhseis, synexizoyn tis kinhtopoihseis toys, protiqetai na kanei kati; Giati exoyn gemisei h Aqhna kai h Qessalonikh me skoypidia. Einai kindynos gia th dhmosia ygeia. Qa meinei stis ekklhseis h kybernhsh;

ANTWNAROS: Ayto to opoio eipa einai safes. Ylopoihqhke, an oxi to shmantikotero, ena apo ta shmantikotera aithmata twn apergwn sthn kaqariothta twn dhmwn. Ws pros toyto, den mporw na katalabw giati synexizetai h apergia. Den einai qema ths kybernhshs na teleiwsei ayth h apergia. Einai pleon qema twn apergwn, oi opoioi den exoyn kanena logo na apergoyn kai prepei kai oi idioi na analogistoyn tis eyqynes poy exoyn apenanti sto koinwniko synolo.

GKOYTZANHS: Eseis eipate oti htan desmeysh ths kybernhshs apo ton Noembrio na ikanopoihqei ayto to aithma.

ANTWNAROS: Eipa, peripoy apo ton Noembrio, den qymamai akribws.

GKOYTZANHS: Nai. Kai htan kai desmeysh ths kybernhshs. Elhfqh h desmeysh ton Noembrio gia na ikanopoihqei ton Dekembrio. Parola ayta, phge martys kai ikanopoihqhke xqes, espeysmena...

ANTWNAROS: Den nomizw oti h kybernhsh eixe pei oti qa to ikanopoihsei se ena mhna h se 30 hmeres.

GKOYTZANHS: Nomizw oti eixe pei oti qa to ikanopoihsei ton Dekembrio, alla as to krathsoyme san...

ANTWNAROS: Shmasia exei h oysia toy qematos.

GKOYTZANHS: Nai, alla ikanopoihqhke xqes me tropologia kai afoy exoyn prohghqei toses meres apergias kai exei gemisei o kosmos skoypidia. Giati ayto;

ANTWNAROS: Ayto apodeiknyei gia mia akomh fora oti h kybernhsh einai pisth stis desmeyseis tis opoies exei analabei. Kai ayto to apodeiknyei kai h makra lista, poy eyxaristws mporw na sas th dwsw kapoia stigmh, me ta xronizonta aithmata twn ergazomenwn stoys sygkekrimenoys tomeis poy exei ikanopoihsei h kybernhsh. Ta ikanopoiei stadiaka, dioti, opws sas eipa, oi oikonomikes dynatothtes ths xwras, opws oloi jeroyn, einai sygkekrimenes. Kai h ikanopoihsh oikonomikwn aithmatwn synepagetai mia epibarynsh pantote gia to dhmosio xrhma. Kai to dhmosio xrhma, ayth h kybernhsh to diaxeirizetai me apolyto aisqhma eyqynhs.

GKOYTZANHS: An to eixe ikanopoihsei, pantws, to aithma mia ebdomada nwritera mporei na eixame glitwsei thn apergia. Ayto den moy apanthsate giati den to ekane.

ANTWNAROS: Exw apanthsei.

AN. PAPADHMHTRIOY: Einai safes oti h kybernhsh den ferei eyqynh gia to oti synexizetai h apergia. Parola ayta den anhsyxei gia thn dhmosia ygeia h kybernhsh; Den qa parei kapoia metra gia ta skoypidia poy exoyn kataklysei thn Aqhna kai thn Qessalonikh;

ANTWNAROS: Hdh se polloys Dhmoys ginetai apokomidh twn aporrimmatwn. As perimenoyme kai tis epomenes hmeres. Den exw logo na amfiballw oti qa prytaneysei h logikh stis tajeis twn ergazomenwn.

GKOYTZANHS: Kai ta kommata ths antipoliteyshs kai oi ekproswpoi twn ergazomenwn, kathgoroyn thn kybernhsh oti den exei kanei dialogo kai oti fernei to nomosxedio me th diadikasia express. Ennooyn oti pote den eixan ena sygkekrimeno grapto keimeno epi th bash toy opoioy na syzhthsoyn.

ANTWNAROS: Opote eixan keimena, den proshlqan. Opote h kybernhsh toys kaloyse, epishs, den proshrxonto. Profaseis en amarties einai ayta.

GKOYTZANHS: Mia teleytaia erwthsh. H kybernhsh ti nomizei; Oti me thn asfalistikh ths metarryqmish qa kalytereysoyn ta pragmata gia toys ergazomenoys;

ANTWNAROS: Ma bebaiws. Kalytereyoyn gia oloys toys Ellhnes asfalismenoys. Kai kalytereyoyn se baqos xronoy. Ayto einai shmantiko.

FANIDHS: Se ena allo qema k. Ekproswpe. H krish ston kybernhtiko synaspismo twn Skopiwn, endexomenws mporei na shmanei kai to adojo telos twn diapragmateysewn gia to onoma;

ANTWNAROS: Opws jerete, h Ellada paramenei pisth sth diadikasia h opoia diejagetai sta plaisia toy OHE gia thn ejeyresh mias amoibaia apodekths onomasias se ayth th mia kai monadikh diafora thn opoia exoyme me th geitonikh xwra. Emeis pisteyoyme oti prepei kai h allh pleyra na symballei apofasistika pros ayth th kateyqynsh. Kai pisteyoyme, opws exoyme pei kai alles fores, oti ayth einai h katallhlh stigmh wste na ejeyreqei ayth h onomasia poy qa einai koina apodekth. Den protiqemai, bebaiws, na sxoliasw me kanenan tropo eswterikes ejelijeis se mia allh, se mia geitonikh xwra.

TSORAKHS: Qa synanthqei o Prwqypoyrgos me ton k. Gkroyefski, shmera, sto periqwrio toy Eyrwpaikoy kommatos;

ANTWNAROS: Den exw kamia plhroforhsh sxetika me kati tetoio.

Sas eyxaristw.

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