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Pempth, 6 Martioy 2008

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YPOYRGOS EPIKRATEIAS

Aqhna, 6 Martioy 2008

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Opws gnwrizete, se ligh wra qa arxisei h synenteyjh Typoy ths k. Petralia, prokeimenoy na anakoinwqoyn oi ryqmiseis poy problepontai sthn asfalistikh metarryqmish. O Prwqypoyrgos ekane mia dhlwsh xqes. Qa moy epitrecete na parw ligo apo to xrono sas gia na sas dwsw ta basika shmeia toy nomosxedioy, to opoio einai ektenes kai se arqra, alla kai se ariqmo selidwn. Oi selides einai gyrw stis 350, apo o,ti plhroforhqhka. Qa sas diabasw, omws, orismena basika shmeia, ta opoia qewrw xrhsimo na gnwrizete kai eseis, prokeimenoy na mporoyme na exoyme thn opoia syzhthsh qelete. Bebaiws, afoy enhmerwqeite kalytera diabazontas kai to nomosxedio, qa eimai sth diaqesh sas na apanthsw kai ayrio stis erwthseis sas.

To asfalistiko systhma sth xwra mas anaptyxqhke, dystyxws, opws kai polla alla, sth dhmosia dioikhsh h stis ypodomes, aprogrammatista kai eykairiaka. Stadiaka, dhmioyrghqhke kai ston tomea ayto mia grafeiokratia me polydiaspash yphresiwn, allhloepikalych armodiothtwn, daidalwdh kai antifatikh nomoqesia. Egine mia poly shmantikh prospaqeia sthn asfalistikh metarryqmish toy '92. Ginetai, shmera, ena poly shmantiko bhma, me mia seira metrwn ta opoia problepontai sthn asfalistikh metarryqmish, prokeimenoy na apaleifqoyn oi streblwseis, na pataxqei h eisforodiafygh, na stamathsoyn oi anisothtes stis syntajeis kai na stamathsoyn oi spatales stis dapanes periqalchs.

Me aytoys toys stoxoys, elpizoyme, pisteyoyme oti qa apodwsei to ergo ayto, to opoio htan ena titanio ergo.

Gnwrizete oloi sas oti sth xwra mas leitoyrgoyn shmera 155 foreis kai kladoi kyrias kai epikoyrikhs asfalishs, asqeneias kai pronoias. To ypoyrgeio Apasxolhshs kai Koinwnikhs Prostasias epopteyei 133 foreis kai kladoys. To ypoyrgeio Oikonomias treis foreis. To ypoyrgeio Eqnikhs Amynas ennea organismoys. To ypoyrgeio Emporikhs Naytilias ennea organismoys kai h Boylh ena forea.

Milame, loipon, gia toys 133 foreis poy epopteyontai apo to ypoyrgeio Apasxolhshs kai Koinwnikhs Prostasias. O kratikos proypologismos epixorhghse to systhma Koinwnikhs Asfalishs me 14,6 dis eyrw to 2007 kai me 18 dis eyrw to 2008, ayjhsh ths tajews toy 22% mesa se ena xrono. Synolika, oi dapanes toy systhmatos gia to 2007 htan 23,80 dis eyrw h 12,6% toy AEP, me ragdaia ayjanomenh tash. Sta epomena xronia, an den allaze kati, qa fqaname sto 25% toy AEP, dhladh qa prepei na diatiqentai gia syntajeis ola ta posa poy shmera dinontai gia ygeia, paideia kai politismo, pragma poy shmainei katarreysh toy koinwnikoy kratoys. Ta synexws ayjanomena elleimmata twn Tameiwn, to ayjanomeno prosdokimo orio zwhs twn politwn, h synexws meioymenh analogia twn ergazomenwn pros toys syntajioyxoys  exoyme sthn Ellada 1,75, dhladh ligoteroys apo dyo ergazomenoys pros ena syntajioyxo enanti tessarwn ergazomenwn pros ena syntajioyxwn poy apaiteitai gia ena ygies kai biwsimo anadianemhtiko systhma- kai h profanhs ypoxrewsh na lhfqei merimna gia to mellon twn newn, odhgoyn sthn anagkaiothta mias gennaias metarryqmishs, wste afenos na antejei stis epomenes dekaeties, afeteroy na beltiwsei th shmerinh katastash kai na dwsei prooptikh.

H proteinomenh metarryqmish einai oysiastikh, alla hpia. Oles oi ryqmiseis exoyn koinoys paranomastes th biwsimothta toy systhmatos kai thn allhleggyh twn genewn, arxes poy diaxronika prepei na throyntai se dianemhtiko systhma, afoy me aytes synartwntai h koinwnikh synoxh, h katapolemhsh ths ftwxeias kai toy koinwnikoy apokleismoy. Oi paqogeneies toy systhmatos antimetwpizontai stadiaka, dixws na qigoyn wrima dikaiwmata kai paroxes.

Oi ajones ths metarryqmishs einai oi ejhs:

Prwtos: Dioikhtikh metarryqmish enopoihseis, entajeis Tameiwn. Oi 133 foreis kai kladoi epopteias toy ypoyrgeioy Apasxolhshs kai Koinwnikhs Prostasias omadopoioyntai kai periorizontai se 13. Etsi, dhmioyrgoyntai pente foreis kyrias asfalishs, oi opoioi einai: To IKA-ETAM opoy entassontai oloi oi misqwtoi me toys oroys kai tis proypoqeseis poy eixan sta Tameia toys. O Organismos Asfalishs Eleyqerwn Epaggelmatiwn ston opoio entassontai oloi oi eleyqeroi epaggelmaties me toys oroys kai tis proypoqeseis syntajiodothshs poy eixan. O OGA poy paramenei akribws opws einai shmera. To Eniaio Tameio Anejarthta Apasxoloymenwn sto opoio entassontai oloi osoi mexri shmera htan asfalismenoi stoys kladoys toy Tameioy Nomikwn, toy TSAY kai toy TSMEDE. Gia logoys plhroys diafaneias, o Proedros toy neoidryqentos aytoy Tameioy qa perna apo thn eidikh anabaqmismenh diadikasia toy nomoy 3556/2007, dhladh apo Epitroph poy qa proedreyetai apo epi timh Proedro toy Elegktikoy Synedrioy kai sthn opoia qa symmetexei o dioikhths ths Trapezas ths Ellados kai o Proedros ths Epitrophs Kefalaiagoras. Apaiteitai h symfwnh gnwmh ayths ths Epitrophs, prokeimenoy na dioristei o dioikhths toy neoy Tameioy.

Sth synexeia, o Proedros qa perna apo th Boylh me th diadikasia toy 49A toy Kanonismoy ths Boylhs. Etsi qa ginetai gia toys Proedroys olwn twn Tameiwn. Sto neo dioikhtiko Symboylio qa metexoyn analogika kai oi treis foreis poy omadopoioyntai. Parallhla, dhmioyrgoyntai treis dioikoyses Epitropes apo kaqe Tameio, poy qa elegxoyn tis diadikasies diaxeirishs kaqe Tameioy, ta apoqematika twn opoiwn entassontai ws aytoteleis jexwristoi logariasmoi. Oi Epitropes aytes qa exoyn rolo kai logo sth diaxeirish ths perioysias twn asfalismenwn toys.

To Eniaio Tameio Asfalishs Proswpikoy MME (ETAP-MME): Sto neo ayto forea entassontai ola ta Tameia kai oi kladoi twn ergazomenwn sta MME, dhladh, dhmosiografoi, efhmeridopwles, texnikoi Typoy kai alles eidikothtes. H dhmioyrgia toy jexwristoy aytoy Tameioy edrazetai stis idiaiteres nomikes probleceis poy yfistantai gia toys ergazomenoys ston Typo, sto gegonos oti sthn pleionothta toys oi ergazomenoi sta Tameia ayta einai misqwtoi kai fysika sthn anagkh sygkrothshs enos leitoyrgikoy sxhmatos.

Ektos apo ta Tameia kyrias syntajhs, dhmioyrgoyntai kai eji foreis epikoyrikhs asfalishs:

Eniaio Tameio Epikoyrikhs Asfalishs Misqwtwn (ETEAM). Se ayto entassontai ta epikoyrika Tameia misqwtwn poy exoyn ws kyrio forea asfalishs to IKA-ETAM kai ta opoia, logw twn megalwn elleimmatwn toys, adynatoyn na kataballoyn syntajeis akomh kai fetos, th xronia poy diagoyme.

Tameio Epikoyrikhs Asfalishs Idiwtikoy Tomea (TEAIT). Sto neo ayto forea omadopoioyntai epikoyrika Tameia misqwtwn toy idiwtikoy tomea poy exoyn kyria asfalish sto IKA-ETAM kai ta opoia den antimetwpizoyn amesa kai epeigonta oikonomika problhmata.

Tameio Asfalishs Ypallhlwn Trapezwn kai Epixeirhsewn Koinhs Wfeleias (TAYTEKW). Sto neo ayto forea entassontai ta epikoyrika kai ta Tameia ygeias kai pronoias ergazomenwn se epixeirhseis koinhs wfeleias kai se idiwtikes trapezes poy xorhgoyn ychles paroxes kai den antimetwpizoyn amesa problhmata. Oi entassomenoi exoyn kyria asfalish sto IKA-ETAM.

Tameio Epikoyrikhs Asfalishs Dhmosiwn Ypallhlwn (TEADY). Oi entassomenoi ergazontai sto Dhmosio, enw ta entassomena Tameia den antimetwpizoyn ameso oikonomiko problhma.

Tameio Epikoyrikhs Asfalishs kai Pronoias Apasxoloymenwn sta Swmata Asfaleias (TEAPASA). Oi entassomenoi einai proswpiko twn Swmatwn Asfaleias kai ta entassomena Tameia exoyn entona oikonomika problhmata. H enopoihsh ayth einai kaqara leitoyrgikh.

Eniaio Tameio Trapezoypallhlwn (ETAT). Einai eidiko Tameio poy idryqhke to 2005, me to nomo 3371, xorhgei symplhrwmatikes syntajeis se ypokatastash ths kyrias syntajhs, mexri th symplhrwsh twn oriwn hlikias poy apaitei to IKA-ETAM kai paramenei ws exei.

Ektos twn kyriwn kai epikoyrikwn dhmioyrgoyntai kai ta ejhs Tameia Pronoias:

Tameio Pronoias Dhmosiwn Ypallhlwn.

Tameio Pronoias Idiwtikoy Tomea.

Tameio Ygeias Dhmotikwn kai Koinotikwn Ypallhlwn, to opoio entassetai sto antistoixo Tameio Dhmosiwn Ypallhlwn.

Na tonistei oti to nomosxedio einai analytiko kai leptomeres stis ryqmiseis toy, wste na einai amesa efarmosimo, xwris na apaiteitai ekdosh kanonistikwn prajewn, dhladh proedrikwn diatagmatwn, ypoyrgikwn apofasewn k.t.l. Etsi, exei lhfqei merimna wste:

Prwton, oi dioikhtikes aytes metaboles na dieyqetoyntai xwrotajika. H yphresia, dhladh, exei katametrhsei kthria, epifaneies, grafeia, iatreia, qeseis ergasias, wste oi metafores, oi symptyjeis kai oi omadopoihseis na mhn prokaloyn sygxysh h talaipwria stoys asfalismenoys. Antiqeta, qa yparxei pronoia gia kalyterh ejyphrethsh kai dieykolynsh toys.

Deyteron, oi ergazomenoi sta Tameia diathroyn tis ergasiakes qeseis, toys baqmoys, tis apodoxes, thn ierarxia kai toys titloys toys. Dhladh, genika diasfalizetai h misqologikh kai h ierarxikh toys ejelijh.

Triton, qa yparxei synexhs elegxos efarmoghs ths rizospastikhs ayths metarryqmishs me tis katallhles prosarmoges opoy xreiastei.

Se o,ti afora tis stoxeymenes asfalistikes parembaseis:

Oi streblwseis sto Asfalistiko ofeilontai sto gegonos oti kaqe Tameio eixe diaforetikes proypoqeseis syntajiodothshs ws pros to fylo, ta oria hlikias, to xrono asfalishs twn ergazomenwn, to xrono prosmetrhshs ths asfalishs se diaforetika Tameia, thn oikogeneiakh katastash, thn katastash ygeias, to an eixe asfalistei pro toy 1983 h meta, ton tropo ypologismoy ths kyrias h epikoyrikhs syntajhs poy problepei to Katastatiko kaqe Tameioy k.o.k. An oles oi parapanw idiaiterothtes pollaplasiastoyn epi ton ariqmo twn forewn  synolika eipame oti einai 133 oi foreis- antilambanetai kapoios ton kykewna ston opoio brisketai shmera to asfalistiko mas systhma. Basikos stoxos einai na mpei mia tajh, na diafylaxqoyn oi proypoqeseis oswn exoyn wrima dikaiwmata kai stadiaka na ejorqologistei to systhma me isonomia kai dikaiosynh. Etsi, oi perissoteres ryqmiseis poy eisagontai jekinoyn meta mia pentaetia, einai stadiakes kai oso to dynaton pio anwdynes. Epeidh to prosdokimo orio ths zwhs  kai eytyxws, bebaiws- exei ayjhqei tis teleytaies dekaeties me apotelesma na mhn mporei na qewrhqei apomaxos enas poliths 50 h 55 etwn -enw se paneyrwpaiko epipedo h tash gia thn hlikia syntajiodothshs einai na parataqei kai peran twn 65 etwn- sthn protash mas qespizontai diatajeis oi opoies: Prwton, parexoyn antikinhtra gia thn prowrh syntajiodothsh me thn ayjhsh toy posostoy meiwshs ths prowrhs syntajhs, h opoia pantws diathreitai. Dhladh, ean kapoios qelei na parei prowrh syntajh, mporei na thn parei, aplws qa gnwrizei oti qa einai meiwmenh. Deyteron, parembainoyn se orismena eidika oria hlikias poy shmera briskontai se idiaitera xamhla epipeda, gia paradeigma, to 50o etos ths hlikias. Ayth h parembash arxizei apo to 2013 kai meta. Dinoyn kinhtra gia thn paramonh sthn ergasia peran toy typikoy xronoy syntajiodothshs. Ta kinhtra ayta einai 3,3% ana etos, peran toy 35oy etoys ergasias. An dhladh kapoios meinei gia tria xronia, to poso poy qa parei sth syntajh toy qa einai ayjhmeno kata 10% se sxesh me ayto poy qa epairne an syntajiodoteito tria xronia nwritera. Ayta einai kinhtra ta opoia mporei na ajiopoihsei kapoios, mporei kai oxi. Parallhla, diathroyntai ola ta pronomia poy yfistantai ws pros th syntajiodothsh se idiaiteres periptwseis, opws h anaphria, h yposthrijh anaphrwn teknwn, enw parateinetai h dynatothta syntajiodothshs oswn exoyn 3.500 hmeromisqia.

Triton, qesmikes tomes: Allhleggyh genewn, prostasia mhtrothtas, kentrikos elegxos eisforodiafyghs kai dapanwn.

1. Enas apo toys basikoys stoxoys ths asfalistikhs metarryqmishs einai na lhfqei merimna wste oi eisfores kai oi kopoi poy shmera kataballoyn oi neoi ergazomenoi na ajiopoioyntai me tropo wste na mporoyn kai ekeinoi, ws ayrianoi syntajioyxoi, na exoyn tis antistoixes paroxes. Gia thn ylopoihsh toy stoxoy aytoy qespizetai asfalistiko Tameio Allhleggyhs Genewn, dhladh enas megalos koymparas opoy to kratos kataqetei to 4% toy FPA kai to 10% twn esodwn apo tis apokratikopoihseis. Kai ola ta Tameia poy exoyn koinwnikoys poroys qa kataqetoyn to 10% twn porwn aytwn. To Tameio ayto qa meinei, opws eipe kai o Prwqypoyrgos xqes, ews to 2019, xwris na mporei na peirajei kaneis ta xrhmata poy qa exei sygkentrwsei. Einai mia pronoia gia to mellon.

2. H xwra mas antimetwpizei entono dhmografiko problhma. Enas apo toys eidikoys tropoys antimetwpishs toy einai h prostasia ths mhtrothtas. Etsi prostiqetai ejamhnh adeia meta th lhjh ths adeias toketoy poy problepetai apo tis yparxoyses syllogikes symbaseis. Kata th diarkeia ths adeias ayths, h mhtera-ergazomenh qa plhrwnetai me to basiko misqo apo ton OAED, dhladh 675 eyrw kai qa exei plhrh asfalistikh kai iatrofarmakeytikh kalych. Epipleon, h dynatothta anagnwrishs plasmatikoy xronoy epekteinetai sta pente eth. Qa isxyei gia gennhseis apo 1/1/2000 gia oloys toys asfalistikoys foreis kai oxi mono gia to IKA kai qa lambanetai ypoch, oxi mono gia th qemeliwsh dikaiwmatos, alla kai gia thn prosayjhsh ths syntajhs. Gia oses epilejoyn na ergastoyn, qa parexetai h dynatothta katabolhs toy hmisews toy posostoy twn eisforwn asfalishs se opoiondhpote asfalistiko Organismo kai an anhkoyn.

3. Kentrikos ypoxrewtikos elegxos ths eisforodiafyghs, dapanwn, syntajewn, ygeias, pronoias. Qespizetai h ypoxrewtikothta ths apokthshs toy monadikoy ariqmoy asfalismenoy (AMKA). H anagrafh toy ariqmoy aytoy se ola ta parastatika ergasias syntajiodothshs kai periqalchs kaqistatai ypoxrewtikh. H sxetikh karta qa periexei to synolo toy asfalistikoy bioy kaqe ergazomenoy, dieykolynontas tis synallages toy me ta Tameia, enw h on-line syndesh toy yfistamenoy Kentroy (H.DI.K.A.A.E) me tis yphresies elegxoy ergasias, epaggelmatos, syntajewn kai iatrofarmakeytikhs periqalchs se syndyasmo me thn enisxysh kai to syntonismo twn elegktikwn klimakiwn qa periorisei thn eisforodiafygh kai tis dapanes.

Qa kleisw me orismenes genikes arxes:

Prwton, to asfalistiko mas systhma paramenei anadianemhtiko. H asfalish paramenei, opws problepetai apo to Syntagma, eyqynh toy kratoys, dhladh dhmosia.

Deyteron, apo th dioikhtikh metarryqmish den ejaireitai kanena apolytws Tameio kai kamia apolytws omada ergazomenwn. Entassontai sto IKA akoma kai ta Tameia ths DEH kai ths Trapezas ths Ellados, poy qewroyntan eidika kai sto parelqon eixan ejaireqei.

Triton, to basiko krithrio enopoihshs h entajhs einai to omoeides twn ergazomenwn (eleyqeroi epaggelmaties, misqwtoi k.l.p.).

Tetarton, h kinhth kai akinhth perioysia twn Tameiwn, opoy yparxei, entassetai ws aytotelhs eidikos logariasmos me oikonomikh kai logistikh aytoteleia poy diathreitai kai ejakoloyqei na xorhgei tis paroxes stoys asfalismenoys kai syntajioyxoys.

Pempton, den metaballontai ta genika oria hlikias, den meiwnontai oi syntajeis, den ayjanontai oi eisfores.

Ekton, oi hpies diorqwtikes kinhseis stis streblwseis, sta eidika oria hlikia kai tis eidikes proypoqeseis syntajiodothshs qesmoqetoyntai se baqos xronoy kai stadiaka. Jekinoyn, opws eipa prohgoymenws, apo to 2013. Gia paradeigma, stis mhteres anhlikwn, h stadiakh metabash sto 55o etos gia plhrh syntajh -apo to 50o poy yphrxe, alla mono gia meiwmenh syntajh- synodeyetai apo dikaiwma qemeliwshs ths syntajhs, efoson yparxei h anhlikothta toy paidioy apo to 50o ews to 55o etos. Dhladh, prokeitai sthn oysia gia pio eynoikh metaxeirish kai apo to yfistameno kaqestws, dedomenoy oti prokeitai gia dynatothta xorhghshs plhroys syntajhs sth mhtera anhlikoy, h opoia einai safestata poly pio symferoysa oikonomika apo th meiwmenh poy mporoyse shmera na labei sto 50o etos ths hlikias ths.

Ayta eixa na sas pw ws genikes arxes. Ayth thn wra, h k. Petralia kanei mia pio analytikh enhmerwsh kai eimai bebaios oti qa teqoyn kai ekei polla erwthmata, opws isws kai edw. Qa zhthsw mono oson afora eidika zhthmata  einai ena poly leptomeres nomosxedio, einai ena poly lepto qema, panw apo 1.000 nomoi einai poy exoyn asxolhqei ola ayta ta xronia me thn asfalistikh kalych twn Ellhnwn ergazomenwn- thn katanohsh sas kai efoson den gnwrizw kati, qa zhthsw apo to armodio ypoyrgeio apanthsh gia na sas th dwsw ayrio.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

KORAH: Ryqmish gia toys boyleytes yparxei sto nomosxedio, to opoio malista, opws mas eipate, einai ektashs 350 selidwn;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Nai, yparxei ryqmish gia toys boyleytes kai anakoinwnetai apo thn k. Petralia. Diplasiazetai o xronos poy xreiazotan mexri twra. Twra, oi boyleytes mporoysan na bgoyn sth syntajh me tessera xronia plhroys qhteias, pragma to opoio sta ellhnika dedomena shmainei me dyo eklogikes anametrhseis, dioti h tetraetia ejantlhqhke isws mono mia fora sth diarkeia twn teleytaiwn etwn apo to 1974. Qa ginoyn oktw ta xronia, to opoio shmainei oti qa xreiazetai minimoym treis eklogikes anametrhseis. Giati, opws gnwrizete, akoma kai otan fqanoyme sxedon sto telos ths koinoboyleytikhs qhteias, ena mhna prin prokhryssontai ekloges, ara den qewreitai plhrhs qhteia. Ekeino poy einai shmantiko na anaferqei, einai oti oi boyleytes mporei men na katoxyrwnoyn dikaiwma syntajiodothshs, alla th syntajh toys qa thn apolambanoyn meta to 65o etos ths hlikias toys. Epishs, qelw na shmeiwqei oti se o,ti afora toys boyleytes h ryqmish ayth, afoy diplasiazei to xrono, odhgei kai se synaisqhma isothtas, sto baqmo poy kapoios prepei na antimetwpisei to leitoyrghma toy boyleyth me ton tropo poy antimetwpizetai se oles tis sygxrones dhmokraties. H ryqmish proseggizei ryqmiseis allwn koinoboyliwn ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs.

KAKALHS: Sta ariqmhtika dedomena toy Asfalistikoy poy anaferate, den akoysa orismena akoma, opws oti enas stoys dyo syntajioyxoys pairnei syntajh 500 eyrw kai katw, to 14% pairnei panw apo 1.000 eyrw, h syntajh sthn Ellada einai sto 55% toy mesoy oroy twn xwrwn ths Eyrwpaikhs Enwshs twn ``27'', enas stoys pente ergazomenoys einai anasfalistos, 6 dis eyrw h eisforodiafygh to xrono, 12,5 dis eyrw einai ta xreh toy kratoys pros ta Tameia. Ayta einai orismena stoixeia ta opoia den akoysa, ta opoia oxi den ta eipate eseis, mallon den aggizei kan h metarryqmish kata th gnwmh moy. Antiqeta, fainetai na ejomoiwnontai oi syntajeis pros ta katw. Anti na anebazete tis syntajeis, den yparxei kanena metro gia anebasma twn syntajewn, aytes poy einai panw qewrhtika, tis katebazei pros ta katw. Ti apantate se ayto;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa apanthsw oti hdh h koinwnikh politikh ths kybernhshs exei anaptyxqei. Kai gnwrizete poly kala oti apo 1/1/2008, opws akribws eixame desmeyqei, exei ayjhqei kai to Epidoma Koinwnikhs Allhleggyhs (EKAS) kata 18%, exoyn ayjhqei kai oi syntajeis toy OGA kata 19%. Ta problhmata toy asfalistikoy zhthmatos einai shmantika, ta katanooyme oloi kai ta gnwrizoyme akomh kai an den jeroyme se baqos tis leptomereies toy asfalistikoy zhthmatos. Einai ejisoy shmantiko na enisxysoyme thn koinwnikh mas politikh. Gi` ayto -kai opws anefera sthn arxh- ean den lhfqoyn twra tetoioy eidoys pronoies, to bebaion einai oti ayjanomenoy toy posoy to opoio qa xrhsimopoieitai apo ton proypologismo, ws pososto toy AEP gia tis syntajeis sto mellon, qa einai ena poso to opoio entelei qa strafei enantion twn Ellhnwn politwn. Kai qa strafei enantion kai ths Ygeias kai ths Paideias kai opoiwn allwn koinwnikwn paroxwn zhtoyn kai prepei na exoyn oi polites apo ena kratos.

PALAIOLOGOS: Para tis diabebaiwseis poy pareixe kai xqes o Prwqypoyrgos sth dhlwsh toy kai eseis shmera se sxesh me ta tria ``den'', wstoso h genikoterh entypwsh poy menei  giati akoma den exoyme dei to nomosxedio emeis oi dhmosiografoi sthn plhrh toy morfh- einai oti ayto den epitygxanetai ws pros tis dyo apo tis treis diabebaiwseis. Dhladh, ekeino poy menei einai gia to qema twn eisforwn. Fainetai pws ta oria hlikias ayjanontai -kai malista anaferontai orismenes periptwseis eidika shmera sto radiofwno oti kapoios me 37 xronia proyphresias den mporei na parei syntajh sta 58, alla na proseggisei to 60o etos ths hlikias, ara sthn oysia metaballontai ta oria hlikias- kaqws epishs kai to qema twn syntajewn, oti meiwnontai kai oi syntajeis. Ws pros tis diabebaiwseis poy dinete eseis, poia einai ta exeggya poy mporei ayto to pragma na to katasthsoyn efikto;

ROYSOPOYLOS: An diabasete oles tis dhlwseis apo thn arxh, qa diapistwsete oti desmeyqhkame pws den qa allajoyn ta genika oria hlikias. Kai ayto paramenei ws exei. Den allazoyn ta genika oria hlikias. Den qa mpw sta eidikotera qemata, giati kai gia thn 37etia poy eipate yparxei apanthsh, alla wstoso qa meinw sth genikh parathrhsh oti den allazoyn ta oria hlikias. Kai ayto einai profanes kai qa einai profanes se opoion diabasei to nomosxedio. Apo thn allh pleyra, den mporoyme na dexqoyme oti atoma me hlikia 38, 40 h 45 etwn na bgainoyn sth syntajh. Ayto einai eis baros twn ypoloipwn asfalismenwn.

FANIDHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, prin apo ligo eipate gia th ryqmish poy afora toys boyleytes. Analogh ryqmish exei problefqei kai gia dhmarxoys, nomarxes, koinotarxes;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ayth einai h ryqmish gia toys boyleytes. Den yparxei kapoia allh ryqmish sto nomosxedio. Ean yparjei otidhpote sto mellon, qa gnwstopoihqei. Se ayth th fash, den prokeitai na ginei tipote perissotero apo ayta poy sas eipa.

ARMENHS: Kapoioi apo toys boyleytes poy exoyn qemeliwsei dikaiwma syntajiodothshs kai apo allo Tameio, dhladh kapoioi dikhgoroi h dhmosiografoi h giatroi, qa mporoyn na paroyn dyo syntajeis;

ROYSOPOYLOS: O,ti problepetai gia th genikh ryqmish poy yparxei gia to asfalistiko systhma paramenei. Den allazei kati. Dhladh, den mporei na sterhseis th syntajh apo kapoion, o opoios ergasthke sth zwh toy se mia epixeirhsh eite sto dhmosio, eite ston idiwtiko tomea h ergasthke ws eleyqeros epaggelmatias- fantazomai oti qa htan adiko, giati ayto den isxyei gia kanenan.

ROYMELIWTHS: Prin akoma paroysiastei to nomosxedio exoyn paralysei shmantikoi tomeis ths kaqhmerinothtas mas. Skopeyei na kanei kati h kybernhsh, p.x. me to qema toy blackout poy dokimazoyn tis antoxes twn politwn, alla dhmioyrgoyntai kai oysiastika problhmata;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ekeino to opoio exw na shmeiwsei einai oti oloi oi eleyqeroi polites -kai eleyqeroi polites zoyn se ayth th xwra- exoyn dikaiwma sthn apergia. Alla, apo thn allh pleyra, exoyn ypoxrewsh sto koinwniko synolo. Eidikotera gia to qema ths DEH sto opoio anaferqhkate, qa hqela na gnwrizete tis leptomereies poy aforoyn to zhthma ayto. Dhladh, h metarryqmish problepei oti xwrizei to Tameio apo th mia se syntajiodotiko kai apo thn allh se epikoyriko, ygeia kai pronoia. To men syntajiodotiko mpainei ypo to IKA-ETAM, ta de alla tria (epikoyriko, ygeia, pronoia) ypo to TAYPEKO, dhladh trapezes kai DEKO. Prwton, diasfalizetai olh toys h perioysia, dhladh toy Tameioy ths DEH, opws problepei to arqro 34 toy N.2773/99. Diasfalizetai me ayto to nomo. Deyteron, entassontai ston prwto pylwna, poy shmainei oti to Dhmosio eggyatai to dhmosio xarakthra toy Tameioy toys. Triton, to syntajiodotiko toys skelos entassetai ypo to IKA-ETAM me oikonomikh diaxeiristikh logistikh aytoteleia. Dhladh, opws einai shmera aytodioikoymeno, mpainei katw apo thn omprela, xwris na xanoyn se tipota (qemata allaghs hlikiwn, eisfores, syntajeis) kai me th dikh toy dioikhtikh epitroph. Exei kai qa exei o,ti eixe. Se o,ti afora ta alla shmeia, epikoyriko, ygeia kai pronoia kai ekei exoyn toys idioys poroys poy eixan, tis idies paroxes, ta idia dikaiwmata, diathroyntai ta Perifereiaka Kentra Ygeias ta legomena PEKA. Einai kati san ta KEP ths DEH opoy o asfalismenos h o syntajioyxos mporei na paei kai na xrhsimopoihsei tis yphresies gia opoiesdhpote prajeis ton ejyphretoyn. Ayta einai apokleistika gia toys ergazomenoys kai toys syntajioyxoys ths DEH. Den xanoyn, loipon, tipota apo ta dikaiwmata kai tis paroxes poy exoyn shmera, afoy metaferontai ola sto akeraio sto TAYPEKO kai epipleon, kat ` ejairesh, exoyn kai mia gnwmodotikh epitroph poy mesolabei metajy OAP-DEH kai th dioikhsh toy TAYPEKO, dhmioyrgwntas etsi epipleon anejarthsia. Ayta isxyoyn sth DEH, ayta symbainoyn sth DEH. Kai ws shmeiwsh, gia na kleisw opws jekinhsa, qelw na pw oti to dikaiwma ths apergias yparxei, kaneis den to amfisbhtei, alla apo thn allh pleyra yparxei kai h ypoxrewsh apenanti sto koinwniko synolo. Kai oydeis dikaioytai na xrhsimopoiei ena koinwniko agaqo poy einai gia oloys toys polites, ws moxlo pieshs, gia na epityxei to otidhpote ekeinos qewrei dikaio. Einai poly shmantiko to gegonos oti emeinan para polla spitia kai para polles epixeirhseis xwris reyma. Milame gia synanqrwpoys mas oi opoioi exoyn anagkes (hlikiwmenoys, paidia, genikotera oi polites), milame gia epixeirhseis poy anagkasthkan na kleisoyn. Shmera, malista, eixame kai ena atyxhma  eytyxws den traymatisthke kaneis- otan sygkroysthkan dyo tram. Ofeiloyn, loipon, oi apergoi th DEH na synypologisoyn thn koinwnikh toys ypoxrewsh, thn ypoxrewsh toys apenanti sto koinwniko synolo, na xrhsimopoihsoyn proswpiko asfaleias, opws epiballetai se aytes tis periptwseis, gia na mh dhmioyrghqoyn xeirotera.

TROYPIWTHS: Me aformh thn apanthsh gia toys dhmarxoys, h kybernhsh poso diateqeimenh einai na dexqei tropologies sto nomosxedio sth Boylh kai mexri poioy shmeioy;

ROYSOPOYLOS: ``H apanthsh gia toys dhmarxoys'', epeidh xrhsimopoihsa th frash se ayth th fash gia na mhn parejhghqei, giati kai egw ws dhmosiografos an akoyga ``se ayth th fash'' mporei na perimena kai mia deyterh fash: Ayth einai h asfalistikh metarryqmish. Den yparxei kati allo to opoio na anamenei kapoios. Ayth th metarryqmish th qewroyme poly shmantikh kai gia toys dioikhtikoys kai toys oikonomikoys logoys biwsimothtas kai asfalistikoys poy genikotera sas anelysa. Ara, den exw na pw kati perissotero. Se o,ti afora omws th diadikasia sth Boylh: Einai bebaio oti sth Boylh -kai sthn Epitroph kai thn Olomeleia- antallassontai apoceis, katatiqentai protaseis. Ean yparxei kati, to opoio qewrhsoyme oti kata laqos den perielhfqh h einai dikaio kai prepei na perilhfqei, na eiste bebaioi oti h kybernhsh qa exei anoikta ta aytia ths, prokeimenoy na kanei ayto poy prepei.

KAKALHS: Jerete poly kala oti toys diakoptes den toys katebazoyn oi ergazomenoi. Toys katebazei h dioikhsh ths DEH kai h (den akoygetai), me bash tis anagkes poy yparxoyn kai ayth to kaqorizei. Mhpws telika h kybernhsh einai ayth poy xrhsimopoiei tis diakopes toy reymatos gia na strecei thn koinh gnwmh enantia stoys apergoys;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Epeidh qa htan kalo na gnwrizoyme kai oi dyo poly kala -kai oxi monon egw opws eipate- qa sas dwsw kai merika stoixeia: Ayth th stigmh einai ektos leitoyrgias 19 ergostasia. Ta 3 gia logoys synthrhshs kai ta 16 giati oi ergazomenoi apofasisan na mhn leitoyrghsoyn. Ara loipon, antilambanetai kapoios oti h diaxeirish h opoia ginetai, giati profanws sygxeete to qema ths diaxeirishs dianomhs toy reymatos...

KAKALHS: ... kai yparxei sto (den akoygetai). Ayto einai to qema.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den yparxei eparkeia. Ayth th stigmh exoyme peripoy 4.900 MV ta opoia mas leipoyn. Dhladh to 40% ths energeias poy exei anagkh h xwra kaqhmerinws leipei ej aitias toy gegonotos poy anefera prohgoymenws. H diaxeirish ginetai etsi wste na mhn briskontai perioxes gia para polles wres xwris reyma. Dhladh, afoy mas leipei to 40% ths energeias, h dianomh ginetai me tropo wste na yparxoyn diakopes dyo, triwn, pente wrwn se mia perioxh. Na akoloyqei mia deyterh perioxh k.o.k.

KORAH: Kyrie Ypoyrge, praktika h asfalistikh metarryqmish pote qa efarmostei; Exei balei h kybernhsh ena xronodiagramma. Dhladh, pote qa arxisei na efarmozetai sthn prajh; Pote qa ``jhlwqoyn'' ta dioikhtika symboylia twn 133 poy eginan 13; Pote qa to aisqanqoyn ayto oi asfalismenoi;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa moy epitrecete na kanw dyo parathrhseis sthn erwthsh sas, jekinwntas apo to rhma ``qa jhlwqoyn'' poy xrhsimopoihsate, to opoio bebaiws einai ena rhma me poly arnhtikh fortish. Fantazomai eisaste eseis h idia kai polloi alloi dhmosiografoi poy me rwtoysate ``giati den prosexete poioys bazete sta Tameia'' -etsi den einai- gia na qymomaste kai ligo to parelqon ayths ths istorias. Dioti exoyme enan poly megalo ariqmo Tameiwn -ta 155 synolika einai poly megalos ariqmos- ta 133 poy ginontai 13 einai mia poly megalh ejelijh. To 2007 -opws qymaste- ferame ena nomo sth Boylh me aformh thn gnwsth ypoqesh tote twn omologwn kai ths diaxeirishs poy egine apo orismena Tameia, etsi wste h Epitroph Kefalaiagoras kai h Trapeza ths Ellados na elegxoyn, na ejetazoyn proswpa ta opoia bazoyn ypochfiothta gia na ginoyn dioikhtes twn Tameiwn aytwn. Diathroyme ayth th ryqmish, poy th qewroyme rizospastikh gia ton tropo poy leitoyrgei to Dhmosio. Giati mexri twra sto Dhmosio, ayto poy eixame synhqisei einai oti mia kybernhsh diorizei, enw emeis exoyme balei mesa dyo anejarthtoys organismoys, thn Epitroph Kefalaiagoras kai thn Trapeza ths Elladas na elegxoyn tis ikanothtes, ta prosonta toys. Kai thn enisxyoyme akoma perissotero me to na doqei h dynatothta se ola ta politika kommata na exoyn eikona kai gnwmh gia to proswpo sto opoio exei katalhjei ayth h Epitroph me th diadikasia toy 49 A. Dhladh na pernoyn apo thn akroash ths armodias epitrophs. Ayto einai mia diadikasia poy xreiazetai kapoio xrono. Qa chfistei o nomos kai qa arxisei na efarmozetai amesws. Yparxoyn, bebaiws, pronoies toy nomoy, opws sas eipa, poy qa arxisoyn to 2009, to 2013 k.o.k . An me rwtate na sas pw se ena mhna h se dyo, qa sas pw oti me thn efarmogh toy nomoy kai th dhmosieysh toy sto FEK, qa arxisei na efarmozetai o nomos.

TROYPIWTHS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, na epistrecw sto qema toy reymatos. Synexizoyme thn agora reymatos apo alles xwres; Kai an ejetazoyme thn dynatothta na paroyme perissotero reyma na kalycoyme tis anagkes kai an eiste proxeiros poso plhrwnoyme thn hmera gia to eisagomeno reyma;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den exw, dystyxws kamia apanthsh sta tria erwthmata poy qesate. Qa zhthsw enhmerwsh apo ton k. Fwlia kai qa sas pw.

N.PAPADHMHTRIOY : An jerete na mas peite ti problepei to nomosxedio gia toys mhxanikoys. Kai ena deytero erwthma: Giati h k. Petralia katarxas eixe mia dystokia sto na dwsei stoys synadelfoys toy ergatikoy reportaz to nomosxedio; Etsi antilambanetai to ypoyrgeio thn enhmerwsh twn Ellhnwn politwn;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Se o,ti afora to prwto skelos ths erwthsh sas, exw dwsei mia apanthsh poy afora kai to TSMEDE. Qa meinw se ayth, den exw na prosqesw kati perissotero. Qa mpoyn se ayto to neo Tameio mazi me toys nomikoys. Se o,ti afora to deytero skelos, omws, epitrecte moy na sas pw ta pragmatika gegonota poy den mporoyn na amfisbhthqoyn. To nomosxedio exei 353 selides. H k. Petralia eixe frontisei na yparxei ayto to keimeno poy blepete, to opoio einai arketa megalo se megeqos, 122 selides, wste na moirastei stoys dhmosiografoys h analytikh enhmerwsh h opoia, opws qa diapistwsei kapoios, einai para poly katanohth kai aplh. Ayto einai to keimeno to opoio moirasthke stoys dhmosiografoys. Epishs, doqhke stoys dhmosiografoys -kai epiteloys ston 21o aiwna briskomaste- cd poy periexei olo to nomosxedio. Ayto shmainei oti o dhmosiografos eixe thn eykairia na akoysei thn paroysiash na kanei tis erwthseis me bash ta stoixeia ths paroysiashs. Kai en synexeia h thn idia wra na diabasei ayto poy einai analytiko kai olo to nomosxedio sto grafeio toy. H synenteyjh egine to prwi. Den ginetai synenteyjh stis 22:00 gia na mhn exei to xrono o dhmosiografos. Exw kanei polles synenteyjeis kai exw moirasei cd kai oxi keimena. Nomizw oti einai kati to opoio qeloyn oloi oi dhmosiografoi. Einai poly pio eykolo na to exete ston hlektroniko sas ypologisth kai na xrhsimopoihsete apospasmata toy. Ara, loipon, h pronoia na doqoyn ola ayta ta stoixeia, yphrje apo to ypoyrgeio, dhladh, h megalyterh dynatothta. Bebaiws apo th stigmh poy zhthqhke apo toys dhmosiografoys, bghkan fwtotypies se panw apo 50 antigrafa twn 353 selidwn, dhladh kapoies xiliades an oxi dekades xiliades selides, prokeimenoy na moirastei kai sth diarkeia ths synenteyjhs Typoy.

PEPONHS: Ws pros th xrhmatodothsh toy systhmatos apo to kratos, blepete kapoies allages;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Kat` arxas, to kratos einai eggyhths kai ayto einai kati to opoio problepetai me ton kalytero dynato tropo. Allwste, yparxei kai sto Syntagma mas pronoia. Leptomereies gia th xrhmatodothsh, den eimai se qesh na sas dwsw. An qelete kati pio eidiko, me poly xara na rwthsw kai na sas apanthsw ayrio.

ROYMELIWTHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, h kybernhsh exei na kanei kapoio sxolio gia ta xqesina syllalhthria kai thn paroysia toy nomarxh Qessalonikhs;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi, kanena sxolio.

N.PAPADHMHTRIOY: Apla, hqela na pw oti to na mhn exei o synadelfos ekeinh th stigmh to nomosxedio sta xeria toy, oysiastika toy sterei ta dikaiwma na entopisei ena shmeio poy ton endiaferei kai na kanei ena erwthma ep aytoy.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den amfisbhtw thn ikanothta kanenos na diabasei 353 selides sth diarkeia mias synenteyjhs, mias h miamishs wras. Eilikrina den qa amfisbhthsw kaqoloy th dynatothta. Qa symfwnhsete, omws, mazi moy oti briskomaste ston 21o aiwna. Den einai oi arxes ths dekaetias toy  80 opoy qymamai oti to na exei kapoios hlektroniko ypologisth sto grafeio toy eqewreito megalh epanastash. Twra exoyme mia nea texnologia. Oloi oi dhmosiografoi poly grhgora eixan sta xeria toys to nomosxedio se hlektronikh morfh, opws allwste oloi ergazeste, gia na kanete pio grhgora th doyleia sas. En pash periptwsei, nomizw oti einai hssonos shmasias qema. Den dhmioyrghqhke apo kanenos eidoys skopimothta. Ayto einai safes. Amesws me thn kataqesh sth Boylh, eixe kanonisei h k. Petralia anti na kaqysterhsei 4-5 wres th synenteyjh, afoy exei katateqei sth Boylh kai sth synexeia bgoyn oi fwtotypies k.l.p., na doqei ayto to yliko.

KAKALHS: Afoy o SEB espeyse na xairethsei thn asfalistikh metarryqmish ths kybernhshs, malista zhtwntas amesh efarmogh, poioi einai aytoi oi ligoi kai pronomioyxoi poy leitoyrgoyn (den akoygetai) katesthmeno kai antidroyn. Poioys ennoei o Prwqypoyrgos;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Epeidh m aresei na paramenw stis basikes arxes -an oxi stis idies diatypwseis, pantws stis idies apoceis- qa sas qymisw oti den sxoliasa dhlwseis toy SEB otan estrefeto enantion ths kybernhshs kai malista oxi se ena h dyo, alla se para polla qemata. Sebomaste oloys toys foreis. Den prokeitai na sas kanw kanena sxolio.

FANIDHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, eixame apergia sth DEH kai to systhma paraligo na odhghqei se blackout. Eixame apergia sth Trapeza ths Elladas kai to Xrhmatisthrio teqhke nokaoyt. Kata th gnwmh sas, yparxoyn eyqynes twn dioikhsewn, ths DEH, ths Trapezas ths Elladas, toy Xrhmatisthrioy ths Aqhnas;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den qa prosqesw kati perissotero. Gia to deytero qema, ayto ths DEH, eipa shmera orismena pragmata. Gia to allo qema o anaplhrwths moy k. Antwnaros edwse xqes apanthsh. Epishs topoqethqhke kai o k. Alogoskoyfhs.

PALAIOLOGOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, qa to qesw wma. Se sxesh me th ryqmish poy afora tis mhteres me anhlika tekna, den jerw kata poso einai dikaia h oxi, den eimai eidikos gia na apofanqw, wstoso omws exoyn ekfrastei orismena kybernhtika stelexh, den jerw an einai dhmosia toylaxiston kat idian, oti einai mia ryqmish h opoia qa exei shmantikes politikes epiptwseis. Egw afhnw th ryqmish ayth kaq ayth oti dhladh me alla logia h kybernhsh qa xasei ena megalo kommati, arketa shmantiko kommati chfoforwn poy proerxontai apo tis gynaikes, kyriws apo aytes tis hlikies. Qewreite oti h ryqmish me thn anaplhrwsh gia to deytero ejamhno toy misqoy me to 675 eyrw oti qa mporesei na isostaqmisei kai na isofarisei olh ayth th xasoyra, to lew xondrika apo to gegonos oti ayth h ryqmish aggizei ena megalo kommati plhqysmoy;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Nomizw oti sygxeete diaforetikes ryqmiseis. Epitrecte moy na sas pw, loipon, dyo parathrhseis. Prwton, se o,ti afora tis gynaikes poy fernoyn ston kosmo mia nea zwh: H pronoia einai na toys doqei epipleon h dynatoths na meinoyn gia eji mhnes se adeia kai na plhrwnontai ayth thn periodo. Na plhrwnontai me to poso poy sas eipa, dhladh me to basiko misqo. Mia gynaika h opoia menei egkyos shmera, gnwrizete oti mporei na meinei sto spiti ths dyo mhnes prin kai dyo mhnes meta th gennhsh. Ayto, loipon, to tetramhno ginetai amesws- amesws dekamhno apo th stigmh poy h nomoqetikh ryqmish problepei alloys eji mhnes na einai sto spiti kai na plhrwnetai to basiko misqo. Nomizw oti einai para poly shmantiko gia mia mhtera, dhladh to na mporei na einai sto spiti kai na pairnei to basiko ths misqo. Milame gia ton idiwtiko tomea. Na mh sygxeoyme ta toy Dhmosioy me ton idiwtiko tomea. Deyteron, h dynatothta ths mhteras me anhliko tekno na bgei sth syntajh shmera sto 50o etos ths hlikias ths einai dynatothta poy ths sterei to na parei thn plhrh syntajh. Kai antilambanetai kapoios oti to na exeis thn plhrh syntajh gia ta ypoloipa xronia ths zwhs soy einai shmantiko stoixeio sthn kaqhmerinothta soy, sth oikonomikh soy epibiwsh. Didetai loipon h dynatothta na ftasoyme sto 55o etos -se hlikies poly xamhloteres apo ta genika oria- gia na mporei h mhtera na parei oloklhrh th syntajh. Einai dyo ryqmiseis poy eimai bebaios oti qa bohqhsoyn tis nees mhteres, tis mhteres poy exoyn anhlika tekna.

PEPONHS: An katalaba kala, sto xwro twn MME dhmioyrgeitai ena Tameio ston tomea ths kyrias syntajhs. Ston tomea ths epikoyrikhs kai ths periqalchs allazei kati;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sthn periqalch den allazei tipota. Den eimai proetoimasmenos na sas pw gia thn epikoyrikh, den nomizw omws oti allazei kati. Sthn periqalch, ston EDOEAP dhladh opws ton exoyme synhqisei oloi, den allazei kati. Allwste einai diatypwmenh h qesh ths kybernhshs apo thn prwth stigmh sth Boylh, apo tote poy eixe anaferqei sto qema o k. Magginas.

KAKALHS: Gia na ftiajei h kybernhsh ayton ton koympara ``Allhleggyhs Genewn'' pairnei esoda apo apokratikopoihseis, apo emmesoys foroys, pairnei kai to 10% twn Tameiwn poy exoyn koinwnikoys poroys. Ayth h ``Allhleggyh Genewn'' den afora toys epixeirhmaties; Mono to 2007 yphrxan 11 dis eyrw kerdh apo tis eishgmenes epixeirhseis sto Xrhmatisthrio. Apo ekei den mporei na parei to 10% kai na kalycei to problhma h oi metarryqmiseis einai gia na wfeloyntai mono oi epixeirhseis;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Se o,ti afora ayto to Tameio poy ginetai -ton koympara, opws ton onomasame- einai mia, kata th gnwmh mas, rizospastikh idea poy qa apodwsei se baqos xronoy. Apodeiknyei panw ap ola thn ypeyqynothta me thn opoia antimetwpizei h kybernhsh to qema, dioti den endiaferetai gia to shmera, giati allwste ayth h metarryqmish den ginetai gia to shmera, ginetai gia to ayrio. Se o,ti afora to deytero skelos ths erwthshs sas: Gnwrizete poly kala oti h xrhmatodothsh, analoga me to poy ergazetai kapoios einai trimerhs. Yparxei, dhladh, xrhmatodothsh toy kratoys, xrhmatodothsh toy ergazomenoy kai xrhmatodothsh toy ergodoth. H megalh prospaqeia poy kanei ayto to nomosxedio kai ayth h kybernhsh einai na patajei thn eisforodiafygh. Ayth h prospaqeia efoson apodwsei -kai qelw na eimaste aisiodojoi oti qa apodwsei- qa dhmioyrghsei alles synqhkes. Dioti h eisforodiafygh einai terastia plhgh sto ellhniko systhma koinwnikhs asfalishs kai nomizw oti to katanooyme oloi. Opws einai kai h ``mayrh ergasia'', opws einai kai mia seira apo symparomartoynta. Texnikes ryqmiseis: Akoygetai texnikos o enas ariqmos, aytos o ariqmos poy onomasame AMKA (monadikos ariqmos asfalismenoy). Alla, einai bebaio oti qa leitoyrghsei yper toy asfalismenoy. Qa einai poly pio eykolh h diakribwsh twn stoixeiwn toy kaqe asfalismenoy, qa einai poly pio eykolo na diakribwseis poioi jefeygoyn apo ena systhma sto opoio oi polloi einai kaloplhrwtes. Dhladh, plhrwnoyn ayta poy ofeiloyn gia na dhmioyrghsoyn tis proypoqeseis wste otan bgoyn sth syntajh, na exoyn thn antapodosh, na paroyn pisw ta xrhmata toys kai na zhsoyn mia kalh zwh sth syntajh kai poioi den plhrwnoyn kai prospaqoyn na jefygoyn.

KAKALHS: Egw allo rwthsa, oti plhrwnoyn oi asfalismenoi gia to systhma koinwnikhs asfalishs jana kai jana, alla oi epixeirhmaties plhrwnoyn mia fora kai ayto meiwmena.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oi apokratikopoihseis, oi metoxopoihseis ginontai apo to dhmosio pros to idiwtiko kefalaio. To idiwtiko kefalaio katabalei xrhmata gia na agorasei meros twn epixeirhsewn. Apo ayto to kefalaio loipon, ena pososto, qa phgainei se ayto to Tameio poy eipame.

N. PAPADHMHTRIOY: Kyrie Ypoyrge, h ajiopoihsh toy 4% toy FPA ston koympara ths asfalistikhs metarryqmishs synista enan kalo epipleon logo gia ayjhsh toy sygkekrimenoy foroy;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exei ginei h erwthsh polles fores. Kai malista oxi aplws erwthsh, alla me bebaiothta, grafthkan para polla dhmosieymata kai prwtoselida k.t.l. apo ton Septembrio, amesws meta tis ekloges. Exei eipwqei polles fores sth Boylh k.t.l. H apanthsh, nomizw, oti exei doqei sth prajh. Den xreiazetai na pw kati perissotero.

PALAIOLOGOS: Den jerw an exei teleiwsei to asfalistiko qema, bebaiws den teleiwnei, alla mias kai eimaste edw ws politikoi syntaktes, hqela na rwthsw to ejhs: An qewrei h kybernhsh orismenes anafores poy eginan xqes sth diarkeia twn syllalhthriwn, eite sto syllalhthrio toy LAOS me ton k. Karatzaferh, eite se ayto me ton k. Zoyrari, ws dixastikes anafores.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Kanena sxolio.

KANELLOPOYLOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, se ayto to opoio gnwrizame h mallon ayto to opoio eixe anakoinwqei gia th xrhmatodothsh toy IKA me to 1% toy AEP, isxyei;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den allazei tipote. Ayto einai kati to opoio eixe apofasistei -an den me apata h mnhmh moy, giati opws eipame einai poly synqeto to qema kai ligoi to gnwrizoyn poly kala- apo th ryqmish poy ekane o tote ypoyrgos k. Reppas. Dystyxws den eixe doqei to poso to opoio eprepe na doqei sth diarkeia twn etwn. Egine prospaqeia ep ayths ths kybernhsews kai fqasame sto 1% kai synexizei gia oso problepetai apo th ryqmish ayth.

KAKALHS: Pws apanta h kybernhsh sth dhlwsh toy Tseberkofski, oti to beto synista parabiash ths endiameshs symfwnias;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den qa kanw kamia dhlwsh gia ayto to qema. Oloklhrwqhke prin apo ligh wra h synedriash twn ypoyrgwn Ejwterikwn. H ka Mpakogiannh -an oxi ayth thn wra poy milame, pantws ta epomena 10-15 lepta to argotero- qa dwsei synenteyjh Typoy stoys dhmosiografoys poy briskontai ekei kai qa topoqethqei.

N. PAPADHMHTRIOY: Kyrie Ypoyrge, to prwi o k. Qeodwros Pagkalos, se dhlwseis toy sto radiofwniko staqmo FLASH, xarakthrise ton k. Karamanlh ``Lazopoylo ths politikhs'', me alla logia oti o Prwqypoyrgos einai, opws eipe to stelexos toy PASOK, sooyman kai enas kalos hqopoios. Ti apantate;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Kalo meshmeri.

Sas eyxaristw.

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