Greek Government Press Briefing, 08-02-28

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Tmhma Dhmosiografikwn Kalycewn

Pempth, 28 Febroyarioy 2008

Ariqmos Deltioy: 123330591

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YPOYRGOS EPIKRATEIAS

Aqhna, 28 Febroyarioy 2008

Xairete.

O Prwqypoyrgos k. Kwstas Karamanlhs qa synanthqei, ayrio stis 08.45, sto Megaro Majimoy, me toys Proedroys ths Eyrwmesogeiakhs Diakoinoboyleytikhs Syneleyshs. Sth synanthsh qa parabreqoyn o Proedros ths Boylhs twn Ellhnwn k. Dhmhtrhs Sioyfas, toy Eyrwpaikoy Koinoboylioy k. Xans Gkert Peteringk kai o Proedros twn Antiproswpwn ths Tynhsias k. Xoyan Mepatza. Stis 10.30, o Prwqypoyrgos qa apanthsei se erwthseis sth Boylh, sthn wra toy Prwqypoyrgoy, tis opoies exoyn kataqesei oi tesseris arxhgoi twn kommatwn ths antipoliteyshs.

Parakalw tis erwthseis sas.

FANIDHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, me aformh thn eklogh neoy arxhgoy sthn Ellhnikh Astynomia, o basikos mnhsthras gia th qesh ayth, antistrathgos Ashmakhs Gkoyrths, yposthrije oti yparxei anajiokratia, ``paragka'' twn stelexwn sto YPES. Malista, isxyristhke pws h apofash ayth eixe lhfqei dyo hmeres nwritera apo th synedriash toy KYSEA kai an kapoios toy katalogisei oti ta eipe ayta apo pikria, kati paromoio eipe kai to (den akoygetai).

ROYSOPOYLOS: Hjera oti eixe mnhsthres h Phneloph, alla oxi kai h qesh toy arxhgoy ths EL.AS.. En pash periptwsei, den qa kanw kanena sxolio.

GKATSIOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, yparxei kapoio sxolio ths kybernhshs gia to xqesino syllalhthrio sta Skopia kai ta epeisodia ejw apo to ktirio poy stegazetai h ellhnikh diplwmatikh yphresia;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Isxyei ayto poy eixa pei prin apo mia ebdomada: Tetoies energeies den bohqoyn se kamia periptwsh sth dyskolh diapragmateytikh diadikasia poy exoyme mprosta mas.

ROYMELIWTHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, yparxei mhnyma, aithma h estw proseggish apo amerikanikhs pleyras gia na yparjei sto ameso mellon synanthsh toy Ellhna Prwqypoyrgoy me to Skopiano omologo toy;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi, kanena tetoio mhnyma den yparxei, oyte aithma, oyte kan protroph. Ekeino to opoio gnwrizoyme oloi mas einai oti h syzhthsh ginetai sto plaisio toy OHE, ypo ton k. Nimits kai me th symmetoxh twn dyo diapragmateytwn, oi opoioi, bebaiws, toylaxiston o Ellhnas, einai se diarkh epafh me thn Ypoyrgo Ejwterikwn.

GKOYTZANHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, nomizw oti kykloforei sto Internet ena antitypo xartonomismatos twn Skopiwn poy exei epanw kai to Leyko Pyrgo ths Qessalonikhs. Me aytes tis proypoqeseis, ti blepete;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exoyn kykloforhsei diafora kata kairoys  kai oxi mono sto Internet- opws ayto poy anaferate, oloi ta exoyme dei. Nomizw oti h apanthsh poy edwsa nwritera kai afora kai to syllalhthrio ejw apo th diplwmatikh mas antiproswpeia, kalyptei kai ayto to qema.

PALAIOLOGOS: Kyrie Ypoyrge, h k. Mpakogiannh, prosfatws, gia to qema toy periexomenoy twn protasewn Nimits, eipe oti yparxoyn ``kokkines grammes''. Den qa ypeiselqw se ayto. Egw qa rwthsw, an yparxoyn ``kokkines grammes'' sthn kybernhsh, se sxesh me th stash twn dikwn ths boyleytwn gia ta syllalhthria.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Apanthsa xqes gia ta syllalhthria kai nomizw oti pio jekaqara den ginetai na pw kati allo.

PALAIOLOGOS: Ara, h ``kokkinh grammh'', poia qa einai; Apanthsate xqes, ontws, epeidh omws egw mporw na dwsw synexeia sthn erwthsh. Gia paradeigma, boyleytes, toys exete apotrecei na pane. O Nomarxhs Qessalonikhs h o Dhmarxos Qessalonikhs, mporoyn na pane, exoyn to dikaiwma na pane;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Edwsa mia apanthsh xqes. Ama synexisw na apantw, dinontas otidhpote perissotero, qa arxisete me mia lista onomatwn, sta opoia qa prepei na klhqw na apanthsw. Den to kanw.

PALAIOLOGOS: Apanthsate gia toys boyleytes. Egw omws apantw gia sygkekrimena, gia kapoia proswpa.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Eimai edw na apantw gia thn kybernhsh

TSIOYFOS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, shmera yparxei ena dhmosieyma sthn ``ELEYQEROTYPIA'', poy anaferetai se kapoioys elegxoys poy ginontai apo thn Yphresia Eidikwn Elegxwn se kapoia Mesa Enhmerwshs. Kai to dhmosieyma, sas ferei na exete mia synanthsh me stelexos enos thleoptikoy kanalioy, sto opoio feretai oti egine elegxos kai to erwthma einai: Ontws yphrje tetoia synanthsh dikh sas, katarxhn, kai se ti aposkopoyn aytoi oi elegxoi;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qa xwrisw thn erwthsh sas se dyo skelh...

TSIOYFOS: Profanws.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Sto men skelos poy afora thn opoiadhpote ereyna: Gi` ayta yparxei eidikh yphresia, h Yphresia Eidikwn Elegxwn, dhladh, to prwhn SDOE poy ypagetai sto Ypoyrgeio Oikonomias kai Oikonomikwn. Se o,ti afora to deytero, an anatrejoyme sto hmerologio moy, einai bebaio oti qa broyme synanthseis, oxi mono me stelexh staqmwn, me dhmosiografoys efhmeridwn, periodikwn, radiofwnwn. Kaqhmerines de, sxedon 7,5 xronia, kai otan hmoyn ekproswpos Typoy sthn antipoliteysh h Kybernhtikos Ekproswpos ta teleytaia tessera xronia.

GKOYTZANHS: Exete dei to dhmosieyma, ypoqetw. To exw mprosta moy. Leei kai sygkekrimena pragmata gia to ti aforoyse ayth h synanthsh sas me to dieyqyntiko stelexos toy kanalioy. Epibebaiwnontai h oxi;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Epanalambanw oti xwrisa to qema se dyo skelh. Sto men prwto, den exw na pw tipote, kaqoson anaferetai se mia yphresia, thn Yphresia Eidikwn Elegxwn, apo thn opoia o,ti einai na ginei, ginetai me toys tropoys aytoys poy problepei to Syntagma mas kai oi nomoi mas. Kata synepeia, den prokeitai na mpw sth diadikasia. To gegonos oti mporei na ginetai elegxos poy afora ta Mesa Enhmerwshs, den shmainei oti ginetai me th symmetoxh toy armodioy ypoyrgoy, en prokeimenw toy Ypoyrgoy Epikrateias. Xwrizoyme, loipon, to erwthma se dyo qemata. Sto deytero skelos sas apanthsa oti synantw kaqhmerinws kai dhmosiografoys kai ekdotes kai stelexh staqmwn...

GKOYTZANHS: H doyleia sas einai. Den qeloyme na thn enoxopoihsoyme. Apla, edw leei oti sas efere kai ta timologia kai h entypwsh poy dhmioyrgeitai einai oti anti na paei sthn YPEE, giati ta efere se esas;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den diabasa to sygkekrimeno. Alla, an leei kati tetoio, diaceydetai kathgorhmatika. Den mpainw se aytes tis diadikasies, apo thn qesh poy eimai.

MPOTSARAKOS: Yparxoyn apo arketa stelexh ths kybernhshs kai apo ypoyrgoys, paraineseis gia na prowqhqoyn oi metarryqmiseis. Opws, gia paradeigma, to Asfalistiko h opws gia paradeigma, oi paraxwrhseis sta limania. Kai eidika gia to teleytaio, epeidh blepoyme oti yparxoyn entones antidraseis, kapoioi miloyn gia metarryqmish sta xartia. Oti dhladh, den yparxei to apaitoymeno ependytiko endiaferon.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Gia to qema twn limaniwn, qymamai oti prin apo liges hmeres, o k. Boylgarakhs synanthqhke me ton Prwqypoyrgo kai ekane dhlwseis, ejerxomenos toy Megaroy Majimoy. To bebaio einai oti exei jekinhsei h prokhryjh. H prokhryjh jekinhse peri ta mesa Ianoyarioy. Symfwna me ta eyrwpaika nomima, mia dieqnhs prokhryjh xreiazetai 52 hmeres. Proxwraei. Yparxei, ap` o,ti gnwrizw -meta th synanthsh eixa milhsei me ton k. Boylgarakh- megalo dieqnes endiaferon. O k. Boylgarakhs malista brisketai aytes tis hmeres -kai shmera nomizw- sto Londino, prokeimenoy na synanthsei kai polloys Ellhnes efoplistes, etsi wste na proselkystoyn kai Ellhnes efoplistes na elqoyn, me tis naytiliakes toys epixeirhseis, sthn Ellada, ston Peiraia eidikotera. Proxwraei. Aplws, orismena qemata, epeidh xreiazontai perissotero xrono, mporei na dhmioyrgoyn kapoioy eidoys entypwsh, san ayth poy perigrafei to prwto skelos ths erwthshs sas.

KORAH: Kyrie Ekproswpe, yparxei kapoios programmatismos gia to nomosxedio toy Asfalistikoy; Endexomenws, na syzhthqei sthn Kybernhtikh ths epomenhs ebdomadas;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den exw kati na anakoinwsw akomh. Qa sas to pw, omws, otan apofasistei. Opws jerete, allwste, mia hmera nwritera anakoinwnetai to qema poy syzhtoyme stis Kybernhtikes Epitropes.

KAKALHS: Polles fores exete pei san kybernhsh, mallon staqera lete, oti gnwmonas ths xarajhs ths politikhs ths kybernhshs gia ta Balkania einai h staqerothta ths politikhs. Apo amerikanikhs pleyras, wstoso, legetai oti to beto den dieykolynei th staqerothta sthn perioxh. Pws apanta se ayto h kybernhsh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Emeis qeloyme na breqei mia lysh sto qema twn Skopiwn -giati gi` ayto syzhtame gia beto- h opoia na einai amoibaia apodekth. H ellhnikh pleyra, opws eixan thn eykairia na poyn polles fores o Prwqypoyrgos kai h ypoyrgos Ejwterikwn otan rwthqhke kai sth Boylh kai alloy, wstoso den apempolei kanena apo ta dikaiwmata ths poy aryontai apo dieqneis Synqhkes.

KAKALHS: Ektimate oti epideinwnetai h qesh ths ellhnikhs pleyras meta to oxi poy epanelabe, xqes, o Solana sto beto kai to chfisma ths omadas ths Eyrwboylhs poy leei oti to onoma se kamia periptwsh den mporei na apotelesei empodio gia thn entajh ths FYROM stoys dieqneis organismoys;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Se o,ti afora to deytero skelos ths erwthshs sas, gnwrizete oti exoyn chfisei toylaxiston oi eyrwboyleytes ths Neas Dhmokratias. Se o,ti afora to prwto skelos, aplws qa epanalabw ayto poy sas eipa sthn arxh: Mia xwra, me bash ta dieqnh nomima, exei dikaiwmata kai ypoxrewseis. Emeis, loipon, opws eimaste entajei stis ypoxrewseis mas, ean xreiastei askoyme, opoy xreiastei kai opote xreiastei, ta dikaiwmata mas.

GKOYTZANHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, den qelw na sas rwthsw an qa balete beto h oxi, einai sth diapragmateysh poy kanei h kybernhsh. Kati diadikastiko: Pote qa jekaqaristei ayto; Qa jekaqaristei sth Synodo twn ypoyrgwn Ejwterikwn toy NATO h argotera sth Synodo Koryfhs toy NATO;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Paroti einai arketa endiaferon to erwthma kai to qema, nomizw oti kaneis den mporei na to apanthsei. Dhladh, gnwrizoyme oti ayrio qa ginei h synanthsh twn diapragmateytwn me ton k. Nimits. Emeis apo thn pleyra mas eimaste etoimoi me tis dikes mas protaseis, tis dikes mas parathrhseis epi ths protasews poy kateqese. Den gnwrizoyme ti akribws proteinei h allh pleyra. En pash periptwsei, einai eikotologia na pw an qa einai etoimh h lysh prin h meta apo th Synodo twn ypoyrgwn Ejwterikwn, giati ayth th stigmh den exoyme mprosta mas para to topio poy oloi gnwrizoyme. Dhladh, den prokeitai gia diadikastikes ypoqeseis poy menoyn na lyqoyn. H oysia toy problhmatos akoma den exei apanthqei.

GKOYTZANHS: Akomh kai ayto, lete, oti endexetai na trabhjei to qema kai na fqasei mexri th Synodo Koryfhs.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Emeis pantws sth logikh mas exoyme -kai ayto fanhke- thn ejeyresh lyshs se ena qema to opoio xronizei, yparxei sxedon 17 xronia.

MPOTSARAKOS: Epi toy idioy hqela na rwthsw to ejhs: An otan erqei h wra ths Synodoy twn ypoyrgwn den exei yparjei kapoia symfwnia, tote emeis ws Ellada qa symfwnhsoyme na apeyqynqei prosklhsh sta Skopia;

ROYSOPOYLOS: O Prwqypoyrgos exei dwsei apanthsh me mia frash thn perasmenh Paraskeyh sth Boylh.

KORAH: Kyrie Ypoyrge, h mesh anazhthsh mias lyshs apaitei na proselqoyn kai ta dyo merh sth mesh toy dromoy, opws eipe kai o Prwqypoyrgos h kalese, toylaxiston, ta Skopia na kanoyn th mish diadromh. Ayto pws mporoyme na to ermhneysoyme; Emeis ws ellhnikh kybernhsh o,ti ypoxwrhseis htan na kanoyme tis exoyme kanei kai den syzhtame pleon alles h h anazhthsh ths meshs toy dromoy afora kai th dikh mas thn pleyra;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Exoyme mia protash thn opoia gnwrizoyme oloi pia apo th stigmh poy dhmosiopoihqhke. Den exoyme oristikh protash. To problhma, to qema, h diafora einai to onoma. Ekei yparxoyn pente protaseis. H ellhnikh pleyra qa proselqei me tis dikes ths qeseis. Kata synepeia, qa perimenoyme na akoysoyme kai tis qeseis ths allhs pleyras kai na synexistei h diapragmateysh. Den nomizw oti mporw na apanthsw diaforetika sto erwthma sas.

N. PAPADHMHTRIOY: Se synexeia toy erwthmatos toy k. Kakalh. Dhladh, mas lete oti h kybernhsh den anhsyxei, den problhmatizetai apo tis energeies twn paradosiakwn symmaxwn ths;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Qelw na eiste bebaios oti an kati qelw na sas pw, qa sas to pw eyqews. Kai nomizw oti ayto to apodeiknyei kai h polyeths paroysia moy se ayth th qesh. Pote den einai kati poy ypainissomai otan apantw. Pantote apantw me eyqythta. Ara, loipon, ayto poy hqela na sas pw, sas to eipa hdh.

KAKALHS: Eyqews, loipon, mporeite na mas peite poia einai h qesh ths kybernhshs sta aithmata poy ebale xqes o Amerikanos Presbhs na anagnwrisei amesa h kybernhsh to Kosobo kai na steilei strato epipleon sto Afganistan;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Apanthse o Prwqypoyrgos, thn perasmenh Paraskeyh sth Boylh , sthn Wra toy Prwqypoyrgoy.

KORAH: Qa epanelqw sto Asfalistiko. Espeyse h kybernhsh na dhlwsei oti den yparxei sto ameso...

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den einai akoma h wra k. Korah, giati exete tetoio endiaferon;

KORAH: Eyxaristw. Espeyse h kybernhsh na dhlwsei oti den yparxei deyterh fash Asfalistikoy. Ayto ti shmainei; Qewreite oti lysate to Asfalistiko; Fobaste to politiko kostos na kanete ena deytero bhma se o,ti afora to Dhmosio kai an qelete kai ta bilaetia ta opoia prostateyoyn oi diaforoi ypoyrgoi sta ypoyrgeia toys h to pio aplo, den yparxei kapoios sxediasmos;

ROYSOPOYLOS: H spoydh thn opoia moy xrewsate, giati profanws anafereste sth dhlwsh moy pro oligwn hmerwn, htan spoydh me aformh...

KORAH: Dyo dhlwseis, na sas qymisw.

ROYSOPOYLOS: ... erwthsh, h opoia htan toy k. Palaiologoy -an qymamai kala- kai elege oti h apanthsh ths prohgoymenhs hmeras htan asafhs kai to paradexqhka ayto. Gi` ayto kai dieykrinisa. Twra, kata ta loipa poy me rwtate, den exw na pw tipote perissotero.

ROYMELIWTHS: Kyrie Ekproswpe, mas eixate pei se sxetikh erwthsh oti o k. Zagoriths epikoinwnhse mazi sas kai sas eixe pei oti qa dieykrinistei gia to poios boyleyths miloyse oti einai se ysteria. Me ton k. Manwlh epikoinwnhsate gia na sas pei poioi einai se afasia;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Oxi.

N. PAPADHMHTRIOY: Kyrie Ypoyrge, thn allh Tetarth thn idia wra poy o LA.OS diorganwnei to diko toy syllalhthrio ginetai taytoxrona kai mia allh ekdhlwsh apo thn Etairia Makedonikwn Spoydwn sthn opoia omilhths qa einai kai o Mhtropoliths Qessalonikhs k. Anqimos. Ta osa eipate xqes gia to syllalhthrio isxyoyn kai gia ayth thn parallhlh, taytoxronh ekdhlwsh;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Ta ths Ekklhsias, sthn Ekklhsia kai ta ths kybernhshs, sthn kybernhsh. Emena rwthste me gia thn kybernhsh.

N. PAPADHMHTRIOY: Syggnwmh k. Ypoyrge, einai apo thn Etaireia Makedonikwn Spoydwn h ekdhlwsh. Den einai ekklhsiastikh ekdhlwsh.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Giati prepei na apanthsw gia thn Etaireia Makedonikwn Spoydwn;

N. PAPADHMHTRIOY: Qelw na pw, an ekei doyme boyleytes...

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den protiqemai na dwsw allh apanthsh se sxesh me ayta poy eipa xqes.

N. PAPADHMHTRIOY: An tyxon doyme ekei boyleytes...

ROYSOPOYLOS: Me to ``an'' qa janapame sthn eikotologia. Exw apanthsei polles fores. Exete koyrastei na me akoyte na lew to idio pragma.

STAQOPOYLOS: Gia to qema twn blogs qa hqela na sas rwthsw kati. Sth Boylh o elegxos egine apo thn Etairia, apo toys ypeyqynoys plhroforikhs sth Boylh. Giati den zhthqhke h syndromh twn diwktikwn arxwn, ths Asfaleias, ths Astynomias; Qa ginei kati tetoio; Gia na breqei to ixnos. Gi ayto rwtaw.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Yparxei analytikh anakoinwsh, ej oswn gnwrizw, toy Genikoy Grammatea ths Boylhs k. Stefanoy, poy nomizw oti apanta kai sto erwthma to opoio qetete. Me emmeso tropo, alla apanta.

KORAH: Kai egw gia to idio qema twn blogs. O boyleyths ths Neas Dhmokratias k. Karaogloy, dhlwse oti kapoios eswkommatikos toy antipalos twn karfwse sta blogs. Pws sxoliazete to gegonos oti stelexh ths Neas Dhmokratias xrhsimopoioyn epishs ta blogs kai malista gia eswkommatika maxairwmata.

ROYSOPOYLOS: Den gnwrizw th dhlwsh. Den gnwrizw to gegonos. Se kaqe periptwsh, o,ti exoyme pei gia to Internet aytes tis hmeres, isxyei. Kai moy dinete thn eykairia me thn erwthsh ayth na pw oti xairomai idiaiterws poy kai o k. Papandreoy, arxhgos ths Ajiwmatikhs Antipoliteyshs, taytisthke apolytws me tis qeseis ths kybernhshs, oti dhladh, ayto to opoio ofeiloyme oloi na diafylajoyme einai na mhn amayrwqei olh h ypoqesh ayths ths dieqnoys epikoinwnias. Kai ayto exei eipwqei apo thn kybernhsh kai thn prwth kai th deyterh hmera kai xqes kai proxqes. Epishs eipwqhke oti poinika adikhmata einai ekeina ta opoia prepei na profylajoyme na mhn diaprattontai mesw toy diadiktyoy. Akribws ayta ta pragmata, poy exei pei h kybernhsh -an alhqeyei, giati den prokeitai gia dhmosia dhlwsh toy diabasa stis efhmerides oti einai dhlwsh  syzhthsh poy egine se kommatiko organo toy PASOK- einai poy mas xaropoioyn idiaitera, giati ta dyo megala kommata taytizontai apolytws se ayto to qema to opoio afora oloys mas, afora toys neolaioys, afora megalyterhs hlikias anqrwpoys, en pash periptwsei afora mia nea drasthriothta sth zwh mas ta teleytaia xronia.

MPOTSARAKOS: Sas problhmatizei kaqoloy to gegonos oti etsi opws paroysiazetai kai etsi opws ejelissetai ayth h istoria dhmioyrgei ena qolo topio kai gia toys bloggers alla kai gia toys dhmosiografoys; Giati kapoy einai sygkexymenes oi ennoies toy ti einai blogger, eleyqerh ekfrash kai ti einai enallaktikh dhmosiografia;

ROYSOPOYLOS: Thn eleyqerh ekfrash thn orizei to arqro 14 toy Syntagmatos kai thn eleyqeria ths epikoinwnias to arqro 19. Apo kei kai pera, yparxei ypoxrewsh toy kaqenos na ypokeitai stoys nomoys, an milame gia ta MME. Kata ta loipa, gia to diadiktyo, to mono poy yparxei einai ayth h Synqhkh ths Boydapesths, thn opoia opws eipa qa enswmatwsoyme kai h opoia -opws eixa thn eykairia na sas pw kai xqes kai proxqes kai parakalw diabaste kala tis dhlwseis- qa antimetwpisei ta poinika adikhmata.

Sas eyxaristw.

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